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I am still going to pick [1] [1] , i hope if you are town you won't pick it, because i will devote the game into killing whoever does pick [1] [1] with me. :p OdinOfPergo should pick [2] [1] and noone else should do that. I am goot at this shit and i suggest you guys listen to me. Last PYP my plan failed because of some retarded townies went "i sent in my picks already and i am not gonna change it, so stfu" - wfter i had assigned 6 people into numbers 1-6. all of those people were town. I'll update the list as i find more townies. | ||
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On November 30 2013 15:56 VisceraEyes wrote: Rayn do you think the Amumu suggestion is scummy? I don't think it's necessarily scummy, just not well thought out. I don't think the Godfather should be banned. I think it should be denied in top ~8 players instead. | ||
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On November 30 2013 16:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Ehhhhh....yeah sure. I haven't played with him at all to my recollection, but he seems to be actually thinking about the game in a way that doesn't seem even remotely designed to "appear contributory". If his activity drops when actual stuff is in the thread ask me again, but I'll say he looks town right now. Quite an interesting read.. What separates him from other people who are thinking about the game, like jay or Johnnylaw? | ||
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In this post from jay there is some things that bother me: On November 30 2013 13:55 jaybrundage wrote: Just finished reading up on abilities so many :o I want to ban graves he can only cause confusion. ##Ban Graves Also guys do we have any specfic draft plan we wanna set up. I guess we would want the scummiest people to go on the bottom of the draft and have the towniest people go on top so we can make it more likely that town can get the good roles first. Ofc we should all be open about our draft number and write them in the thread so we dont have any mix up. What yall think? :o ILL BE BACH (after sleep) 1) Overlined stuff. Why include it? Just fucking check your facts straight and then write a post. 2) A lot of wishy-washyness and no real conclusions. When the post ends with "what do you guys think" it's a same thing than not writing a post at all.. | ||
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JohnnyLaw [3] [1]. This is gonna be easy. :p | ||
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I'm some dude called Wh1t3zZ. | ||
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Also Y U so scummy and laid back and insecure? | ||
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On November 30 2013 16:53 JonnyLaw wrote: I legitimately think mummy' scary. The longer the game goes the stronger he can become with antivote potentially. I'm down to hear other ideas and like I said I'll be around for a good while before voting finishes. The scope of this game is huge so I'm starting somewhere beyond Yorick and Graves. What's a better option? Talon/Graves/Yorick? I don't get why talon gets off so easily. Explain this to me. Not wanting to ban Talon because only "bad scum" or whatever words Odin used doesn't make sense to me. So if we get lucky and bad scum get talon we lynch them. If not, they fuck us? Anyway, I'm getting boozy and need to sleep. We should ban the janitor, framer and the delay flip dude. GF should be denied and not banned. As i said the anti-vote is not that scary and there are roles that counter it pretty well. I would not go into them yet because mafia bans roles too and i don't want to give them info about what to do. However; If we ban the framer and deny the GF scum kinda need to ban investigative roles (at least a couple of them) unless they want to have legit checks running left and right. There are other roles/combos which are far better than investigative roles and having scum banning inv's over them is far better for the town. That's how we should proceed. I think it's the best way to go. JohnnyLaw do you have any strong reads at the moment? I'd put VE in [31] [31] atm. <3 | ||
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On November 30 2013 17:24 VisceraEyes wrote: Cool story bros. So Talon/Yorik/Graves somewhere banning inside this vicinity. Thanks. rayn I'm not talking about trying to "deny" GF, I want GF outta my town. I can make this happen with a ban. So you are gonna ban it over what? Delayed flips? Janitor? Framer? Tell me why any of those roles is less dangerous than a GF? | ||
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Who would you give top 5 pick spots (not including yourself) atm? | ||
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On November 30 2013 17:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: In no particular order, yourself pergo and jonny, don't really have more except perhaps for sandro since it's sandro and he seems to be not afk. Actually would like to see jonny number one atm but I shy away from these sorts of lists considering how early on it is in the game. Sounds really good, except for Sandroba. I think he was jsut posting general stuff about "bad roles for the town" and being very wishy-washy about it (like jay was) ending the post in "what do you guys think" -> gave no real opinion. | ||
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I like geript. Have him as town atm. | ||
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VE, gtrsrs, jay, supersoft? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + [1] [1] raynpelikoneet - obv town [2] [1] OdinOfPergo - unless changed his meta 100% town. [3] [1] JonnyLaw - making plans, although they were a bit meh, usually this early it's a town tell. [4] [1] Rean - aggressive and posting feels genuine. [5] [1] geript - probably town for this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=13#247 Starts scumhunting asap and noticed jay's terribad post. [6] [1] Meapak_Ziphh - good town reads (except for Sandroba) here; http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=17#338 jcarlsoniv onlywonderboy Roffles BloodyC0bbler Risen Kenpachi Bill Murray Kurumi StorrZerg Mig marvellosity justanothertownie bumatlarge nyxnyxnyx Mocsta - wants to ban the trap role-cop. why? it's a strong role for the town and not so for scum (because passive). Koshi - wants to ban the 3-way KP role. bad, really bad, that's a good role. austinmcc - posted some fluff shit Oatsmaster - posted some fluff shit, also posting in LXIII but not in PYP. Why? ticklishmusic - wants to ban the GF. says nothing else, no reasoning or whatever. Another bad post here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=14#263 If he is not a newbie i'd say scum. [27] [1] sandroba - leaning scum for this post that ends up in "what do you guys think". give opinion if you are thinking something: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=13#251 [28] [1] supersoft - fucking idiotic "let the vets pick first" plan again. you're dumb or scum. horrible post about ban strategy. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=13#241 [29] [1] jaybrundage - bad wishywashy opening post, pointed it out here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=17#322 [30] [1] gtrsrs - terrible opening post, didn't comment on anything discussed http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=17#333 [31] [1] VisceraEyes - in the beginning said nothing at all, laid back and insecure. | ||
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On November 30 2013 18:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: notes on your notes: Firstly, thanks for having the posts linked. I don't think we'll agree on sandro atm, I agree my reasons are bad, but it's picking the shinniest of the turds atm. It's only a few hours into the game so I think the best thing is to let it develop more. VE is always insecure. Like literally always. You may be right about sandro being scum but if there's one thing I can tell you in a game of mafia is when VE is town. One thing I think people need to watch for is supersoft's aggression level, because if he gets the KP he wants he will suddenly get hyper aggressive. This isn't necessarily alignment indicative but who he threatens will be. I think jay would be a decent early lynch target. Finally, as much as I think you're probably town right now, I strongly caution you against making a pick order like this. You can't control if the people towards the end pick lower numbers and fuck over your entire plan. A variant of this plan is trotted out every PYP game because inevitably the people who are last pick higher. Not because they're scum but because they joined a PYP game to play fun roles. Also while it's simple in theory to figure out who broke the plan, it's always much harder in practice. I will refrain from sending in my numbers and see if you can get people on board with your plan but I just wanted to caution you of the downsides. I know the pick order plan won't most likely succeed because there are always some idiots who won't agree to any plan. However that's my plan and i'll go with it, people agree or they don't, i don't care. As i said i am pretty good in finding townies and in last PYP game i would have assigned 6/6 townies in top of the picking order based on the first ~18h of the game. I can read VE well too i think. town!VE is not wishy-washy. VE here is wishy-washy as hell. I asked him about his playername. He did not give an answer. He had no real opinions on anything, he "maybe thought" some people were town for some reasons. He's also not "happy" as he usually is. I would expect him to be more interested in the game than he is atm. I am not confident in my reads on supersoft and Sndroba but that's where i stand atm. | ||
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On November 30 2013 18:11 bumatlarge wrote: Assisted KP roles. They are stronger with partners. Seems abusable for mafia, but not town. I'm thinking Urgot, Graves, Nocturne > Janna and Heimer, but I'd like to know who would be getting those roles rather then someone sniping them. I also disagree with this. Assisted KP-roles are a good tell. Mafia won't want to (if they get the role) give turrets etc to town unless they are sure that townie will hit another townie. Therefore watchers and trackers in addition to these roles and people's reads are terrific. Assisted KP roles in game is far better than info-denying roles like framer or janitor. | ||
