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You can't have it both ways. This is my case in why we should elect Oats.
There is a voting block on Room A. Those people are allowed to make plans without anyone else knowing about them. They are clearly haeding towards removing everyone else from the game and sort themselves out when there is only 4 people left.
I am not sure if VE and kush realize if this is the case. However:
1) in case they do not realize this, they are unintentionally helping Rean & Losk and screwing everyone else over.
2) in case they do realize this, they are screwing over other people even more
In either case we must kill the voting block before 3rd eviction because at that point the vote will be 4-4 and we can't do shit about it. We do not know how the second HoH election is determined. We however do know how they first HoH is elected. Therefore the best thing everyone else than people in room A can do is to vote Oats for HoH and remove one of Rean / Losk.
If you do anything else you are very likely to get screwed over their voting block later on and you are playing against your wincon.
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On December 12 2013 22:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
So you wont put up for eviction people who voted for you. Ok. I didnt really care who you wanted evicted at this point of time.
Rayn, he was reading that big post where you voted me.
Do you understand if someone from room A gets HoH on D1 and D2 everyone else is screwed.
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On December 12 2013 22:22 Oatsmaster wrote:
Dude Im voting for myself arent I.
Yeah you are. It wasn't directed only to you, but for everyone.
I was just making it clear. ^^
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Funny how VE says he wants to evict me because i promote "toxic atmosphere". I don't think i have dona anything like that in this game. Now it's because i oppose his plan to get rid of everyone but room A (which is quite clear is what they are doing). You just need to read pages 4-6 in this game to realize it.
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I already said that's not what i am promoting. That was my first impression but i do not know if that's accurate.
VE do you agree what i said about Rean and Losk?
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So everything i said is true. 
Basically everyone who is voting for VE outside of room A is playing against their wincon. ^^
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Joining you is a suicide because everyone with half a brain knows when everyone who's not with you is dead you start killing outside you four. The only problem with your plan is you guys made it too obvious. Now it's just the matter if the rest of the people are wise enough to believe me because that's exactly what's gonna happen if you join those guys.
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On December 12 2013 22:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
False. Rayn it's playing on your fears.
Hihi.. Both of you and kush just said it's true.
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On December 12 2013 22:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
No I said FOR D1 I'm not choosing anyone in the room. You are saying we are trying to goo after non Room A all game. That is simply not true.
Do you promise this is true? I could consider voting for you if you promise this.
Note that if you do promise this and do not keep your promise you make a lot of people angry and even if you get for top 2 they will most likely not vote for your win.
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##unvote
##Vote: VisceraEyes
Okay, that's enough for me. you are certainly putting yourself out there and taking responsibility for your actions and at least being honest. In case you are lying it will get back to you, but i do not think you would intentionally want to make 6 people angry for you because it makes winning much harder for you. You made a promise for everyone in this game.
kush is being honest, i get the same feeling for Oats.
I don't know how much you have been PMing with Rean/Losk but i get the feeling they make you and kush do things (promote their agenda) without sticking their necks out. I do not like that. I suggest you keep an eye on them, i think they are dangerous regardless of what they tell you now. Trust them or not, but keep an eye on them because everyone is playing for themselves.
yamato i ahve no idea about, what have they talked with Oats i dunno. Maybe a lot, maybe nothing. Time will tell.
Others have not posted.
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But VE, i am not contributing toward toxic atmosphere. It's a suicide in this game because there is no right or wrong, everyone wants to survive and everyone wants every other people dead. Nobody wants to make enemies unless you make more friends than enemies.
You can take my word for that.
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On December 12 2013 23:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok sorry, VE isnt lying, but he is misleading.
No Oats, if he is misleading us he is making 6 people angry. If he makes 6 people angry he can't possibly win this game. Therefore if he lies it's a lose-lose scenario for him.
VE i suggest a lurker-eviction for D1. Do you agree?
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He made a PROMISE that's not what he is trying to do. If he does not keep that promise (i.e. if other people get whacked and they believe VE was lying) he won't win the game. This is not a team game, this is every man for himself.
If VE is lying he's effectively losing the game for himself, that's why i do not believe he is lying.
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Look Oats i am not sure if you get this.
If room A has a plan i assumed VE is the one who is thrown under the bus when they are the only people left. It's clear. If other people than VE from room A continue whacking other people after D1 (without proper reasoning) VE get's blamed because he promised us that's not what they will do.
It's not like thay are a team, because while they can have an alliance NOW, only one can win. If VE is lying to us now, he can't possibly win, because he is making too many enemies. If room A backstabs VE or tries to go against what VE said D2 and after that, VE can't join their alliace, because he gets blamed for it.
Can you understand this Oats? There are no teams.
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On December 12 2013 23:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
I don't even know if we will be in contact after D1 Oats.
You are not. It's quite clear from OP the PM's are for D1.
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##Unselct room
##Select room B
Oats go IRC?
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We are allowed to use other channels than TL PM's if we are allowed to PM someone right?
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So the only people contributing to toxic thread atmosphere atm are Losk and Rean.
Change your tone guys please. You won't win the game if you make too much enemies.
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On December 13 2013 00:11 iVLosK! wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2013 00:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
ok so what is gonna happen on day 2, is that one of the 3 remaining Room 1 people will campaign and IF they get elected, vote to evict me.
We don't have any plans that far into the future, but I hope this is how it turns out. "Toxic thread atmosphere"... Lol, I'm sorry, you must be lost. The mafia games are that way, *points away from here* this here is not mafia and there's no such thing as a "toxic" atmosphere or a pro-town atmosphere. You try to bullshit the game again and I'll lay your ass out.
I believed you had some grand plan and opposed it. When VE said that's not what's going on i took his word for it.
You and Rean are just trying to make people who don't straight up agree with your room angry. I notice shitposting when i see it. Don't try to make it look like it's something that it's not.
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