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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
January 13 2014 03:38 GMT
#1608
we killed scum, ez game, go to bed
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
January 13 2014 03:43 GMT
#1610
marv killed xatalos or however you spell it
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
January 13 2014 03:55 GMT
#1613
no idea tbh, from what I understand he just talked with a lot of pppl he thinks is town and they all agreed he is a good lynch. doesn't really matter in hindsight as he flipped scum so it's safe to assume we can trust most of those people
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
January 13 2014 17:27 GMT
#1731
doesn't that just make thrawn look better (the change of heart) why would he post that knowing full well that his opinion in that situation would be frankly, meaningless, and xatalos was most likely going to die either way.
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
January 13 2014 17:39 GMT
#1742
On January 14 2014 02:30 marvellosity wrote:
Vayne, what are the insights that you found valuable from Wave?


mostly here

On January 12 2014 10:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2014 09:58 yamato77 wrote:
If you're scum after that emotional blab, I'm never playing with you again.

I'd suggest ditching dick move analysis; it's proven to be ineffective as of late. I will however appeal to you personally; you can take it as you will. Knowing what you know of me, my playstyle, and my attitude towards mafia and rules in general, I think you can draw the proper conclusions.

Now if people are interested in my scumreads (and you should be), I'm thinking primarily suchdoge for starters.
I have been in discussion with a few players in PMs (I won't reveal who I'm talking to with regards to specific conversations unless I believe it's absolutely necessary---they can reveal themselves if they so choose) and one player got me thinking about suchdoge's identity. I won't really bother guessing (even though we both guessed the same person) because basing a scumread solely on that (and as a result, meta) would be terrible but if other people have any guesses you may want to keep those in mind or alternatively you can PM me and I will discuss that section with you.

Suchdoge:
His massive entry post that said the same thing about the mayoral election that I already did earlier in thread, and then promoted marv and mig as good candidates for election despite the fact that marv (at the time) was barely playing this game (although I can't be certain about PMs) and I'm assuming Mig hasn't shown up yet (and from what I saw in PYP I'm not particularly impressed with his play).

The rest of his filter (and he HAS one, unlike others) was shitting on the main and strongest mayoral prospect and talking about how he can't PM.

I would be curious to know what interactions people have had with him in PM/IRC-land because I have spoken to people with conflicting reads here. It is my belief that such an entry into the thread, not offering anything particularly useful other than the offering up of mayoral candidates that can widely be accepted as 'good players' if they decide to run is nothing more than a safe and neutral play under the guise of effort, a perfect scum opener. The rest of his filter does not lead me to believe he has town's best interests in mind (despite some people currently agreeing with DrH not being the best mayoral prospect, including DrH himself) as he promoted negativity without offering something positive and realistic in return. Also now that marv HAS announced his potential candidacy I would like to see how he will react.


I tend to agree with dick move analysis not being that great lately and with his qualms about suchdoge, who I don't have a strong or even slight town read on yet. Maybe I'll send him a PM and see what we can accomplish.

also here

On January 12 2014 21:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
I really don't like the direction things have taken right now.
I'm really tempted to pick up the reins here now that yamato has dropped out (and why, exactly?) because I have zero faith or trust in Rayn this game and don't want the mayor role to default onto him.
Marv I'm 50/50 on you right now, so let's chat while I have the chance.

At the moment the only thing stopping me from actually running is the fact that I won't be around for deadlines and a large part of today specifically, which wouldn't exactly be fair to what would be my loyal constituents, now would it? VE please take your vote off me so I'm not tempted any further.

I've said it before and I'll say it again---I get burned on newbie reads a lot, unfortunately, but that doesn't mean I have to like what is going on with Derrida. I simply don't think he is scum despite the similarities between his opening post here and in his scum game and I certainly don't like that he appears to be an easy 'default' lynch for people to fall back on. Rayn announced he'd vote for him (to assist him in winning, no doubt) and now marv has done the same---it seems today's lynch has already been chosen despite all the talk that's going to go on for the next few hours, no?