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You're quite obviously town. | ||
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We should definitely ban framer and janitor, that's a no-brainer. I do not get why people want to ban KP-roles. They are good in town's hands and in addition with tracker/watcher or cops they help the town even if scum are able to pick them. Dirsct KP towards strong townreads -> most likely scum. Lynch scum with a KP role that has been used towards someone -> town-read. etc etc. I don't think anything in that post is good or pro-town. Do you have any reads atm supersoft? I would like you to comment on my greens/reds and if you have something to add on other people. | ||
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Odin has serious issues with playing scum. So unless he has totally taken an 180 approach into how he plays as scum he has to be town. Rean is kinda new in TL, i think he has played one(?) game where he replaced out (still ongoing). I don't think he would be that aggressive as scum. geript has the most pro-town posts in thread. I put JonnyLaw as green because usually in PYP games peopl who are making plans early on (possibly not scum cooperation yet) are town. In last PYP game i played there were ~8 people who were making picking plans. All of them were town besides VE whose plan was like "let's not ever use KP-roles" lol. I downgraded MZ, he's not in my greens any more. I liked his reads early on but when we talked about them i did not like the reasoning behind what we talked about and what he did not talk about.. It's also strage he would give Jonny #1 spot. Why not himself? He's supposed to be confirmed town to himself. How about the reds? Have anything to say about them? | ||
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On November 30 2013 20:02 Oatsmaster wrote: you said sandro is scum for xxx reasons. Which is kinda wrong because sandro wont even post more than once or twice if hes scum. Whats wrong with SS's vet plan? So you have not read anything. check. The problem with assigning vets to top picks is that we should assign townies to top picks. Anything else is idiotic. | ||
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On November 30 2013 20:06 Oatsmaster wrote: So you dont think you can read the vets well enough? And what exactly am I not reading Rayn? Of course i can. Read again. I am tired of arguing with you already because you are not making any sense. | ||
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On November 30 2013 20:10 supersoft wrote: you both didnt read well, since it was OBVIOUSLY an example and not an exact plan. Okay i misunderstood that then. Doesn't change the fact that Oats is horrible as if and when we both misread he is making zero sense by saying the following: "rayn does not trust his ability to read the vets and therefore does not want them to be in top of the draft" when i am saying: "we should assign drafts by who is towniest and not by who are vets" that has nothing to do with my ability/inability to read vets. | ||
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Out of these the 3 I want to face the least are Yorick, because hiding alignment is too powerful and can cause a lot of confusion; Graves because eliminating alignment reversal can make a red check reliable; Tryndamere because of possibility of mass killing. No Talon here in top 3.. | ||
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On November 30 2013 20:30 supersoft wrote: why would anyone take him and claim that he used him? Because it's not like you don't know they used it. Someone moves up 5 spots on the list and people in that frame take damage = lynch. EZPZ. | ||
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Oh it was "up to 5 spots". Anyways, we should probably agree to not pick any of the powers that allows moving or move other players in player list. In that way if the roles are picked we can narrow them donw to scum. The "is this role in the game" can then check those roles and we just lynch the players that are assinged with those roles. Quite simple. Scum feel free to pick those roles, it becomes an instant scumclaim if you are one of those roles. It would be good to ban those roles but i think it's better to ban info-denying roles and handle those player-movers that way. Or if someone wants to deny those roles just pick it, claim it, and never use it. | ||
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On November 30 2013 20:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Why do you not want to engage me if you think Im scum? Dont you care about what I think at all? You dont seem to be making any effort at all to have a back and forth conversation, instead preferring to snip at people and act all angry. I don't want to have a back and forth conversation with you about something that's stupid because you are misrepresenting me in the first place. I am not angry at all, that's another misrepresentation. If you are planning on talking about dumb stuff i couldn't care less to talk with you. My read on marv is based on the fact that his entrance was terribly weak. It's not a strong read and again you misrepresent me with your question. If i say i "feel like" someone is scum that's definitely not a strong read and if you are able to somehow twist it into what it looks like idk what to say. | ||
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On November 30 2013 20:58 Oatsmaster wrote: So basically Im wrong about your read on Sandro? In what way exactly? How is marv's entrance week? What do you think it would be like as town? I don't get why you think Sandroba has contributed anything. You say scum!Sandro does not post much at all. What Sandro did was gave a list of roles that anyone with a half of brain could have told are bad / dangerous if used wrong. Then he commented something irrelevant and said "cya in 36h ktxhbye". So yeah, not the most townie posts imo and by your definition of his town!meta i do not think it fits. I would have expected more from marv. He just delurked, said he hasn't read the thread and then put his ban-vote on obvious ban role. Then he bitched about supersoft's read on BC in LXIII and compared it to this game. What? Does that make ss town? scum? wtf? | ||
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On November 30 2013 21:06 Oatsmaster wrote: I say scum sandro posts like 1-2 posts, not like almost 10 or something. Read properly. You said marv was scummy before he bitched about SS's read though. Why would scum marv do something so 'bad'? Oh god. This is so annoying Oats.. If scum!sandro is not competent enough to make 10 posts about setup fluff in a game where you could talk about the setup for 100 days and there are no "obviously correct" answers then i do not believe he is a good player as town aswell. This discussion is dumb already. About marv. Did you even read my post? I said his entrance was weak and i would have expected him to at least read the thread before posting ffs. How hard is that to understand? After he posted more my read on him strengthened. Why would he make "bad" posts as town? wtf are you talking about? Making bad posts is a town-tell for marv in your opinion? | ||
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I honestly don't give a fuck if you lynch me. I couldn't care less because lately TL town have been absolutely crap. Me + Risen should get top 2 spots and then we just shoot stupidity. That's the best plan. | ||
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Now we can all go back to "let's ban the framer role" and make 100 posts about it. cya later, still picking [1][1]. | ||
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I have no clue about sandro but he sure is not helping atm if he is town. | ||
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Am i confident in saying he is scum atm? No, but i don't get any townvibes from him either. If you are suggesting my reads are strong at this point (like you are implying) then idk what to tell you, but the correct way is definitely not to shut down all discussion regarding certain people just because you feel like i am not allowed to have a scumread on someone for some shitty reason. | ||
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No i think they are scummy until they start doi8ng osmething that actually matters. There has been a ton of discussion about people's alignments and they have not taken any part in it. | ||
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On December 01 2013 00:33 Oatsmaster wrote: A ton meaning like less than the setup discussion? How do you expect to catch scum in this first phase if you think like this??? I was kinda thinking of catching scum like people normally do in games.. :p | ||
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Also i am picking [1][1]. I prolly won't get the first spot as Mocsta is apparently afk and said before the game he will do the same, but w/e. I suggest the following based on my townreads: [2][1] geript [3][1] OdinOfPergo [4][1] supersoft [5][1] JonnyLaw [6][1] Oatsmaster That's my plan. Everyone else can pick w/e, because they are not town enough or scummy. VE, Oats and Kurumi have dedicated the game into "let's bitch on rayn" but i don't care, let them do whatever they want. ^^ Good catch on Rean Oats, i didn't realize he was not new, as he hasn't played in a long time. | ||
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On December 01 2013 04:55 Koshi wrote: But Koshi sent in [2,1] Well those are my reads. If you don't like them argue against it or if you won't, pick [7][1] or smth. | ||
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On December 01 2013 04:57 marvellosity wrote: rayn, is it really worth spending 2 bans on alignment champions? what are the other choices? I think yes. If we have townies on top they can and will pick KP-roles etc other good roles for sure. Why ban some really good KP-role when you can just pick it as town? | ||
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You could argue that the inventor role should be denied because if scum pick it they can make horrible horrible inventions and punish town for it. Will scum pick it? Fuck no, because we will have townies in top of the draft. | ||
