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On December 10 2013 22:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 22:00 Xatalos wrote:On December 10 2013 21:55 Plutarch wrote:
Is it wrong to be paranoid about scum rayne right now? Well, I think he's certainly being more productive than he was in GoT Mafia (as Mafia). There he was mostly just distracting and hindering the discussion. I guess his string of posts about my meta is a bit like that, but there are also valid points in that (unlike most of what he talked/spammed about in GoT).I'm still slightly paranoid after GoT, though. Could you elaborate more on that because afaik i did never try to "distract people's read on you" as you seem to be implying here. I was not calling you scum for what i posted. I was calling out people who gave an incorrect meta-read on you.
Well, you didn't actually call me scummy... But you did call me scummy without *really* calling me scummy... Which is more worrying in itself than actually calling me scummy.
On December 10 2013 20:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 13 2013 10:00 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 09:50 jaybrundage wrote:On January 13 2013 09:27 Xatalos wrote:That smilie doesn't really mean anything, but rather look at jay's post before it. On January 13 2013 09:01 jaybrundage wrote:On January 13 2013 08:49 kushm4sta wrote:Wow I was going to try hard this game but then prome said what he said now I have to play like shit just to spite him. ~~~ On January 13 2013 07:08 Dandel Ion wrote:If Kush goes retard in this game I'll just modkill him  I'll have no qualms about that. Define full retard.
I will not play illegally that is all I can promise. The way your entering the thread is terrible your setting the town up for failure. Its hard enough to play mafia when people are trying there best. If your gonna play like shit and it make it intentionally hard to read you I have no problem lynching you. You looking scummy as it is. You can step it up, Or get lynched your call. That's just too aggressive for my taste. Did anyone else react like that to Kushm4sta's (trollish) posting? Why would it be scummy to draw attention without any need? Xatalos I dont know about you. But I dont want someone trolling in a mafia game. Why put up with someones bullshit so he can spite someone. If hes scum then he can just use to get away with scummy shit. I dont want to put up with that. So I rather put a stop to it now. Yeah, his behaviour is anti-town. But is it scummy? Have you ever seen a scum player opening the discussion with something that will make people less opposed to lynching him? On January 13 2013 11:07 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 09:47 kushm4sta wrote:
fyi i dont read megacases, so keep that in mind.
k this is my last intro post.
Next time I post it will be telling you who i think is scum. Why are you even playing this game if you don't want to put in effort? I can't imagine scum playing like that, but that's still not an excuse to play anti-town. On January 13 2013 11:17 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 11:08 jaybrundage wrote:
@Xalalos
Well Zentor is already defending me lol. I can see him being townie again. Althought i never seen a scummy Zentor.
But as it is so far im leaning town. But regardless i rather not talk about town reads. Anything you think is scummmy as of yet? Well, I haven't seen anything really scummy yet. Mostly I'm concerned with your entrance to the thread and thrawn's lack of engagement. And Kushm4sta's attitude, although it's not actually scummy, but it's still anti-town. On January 13 2013 13:56 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 13:19 MrZentor wrote:
Well, he was in it, I suppose, but he didn't read the last half. Well, you did make a huge comeback later in the game. But you've posted more stuff so far in this game than during the early game there... On January 13 2013 14:12 Xatalos wrote:
Well... I can actually relate to that kind of thinking. I was under heavy suspicion last game for switching my reads based on others' opinions. It's still scummy though, but on the other hand, it's a blatantly scummy thing to do that actual scum wouldn't do (at least so clearly). Conclusion? Tentatively town, purely based on you doing too many anti-town/scummy things for it to make any sense as scum. It sounds stupid, yeah, but it's actually logical. Playing like that makes you get heavy pressure and you end up most likely claiming scum at some point unless you're an amazing player.
(It's pronounced Ksatalos btw, lol) Here is a series of extremely wishy-washy posts from Dessert Mini mafia from Xatalos. Compare this to what Artanis said and quoted from him and tell me if they are similar or not? This is also ~20% of Xatalos' posts from D1 in Dessert - Sloosh made a case on him based on this and some other things right after those posts. I also looked over Xatalos' posts on Sicilian and NWM and in no posts he uses this "this could be scummy but is it in fact?" he does in this game and Dessert. Here is what JJD said in reference (this game): + Show Spoiler +On December 10 2013 14:29 JarJarDrinks wrote:FOSing Xatalos. I agree w/ the whole flinging poo analysis. And this post: Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 07:10 Xatalos wrote:On December 10 2013 07:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 10 2013 07:04 Alakaslam wrote:On December 10 2013 07:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I don't like Xatalos right now and I'm curious if anyone sees what I see before I say why. Gladly oblige. Quick to hop on someone really really unreasonably early and with not the greatest logic in the world? My behavior right off is worse but he votes cora I am so bad I am useful to scum in the lategame, so he would rather mislynch cora who though not perfect, is definitely better at being town than me. Probably not exactly your point but I think you are also seeing the quick to lynch attitude. And the slightly unreasonable aggressiveness. I'm seeing a scattershot that's flinging poo everywhere and found someone to whom it will stick. I don't feel like he's trying to discern anyone's alignment, but rather start chaos and find a nice lynch target. ##Vote Xatalos Well, that's one way to look at it. The other is that I'm always relatively aggressive as town. Just really seems like he's trying to explain how he's trying to play to his town meta and he's pissed that Artan isn't seeing it that way. I'm also noticing that he's giving alot of his reads a qualifier. A bunch of "this guy is scummy but he could be town too" or vice versa. Check these: Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 07:30 Xatalos wrote:On December 10 2013 07:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 10 2013 07:24 Xatalos wrote:On December 10 2013 07:16 Spaghetticus wrote:
Xatalos do you think Artanis' point about you scatter-shotting is a good one? Artanis has a good eye. Maybe I ought to calm down a bit. However, I'm tired of slow first days. It feels good to get something going fast. Do you think my pressure on you is indicative of my alignment? Hard to say. I'd say slightly leaning town based on the fact that you're apparently trying to unravel my alignment. But I think you're a veteran player? How many games have you played? In that sense, it could possibly be almost anything. Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 07:36 Xatalos wrote:On December 10 2013 07:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Oh wait I can just click profile here. 15. OK. Well, it's definitely possible that this is a "play" to get town credit. But then again, the more likely scenario is that you're town and trying to figure out the game. Your experience makes the former option more likely, but still less likely than the later option, I'd say. Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 08:09 Xatalos wrote:On December 10 2013 08:01 Holyflare wrote:On December 10 2013 07:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 10 2013 07:36 LSB wrote:On December 10 2013 07:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 10 2013 07:21 LSB wrote:On December 10 2013 07:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 10 2013 07:17 LSB wrote:
I think we need to calm down. My "townie on townie day 1 shitstorm" sense is tingling.
