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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
December 16 2013 17:02 GMT
#2604
Oh yeah

##Vote: xigxag
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
December 17 2013 00:17 GMT
#2651
On December 17 2013 04:49 LSB wrote:
Commenting on Artanis vs Xatalos
Artanis- I'm gonna pin down Artanis as not maifa for right now. The main reasoning is his case on Xatalos is not bullshit, and it's the only half-decent case I have seen atm. Not to say that it is good, there are many points in which is disagre on, however more on that later.

Xatalos- Horrible horrible day one play. I'm going to flag his as red atm for this and this alone. The main reasoning stands from in part, my reversal of this stance
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 07:36 LSB wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:21 LSB wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:17 LSB wrote:
I think we need to calm down. My "townie on townie day 1 shitstorm" sense is tingling.

That speaking, oddly enough it does encourage a Xatalos lynch

Whom do you feel are townies from this and why? It hasn't really been one on one. It's been HF and Xatalos against Cora, and myself, Alakaslam and you against Xatalos. If you feel it's townie on townie, then you'd think Xatalos was town.

So far I think I am townie, I haven't really thought past that. I just don't think this day 1 attitude is gonna be very productive.

The whole entire Xatalos suspicion does require a meta read on Xatalos to see if he is brilliant enough to try for the plan on day 1, or does he just play like this.

I just skimmed through the filter he linked and I don't think it looks like the start of this game at all. He's far more aggressive here. What were you trying to say exactly with your initial post if you didn't mean to give anyone a town read but yourself? I'm confused. I don't think a plan other than "starting shit" is required for scum. That's always a good thing.

In my opinion natural scum play is to stay low, especially on day 1, the town tends to self destruct anyways day 1. This whole entire "starting shit" strat is actually pretty good, even though it is counterintuitive to the idea of trying to not draw attention. Thus I assumed this strat is not very obvious, especially since I personally never considered it.

This is all pure speculation. Something more grounded is that Xatalos is definably acting very different from before, and in my eyes less of a townie

I am going to first off start off by retracting part of this analysis. After hosting some voice mafia I'm going to say the easiest way to play scum is the powerplay. Be super active and ask lots of question, pouncing on anything that anyone can deem scummily.

Compared to GoT where Xatalos was town, Xatalos is far less conservative in his red reads. His hyperaggressiveness certainly has not helped the town which has suffered heavily from all of the flame.

+ Show Spoiler +
You may ask. "Why LSB didn't you bother lynching him day 2 for it, now you are just bandwagoning" and I will reply "I waz busy and didn't read". And then you ask "But LSB you never read don't you" and I will ask "Can you link me the game we are playing so I can read and then awnser your question"


Alakaslam
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2013 05:58 Alakaslam wrote:
Dude no

##un
[]%## vote xigxag


So why did he do this?
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2013 06:37 Alakaslam wrote:
On December 15 2013 06:33 VayneAuthority wrote:
On December 15 2013 06:31 Alakaslam wrote:
On December 15 2013 06:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
k now some one try and explain what alakaslam just tried to do, plz.

Tried to make sure you were lynched before LSB if it was gonna be those wagons. I didn't have confidence in Rayne, his word is now strong with me.


doesn't explain this

On December 15 2013 06:02 VayneAuthority wrote:
On December 15 2013 05:54 Alakaslam wrote:
On December 15 2013 05:52 JarJarDrinks wrote:
@Alakaslam what r u doing w/ ur vote?

Making sure if it is equal between vayne and LSB it winds up being vayne. I would prefer purple and cig.


and then you and purple vote to try and kill me.



You preferred purple and saw that purple was about to be lynched, then in tandem with purple tried to last second kill me.

I switched to xigxag and had been defending you all day, how do you arrive at that conclusion? You are emo tunneled like jarjardrinks was emo tunneling you.

So apparently Alakaslam thinks that both XigXag and purpletrator are mafia, so he switches his vote off of purpletrator onto XigXag minutes before the deadline so VayneAuthority the person who he has a green read on, will be lynched.

Alakaslam is clearly lying and tried a last minute save of his teammate

Current Scum Team Reads willing to bandwagon anyone in this list who is put up to the lynch:
Xatalos/SideSprang/Alakaslam/purpletrator

##Unvote
##Vote: Xatalos

There has to be a fallacy in here because you tell me I'm lying in here when I'm not

But lynchig me before lylo is better than then. Not gonna fight this too hard, I'm just vt.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
December 17 2013 00:18 GMT
#2652
On December 17 2013 03:57 LSB wrote:
Also, anyone have any idea why Kushmasta was killed? I don't think it is a coincidence that we got two medics blue sniped on us.