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On December 01 2013 05:05 marvellosity wrote: yeah I don't know, was just browsing down the list superfast and I didn't particularly see anything worth banning. And alignment roles were stronger than I thought. It kinda feels like maybe town will pick up KP roles to automatically take them away from mafia. I think the only KP role worth considering banning might be Warwick. I think framer & info-denying roles are worth banning because that way scum need to make a decision of letting cops be in game or ban them. Both scenarios are good for town because cops without ~100% guarantee are shit as you can always argue "but the framer/godfather blabla". If scum deny inv-roles, they leave more room for other strong roles. And info-denying roles + framer are roles that serve no purpose for townies to pick, they are roles that need to be denied but never used as town. Why not just ban them? | ||
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On December 01 2013 05:08 Risen wrote: That's an interesting mentality you have there rayn. I am pretty sure my top 5 townies list has all town atm. :p | ||
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On December 01 2013 05:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm gonna be gone for a bit so I sent my numbers in, [6] was one of them. Also rayn I'd like to hear an updated opinion on geript. geript is town. totally. | ||
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On December 01 2013 05:25 geript wrote: @Rayn. Graves is a bad ban choice. Scum banning cops will be irrelevant of whether Graves will be available. At best, Graves is a role which a low draft scum may pick up because town are highly unlikely to take it. That's not worth a ban. Banning a powerful KP ability to deny it from scum is better. We can pick the powerful KP-roles and use it as town. We can't use framer as town in any way. That's why it's a better ban. | ||
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Let's compare (i'll make it easy): Vigilante: town use: do not shoot (deny) if you dunno what to do, or shoot scum / scumread scum use: shoot town (you might get caught when claim / tracker / watcher) town use = good/null, scum use = bad for town/might get caught Framer/Janitor: town use: absolutely none (deny) scum use: pro-scum/might get caught (when claim / tracker / watcher) town use = bleh, scum use = bad for town/might get caught Conclusion: Pro-scum roles (info-denying/ -altering) are way worse for town than KP-roles. In addition to that, you can't even say "scum will pick these" because townies want them too. Which townie REALLY want's to be a framer and never do anything with the role? So yeah, argue as you will but info-denying / -altering roles are best for being banned. Period. | ||
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On December 01 2013 05:46 VisceraEyes wrote: This is easier said than done. I picked like 10/10 in the last PYP and ended up like 3rd pick or something. Coordinating to get picks is hard for mafia to do imo. You were 6th. Palmar and Caller owned 2 scum in D1 by being ~15th both. rofl. assuming you are talking about Broadwalk Empire. | ||
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On December 01 2013 12:01 jcarlsoniv wrote: Sounds like the perfect time for scum to want to be active and say stuff - the conversation never got much further than "what do we ban?" - there were related things, but nothing hugely in depth came into play - this is a scum's playground This dude needs to hang. I did try to talk about everything else but "what should we ban" discussion. Actually i was the only one who actually tried to talk about hunting scum. On December 01 2013 12:27 Koshi wrote: Looks like nobody picked the same numbers except rayn and Oats. And 6 people didn't send in a number... Explain. I am pretty sure Mocsta and supersoft picked [1][1] aswell. Why Oats did that aswell is a mystery to me. Koshi pick the inventor. | ||
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rayn made a plan. Noone even considered following it. Things discussed on the first 24h; some people think rayn is scum, some people think he is town, nothing else. cya on D1. | ||
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but don't worry, i think this means you are totally town! | ||
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I dont like marv. I have been in games with him where he plays an amazing scum. I would be totes fine with lynching him. He doesn't seem to care much and knowing how good a mafia player he is. He wont incriminate him self easily Is it just me not getting what you are saying or what? To me it seems like you are calling marv scum and then arguing why marv is not scum... | ||
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On December 02 2013 08:43 jcarlsoniv wrote: Well, explain to me how it goes after we pick and get the rest of the abilities. We then claim our full abilities? It's easy enough for scum to fake claim, and then they know everything, while we sit here wondering if someone lied about additional abilities. Then if some secondary abilities cause huge problems, we don't know who to hold accountable. All in all, it feels like scum gets too much info while we don't benefit as much. It doesn't matter because some roles are better than others anyways and getting townies the most amount of roles will help the town anyways because every role will be useful in some way. | ||
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On December 02 2013 08:50 LSB wrote: Where is my traitor role? Why can't I pick that? And why am I last pick again? Because you most likely did not send in any numbers. Why didn't you? Shame on you... :p | ||
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On December 02 2013 09:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Roles do not = alignment. Mass claiming roles really doesn't give anyone an idea of anyones alignment. And given the sheer fact every role has hidden shit Outing all that hidden shite is dumb. Mafia clearly didn't want to deal with dt roles this game and if anyones secret role info ends up being a dt why would you out that for mafia? Also people having x roles means any role that requires knowing someone elses role to activate or reach full power of said role gives mafia a huge advantage. It also lets mafia snipe more threatening roles to them more quickly and also makes it harder to determine peoples alignment given that they can shoot based off of "that role would suck to face" as opposed to offing people who are being solid townies, etc.. and thus throwing town into chaos. Claiming is situational and a mass claim does not help the town anywhere near as much as it helps mafia. This post is totally wrong but i don't really care because people won't follow the plan anyways. | ||
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On December 02 2013 09:27 LSB wrote: I wouldn't say it is totally wrong. Ever since town decided the best idea was to ban out the obvious mafia roles, which was a horrible idea because those would be easy mafia kills, roles do not = aliment. However, giving mafia the power roles free reign is an incredibly stupid idea and come day I will be roleclaiming and voting anyone who doesnt The point was to ban the roles so that mafia needs to ban the investigative roles which leaves more room for other good roles to be in the game. Investigations can't be trusted anyways unless townies deny framer/GF/etc. Did you even read the thread yet? | ||
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On December 02 2013 09:29 OdinOfPergo wrote: Rayn, I initially really liked your plan because of that fact. I'm only hesitant on it know because there are still a lot of people that aren't here... So what's the point in like 10% of us guessing and still ending up vanilla? Yeah there is no point. That's why i said i don't really care, there is not enough people.. :p And btw it was sandroba's plan, not mine. | ||
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On December 02 2013 09:34 LSB wrote: Nope, and that's the stupidest peace of logic I heard. Not only would mafia ban out the DT roles in the first place, DT roles are always valueable and are probably the easiest role to verity the alignment. Who was the major proponents so I know who to kill first? DT roles are a good pick for scum too, if i was scum in this game and the roles were there i would have totally picked a DT role. In addition to that the last three times i have as scum decided a frame target that player ended up being checked. I would assume other people are capable of framing decently aswell. | ||
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On December 02 2013 09:38 OdinOfPergo wrote: Wait, so you got a fancy teamname along with a player name? I'm jealous now. Probabaly SKT1. :p | ||
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On December 02 2013 09:40 OdinOfPergo wrote: Actually I think I mis-interpretted the meaning of your point there. You crumbed the team your player name is on by that? Actually i get that you didn't have a team name right? | ||
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On December 02 2013 09:43 OdinOfPergo wrote: my role pm did not include a team name. Which is why when I read Koshi's point list it makes me wonder. It's okay. I got a team name too. | ||
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On December 02 2013 09:48 gtrsrs wrote: i picked kha'zix please don't take my pick I'm pretty sure you won't get that role from your spot. But you can always try! | ||
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I fail to see how this is better than climing before the picking. Could you elaborate because imo the only difference is that we end up with more vanillas. | ||
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On December 02 2013 11:32 Mocsta wrote: Why so much hate on plans / vs / not plans. In the end we roll with whatever we get, just like any other game. Im not role claiming anyways. Got burnt by it last PYP where BM fake-claimed justice vigi. That's a pretty bad example because hosts flipped the roles into something they were not for scum which was ridiculous. He wasn't even a justice vig while technically he was. | ||
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On December 02 2013 11:41 Mocsta wrote: Were you in the game? I cant remember the details other than, yam + BM both went for JV. yeah BM got to be an "injustice-vigi" which would kill him if he did not shoot townies. rofl On N1 i tried to crumb you one of Snoman/OO got CPRdoc and is scum but you didn't get the crumb. :p | ||