That speaking, oddly enough it does encourage a Xatalos lynch Whom do you feel are townies from this and why? It hasn't really been one on one. It's been HF and Xatalos against Cora, and myself, Alakaslam and you against Xatalos. If you feel it's townie on townie, then you'd think Xatalos was town. So far I think I am townie, I haven't really thought past that. I just don't think this day 1 attitude is gonna be very productive. The whole entire Xatalos suspicion does require a meta read on Xatalos to see if he is brilliant enough to try for the plan on day 1, or does he just play like this. I just skimmed through the filter he linked and I don't think it looks like the start of this game at all. He's far more aggressive here. What were you trying to say exactly with your initial post if you didn't mean to give anyone a town read but yourself? I'm confused. I don't think a plan other than "starting shit" is required for scum. That's always a good thing. In my opinion natural scum play is to stay low, especially on day 1, the town tends to self destruct anyways day 1. This whole entire "starting shit" strat is actually pretty good, even though it is counterintuitive to the idea of trying to not draw attention. Thus I assumed this strat is not very obvious, especially since I personally never considered it. This is all pure speculation. Something more grounded is that Xatalos is definably acting very different from before, and in my eyes less of a townie I don't feel like Xatalos put himself in the spotlight as much as trying to put others in the spotlight. Corazon put himself in the spotlight without any scum gain. When you look at his post from a scum point of view, it doesn't make sense for them to make it. I can see a scum agenda behind Xatalos' posts. That said, I do like his view on my pressure on him in that it was nuanced rather than trying to score town points. The rest of the day should provide more information. On December 10 2013 07:36 Holyflare wrote:Nobody going to discuss cora's mindset or are you going to dismiss it outright for xantos discussion some more? On December 10 2013 06:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Holy, I don't feel like his response is that different. I also don't think he'd put himself out there so much at the start of the game. No reason to draw attention to yourself like that as scum. Given you quoted me I take it you'd like a response from me? I don't find Corazon scummy at this point in time because he drew attention to himself without any scum benefit. Is it not also a scum mindset to heavily defend themselves when attacked, unnaturally so? Also while defending themselves to then deflect upon another person? Why are you only looking for the people that are "starting shit"? I only know a few scum that play that way. Have you any scum meta on Xatalos that suggests he plays like he is? I don't like how you're so dismissive over cora without discussion when with Xantos you skim the filters to discuss him further. On December 10 2013 06:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Holy, I don't feel like his response is that different. I also don't think he'd put himself out there so much at the start of the game. No reason to draw attention to yourself like that as scum. On December 10 2013 07:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 10 2013 07:21 LSB wrote:On December 10 2013 07:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 10 2013 07:17 LSB wrote:
I think we need to calm down. My "townie on townie day 1 shitstorm" sense is tingling.
That speaking, oddly enough it does encourage a Xatalos lynch Whom do you feel are townies from this and why? It hasn't really been one on one. It's been HF and Xatalos against Cora, and myself, Alakaslam and you against Xatalos. If you feel it's townie on townie, then you'd think Xatalos was town. So far I think I am townie, I haven't really thought past that. I just don't think this day 1 attitude is gonna be very productive. The whole entire Xatalos suspicion does require a meta read on Xatalos to see if he is brilliant enough to try for the plan on day 1, or does he just play like this. I just skimmed through the filter he linked and I don't think it looks like the start of this game at all. He's far more aggressive here. What were you trying to say exactly with your initial post if you didn't mean to give anyone a town read but yourself? I'm confused. I don't think a plan other than "starting shit" is required for scum. That's always a good thing. Look at the difference between these two points - on the one hand (cora) is dismissed by saying "I don't think scum plays that way" whereas the second (Xatalos) is "I have skimmed it briefly and think it's different because X,Y,Z. Question, question. _____________________________ In regards to the point that you made about cora, I don't think he's "putting himself out there" like you suggest, he said that he couldn't dedicate some time towards the game but would still post actively and got picked up on it and was like OMGNUUWRONGRAWRRR!!!!!! and then didn't discuss why with people further or indicate that he had reads on other people because of what happened. He left the thread and then returned when people started mentioning Xatalos and piggybacked upon that with no new reasoning other than what people had said before. He mentions how people in the thread were piggybacking previously (me, etc.) and had qualms with them but then does the same thing here: On December 10 2013 07:10 Corazon wrote:
I do feel like Slam was right as well. If Xatalos was using good logic and pushing me like a townie, I wouldn't have a problem with him. However, he is using faulty logic on purpose and trying to pass it off as correct when in fact his conclusions only come about because he needs to fake pressure on me. This is contradictary with his previous approach of disliking people that piggybacking and is essentially +1ing another players points. Take this in B2B for example, people had a bad read on him and he DISCUSSED why it was bad: On November 21 2013 01:00 Corazon wrote:
When did I say that sciberia was bad town? Please find a post where I said he was bad town.
I didn't vote for sciberia because 0% of wagons in the first 2 hours of a game actually get to the deadline? None. What is the point of vote-jumping? It just allows people to skim my cases once they see the bold vote and only really look at it once it's my turn to be under the gun. Voting for people at this stage is pretty useless because it's not going to get a lynch going. I guarantee you that our reads and opinions are going to change before the deadline and it's useless to lock yourself in (or at least making a statement saying you are going to) 2 hours into a game.
