EPTDo you actually agree or disagree with any of the conclusions I made on people/reasons for it?
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Do you actually agree or disagree with any of the conclusions I made on people/reasons for it? | ||
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I don't really get the utility of asking "if the people you think are scum are not scum, which of the people that you think are town are scum?" It's an essentially pointless way of thinking, because you're framing your thoughts into something that you don't actually believe to be the case. Plan = carry on lynching mafia, should mafia stop being lynched then regroup and find out what's happened. I wouldn't expect town OR scum Holy to make the kind of post that you referenced, so I read it as "???" rather than townie or suspicious. | ||
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On January 26 2014 03:54 gonzaw wrote: The main point VE, is that you "opting out of play" doesn't make absolutely any sense at all, like marv kindly pointed out before. Yes, I kind of went hard against you back on N1. I understand your frustration and "not really wanting to play" at that point. However, I, and other players, gave you a free ride this whole D2. Nobody (except an early vote by Prome and me) voted you. Nobody even discussed you that much. Look at Wave, who we pressured like fuck and called him stupid and retarded. Look at how he even increased his activity, even after that. THAT is how you are supposed to react to pressure as town. Now look at you, you had 1% pressure on you this whole D2. A D2 where we spent most of the time discussing and arguing with Wave, then discussing Toad, then discussing Foolishness. You weren't discussed at all basically. Tell me, what possible reason is there for you to feel demotivated based on that? Hell, we even started to come around at the thought of Foo being scum, the guy you suspected but felt was "off limits" + Show Spoiler + On January 25 2014 02:32 VisceraEyes wrote: Like, I would contribute, but I've been told that my suspects are off limits so I'm kinda at a loss as to what I even CAN do to prove my innocence. Maybe a story? There are absolutely no reasons for you to ragequit right now: -I got off your back -Nobody is even discussing you -Your suspects are not "off-limits" anymore (except Prome) Yet you did. What does that tell us about you? Red v green. Are these reactions the reactions of two people of the same alignment? "I wouldn't do this as scum" - you were in a dreadful position N1 and atm you don't even have the most votes. Looks like a decent plan to me. Mafia just lost a member already day 1 and it made a whole bunch of people look good in the process, I'd be demotivated as fuck as mafia as well. Much easier than trying to actually fight the lynches, play the demotivated card, because, well, being mafia is probably pretty demotivating right now. | ||
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VE you keep talking about how the only thing to do is find mafia, but you keep repeating that like a mantra, and what you've actually done this passage is nothing of the sort, rather you've whimsically thrown your votes around based on incorrect NK wifom. If that's your one goal then... yeah. It just doesn't feel like that's your one goal tbh. Wave I take your point that you aren't VE, I am aware of that :p but still. I'll be back tomorrow | ||
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 Feeling hungover+vile from last night, so not gonna play/think much until later, after i forced myself to exercise and clear my system out. 1pm and still in dressing gown + bed :p Quick thoughts I picked up while catching up on the thread for now: On January 26 2014 07:40 Foolishness wrote: In terms of actual connections between I haven't done a thorough analysis to say "these two players could be a likely pair". One thing I did take notice of was that in day 1 Kitaman was pushing hard for sandroba (and voted for sandroba twice during the day). I think this says something because why would Kitaman be drawing so much attention to his obviously semi-inactive mafia teammate (especially on day 1, and especially on a player who is known for being inactive as mafia)? Because of this I don't find Kitaman likely to be mafia with sandroba. . Actually this might be redundant because Fool now apparently changed his mind, but sandroba had zero votes (after i moved off anyway) before gonzaw managed to make a really good push on him. Why are you giving this so much credit? On January 26 2014 07:52 gonzaw wrote: Hmmm.... Well.......maybe we should keep the lynch on VE. Toad, I don't get it: VE basically gave up a long time ago, and I doubt he'll "pick up" and start putting effort. Why would you think reading VE will get any easier? What if he keeps doing nothing and saying he's apathetic and doing the stuff he did this D2? Will you say "Let's keep him around till D4, SURELY it'll be easier to read him by then"? I'm risking going into tunnelvision here, but whatever. I agree with gonzaw's questions essentially. I find this "keep VE around for one more day" really out of place, because there is nothing to suggest, at all, that VE's attitude would change. It's so... murky. That's the 2nd thing that feels really wrong in Toad's filter (the other not reading holy's posts..) On January 26 2014 08:15 Toadesstern wrote: can I answer this? Can I answer this? I got a pie-chart: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7sroMdW.png) I gave in to being a dick... And then this gave me pause. Doesn't really matter how right or wrong it is necessarily (@wave), more that it's at least an interesting and possibly townie way of thinking. I dunno. The issue is that VE = town makes Toad = mafia all the more likely. On January 26 2014 13:12 Foolishness wrote: I'm leaving this thread for the next 24 hours or so. I can't think straight because all my posts are being misconstrued and misused. I also can't make my trademark analysis because you guys keep distracting me and are all focused on the wrong things. I don't know how trustworthy my reads are because I have to dedicate 90% of my time to defending myself, instead of typical games where people ignore me and I spend 90% of the time constructing a flawless analysis. I don't have the confidence to push my reads right now because I feel they would just be spammed away, misconstrued or flat out ignored. I hate this Fool, I really do. Not because of the "i'm not going to play now", I get that. The fact that you post this just as Wave is coming into the thread and starting to interact, post, and talk about things. Your main, massive scumread returns and you afk? Really? On January 26 2014 13:59 gonzaw wrote: I get the feeling, Foo's actions regarding Holy, and now Toad at the end of D2 and the start of this N2, are too "obvious". Perhaps in this sense. I mean, I picked up on them, you picked up on them. Foo knows he'll die at some point. He was the leading lynch on 2 days in a row for christ's sake. Doesn't it make sense for Foo and the scum team to frame a townie like that once scum Foo finally gets lynched? Either way, maybe I'm looking too much into it. Maybe, maybe that "obvious" association is true. Maybe scum Foo is indeed buddies with scum Toad, and Foo is just bad at hiding it. . Fool's interactions with the sand lynch were also "too obvious". Do you think Fool connected himself to his two scumbuddies like that? I said before that Fool has no problem blatantly pushing a mafia agenda, but damn. One last thing that I found myself thinking while I was reading the thread and Fool's posts: Is Foolish mafia or is he seeing something in Wave that I'm not seeing anymore and I'm terrible and he's godlike town or something? Either I'm completely missing something with Wave here or something wonky is going on with this push. | ||
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a) fool talking about how wave is almost certainly mafia b) wave comes in and starts posting about stuff c) fool immediately decides to leave the thread It's something I'll probably check out later but it feels like, in general, there's been a lack of engagement with you on his behalf. | ||
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Partly because of the players in the game (sensible), partly because most of the time mafia ##bigplays are usually borne out of the situation at hand, not pre-planned/done randomly | ||
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That's as far as I'll stretch  | ||
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On January 26 2014 22:53 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright 'cause my mind keeps wandering...and I worry that if Fool is town we may lose flat out because it means everyone has had the wrong train of thought all game. Who are your top 2 atm? Without great thought, Toad + Fool. Just lots of people looking townie to me really. The posts from Fool that I read in my catchup made me feel worse about him, not better. Still banking on 2 mafia being in toad+fool+kita, finding it really hard to see any other options. | ||
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