I'm just reading his filter and incredibly confused

SK doesn't care who he kills.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
December 17 2013 00:26 GMT
#2654
On December 17 2013 03:38 Blazinghand wrote:
LIKE REALLY MAN THINK ABOUT IT. for all we know xigxag's posts would be way scummier than LSB's, but WE DONT KNOW. WE DONT BECAUSE HES NOT POSTING.

nobody has a townread on xigxag. You want to know why? the motherflipper has been lurking. We can't rely on a cop in a game with 2 docs and a vigi. We can't rely on anything but the lynch, our best and first tool for destroying scum. You want xig around in LYLO? cuase that's what's gonna happen unless we lynch him before then. Scum sure as dicks aint gonna shoot him. SK won't shoot him since he doesn't know whether he's shooting scum or town when he shoots xig.

Xigxag will make it to lylo unless we stop him. The ONLY argument against lynching him that makes sense is "I think he'll get modkilled" but even then we can't rely on it, he is playing to avoid getting modkilled. Everyone's like "well I don't have a scumread on him" but shitake mushrooms, man, that ain't gonna change. What you think he's gonna somehow do something that makes him a townread for you? If so I got a bridge to sell you, real cheap, I promise.

Lynch Xigxag. it's the only move. Everyone talks about how we should lynch out the lurkers to avoid BS like this but nobody has the cojones to do it.

come on guys. have cojones. make the right play for once.

I'm way ahead of this

Yet I'm scum for getting suspicious of last minute shenannies and doing literally last minute vote switching TO XIGXAG. That did nothing.

I just don't get it. I thought last minute wagons were scummy, for one, and for another, I thought your vote shows where you stand.

What happened or why was I lead to believe this stuff?
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
December 17 2013 00:29 GMT
#2655
On December 17 2013 06:50 Blazinghand wrote:
I don't like that as a reason. If I had a strong scumread on alak (since even if xata is town, alak's actions are scummy) and a weaker (unflipped associative!) scumread on Xata, I'd push and vote alak rather than xata, and just say i'm open to the option of lynching xata. It's not like there's 2 hours left to the lynch, and your only option is the consolidate; why not lynch the guy who you think is more likely to flip scum?

even the so-called "wagon" on xata has only 2 votes. i don't get why you're not playing this like you did here (link). I'd like a better explanation than you just gave.

You all know still nobody has explained how that is scummy? Or maybe you do know but feel it isn't worth explaining? Or I have CONF bias about my own alignment and am blind to the points others are making?

The heck is wrong with this time around?
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
December 17 2013 00:38 GMT
#2659
On December 17 2013 09:30 Blazinghand wrote:
a last minute vote to a wagon that's not happening is opting out of the discourse.

Then I opted out of the discourse because I got suspicious of Rayne's snap wagon.

As scum. I "knew" the bus was going down when I initially voted purple. You guys take me for a fool scum? You're kidding me, grab dat towncred with both hands. No way I'm giving up being part of a bus, to defend a teammate who is clearly getting suspicious enough for the snapwagon to happen anyway. If I was as knowledgable about the implications of the switch as you all imply with my "lie" then I would have known it didn't save purple and would not have done it.

I take this as an insult to my scum play.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
December 17 2013 00:40 GMT
#2660
Let alone if he was goon, I would be a pr. Lol! Lynch that plebeian with fire and fury!
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
December 17 2013 00:56 GMT
#2665
Lab has been as I hoped.

Not really misconstruing even as bad as I would expect town to.

I'm up for xigxag exclusivo.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
December 17 2013 00:58 GMT
#2666
On December 17 2013 09:49 LSB wrote:
@Blazing, I don't feel like repeating myself. I believe what you are trying to ask is "why aren't you playing like me?" or more indirectly I think you are trying to figure out "If I am just bandwagoning the major targets". My main answer is I am more interested in getting the people I think that are scum lynched. Thus my answer is yes. I will bandwagon the person who I feel is most likely to be lynch if that will get them lynched.

Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 09:38 Alakaslam wrote:
On December 17 2013 09:30 Blazinghand wrote:
a last minute vote to a wagon that's not happening is opting out of the discourse.

Then I opted out of the discourse because I got suspicious of Rayne's snap wagon.

As scum. I "knew" the bus was going down when I initially voted purple. You guys take me for a fool scum? You're kidding me, grab dat towncred with both hands. No way I'm giving up being part of a bus, to defend a teammate who is clearly getting suspicious enough for the snapwagon to happen anyway. If I was as knowledgable about the implications of the switch as you all imply with my "lie" then I would have known it didn't save purple and would not have done it.

I take this as an insult to my scum play.


This is the full explanation
Show nested quote +
So apparently Alakaslam thinks that both XigXag and purpletrator are mafia, so he switches his vote off of purpletrator onto XigXag minutes before the deadline so VayneAuthority the person who he has a green read on, will be lynched.

Alakaslam is clearly lying and tried a last minute save of his teammate

This assumes I believed vayne would wind up being the target.