That case was confirmation bias because you took 1-2 decent points about me (which alone are not enough to justify a vote or my lynching) and then supplemented them with saying "Corazon is doing stuff that he always does in every game, he has to be scum for it in this one". He mentions WHY the case was bad etc etc, discusses it and outlines why he thinks it was bad croming from X player. Where is that here? It was a dissmissal of a case from me and a sheep onto townish consesus Xatalos. __________________________________________ I don't like how these things are most definitely brushed off for simplicity that "I don't think scum do this" when there is a body of evidence that suggests a player does not play like this. Vote Cora for best lynch. These are definitely some good points. It's surely premature to declare Corazon as today's lynch, but it would be a good pick in the current situation. I dislike Artanis's dismissal of Corazon's play as well, but I doubt Artanis and Corazon would be scum together. It would seem risky to make a connection like that. That's WIFOM, though. Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 08:16 Xatalos wrote:On December 10 2013 08:15 Alakaslam wrote:On December 10 2013 08:12 Xatalos wrote:On December 10 2013 08:04 Spaghetticus wrote:
Slam is actively obfuscating his intentions with spam. I don't like.
Corazon is a candidate for lynch day one, I'm waiting to see how he responds.
I am suspicious of you, but I think that is more a product of you being in the spotlight rather than any real problems I've got with you so far. I will continue to pay attention to your responses. Hmm, okay. When you say you don't "like", do you mean as in scummy or annoying? Dunno, Thanatos. What do you think? Judging by his vote, probably scummy. But it could be just an empty vote, I guess. Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 08:25 Xatalos wrote:On December 10 2013 08:20 Alakaslam wrote:On December 10 2013 08:16 Xatalos wrote:On December 10 2013 08:15 Alakaslam wrote:On December 10 2013 08:12 Xatalos wrote:On December 10 2013 08:04 Spaghetticus wrote:
Slam is actively obfuscating his intentions with spam. I don't like.
Corazon is a candidate for lynch day one, I'm waiting to see how he responds.
I am suspicious of you, but I think that is more a product of you being in the spotlight rather than any real problems I've got with you so far. I will continue to pay attention to your responses. Hmm, okay. When you say you don't "like", do you mean as in scummy or annoying? Dunno, Thanatos. What do you think? Judging by his vote, probably scummy. But it could be just an empty vote, I guess. Be not dodging the question as askt What do you think? I think you're being suicidal if you're scum, so it's a bit more likely that you're town, but overall somewhat null so far. Does he have any reads he's confident about? Notice the similitaries? Now wtf are you talking about Plutach and kush?
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On December 10 2013 22:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 21:01 Holyflare wrote:
Artanis those things you point out are definitely not the scummy things that cora is doing. I'll highlight some things for you (check my filter for more in-depth stuff on him).
1) He says he dislikes lurkers a lot and will be hard on them this game - hasn't done that at all. He hasn't done much this game other than defend himself because people have been on his case all the time. Show nested quote +2) He has a list of 3 people that he thinks are scum: Xatalos, me? and purple (after not mentioning much/anything? about him) This is scummy how? He hasn't mentioned purple much as there hasn't been much of purple to be mentioned. Show nested quote +3) Claimed he disliked piggybacking and then proceeded to piggyback onto Xatalos, +1ing slam. Hating on piggybacking is a completely standard thing to say. Townies are hypocritical all the time. Doesn't make them scum. Show nested quote +4) After being pressured says he has to go, returns when Xatalos has started to gain traction and then pushes him (within the time he said he'd be gone). Returning after you said you'd be gone is more townie than scum in my eyes. If I say I'm gone as scum I'll be gone because I have an aversion to posting as scum that I don't have as townie. Show nested quote +There are more but it's mostly in my filter. I don't like how you've left all that out though and only mentioned that 1 post has scummy nature to it. Because I didn't find any of the rest of the filter scummy. I don't see what you see. Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 21:08 Xatalos wrote:+ Show Spoiler +rayn, my Mafia meta has indeed changed closer to my town meta in recent games. Before, there was a huge difference, but lately it's not that big of a difference. My advice is to focus more on how my game develops from here rather than focusing on the start. As you can see from Dessert, my D1 was relatively the same as my town D1, but it went scummier from there. I've always been active during D1 in recent games (as either alignment), so it's more of a null tell rather than a big town tell.
By the way, I like the fact that you made research on my past games. I think you mentioned that Artanis's early comments on me were similar compared to your negative/distracting comments on me in GoT Mafia. I thought of it more as an attempt to pressure me townishly, but now that I think about it, there are several factors pointing to the other option. Mainly:
1) the inconsistent attitudes towards me/Corazon
2) stopping/distracting me from pursuing my standard aggro for quite some time
3) throwing a vote on me quickly and fading to the background right after that (let town distract itself?) Artanis, now I'd like you to answer: 1) Seeing as your vote remains on me, do you still think I'm scum? If yes, why? 2) How does your re-examination of Corazon change your view on me? 3) Do you have any other opinions outside of me/Corazon? I'm smelling some OMGUS here. 1) Yes, I have a scum read on you. I've already explained why; scattershooting and seeing what sticks. Now that town sentiment has changed onto me, you seem to find it fitting to go after me too. I don't like it. 2) It doesn't change my read on you. I find the reasons you went after Corazon lacking and stemming from the feeling that you can secure a lynch easily on him. 3) Yes, if you read my filter you'd have seen that I liked Rayn's points on Purple and LSB's points on Sidesprang, but I'm happy where my vote is right now.
1) Actually, if you looked at my earlier filter, I already voiced some suspicion of you when you defended Corazon (since he "grabbed attention") while accusing me (even though I grabbed attention intentionally unlike Corazon). With that logic, you should have defended me and accused Corazon (since he just unintentionally grabbed attention, tried to deflect it and then disappeared). While I was doing my aggro and grabbed attention as a natural part of my play...
2) Do you really think that pressure in the first hour of the game = securing a lynch? Granted, my vote is currently on Corazon, but really.... How is it a Mafia play to put heavy pressure at the very start?
3) I agree with those other points, but how am I the scummiest? How does your logic agree with purple and sidesprang being scummy, yet I'm the scummiest (with pretty illogical reasoning, even)? It just doesn't make sense.
If something doesn't make sense, it's probably coming from scum. I think your reads on me/Corazon are definitely not making sense.
##Unvote
##Vote Artanis[Xp]
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On December 10 2013 22:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 22:37 Xatalos wrote:On December 10 2013 22:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 10 2013 21:01 Holyflare wrote:
Artanis those things you point out are definitely not the scummy things that cora is doing. I'll highlight some things for you (check my filter for more in-depth stuff on him).