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On December 02 2013 12:33 OdinOfPergo wrote: Also Rayn, due to LoL knowledge that I'm going to assume Shen's abilities are based off of.. You could have Vorpals..... dmg/heal a self shield? could be for others in purpose of mafia since you said you have a "scummy" ability or a global (Game wide?) reduced KP. which could go either way. There is also another effect on the other power i have. But the scummy one is that it absorbs 4 votes on the targeted player for the next 2 day phases. So yeah, really fucking scummy. | ||
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On December 02 2013 12:53 OdinOfPergo wrote: Oh and Rayn... you said "another ability" So do you mean to say you have a extra we haven't heard of or? Yes there is an extra effect in addition to that -4 votes thingy. It is sort of protection. I am planning on using that on a towniest guy on N1 as it's one shot. | ||
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In that way you guys are far from useless. | ||
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On December 02 2013 13:33 Mocsta wrote: Is this a pressure vote? I have him as null, I.e. pretty unmemorable. What stands out as scummy? He is insecure, does not do anything at all and calls me scum based on bullshit. | ||
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On December 02 2013 13:38 LSB wrote: Ya, I can confirm my role, I can move multiple spots too, shouldn't be too hard to verify my role claim I think Oats is town and jay is scum, that's why 1 spot would be good. ^^ | ||
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On December 02 2013 13:41 OdinOfPergo wrote: ooo Rayn do expand on Jay... My thoughts: Jay Also, I haven't brought this up yet becuase I haven't come to a strong conclusion... but I'll re-read tomorrow after I get home from work but I wanted to mention it now that the day has started.. I don't get the worse vibes from him, and I haven't looked into his meta at all. That being said though.. Anytime this case of scenarios happens I'm going to be iffy. Jay pulls the noob card a few times. Why as town would you want people to think you're not worth listening too? You mention several times that your new to PYP. Once... Mehhhhh bad tells but w/e... Twice..? Are you trying to discredit yourself to the rest of the town? I mean past that you're just trying to have opinions without being holdable to those opinions. Pushing a wishy washy case again Marv "He could be scum, maby not, maby so, maby not." For pure meta reasons? Common dude, I expected a lot more out of you. Basically my reasons are the same. + his opening post was horribly wishy-washy. We could also lynch him but i think VE has a better role and therefore is a better lynch atm. :p | ||
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On December 02 2013 13:55 Mocsta wrote: Reasonable point raised. I would rebut by adding that ?6 players didn't submit picks. I don't want to use this argument to assume all are town. The safest course of action I think is to treat this tell as null. Yeah but only 2 of them did post (more than once) and did not pick. onlywonderboy - posted but probably just forgot because replaced (made ~1 post) ticklishmusic - posted Roffles - inactive Bill Murray - inactive jaybrundage - posted nyxnyxnyx - inactive | ||
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On December 02 2013 14:05 StorrZerg wrote: need to update your list a few of those people got replaced nyx (by lsb i think) bill and owb(you pointed owb) Yeah that was not the purpose. The purpose was that those people who did not post at all could be anything, it's a null-tell as they were straight out inactive (i am counting OWB on this too). What i meant was jay & ticklishmusic could be town based on them not sending in numbers. I find it hard to believe scum would forget to send in numbers as they will cooperate off-thread anyways. | ||
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On December 02 2013 14:50 Mocsta wrote: SS - Null. Most of his posts are setup speculation which is acceptable either alignment at this phase of the game. I admit I haven't played with a scum SS; but I also havent played with a pleasant one either. It makes me naturally assume something is different. Hes active though which is a good sign too. Yes, null. Geript - Soft town lean. Trolling Geript is null. But this Geript appears to be trying to push the thread into a certain direction - using reasoning vs slander. I also like that he is trying to make "look at me statements" to be noticed. He *wants* the attention. For this stage of the game I think thats pretty townie. OdinOfPergo - Null to soft scum lean Very setup oriented filter so i dont place a lot value in having activity. Half the stuff hes takling about I have no idea about because I'm not familiar with LoL. Hes also got an early Day0 obsession with Jay which hasn't relented, yet, he seems to be asking the opinion of others rather than talk to Jay to firm up a read?. This is kinda reminding me of how I approached Storrzerg in Mafia LXIII. Storrzerg - Null No idea, nothing really to work off Sandroba - Null Sandroba is known for good plans as town so its natural for him to easily receive buy-in // propose something conceived pre-game. Hes also known for lurking as scum. Hes given reasoning for lack of activity, so I think he will become pretty clear over the next 48hrs especially with roles being out. gtrsrs - Soft town lean I hate players like this. Troll. Its pretty light hearted, and the joke he made on Sandroba made me laugh, which is probably a good sign - as joviality is hard to fake. Most of the stuff is selfish setup talk which probably indicates town that will be useless to moving the thread forward i.e. the usual TL sign up these days. Oatsmaster - ?? It looks like hes trying to stir the pot intentionally. He seriously couldnt think that SS vet idea was good... I honestly have no idea how to read this guy anymore, he used to have direction in his pushes as town. Tips?? Justanothertownie - Null to Soft scum lean He is uncharacteristically active/assertive. The games I played with JAT he was pretty timid. Here he is calling people stupid and just in general seems to be on edge. I find he also talks to Rayn as if auto-assuming Rayn is town. White knighting? Interesting. I think all of those people are town. | ||
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On December 02 2013 15:05 Mocsta wrote: I just mislynched in MYLO. Excuse me if I'm cautious. Can u please explain me the oats town read. I lied i can explain this on. When Oats asks ridiculously stupid things, especially from me, he is town. | ||
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On December 02 2013 15:23 VisceraEyes wrote: Rayn I'd be interested to see where you think I discredited you for no reason. In about half of your posts. | ||
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On December 02 2013 15:29 VisceraEyes wrote: Like if this is how you're going to play then I'll just ignore you - I think you're probably town but that doesn't mean I have to read a fucking thing you say rayn. + Show Spoiler + On December 01 2013 01:56 VisceraEyes wrote: Posts like this make rayn deserve all the shit he's so tired of getting. Worthy of my ire, worthy of my ignore button, but not worthy of a lynch. <3 On December 01 2013 02:00 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh look more rayn being a pompous jerkoff. *yawn* On December 01 2013 13:37 VisceraEyes wrote: Rayn is a filthy liar when he says he can read me. Do you think he thinks he can lie and get away with it as scum? There. Can you explain to me what any of those posts are supposed to achieve other than saying "rayn is bad"? | ||
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On December 02 2013 15:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Did you actually read what I wrote? Everyone acts "townie" slightly differently. In VE's case that is characterized by not very thought out posts, chain of conscious type posts, frustration and aggression when people call him scum, and genuine attempts at analysis. All of which are in this game. I'm not gonna go back and quote his entire post history. Forget for a second that he called you an annoying jerk-off and reread what he's written and tell me where the scum agenda is. But there is no analysis. Not a single one. On before D1 i mean. I can't understand how you can possibly have a town read on him based on N0. | ||
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On December 02 2013 15:58 Roffles wrote: If he's scum, what's to gain from posting really dumb shit instead of just staying quiet like half the players? ..especially when scum have just found out if they have a role or not and have not had time to plan on how to proceed with claiming and stuff. | ||
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On December 02 2013 16:06 Mocsta wrote: No and no. I take it someone of interest is from there? Is this Newbie L? Yeah i suggest you look at OdinOfPergo's filter from that game and reconsider your read on him. that's like the easiest townread there is. | ||
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On December 02 2013 16:06 Oatsmaster wrote: WHY DOESNT ANYONE WANT TO TALK TO ME. The following people are town: raynpelikoneet, supersoft, geript, OdinOfPergo, Storrzerg, sandroba, gtrsrs, Oatsmaster, justanothertownie, VisceraEyes, Mocsta. You obviously disagree with geript but i do not think there is much to talk about it because i can just say "i don't think he is faking it". What about others? | ||
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On December 02 2013 16:09 Mocsta wrote: Half that game is in this one. Awesome. Umm... are you referring to this post text-block structure? Cos the similarity jumps out at me immediately.. lol <or the content/phrasing> He has absolutely no idea what to do as scum and is the definition of wishy-washyness and insecureness. Does it look like that in this game? | ||
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On December 02 2013 16:12 Kenpachi wrote: Personally, I think you're blindsided for considering so many people town this early on. So I find it hard to take all of your claims seriously. what are you trying to accomplish by holding hands with everybody I am holding hands only with people i think are town. Which of those reads you disagree on? | ||