That is the fallacy. I don't think I knew that at the time. Either I knew it wouldn't change anything or I thought it had a chance or neither, I simply panicked.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
December 17 2013 01:03 GMT
#2668
On December 17 2013 10:01 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 09:54 Blazinghand wrote:
I like your explanation for why alak is scum, I just think that it still applies even if Xata is town.

Like let me phrase it this way

Imagine all possible worlds in which Alak is town. In some of those worlds, Xata is also scum, but it not ALL of those possible worlds. Xata's scumminess seems to be (at least via your thought process; I could be wrong) a function of alak's scumminess, which means it's less likely Xat is scum than Alak

Both of my cases are independent of each other. So it doesn't apply in this case

But yes, should one of my cases be dependent on the other being scum (A is scum if B is scum) (ie PYP mafia day 3) I am more willing to lynch B first, and then A.

I'd prefer we stop this discussion simply because it has little relevance to what is actually going on in this game. I am more than happy to take it to PMs or postgame if you want to chat about optimal mafia play. Should you wish to defend Xata I am all ears

Please don't take that to PM's. I think some could observe, and learn.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
December 17 2013 01:10 GMT
#2671
On December 17 2013 10:04 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 09:58 Alakaslam wrote:
On December 17 2013 09:49 LSB wrote:
@Blazing, I don't feel like repeating myself. I believe what you are trying to ask is "why aren't you playing like me?" or more indirectly I think you are trying to figure out "If I am just bandwagoning the major targets". My main answer is I am more interested in getting the people I think that are scum lynched. Thus my answer is yes. I will bandwagon the person who I feel is most likely to be lynch if that will get them lynched.

On December 17 2013 09:38 Alakaslam wrote:
On December 17 2013 09:30 Blazinghand wrote:
a last minute vote to a wagon that's not happening is opting out of the discourse.

Then I opted out of the discourse because I got suspicious of Rayne's snap wagon.

As scum. I "knew" the bus was going down when I initially voted purple. You guys take me for a fool scum? You're kidding me, grab dat towncred with both hands. No way I'm giving up being part of a bus, to defend a teammate who is clearly getting suspicious enough for the snapwagon to happen anyway. If I was as knowledgable about the implications of the switch as you all imply with my "lie" then I would have known it didn't save purple and would not have done it.

I take this as an insult to my scum play.


This is the full explanation
So apparently Alakaslam thinks that both XigXag and purpletrator are mafia, so he switches his vote off of purpletrator onto XigXag minutes before the deadline so VayneAuthority the person who he has a green read on, will be lynched.

Alakaslam is clearly lying and tried a last minute save of his teammate

This assumes I believed vayne would wind up being the target.

That is the fallacy. I don't think I knew that at the time. Either I knew it wouldn't change anything or I thought it had a chance or neither, I simply panicked.

You did it 2 minutes before the deadline... and at the same time as Purpletrator...

Next game, do it 1 minute before the deadline and you might be able to pull it off

Well good on purple.

If you panicked and did that as town and can't quite remember why, except to point out where you stand, do you know what you would say to this argument? Because, if not I want your help defending myself post game. People are gonna go all vayne on me I dot know why I do this stuff.

Quote coming will explain what I mean.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
December 17 2013 01:11 GMT
#2672
On December 10 2013 16:33 VayneAuthority wrote:
I will say though that playing as scum last game you probably realize that Slam basically adds another scum to the game as either alignment. So I'm fine with lynching him regardless unless something very convincing goes down.

If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
December 17 2013 01:12 GMT
#2673
I swear I don't do that on purpose, this shi stuff just happens. I swear I thought it was a pro town move somehow.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
December 17 2013 01:15 GMT
#2675
That solves that then.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
December 17 2013 01:17 GMT
#2676
Anyway I think regardless xigxag out. Until further notice.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
December 17 2013 01:28 GMT
#2678
On December 17 2013 10:26 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 04:18 Xatalos wrote:
Fine then. Let's see if he comes back to post now.

##Vote XigXag


This is why Xatalos is SK/Mafia.

Xatalos is clearly invested in the game due to how much he has been posting, yet he has not once seemed to be invested in the outcome of the lynch and has only sheeped.

He has made reads but has never really pushed them to be lynched and has instead followed some other lynch.

Xatalos is scum and needs to die today.

Before a lurker lynch then...

How did I townread him?

You are sure he has only ever sheeped?
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
December 17 2013 01:29 GMT
#2679
^^man I am freaking scummy if he is scum.

Even if he isn't that post


Hijole
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
December 17 2013 01:34 GMT
#2681
On December 17 2013 10:30 LSB wrote:
Welp coag just got banned

That happened a while ago.

Why, is the duration more than a day?
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
December 17 2013 01:37 GMT
#2683
It was 2 days. Well that is a modkill.

Well.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
December 17 2013 01:38 GMT
#2684
On December 17 2013 10:37 sidesprang wrote:
nah he just got banned

Link to post

I dont know how long the bans are for, trying to find now.

At the bottom of the left hit "closed threads"

Right at the top
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