1) He says he dislikes lurkers a lot and will be hard on them this game - hasn't done that at all. He hasn't done much this game other than defend himself because people have been on his case all the time. 2) He has a list of 3 people that he thinks are scum: Xatalos, me? and purple (after not mentioning much/anything? about him) This is scummy how? He hasn't mentioned purple much as there hasn't been much of purple to be mentioned. 3) Claimed he disliked piggybacking and then proceeded to piggyback onto Xatalos, +1ing slam. Hating on piggybacking is a completely standard thing to say. Townies are hypocritical all the time. Doesn't make them scum. 4) After being pressured says he has to go, returns when Xatalos has started to gain traction and then pushes him (within the time he said he'd be gone). Returning after you said you'd be gone is more townie than scum in my eyes. If I say I'm gone as scum I'll be gone because I have an aversion to posting as scum that I don't have as townie. There are more but it's mostly in my filter. I don't like how you've left all that out though and only mentioned that 1 post has scummy nature to it. Because I didn't find any of the rest of the filter scummy. I don't see what you see. On December 10 2013 21:08 Xatalos wrote:+ Show Spoiler +rayn, my Mafia meta has indeed changed closer to my town meta in recent games. Before, there was a huge difference, but lately it's not that big of a difference. My advice is to focus more on how my game develops from here rather than focusing on the start. As you can see from Dessert, my D1 was relatively the same as my town D1, but it went scummier from there. I've always been active during D1 in recent games (as either alignment), so it's more of a null tell rather than a big town tell.
By the way, I like the fact that you made research on my past games. I think you mentioned that Artanis's early comments on me were similar compared to your negative/distracting comments on me in GoT Mafia. I thought of it more as an attempt to pressure me townishly, but now that I think about it, there are several factors pointing to the other option. Mainly:
1) the inconsistent attitudes towards me/Corazon
2) stopping/distracting me from pursuing my standard aggro for quite some time
3) throwing a vote on me quickly and fading to the background right after that (let town distract itself?) Artanis, now I'd like you to answer: 1) Seeing as your vote remains on me, do you still think I'm scum? If yes, why? 2) How does your re-examination of Corazon change your view on me? 3) Do you have any other opinions outside of me/Corazon? I'm smelling some OMGUS here. 1) Yes, I have a scum read on you. I've already explained why; scattershooting and seeing what sticks. Now that town sentiment has changed onto me, you seem to find it fitting to go after me too. I don't like it. 2) It doesn't change my read on you. I find the reasons you went after Corazon lacking and stemming from the feeling that you can secure a lynch easily on him. 3) Yes, if you read my filter you'd have seen that I liked Rayn's points on Purple and LSB's points on Sidesprang, but I'm happy where my vote is right now. 1) Actually, if you looked at my earlier filter, I already voiced some suspicion of you when you defended Corazon (since he "grabbed attention") while accusing me (even though I grabbed attention intentionally unlike Corazon). With that logic, you should have defended me and accused Corazon (since he just unintentionally grabbed attention, tried to deflect it and then disappeared). While I was doing my aggro and grabbed attention as a natural part of my play... 2) Do you really think that pressure in the first hour of the game = securing a lynch? Granted, my vote is currently on Corazon, but really.... How is it a Mafia play to put heavy pressure at the very start? 3) I agree with those other points, but how am I the scummiest? How does your logic agree with purple and sidesprang being scummy, yet I'm the scummiest (with pretty illogical reasoning, even)? It just doesn't make sense. If something doesn't make sense, it's probably coming from scum. I think your reads on me/Corazon are definitely not making sense. ##Unvote
##Vote Artanis[Xp] 0) So you opened up the option to OMGUS early. That doesn't mean you're not OMGUS'ing. You've just gone full OMGUS. 1) I already told you that what Corazon did wasn't from a scum agenda. What you did conforms to one. Yes, he's been full of excuses and all that, but he hasn't done anything to further a scum agenda which is how you catch scum. 2) Early votes don't mean too much. What I'm saying is that Cora is an easy push and you know it. 3) You're the scummiest because you have the most content and there's more of you to go after. The other two have barely posted and are either smurfs or new, whereas you're held to higher standards. If something doesn't make sense, you try to figure it out. You're not doing that.
Then enlighten me:
1) If my play is a possible scum play, how is it more likely scum than town?
2) Why did you defend Corazon for grabbing attention (while actually he didn't intend to), yet accused me for doing just that ("creating confusion")?
3) How is it not a scum agenda to make excuses for lurking in advance and deflecting attention away from himself (like Corazon)?
4) How is it not a town agenda to create discussion and pressure aggressively (like me)?
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On December 10 2013 22:49 Holyflare wrote:
TL:DR
He does not know LSB's alignment in PYP so how can he unvote based on that game unless he knows his alignment in this one.
LOL. Is that true? He really doesn't know LSB's alignment in PYP???
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On December 10 2013 22:54 kushm4sta wrote:
Player List:
1. raynpelikoneet
2. VayneAuthority
3. Pandain
4. Spaghetticus
5. kushm4sta
6. Grackaroni
7. JarJarDrinks
8. Artanis[Xp]
9. LSB
10. Xatalos
11. Plutarch
12. Alakaslam
13. Corazon
14. xigxag
15. sidesprang
16. bumatlarge
17. Holyflare
18. purpletrator
have so much work to do so ill be back later tonight. plz dont spam too much!
Why is Artanis[Xp] town?
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On December 10 2013 22:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 22:50 Xatalos wrote:On December 10 2013 22:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 10 2013 22:37 Xatalos wrote:On December 10 2013 22:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 10 2013 21:01 Holyflare wrote:
Artanis those things you point out are definitely not the scummy things that cora is doing. I'll highlight some things for you (check my filter for more in-depth stuff on him).