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On December 02 2013 16:18 Mocsta wrote: hmm. I dont see it personally. I skimmed his Mafia L (roleblocker) filter http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102&user=OdinOfPergo&view=all and I thought a lot of his accusations were quite bold. The only wishywashiness I saw was his use of adjectives to diminish his accusations. You seem to be playing level headed, and there is certainly credit that you just coached him. But I don't see enough to state hes a STRONG town read. Maybe slight town lean but hes certainly not off-limits from being pressured I think. + Show Spoiler + OdinofPergo 10-31-2013 01:35 AM ET (US) omg... am I that transparent?! It is really hard for me to post pointless arguments. The longer I have to make the post.... The more this increases. GG. inb4 I lose the game for us! OdinofPergo 10-31-2013 01:33 AM ET (US) @Rayn, can I do anything to try to pull pressure off either OWB or Poof without appearing as scum? They both look worse than me. I want to try to deflect but the only way I can think of how to do it would involve throwing myself under the bus. Which I'm not sure I get out of again. raynpelikoneet 10-31-2013 01:33 AM ET (US) Also i can see it's really hard for you to play as scum OOP. Don't worry, it is for some people. You did really good in the last game you played in. Loosen it up a bit and just try to have some fun! ^^ | ||
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On December 02 2013 16:19 Kenpachi wrote: all of them. what the hell? you're avoiding the question I think i have explained the reads on Oats, Odin, VE, gtrsrs and supersoft. Sandroba had a really pro-town end of N0. Mocsta is being reasonable and has good thoughts and questions for people. geript is a meta-read and started scumhunting asap on N0 and noticed jay's terribad post. Had really good posts overall. JAT is being reasonable and wants to work together regarding plans and calls out people for their bad posts. StorrZerg the same. I don't see your point. N0 in PYP's it's more beneficial to find townies than to find scum because you should put townies in top of draft order to ensure good roles are picked by town. Therefore i have way more townreads than scumreads, i have been townhunting more than scumhunting. Am i not allowed to have 10 townreads in a game where there is like 25 townies? If you disagree with them why don't you tell me where i am wrong or question me about the reads? Why just say "you can't do this". In last PYP i found 6 townies in the first 24h. So no, it's not unreasonable at all to have 10 townreads in my opinion. | ||
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On December 02 2013 16:36 Mocsta wrote: Rayn, What do you think of Roffles? //fair enough if you want to wait for him to reply to my last query. Nothing much. I like his comments on gtrsrs but considering that's the only thing he has had to say i don't have any sort of read on him. | ||
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On December 02 2013 16:41 Kenpachi wrote: haha fuck I have to agree bitterly cause its rather right but I don't want to agree with it, cause I feel like a total idiot tbh. And being damned, I'd have to submit to your method for now. My day 1 is by far the weakest part of my game anyways so I cant criticize you for having a plan when honestly, I'm going to be sitting here considering everyone null. But I would say its hard to call everyone in that group town based on the statistics/intuition. We'll see about that post-game (i mean how right i was). Whatcha think of MZ's meta-read on VE based on D0? | ||
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On December 02 2013 16:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I wasn't in this game, what am I looking at here? It's the last PYP game, where VE was scum. How does his filter differ from this game? | ||
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On December 02 2013 16:45 Kenpachi wrote: The meta read of how VE goes bonkers as town? Null cause he can go bonkers as mafia with the right stimulation I can't refer you to the exact game but I'm still butthurt about losing to his double bus spam with toadesstern years ago. And I guess he hasnt changed much either :p That's basically my point. I do not think VE did anything alignment indicative on D0, just trolled around. I was trying to provoke him into doing stuff by calling him scum and initially voting for him when D1 started. After that i got the reaction i looked from town!VE. Right after i voted for VE (all the info there was was from D0) MZ chimed in and said "you are dead wrong on VE". If that is not a town read idk what to say. My point is it's impossible to have a town read on VE based on his posting from D0 unless you know his alignment. | ||
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On December 02 2013 16:52 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Ok let me address this since I feel like it's causing the biggest issue right now. Give me a second because it's going to take a couple of filters to describe what I see (it would be so much easier if you could just accept that VE is someone I can read, especially since you agree with me now BECAUSE I yelled at you long enough -_-). That's horribly wrong. I think VE is town because of his posting on D1, not because "you yelled at me". | ||
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On December 02 2013 16:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: It was his post about the quality of the thread that really set me off since it was such bullshit and he then proceeded to post more bullshit. Scum love threads where there is a lot of bullshit and that's what he was contributing to. As to your second point, I have a town read on you, I haven't paid too much attention to oats but if you have kp and decide to shoot him I'd appreciate we discuss it first. Actually I have no idea what your second point is about. If you're asking me as to why I don't have a meta read on you it's because I haven't played with you as much/I don't remember you very much from previous games. My point is this. You are calling gtrsrs scum because he is working with scum-agenda. I assume this is because he got a vanilla role and posted about voting for anyone who picked "his role". What's the difference between that and my posts like this: + Show Spoiler + On November 30 2013 20:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Of course i can. Read again. I am tired of arguing with you already because you are not making any sense. On November 30 2013 21:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: I'm picking a KP role and policy shooting Oats until he dies. Locked. On November 30 2013 21:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do i look like i care? On November 30 2013 21:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well i don't wanna play in a game where people say making bad posts is a town-tell for anyone and where people say i can't have a scumread on someone based on that they are incapable of posting 10 times / phase as scum. I honestly don't give a fuck if you lynch me. I couldn't care less because lately TL town have been absolutely crap. Me + Risen should get top 2 spots and then we just shoot stupidity. That's the best plan. On November 30 2013 21:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't even care if Oats is scum or town, he can't possibly have good reads if his reasoning for his reads is what it seems like.. Because both can be labeled as frustration or "shitting up the thread" based on which side you look at it from. If you are looking at gtrsrs' posts from "shitting up the thread" point of view why the hell do you have a townread on me? | ||
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On December 02 2013 18:56 Koshi wrote: Well I even lied. It will happen in the Day phase and it will be announced in the thread. Should have read my role PM better. So it will be D3 soonest. Because evul scummers will have done their work then. I need the evul scummers to do their work. If the evul scummers are nice and cuddly scummers than it will be delayed to D4. They are probably not cuddly so on N2 somebody will be elected. You got 140 hours to prove yourself. I have no idea what are you talking about. Why would you use any power over the invontions because you can basically do whatever you want, including your other power.. | ||
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On December 02 2013 19:24 Koshi wrote: Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I am going to make the aegis for myself on N1. I should never die and the watcher should just watch me. Why would you not make something useful instead? Because that does not help us finding scum, it only keeps you alive. | ||
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On December 02 2013 19:58 Koshi wrote: What is this? Inventor should stay alive so he can make many items. I can make that item for myself. Why should I not? Because i can guarantee you live on N1, D2, N2, D3. I can also guarantee you will not get roleblocked during those phases. So what the hell is the point of making yourself immortal on N1? For the record that's not even possible because afaik you can't create items that target specifically yourself and making yourself immortal would mean you are confirmed town because if you were mafia that would maean you would automatically win the game. So no Koshi, your plan is very dumb. | ||
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On December 02 2013 20:02 Koshi wrote: Ok rayn. I shall not make the Aegis for myself. What about I make it for you? You stay alive and protect me. I make sexy aegis for you. I we can have a watcher on me me dying and one scum outed is better than me living as immortal. Yes you could make that for me, but that means you are making useful items only starting by N2. N1 is the best use for the list check as as many players as possible are alive. As Kurumi said that's the best item anyone has ever invented in PYP games so if you can come up with something better feel free to suggest it. Mkaing anyone immortal is not one, and i don't even think you are allowed to do that, because as i said if you give the item to mafia they win automatically because they can't die and have a night KP. | ||