At that point in the game, Dr.H and yamato had both dropped out of mayor running and so he had good reason to wonder wtf was going on at that point in the game. Also I tended to agree with his Derrida analysis after I went through some more filters, because there was a lot of players in the game like chinstrap and captain obvious that had about the same content at that point but derrida was getting singled out which felt strange to me.
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
January 13 2014 18:00 GMT
#1748
On January 14 2014 02:49 marvellosity wrote:
That 2nd quote I really dislike. I hate the "I don't like this direction at the moment"

He keeps shading rayn without backup and he's unhappy that I'm finally running for mayor? He also defended Xatalos terribly. I dunno. Why does Wave not think Derrida is mafia? What possible reason does he have to think this other than other people have called Derrida mafia?


as much as it is bad, I think that is the signature that WoS is town lol.

As for the last part, I think it is a pretty good reason when you have others very similar in nature to him running around but nobody gives them a second thought (we've all seen mafia lie about activity, lets not kid ourselves)
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
January 13 2014 18:11 GMT
#1751
On January 14 2014 03:02 marvellosity wrote:
BC and chinstrap both advertised their absence pre-game, so I don't see any direct comparisons with Derrida; basically everyone is hunching that Derrida is/was town in the ongoing game and comparing his opening post here to his opening post in the mafiagame he played which was extremely similar in intent

I don't see how you see a bad list post in a mafiagame then a bad listpost in this game and come to the conclusion "i don't think Derrida is scum"

You're also saying "as much as it is bad" when originally you posted it as insight from wave and you commented that it was insight, so you're kinda disagreeing yourself here which is pretty sucky.


I think it is good though... I'm just trying to level with you here.

Advertising your absence doesn't mean much when you have time to come in and make big posts about how inactive you are, at least for me anyway.

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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
January 13 2014 18:14 GMT
#1752
also suchdoge i will skype you then.

@rayn persona lol
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
January 13 2014 18:20 GMT
#1755
he is a lynch target here so I don't see how it's a bad example. You thought his posts were super scummy and he wasn't. I think you are reading him wrong similarly here.
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
January 13 2014 18:40 GMT
#1759
On January 14 2014 03:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2014 03:20 VayneAuthority wrote:
he is a lynch target here so I don't see how it's a bad example. You thought his posts were super scummy and he wasn't. I think you are reading him wrong similarly here.

That's not what we are discussing here and in my opinion the situation was entirely different in 4 Persone, where WoS intentionally did something scummy to bait out reactions.

Here we are talking about the post that disagrees with things and does not offer alternatives. It does not say anything useful but spread doubt on people and includes a read that has no basis other than "because so many people think Derrida is scummy he can't be scum".

And btw WoS was not a lynch target at the time he made the post. I think you are trying to misrepresent the situation here and avoiding to give an answer.


how can I mispresent the situation on some one I am not trying to get lynched? That makes zero sense.

I already explained everything else.
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
January 13 2014 22:50 GMT
#1852
I have no qualms with some one shooting blazinghand at this point...he is just repeating the same things over and over and it grows old.

When are flips in this game anyway, me want cookies
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
January 13 2014 22:56 GMT
#1865
who cares really at this point, im down for just taking all inactives to the chopping block and then grilling whoevers left
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
January 13 2014 23:05 GMT
#1869
objection! (not that my opinion seems to hold any weight around here)
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
January 13 2014 23:11 GMT
#1872
On January 14 2014 08:06 marvellosity wrote:
he's literally opted out of the game.


if he does in fact actually stop playing then that's fine. I'd rather lynch captain obvious, chinstrap, BC, etc before though.
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
January 14 2014 00:21 GMT
#1913
wtf? rofl
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
January 14 2014 00:22 GMT
#1918
PM games never fail to deliver, as ive said in the past they just don't work frankly.
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
January 14 2014 00:51 GMT
#1968
i don't think anyone actually wasted their time reading anything mason related but w/e

play ball
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
January 14 2014 00:59 GMT
#1979
If anything I question how such a role made it past the balance phase. 3 confirmed towns to eachother in a 25 person game, who can all claim to the mayor making for an easy 4 man confirmed town circle. but I guess that's a story for another day.
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
January 14 2014 01:00 GMT
#1982
imagine if like good people had the mason roles and they never claimed in thread and just contacted the mayor and made an easy circle how amazing that would have been lawl. If anything as pointed out this is just mason incompetence and not the host's fault from my view.
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
January 14 2014 01:06 GMT
#1998
with such a role I don't think the game had any integrity to begin with the testing process doesn't seem to be as rigorous as it used to be...absolutely absurd role given that it is a PM game.
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