1) He says he dislikes lurkers a lot and will be hard on them this game - hasn't done that at all. He hasn't done much this game other than defend himself because people have been on his case all the time. 2) He has a list of 3 people that he thinks are scum: Xatalos, me? and purple (after not mentioning much/anything? about him) This is scummy how? He hasn't mentioned purple much as there hasn't been much of purple to be mentioned. 3) Claimed he disliked piggybacking and then proceeded to piggyback onto Xatalos, +1ing slam. Hating on piggybacking is a completely standard thing to say. Townies are hypocritical all the time. Doesn't make them scum. 4) After being pressured says he has to go, returns when Xatalos has started to gain traction and then pushes him (within the time he said he'd be gone). Returning after you said you'd be gone is more townie than scum in my eyes. If I say I'm gone as scum I'll be gone because I have an aversion to posting as scum that I don't have as townie. There are more but it's mostly in my filter. I don't like how you've left all that out though and only mentioned that 1 post has scummy nature to it. Because I didn't find any of the rest of the filter scummy. I don't see what you see. On December 10 2013 21:08 Xatalos wrote:+ Show Spoiler +rayn, my Mafia meta has indeed changed closer to my town meta in recent games. Before, there was a huge difference, but lately it's not that big of a difference. My advice is to focus more on how my game develops from here rather than focusing on the start. As you can see from Dessert, my D1 was relatively the same as my town D1, but it went scummier from there. I've always been active during D1 in recent games (as either alignment), so it's more of a null tell rather than a big town tell.
By the way, I like the fact that you made research on my past games. I think you mentioned that Artanis's early comments on me were similar compared to your negative/distracting comments on me in GoT Mafia. I thought of it more as an attempt to pressure me townishly, but now that I think about it, there are several factors pointing to the other option. Mainly:
1) the inconsistent attitudes towards me/Corazon
2) stopping/distracting me from pursuing my standard aggro for quite some time
3) throwing a vote on me quickly and fading to the background right after that (let town distract itself?) Artanis, now I'd like you to answer: 1) Seeing as your vote remains on me, do you still think I'm scum? If yes, why? 2) How does your re-examination of Corazon change your view on me? 3) Do you have any other opinions outside of me/Corazon? I'm smelling some OMGUS here. 1) Yes, I have a scum read on you. I've already explained why; scattershooting and seeing what sticks. Now that town sentiment has changed onto me, you seem to find it fitting to go after me too. I don't like it. 2) It doesn't change my read on you. I find the reasons you went after Corazon lacking and stemming from the feeling that you can secure a lynch easily on him. 3) Yes, if you read my filter you'd have seen that I liked Rayn's points on Purple and LSB's points on Sidesprang, but I'm happy where my vote is right now. 1) Actually, if you looked at my earlier filter, I already voiced some suspicion of you when you defended Corazon (since he "grabbed attention") while accusing me (even though I grabbed attention intentionally unlike Corazon). With that logic, you should have defended me and accused Corazon (since he just unintentionally grabbed attention, tried to deflect it and then disappeared). While I was doing my aggro and grabbed attention as a natural part of my play... 2) Do you really think that pressure in the first hour of the game = securing a lynch? Granted, my vote is currently on Corazon, but really.... How is it a Mafia play to put heavy pressure at the very start? 3) I agree with those other points, but how am I the scummiest? How does your logic agree with purple and sidesprang being scummy, yet I'm the scummiest (with pretty illogical reasoning, even)? It just doesn't make sense. If something doesn't make sense, it's probably coming from scum. I think your reads on me/Corazon are definitely not making sense. ##Unvote
##Vote Artanis[Xp] 0) So you opened up the option to OMGUS early. That doesn't mean you're not OMGUS'ing. You've just gone full OMGUS. 1) I already told you that what Corazon did wasn't from a scum agenda. What you did conforms to one. Yes, he's been full of excuses and all that, but he hasn't done anything to further a scum agenda which is how you catch scum. 2) Early votes don't mean too much. What I'm saying is that Cora is an easy push and you know it. 3) You're the scummiest because you have the most content and there's more of you to go after. The other two have barely posted and are either smurfs or new, whereas you're held to higher standards. If something doesn't make sense, you try to figure it out. You're not doing that. Then enlighten me: 1) If my play is a possible scum play, how is it more likely scum than town? Because your play suggested a carelessness on who actually gets lynched, as long as it isn't you (or presumably your scumbuddies), and were happy to scattershot on everyone. Show nested quote +2) Why did you defend Corazon for grabbing attention (while actually he didn't intend to), yet accused me for doing just that ("creating confusion")? I've said this a million times. There was no scum agenda behind Corazon's posts. He doesn't give a shit about how he looks and doesn't construct his posts carefully. This in contrast to you. It's not just what, but also how. Show nested quote +3) How is it not a scum agenda to make excuses for lurking in advance and deflecting attention away from himself (like Corazon)? Because what good does it actually do? Give me a realistic situation in a game where people fall back to "hey I said at the start of the game that I'll be less active" and it having any meaningful affect whatsoever, especially when he followed it up with giving an inclination to lynching inactives himself. Show nested quote +4) How is it not a town agenda to create discussion and pressure aggressively (like me)? It's good to create discussion and pressure, but the questions should lead somewhere and not antagonize everyone, then try to find a weak target to latch onto as you did with Corazon. It's not the what, it's the how.
Are you seriously saying that my posting is crafted while Corazon's isn't?? This bias is incredible. Just look at his first post (it's extremely crafted):
On December 10 2013 06:02 Corazon wrote:
Alright guys, I just want to let you all know that I have some English work to do in the next two days so don't expect me to be super-active. I will try my best but I won't be spamming up the thread. I'm also going to try and take notes this game because I feel like I play better when I take notes. Plus, it makes me read everything a lot more in-depth.
If you are town and you are lurking, expect to be under the gun during the game and expect me to not be very nice to you post-game. I will be weighing activity a lot heavier in my voting decision this game than I have in the past. You all are warned. If you are going to take a sieste the entire time and not participate, I am going to be on you until you do so.
That is all.
Then you can compare it to my general aggro..... You even mention that my posting is "careless" yet you also say that "Corazon's posting is careless - in contrast to you". What the heck........ This just doesn't make sense at all.
If you think I'm trying to find a weak target, do you consider yourself as a weak target?