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On December 02 2013 20:04 marvellosity wrote: rayn, your role sounds much funner than mine. Weljel. Basically the other ability i got is one time use and prevents any damage done to target for 4 phases. The target gets -4 votes on themselves the next 4 phases. They can't be targeted by any abilities for 4 phases. It's riduculously good | ||
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On December 02 2013 20:08 Koshi wrote: It's an Aegis. If you die you come back alive without Aegis. So it's immortal till you lost aegis. I wonder if there are thief roles. Hmm. Ok. No aegis then. I shall hunt for a townie. Look at what i just said. There is no way anyone is going to intecept you for making items. Noone can possibly kill you (besides lynching). Noone can do anything for you, no roleblock, no stealing, no intercepting. Nothing. | ||
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If i am lying about this i would aswell claim scum. I'll be dead anyways pretty soon, scum don't wanna have me around especially if Koshi is town. And Koshi needs to make pro-town items anyways because he can't claim roleblocked. so rofl, win-win even if he is scum. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + When i am town It's incredibly easy to win as town because: 1) People will mass-claim at some point. Whatever whoever says mass-claiming benefits the town. 2) Based purely on claims and power uses town has like 70% chance of winning even if you ignore the scumhunting completely (obviously not saying we should do this) 3) Scum need to be incredibly cooperative and lucky to even stand any sort of chance against a town that works together. Even if the plans are only semi-decent and there are "what if"-factors a town working together is impossible to beat for scum. That being said i like bumatlarge's case on jcarl. Whaddya guys think? | ||
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I totally retract from my town read on him. | ||
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On December 02 2013 21:03 marvellosity wrote: Or he's mafia and he doesn't want to claim his role and claimed VT and didn't think through that other VT claims actually have some sort of power Mocsta is looking kinda not-good to me already. I would not look into his claim too much atm. Let's assume he is mafia: 1) In case he is hiding his role and claiming vanilla: - If he somehow gets role-copped he is screwed - If anyone ever sees him visiting someone, let it be a power or sending in night kill, he is screwed, he can't even fakeclaim in having sent in some arbitary or real power 2) In case he is telling truth about being vanilla but lying about his ability: - If anyone ever sees him visiting someone, let it be a power or sending in night kill, he is screwed, he can't even fakeclaim in having sent in some arbitary or real power In either case he is screwed. Also later on in the game, assuming he is alive, power uses and stuff will become "confirmed" (when people start claiming). If there is some ability that is not accounted and other people's power uses can be tracked down he is screwed. So.. If he did in fact fakeclaim something about his role he can only do possible harm for himself. | ||
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On December 02 2013 21:25 marvellosity wrote: By the way, rayn, I do basically agree with you that it isn't really possible to have a proper read on VE from N0 - but I do also think that MZ is the type of player who would think that he could. If that makes sense. Yeah that's what i meant before i tried to go to sleep in my last post. I reread MZ's posts and his argument with me and came into conclusion he was being reasonable and not scummy. | ||
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I would hope sandroba does not lose interest in this game if he is town. His end of D0 was pretty good imo. marv what do you think of BC and LSB. At least LSB should be super aware of what's good and what's bad in PYP games but it does not feel like he is trying to work for town's good. Also i think the same about the couple of BC's posts i remember. | ||
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Barring the Godfather obviously, but i doubt any scum picked it because it does serve no purpose. If any townie for some reason picked it i think they should claim it asap. | ||
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On December 02 2013 21:58 Koshi wrote: You do realize every role still has a second ability that can fuck with alignments? Chances might be low but possible. I'd say the chances are near 0%. Based on my role i'd say the second abilities are most likely to be close to the first one. Or at least somewhat similar. The thing is we can assume the list check will be most likely correct. Noone is gonna be able to say "but maybe i got framed" or at least that will be HIGHLY unlike it's true, even with scum of course trying to do something like that. Main point is all checks are EXTREMELY likely to be100% legit and therefore you as inventor should invent investigative items imo. Because cops are OP anyways, at least when they got totally legit checks. You know, there is a reason why i wanted to ban the roles i wanted banned. I even crumbed what role i will pick at the start of the game assuming i won't get on top of the list and get inventor. I told VE "i swear i saw a lightning rod in the role list" and with my second power this just became a hella lot better! ^_^ | ||
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On December 02 2013 22:04 marvellosity wrote: My 2nd ability is nothing like my first ability, that's a terrible stretch. What I/Koshi posted seems essentially correct to me. Hmm okay. Anyways it does not change the fact that we have reduced the possibilities of fucking with possible checks to pretty low amount. | ||
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On December 02 2013 22:08 marvellosity wrote: Indeed. Checks will be nice. But my point was that mafia choosing gf isn't really particularly unlikely, especially from a low draft spot. I do not think anyone from the upper half of the draft would pick GF based on scum banning all inv-roles. You might be right about the lower picks, but then again, in case something implies there is a GF we know to which pool of people to look into. | ||
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On December 02 2013 22:21 Koshi wrote: Wait. Scum didn't ban Viktor. Then they decide to not pick number 2. Silly gooses. Really strange imho. Assuming you are town maybe they thought they can get rid of you early on. Basically being on top spots puts you under more pressure in terms of "you have a good role, why are you still alive" and "what did you do with your role". In other words it's easier for scum to fuck up if they are top in picking order, far more likely to be somewhere in the middle because you are naturally under less pressure as you have by assumption "worse role". Best thing for scum is to pick combos that work well together, that does not necessarily mean the most individually strongest roles. | ||
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Out of the 1 pickers there will be at least 3 townies. With rayn claiming to pick 1,1 Mocsta [1][5] supersoft [1][30] Oatsmaster [1][1] Cho'Gath raynpelikoneet [1][1] Shen I think at least this group has "justified" their number picks reasonably: - I claimed i will pick 1,1 ( i know Mocsta said before the game he will do that aswell - but i am stubborn ^^) - Mocsta claimed he'll pick 1,1 (i don't think him picking 5 as second number means anything alignmentwise), and afaik he was not here for the most of D0. - Oats was using Oats-logic when he told why he picked 1,1. - supersoft said he misunderstood how the draft order is assigned and i believe him. So based on pure number-analysis you can't tell anything about our alignments, other than for those reasons i lean town on supersoft and Oats in their picks. But nothing points towards anyone being scum. | ||
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It also lets mafia snipe more threatening roles to them more quickly and also makes it harder to determine peoples alignment given that they can shoot based off of "that role would suck to face" as opposed to offing people who are being solid townies, etc.. and thus throwing town into chaos. I would love if mafia offed people based on their roles and not based on who is a good analyst. Even when everyone is blue what wins the game is when people find scum. Lesser analysts are far likely to trust wrong people and do anti-town stuff / make bad decisions with whatever role they have. As scum i would love to see some poor townie have a vigilante role, then shoot 3 townies and after that get lynched for it. | ||
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On December 02 2013 23:51 sandroba wrote: @rayn I would expect bc to dissagree with w/e I proposed regardless of alignment My problem is not him disagreeing. It's the way he does it and his reasoning. Like he says "if we all claim scum might kill strong roles over good analysts and that's bad because it will drive town in chaos". w00t? Scum killing strong analysts and lesser townies fucking up with their roles will drive the town in chaos, not the opposite like he suggests.. | ||
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In the last PYP game someone didn't want to follow any plan because they wanted to pick whatever they wanted and claiming/assigning numbers/roles would take a lot of fun off the game. That was reasonable and i can understand someone thinking so. But making up wrong shit is not reasonable in any way. | ||
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On December 03 2013 00:09 Oatsmaster wrote: Why doesnt anyone want to talk about geript and the fact that he's scum? If you can somehow point out something that proves he is faking his aggression instead of just claiming so i might be willing to listen. | ||
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ticklishmusic - Elaborate on your earlier scumread on me and why did it change. Right the only thing in this game you have done is that you claimed the have had a scumread on the towniest guy in thread, didn't explian it ever and then retracted from it. In addition to this, who do you think is scum now? | ||
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On December 03 2013 08:53 justanothertownie wrote: Don't forget half of the abilities are hidden to us. It won't be that easy. It doesn't matter if the setup is closed, open, or semi-open. | ||
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On December 03 2013 08:59 justanothertownie wrote: Hm... I don't know. I don't really see the big benefit. If scum knows who is who they can coordinate their actions much better. Scum can always coordinate their actions well because they have a team. Cooperation is a MUST for the town when everyone has a role. Otherwise people will just screw each other over when they for example roleblock scummy people (who end up being town) who have roles that are good for town. If we massclaim we can coordinate all actions at towns best interest. If someone does not do what they are supposed to, they risk of being lynched due to lying, it does not matter if they are town or scum, you just coordinate all the powers regardless of affiliation. Someone fucks up = lynch. Of course scum might lie and not get caught, but if they lie on N1 they misght get caught on N4 for example, when people flip and we are able to confirm roles/actions. Knowing all actions and assumed roles at all times is highly beneficial because there is no room for scum to hide with power. | ||
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On December 03 2013 09:04 jcarlsoniv wrote: but how do you hold people accountable for actions when we only know half of the actions in the game? Let's say you claim your second action is roleblock. Later on in the game when there are like 8 people left, if something that's not a roleblock happens, and all other people's actions can be confirmed, you are lying. If you were supposed to roleblock X on N1 and you did not do so, you are lying. It's really hard to balance with fakeclaiming as scum because you need to actually prove your role. Claim veteran and there is an unaccounted action, you are lying. | ||
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On December 03 2013 09:08 justanothertownie wrote: Maybe you are right. But you are assuming town will be united in what they want the blue roles to do and I don't think it will. If there are different opinions on the actions it gets easier for scum. If a majority agrees to a massclaim I will claim, ok? Yeah but that's an info source too. Make bad plans regarding roles you are scum. :p Like, just look at the ##'s game. When people claimed their roles scum were screwed because we could not possibly interfere with town's plans in any way unless we wanted to out ourselves. | ||
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On December 03 2013 04:50 geript wrote: So do you agree that he looks a lot like his play in duke nukem hydra game? Oh yeah it was this. I didn't read any posts Oats posted in our hydra game but this one is totally different from it. geript why is this similar? | ||
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On December 03 2013 09:19 marvellosity wrote: My mafia memory is pretty exceptional ken  rayn, I don't really like a vote on ticklish unless you have something else to bring to the table on him other than the obvious. To be honest I gave him credit for actually going away and looking at some of your town games, and it looks like he actually did so because he made some passing comment that the only thing missing from your game so far was calling town bad or something similar, which while a tad unfair, isn't necessarily inaccurate either. + Show Spoiler + shhh.. i just want him to contribute and there is another reason for my question too. | ||
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Or if he did i actually do want him to elaborate on the differences. For someone who has not never played with me (or is he a smurf?) it should not be easy to tell the differences. | ||
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I somehow thought he did help more than he did. I though he was one of the guys who instantly claimed their vanilla role and HP. I also read his post games lol. | ||
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I think he was scum (or was he SK - anyways not town) in another PYP game where he made the same plan. While the plan is pro-town at some point it became very clear people will not follow it. He continued on hiding behind just stubbornly yelling "yo guys you need to claim" and did nothing else. Good place for scum to hide when they know the plan is not gonna work out anyways, no need to do any actual scumhunting. Smells like same shit here. | ||
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On December 03 2013 09:51 marvellosity wrote: rayn, I'm not sure I'm totally convinced by your townread on JonnyLaw. Not sure either any more, that's why i did not include him in the list i asked Mocsta about earlier. He just.. stopped playing after the beginning. | ||
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On December 03 2013 06:25 JonnyLaw wrote: Okay, I was out all day yesterday. Two hours later I've finally caught up in the thread. gtrs - I dont like how his filter reads but he hasn't really given us much to lynch him either. I know he's capable of playing better as town so either he's busy, lazy or scum. None of these qualities help us win the game. Soniv - fine for now. Looks to be making an effort to push the game towards a goal. kushmasta - Like really? This guy comes into the thread and starts calling people scum in one liners and generally shitting the place up. He replaced OWB who completely shut down and hated playing scum in NMM L. The random tooscummytobescum post irritates me as well. The rest have longer filters and I need to evaluate them. Just reading through the last 20 pages hasn't left me with other strong feelings yet. I'll be checking filters and around for a while. On December 03 2013 06:35 JonnyLaw wrote: Did you read the filters from his last games? He actually participates, reads the thread and tries to hunt scum. He's agro and pushing an agenda. If he doesn't contribute I have no problem policy lynching him as a last resort. Until that happens I'd rather focus on people we can read since they're actually playing the game. First of all the bolded parts seems like a contradiction. He wants to look into people who have actual content (bigger filters) but all he talks about before and after are lurkers with short filters (besides MZ). Also it feels like he is pretty caught up and knows how much people have posted, yet he focuses on lurkers and then says he does not want to focus on lurkers but on other people. | ||
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On December 03 2013 11:59 geript wrote: Because as town Oats walks into fights blindly, he doesn't go looking for them. As town they happen as they happen he doesn't look for usual targets. I mean he completely tried to avoid a fight I pointed out earlier for no real reason; reminded me of his response to me in nuclear of "Stupid game for a stupid player." I have absolutely no idea where you get the feeling Oats is trying to pick a fight with you. | ||
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On December 03 2013 12:18 JonnyLaw wrote: To get to bum is half the town. bumatlarge Oatsmaster jaybrundage LSB ??? | ||
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On December 03 2013 12:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: LSB For the love of all that is town Start Scumhunting Instead Of Something You Can't Achieve!! FTFY! | ||
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On December 03 2013 12:44 OdinOfPergo wrote: lol Oats, how does that make sense? You saying not reading the thread, fabricating terrible cases, and then just asking blant obv town questions and not following up with it makes sense? On December 03 2013 12:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Odin if kushmasta has even one quote from another player in his posts he is town. If he is scum he does not go into any filter because he can't even force himself to do so. He just says "permission to bus me granted, do it!". I don't think he is scum here. | ||
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On December 03 2013 12:49 OdinOfPergo wrote: Ok so basically I should just forget entirely that Kush is in the game at all? Basically yes. | ||
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Or not entirely. As town he is capable of good play if he wants to, you just need to prod him into right direction by asking him to elaborate on right things. See 4 Persona mafia where when people showed him where to look at he was suddenly town MVP. | ||
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Does LSB's plan make him scum? No, because the plan is pro-town. Does LSB pursuing his plan make him scum? No, because it's pro-town. Does LSB talking about nothing but mass-claim make him scum? No, if you guys keep him talking only about it. Yes, if he won't do anything else when you stop calling him scum for his plan. | ||
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I got the feeling your case against bumatlarge is the following; He made a plan he did not follow later on. In his plan he left himself outs for fakeclaiming another role if needed. That makes you think he is working with scum-agenda and ha hasn't explained himself in a townie manner. Am i correct? A couple of questions; Is there any way you think his actions might come from a townie? I mean, you don't need to give the right answers by answering me, just yes/no. Or are you convinced he is scum and won't change your mind whatever he says? I ask this because as scum i tend to make cases that are worded in a manner it does not leave the accusee any room for arguing against it. It's quite a powerful tool when any answer someone gives can be painted as "not reasonable". :p Also am i correct in the fact that atm you are threatening bumatlarge with shooting him until he dies unless he reasonably explains himself? | ||
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On December 03 2013 16:28 Oatsmaster wrote: I like how effort = town, right rayn? yeah, i am starting to think that meta-search is bullshit. i hate the votes on kush. | ||