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On December 10 2013 22:58 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 22:56 Xatalos wrote:On December 10 2013 22:54 kushm4sta wrote:
Player List:
1. raynpelikoneet
2. VayneAuthority
3. Pandain
4. Spaghetticus
5. kushm4sta
6. Grackaroni
7. JarJarDrinks
8. Artanis[Xp]
9. LSB
10. Xatalos
11. Plutarch
12. Alakaslam
13. Corazon
14. xigxag
15. sidesprang
16. bumatlarge
17. Holyflare
18. purpletrator
have so much work to do so ill be back later tonight. plz dont spam too much! Why is Artanis[Xp] town? hes got a lot of decent scumhunting so far.
Really? All I see is him piling illogical accusations on me while defending Corazon for weak reasons.
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On December 10 2013 23:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 23:02 Xatalos wrote:On December 10 2013 22:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 10 2013 22:50 Xatalos wrote:On December 10 2013 22:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 10 2013 22:37 Xatalos wrote:On December 10 2013 22:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 10 2013 21:01 Holyflare wrote:
Artanis those things you point out are definitely not the scummy things that cora is doing. I'll highlight some things for you (check my filter for more in-depth stuff on him).
1) He says he dislikes lurkers a lot and will be hard on them this game - hasn't done that at all. He hasn't done much this game other than defend himself because people have been on his case all the time. 2) He has a list of 3 people that he thinks are scum: Xatalos, me? and purple (after not mentioning much/anything? about him) This is scummy how? He hasn't mentioned purple much as there hasn't been much of purple to be mentioned. 3) Claimed he disliked piggybacking and then proceeded to piggyback onto Xatalos, +1ing slam. Hating on piggybacking is a completely standard thing to say. Townies are hypocritical all the time. Doesn't make them scum. 4) After being pressured says he has to go, returns when Xatalos has started to gain traction and then pushes him (within the time he said he'd be gone). Returning after you said you'd be gone is more townie than scum in my eyes. If I say I'm gone as scum I'll be gone because I have an aversion to posting as scum that I don't have as townie. There are more but it's mostly in my filter. I don't like how you've left all that out though and only mentioned that 1 post has scummy nature to it. Because I didn't find any of the rest of the filter scummy. I don't see what you see. On December 10 2013 21:08 Xatalos wrote:+ Show Spoiler +rayn, my Mafia meta has indeed changed closer to my town meta in recent games. Before, there was a huge difference, but lately it's not that big of a difference. My advice is to focus more on how my game develops from here rather than focusing on the start. As you can see from Dessert, my D1 was relatively the same as my town D1, but it went scummier from there. I've always been active during D1 in recent games (as either alignment), so it's more of a null tell rather than a big town tell.
By the way, I like the fact that you made research on my past games. I think you mentioned that Artanis's early comments on me were similar compared to your negative/distracting comments on me in GoT Mafia. I thought of it more as an attempt to pressure me townishly, but now that I think about it, there are several factors pointing to the other option. Mainly:
1) the inconsistent attitudes towards me/Corazon
2) stopping/distracting me from pursuing my standard aggro for quite some time
3) throwing a vote on me quickly and fading to the background right after that (let town distract itself?) Artanis, now I'd like you to answer: 1) Seeing as your vote remains on me, do you still think I'm scum? If yes, why? 2) How does your re-examination of Corazon change your view on me? 3) Do you have any other opinions outside of me/Corazon? I'm smelling some OMGUS here. 1) Yes, I have a scum read on you. I've already explained why; scattershooting and seeing what sticks. Now that town sentiment has changed onto me, you seem to find it fitting to go after me too. I don't like it. 2) It doesn't change my read on you. I find the reasons you went after Corazon lacking and stemming from the feeling that you can secure a lynch easily on him. 3) Yes, if you read my filter you'd have seen that I liked Rayn's points on Purple and LSB's points on Sidesprang, but I'm happy where my vote is right now. 1) Actually, if you looked at my earlier filter, I already voiced some suspicion of you when you defended Corazon (since he "grabbed attention") while accusing me (even though I grabbed attention intentionally unlike Corazon). With that logic, you should have defended me and accused Corazon (since he just unintentionally grabbed attention, tried to deflect it and then disappeared). While I was doing my aggro and grabbed attention as a natural part of my play... 2) Do you really think that pressure in the first hour of the game = securing a lynch? Granted, my vote is currently on Corazon, but really.... How is it a Mafia play to put heavy pressure at the very start? 3) I agree with those other points, but how am I the scummiest? How does your logic agree with purple and sidesprang being scummy, yet I'm the scummiest (with pretty illogical reasoning, even)? It just doesn't make sense. If something doesn't make sense, it's probably coming from scum. I think your reads on me/Corazon are definitely not making sense. ##Unvote
##Vote Artanis[Xp] 0) So you opened up the option to OMGUS early. That doesn't mean you're not OMGUS'ing. You've just gone full OMGUS. 1) I already told you that what Corazon did wasn't from a scum agenda. What you did conforms to one. Yes, he's been full of excuses and all that, but he hasn't done anything to further a scum agenda which is how you catch scum. 2) Early votes don't mean too much. What I'm saying is that Cora is an easy push and you know it. 3) You're the scummiest because you have the most content and there's more of you to go after. The other two have barely posted and are either smurfs or new, whereas you're held to higher standards. If something doesn't make sense, you try to figure it out. You're not doing that. Then enlighten me: 1) If my play is a possible scum play, how is it more likely scum than town? Because your play suggested a carelessness on who actually gets lynched, as long as it isn't you (or presumably your scumbuddies), and were happy to scattershot on everyone. 2) Why did you defend Corazon for grabbing attention (while actually he didn't intend to), yet accused me for doing just that ("creating confusion")? I've said this a million times. There was no scum agenda behind Corazon's posts. He doesn't give a shit about how he looks and doesn't construct his posts carefully. This in contrast to you. It's not just what, but also how. 3) How is it not a scum agenda to make excuses for lurking in advance and deflecting attention away from himself (like Corazon)? Because what good does it actually do? Give me a realistic situation in a game where people fall back to "hey I said at the start of the game that I'll be less active" and it having any meaningful affect whatsoever, especially when he followed it up with giving an inclination to lynching inactives himself. 4) How is it not a town agenda to create discussion and pressure aggressively (like me)? It's good to create discussion and pressure, but the questions should lead somewhere and not antagonize everyone, then try to find a weak target to latch onto as you did with Corazon. It's not the what, it's the how. Are you seriously saying that my posting is crafted while Corazon's isn't?? This bias is incredible. Just look at his first post (it's extremely crafted): On December 10 2013 06:02 Corazon wrote:
Alright guys, I just want to let you all know that I have some English work to do in the next two days so don't expect me to be super-active. I will try my best but I won't be spamming up the thread. I'm also going to try and take notes this game because I feel like I play better when I take notes. Plus, it makes me read everything a lot more in-depth.
If you are town and you are lurking, expect to be under the gun during the game and expect me to not be very nice to you post-game. I will be weighing activity a lot heavier in my voting decision this game than I have in the past. You all are warned. If you are going to take a sieste the entire time and not participate, I am going to be on you until you do so.
That is all. Are you seriously saying a first post in which he half contradicts himself is crafted? There was no thought to it at all. He just posted whatever was on his mind then left. Show nested quote +Then you can compare it to my general aggro..... You even mention that my posting is "careless" yet you also say that "Corazon's posting is careless - in contrast to you". What the heck........ This just doesn't make sense at all.
If you think I'm trying to find a weak target, do you consider yourself as a weak target? Your posting is careless in that you don't care who your target is, as long as it isn't you or other scum. You had to change target because if you kept sticking to Corazon and didn't address me you'd be screwed. You changed target because you saw the opportunity with thread sentiment changing against me, yes.
It's crafted in the sense that it's supposed to look like a post unworthy of being remembered (no content, but seems decent enough on a quick look). Just like Mafia like to start the game (often). There's a contradiction in what he says, but I can believe him not noticing it (if he considered that lurkers lurk for the whole game, while he would only lurk for D1).
Clearly I care about the lynch, since I've been pressuring all game. It's the best way to get reactions. Should I just stick with one target like you've done? That's more scummy than changing your opinions and pressuring different players.
How would I be screwed? What? Nobody is pressuring me except you. And nobody else is really pressuring you yet, either.
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rayn, comment on this. Do you think what Artanis is saying makes any sense?
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Hmm. I stand by my point that my play has been pro-town and Corazon's has been slightly scummy / null at best. I fail to see why Artanis accuses me and defends Corazon in this situation. His tunnel vision could just be misguided town as wel, I guess. But he's experienced so I don't understand why he would do this as town.
Grackaroni, what's with your vote on rayn? And where did you go?
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On December 10 2013 23:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I suggest you both let each other do your own stuff and discuss other things as at least i think your rant is not going anywhere and other people are not feeling strongly in a way or another regarding your cases on each other.
purple, Grackster, Spaghetticus, Cora (when he comes back) -> far more better targets of discussion atm imo.
Unfortunately they're all AFK / lurking.
I'll need to look through their filters when I get back home though.
How would you analyze their play so far? (besides the obvious lackluster LSB-vote with purple)
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On December 11 2013 00:04 Spaghetticus wrote:
I'm right here.
Your scumreads are still XigXag and Corazon? Anything new?
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On December 11 2013 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni has not offered any insight into anything that has happened in this game. He did not comment on my "shitty case" before i asked him to. If he thinks the case in fact was shitty why would he not shoot it down in the first place? Townies should not let shitty cases lie around because it distracts from actual scumhunting. Then he OMGUSes me (for what?) and leaves.
Spaghetticus is more interested in defending himself than contributing onto anything that's been going on in the game. He just pops in and gives some irrelevant comments about something.
Cora needs to answer Plutarch's case on him.
I think i've been pretty clear in what i think about purple.
Hm. That seems to mirror my thoughts pretty well. I'll have to reread yet though.
What about Kush? I think that, weirdly enough, he's started to move from the policy lynch category into somewhat useful. That list post though... So easy for Mafia to do something like that. So pretty null for now IMO.
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On December 11 2013 00:20 Spaghetticus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 00:12 Xatalos wrote:On December 11 2013 00:04 Spaghetticus wrote:
I'm right here.
Your scumreads are still XigXag and Corazon? Anything new? Other than thinking slam scum, and Reyn town, not really. A few more slight scum reads but nothing worth mentioning. I'm up to p.26 of my reread.
I'd be interested to hear these scumreads.
Do catch up with the thread as well, though.
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On December 11 2013 00:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 00:18 Xatalos wrote:On December 11 2013 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni has not offered any insight into anything that has happened in this game. He did not comment on my "shitty case" before i asked him to. If he thinks the case in fact was shitty why would he not shoot it down in the first place? Townies should not let shitty cases lie around because it distracts from actual scumhunting. Then he OMGUSes me (for what?) and leaves.
Spaghetticus is more interested in defending himself than contributing onto anything that's been going on in the game. He just pops in and gives some irrelevant comments about something.
Cora needs to answer Plutarch's case on him.
I think i've been pretty clear in what i think about purple. Hm. That seems to mirror my thoughts pretty well. I'll have to reread yet though. What about Kush? I think that, weirdly enough, he's started to move from the policy lynch category into somewhat useful. That list post though... So easy for Mafia to do something like that. So pretty null for now IMO. What Vayne says about kush is most likely true. While i hate it i can't say he's scum for it. I would love to see something other than "these dudes are town because of activity" - even a piece of kush-logic-scumhunting. If he remains useless vigi's shoot him.
Well, he definitely has improved his posting from the start. I agree though, that his reads are somewhat superficial so far.
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I guess my vote is wasted on Artanis at the moment, as well. Though I'm still unsettled by his (lack of) logic so far.
##Unvote
Lynching purpletrator seems fine based on his play so far. What I'm most bothered by is his completely aimless and apathetic playstyle. He has pretty much done nothing so far except throwing a vote on LSB, taking it back for some impossible-to-prove reason, and responding to some questions. Is he really trying to find scum? Doesn't look like it.
It's time for a Wagon of Justice.
##Vote purpletrator
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On December 11 2013 00:55 Corazon wrote:
In class. Read up to page 34
Plutarch is Marv because all Marv does is tunnel me whenever we are town together. You should just disregard everything he says about me tbh
HF is confirmation biased and refuses to push anyone else besides me. Play the game
Don't call Artanis scum for being right.
Still want Xatalos lynch, he's squirmed his way out of answering my case and refuses to reveal his thought process behind his town play, other than calling it town play
When I was talking about HF/purple, they were people I would lynch if Xatalos lynch doesn't fall through.
Will explain more later
What do you mean by "refuses to reveal his thought process"? Ask and I shall answer. Though my thoughts should be clear from the thread.
Not much worth replying to in your earlier case. I can go through it when I get home, I guess.
Holyflare? Really? Why is he scum? This just seems like an OMGUS war by you.
And Artanis is town for agreeing with you... Right..
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On December 10 2013 11:46 Corazon wrote:Xalatos Case So I'm still trying to understand the case meta. My newest attempt to get people to read my cases will be to put it in TL;DR and spoiler the proof/bigger arguments. TL;DR to why Xalatos is scum: 1. Has attacked myself, Slam, Kush, purple, Artanis, and rayn. this game. If he was trying to solve the game and was changing his mind, this would be ok. However, he is just throwing baseless accusations and votes around. 2. Using faulty logic to falsely attack me and justifies it as "aggression", then takes pains to point out that his "aggression" is his town meta. 3. Jumped on the bandwagon Plutarch started and was the first to vote for me, sensing a bandwagon forming. Filter dive (the actual case): + Show Spoiler +On December 10 2013 06:17 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 06:07 Plutarch wrote:On December 10 2013 06:02 Corazon wrote:
I just want to let you all know that I have some English work to do in the next two days so don't expect me to be super-active....
....If you are town and you are lurking, expect to be under the gun during the game and expect me to not be very nice to you post-game. I will be weighing activity a lot heavier in my voting decision this game than I have in the past. You all are warned. If you are going to take a sieste the entire time and not participate, I am going to be on you until you do so.
That is all. I see some dissonance between your first point and your second. Why would you be so inclined towards policy on low activity players when you have just acknowledged that people can be town and not be active? Perhaps as you say you only require town to be active and you are, in fact, scum? Indeed that's a starting post leaning on the scummy side. 1) Why mention these time restraints right after receiving the role PM rather than... before the game started maybe? 2) Focusing on policy/lurker lynching (the easiest target for Mafia). 3) Overall a pretty careful and and meek post with no content, yet managing to look reasonable on the first glance (somewhat) Looks like this game is starting well. These are really bad reasons to be focusing on me. His first point is WIFOM, his second point shows that he fails to think about why I would say that, and his third post is a blatant lie because of the nature of the beginning of the game. This looks like scum trying to jump on an easy lynch early. On December 10 2013 06:25 Xatalos wrote:May I ask... Where did you disappear to? This is the kind of non-contribution that Mafia love to make. Especially combined with fading to the background right after that. He makes this post right after attacking me. If he was town, he would be focusing on one read and trying to work with me instead of side-tracking himself on Slam. Also, didn't he just say I was scummy for talking about lurkers and non-contributors? He just contradicted himself. On December 10 2013 07:10 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 07:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 10 2013 07:04 Alakaslam wrote:On December 10 2013 07:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I don't like Xatalos right now and I'm curious if anyone sees what I see before I say why. Gladly oblige. Quick to hop on someone really really unreasonably early and with not the greatest logic in the world? My behavior right off is worse but he votes cora I am so bad I am useful to scum in the lategame, so he would rather mislynch cora who though not perfect, is definitely better at being town than me. Probably not exactly your point but I think you are also seeing the quick to lynch attitude. And the slightly unreasonable aggressiveness. I'm seeing a scattershot that's flinging poo everywhere and found someone to whom it will stick. I don't feel like he's trying to discern anyone's alignment, but rather start chaos and find a nice lynch target. ##Vote Xatalos Well, that's one way to look at it. The other is that I'm always relatively aggressive as town. This just screams to me of "hey, look how townie I am!". Xalatos is hoping that the town does not understand the difference between aggression and shit-flinging. His logic is bad (which I've proven) and his opinions are completely wrong because he just wants to paint me as scum by twisting the facts. He is trying to justify his shit-flinging by saying that it makes him town and that he does not like slow D1s. It's really suspicious in my eyes. He also made a post where he attacked me for being defensive. It's really hypocritical to say that because I've had to defend myself from the shit-flinging from him and HF. He's just looking for ways to kick me while I'm down and say "hey guys, I have a developed scum read!" when in fact he is just reaching for things to call me scummy. You guys have all seen the posts of him attacking others. He attacked Rayn for sleeping. WTF is that? Why call Rayn (someone who spams in every game he is in) a lurker because he was sleeping? That accomplishes nothing and it just shows he is trying to attack people for the sake of getting town credit. Unlike Xalatos, who will throw his vote around willy-nilly, I'm ready to lynch this guy.
1) None of my accusations have been "baseless". They've all been part of a bigger picture (pressuring players to make the game to focus on scumhunting faster) and backed with reasoning (contentless posting, active lurking, etc.).
2) Falsely attack you...? It was normal pressure for opening like you did (no content despite a somewhat lengthy opening post) and you continued with OMGUS -> disappearing for a long time. You seem to take this very personally. Perhaps you have a guilty conscience.
3) It wasn't really a bandwagon. Plutarch just questioned you a bit, I took it further and put on some real pressure. That's how you get reactions. And you did react with OMGUS on me/Holyflare/Plutarch and then leaving the thread for a long time... Not exactly what I'd expect from a townie.
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On December 11 2013 02:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:I'm gonna step back from posting on Xata since no one seems to be reading it anyway and everything's already been said. Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 01:58 bumatlarge wrote:
Spaghetti man is pretty mafia. I'd lynch him if pandain was here. Kushmasta seems super silly. If you have to (/green) things this early that aren't questions to the host, you are playing badly.
##Vote Pandain What makes Spaghetti mafia to you?
Do you really think I'm a lynch candidate for today? Who else would you vote for if it's fruitless to vote for me? I think you mentioned purple. What do you think of this purple wagon?
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Spag, have you catched up with the thread? What about those slight scumreads that you mentioned?
By the way, this post made me think you're more likely town:
On December 10 2013 22:59 Spaghetticus wrote:
@Kush
Could you give insight into why you think the following people are green:
- Spaghetticus
- Xatalos
- Corazon
- Purpletrator
I'm on the list because while I know my alignment, it seems fairly unanimous that I've done little to demonstrate it.
It just seems counter-intuitive to bring pressure on yourself like that for no real reason.
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