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I spent the last couple days researching my hunch that Rayn was scum, but he seems okay based on past games (apart from not calling town absolute shit this game). On December 03 2013 16:08 ticklishmusic wrote: A bit late to reply, but anywho... I'm a little iffy on you anointing yourself the towniest person here. But you're generally being abrasive like the other games you played as townie, so seems about right (now anyways).  On December 03 2013 16:30 ticklishmusic wrote: i honestly dont remember 100% why i had the scumread on you so early on, and i am too lazy to really go back and figure out exactly why. i think it was because you accused like half the thread early on, asked for some opinions, agreed/disagreed without elaborating much. okay im going to bed... as soon my damn archer tower finishes in clash of clans. This is basically everything he has done in this game. He says he had a hunch on me being scum, and then spent the last couple of days following that hunch, which lead him to my old games. However:
Now does this sound like he has spent the last couple of days getting a better read on me? To me it does seem like an excuse to not have participated at all. Then he says he reads people's past games before he gives judgement on them. Andddd after that he agrees on a scumread on kushmasta while many people have said this is what kushmasta does as town, without having to read kushmasta's past games, apparently, because he would know this. So, he's just jumping on different people, going against his own policies (reading past games before giving judgement), and then retracting from his scumreads for no real reason (as he needs to do regarding kush in case he reads his past games). Dropping suspicion in places where he can retract from it later if needed. ##Vote: ticklishmusic | ||
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Do you think gtrsrs and JonnyLaw are scum, like honestly? gtrsrs did just make a case based on completely false setup information? Like he totally faked it? JohnnyLaw does not know which player list to look into when discussing things about player-mover roles. Do you really think scum are not that aware of the setup or do you think they are faking it here? What separates ticklish from let's say Rean? ticklish came in and this is what he did: "i had a scumread on rayn, but after 2 days of looking into his past games i don't anymore" "i don't remember why i had a scumread on him" "my townread is based on him now being abrasive, which he is as town" "i however do not mention how that is different from his scumgames while i was asked about it" "i might not post much because i wanna get to know people's playstyles before making judgement on them -> i need to read their past games first" "but kushmasta is scum, that i can say - while other people tell this is what he does as town" and geript's push on Oats is ridiculous, he takes some aspects of Oats' play and fits them into something Oats has once done as scum. That's not meta, that's bullshit. Especially considering Oats does all those things as town. seriously marv? | ||
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On December 03 2013 20:51 marvellosity wrote: The fact that he said that you had an aggressive attitude in those games, which is why he backed off the read on you here (which is basically what he attributed it to). So in case he is scum and therefore knows i am town he could have not make that kind of an observation based on my posting in this game? I mean, it's quite easy to assume i post quite similarly than in my other town games. Before coming back he has never mentioned me in his filter. I would assume being his only scumread he would at least mention me no? | ||
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On December 03 2013 21:00 marvellosity wrote: Seems a pretty weird mafia-ploy to call you mafia for the same reasons he's going to call you town for later. *shrug* The point is he called me "earlier mafia now town" in the same post of his. Another weird thing i just noticed is he claims he has been involved in the game by reading my past games. However he was not enough involved to send in draft numbers. | ||
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On December 03 2013 21:08 marvellosity wrote: You made the argument earlier that mafia were more likely to be coordinated to send in their draft numbers... Like there's no reason what I bolded should come from either mafia or town tbh. But the dude literally said he has spent past 2 days reading my past games. Do you really believe he has done so when he did not even send in draft numbers? | ||
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On December 03 2013 21:10 sandroba wrote: rayn ticklish got taric at #26. What do you think about that? I dunno. Should i be thinking something about it? | ||
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On December 03 2013 23:07 geript wrote: You had a town read on me early and even defended me against VE and shit early on. But you were willing to vote me over the "Oats totes scum" stuff. That's bullshit and you know it. Your case on Oats is bullshit and you should know it. It's based on things you fit into something Oats has once did as scum and never answered me when i asked "so does Oats not do these things as town". Because he does. | ||
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You can't possibly think i am scum because i changed my mind on one of my reads. There is no fucking way you just ignore everything else i have said in this game and that sole thing makes me scum for you, even when i have clearly pointed out why my read has changed. | ||
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I just hope someone shoots ticklish and geript dead asap in case we end up lynching bum. | ||
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On December 04 2013 00:01 Mocsta wrote: I don't find my play fits into any category of my usual standard, because I am barely playing. Like I said before I'm struggling due to the early game. Every filter I have read has so much setup talk and I just go "ugggh" Why can't I be a sheep for once? You can be a sheep if you sheep me! But only for D1, then you have to start playing. Promise? | ||
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On December 04 2013 03:59 sandroba wrote: @rayn please release ticklish's balls. If mafia had a member so low in the list they would have gone for roles that town would never pick. NOT taric. And for certain they wouldn't claim it either. He is not scum. Let him be. Goddamn, we don't even know if he has the role because he claimed he is going to pick it (before the picks), not that he picked it. | ||
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You're right sandroba, most likely. I yell at you end game if you are not. :p ##unvote ##Vote: bumatlarge | ||
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On December 04 2013 04:09 sandroba wrote: @TM don't do that, just heal someone you think is town and is going to get hit. Take a look at the role list too that LSB posted before making your decision. Except that do not heal Koshi, i got it covered! | ||
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On December 04 2013 13:53 Mocsta wrote: Rayn Is the plan with Koshi: we don't care? Cos he has to be pro-town regardless of alignment? Yeah. I am quite sure he is town too. I just hope he won't derp with inventions. Doctors do not protect me, protect people like marv/sandroda instead. | ||
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On December 04 2013 14:10 Mocsta wrote: Maybe, but I dunno if that is grounds to call Geript scum. I actually think hes playing pretty well --> not shitting up the thread etc. Idon't know what makes you think he is playing well? He played "well" in LXI aswell, not shitting up the thread, making cases and so on. He is not actually doing anything useful here. His case on Oats is a couple of comments followed by "Oats did this in his scumgame X". He didn't even want to lynch Oats "because noone will believe me so i am up for a lurker lynch". His scumread on me is "rayn changed his read on me, he does not do that when he is town". Go look at for example LXIII where i change my read on Koshi for like 20 times during 5 phases. He only started to push other candidates on D1 when it was quite clear bumatlarge was gonna get lynched. He is calling out my most pro-town plan there is. Make a better one then if you don't like it, you have all the info. You have my role, you have half of the people's roles. Yeah that's my case on geript, everything he does is either really weak - and not in a townie way, or straight out bull. Vigi should shoot him. | ||
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On December 04 2013 14:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: please, someone give me a few filters to read. Who was the primary force behind the bum lynch? Why are we talking about lynching geript after the bum lynch? I'm rereading the thread but I'm asking these questions as well because I want to hear different views on what happened. I am interested in heraing what's your reasoning behind definitely not considering geript lynch next? | ||
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On December 04 2013 14:38 Mocsta wrote: Hey, whilst you are waiting for Geript to respond to your case above. Want to weigh in on johnny/Kush? I don't think either of them is scum. I don't feel like going into reasons (and i have given my reasons for them already and those reasons ahve not changed). tbh i don't feel like posting anything atm because convincing people here atm on anything doesn't achieve much because it seems like only things that will go through is what marv/sandroba say. Not that i mind it as i think they are town but there is no point in trying to yell here now because it's useless. | ||
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On December 04 2013 14:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Marv and sandro could read it and push it. Yeah but i'd rather talk to them directly when they are around. Even if i was able to convince all the ~5 people who are here now at something what's the point when i can tomorrow convince marv and get him easily to convince ~15 people? | ||
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On December 04 2013 14:51 Mocsta wrote: Just because Marv/Sandroba are influential, certainly doesn't mean they are the end all, be all. Further, by discussing these things now: we might be putting them in the right direction and saving them time that can be used to further refine the reads. With Geript, I simply think its better if he addresses your case. He should be more than apt to. Even if he is scum, thats 1 of 6. You don't seem to think that jonny, kush or jay is scum. (Nor Marv/Sandroba) Any leads on any of the other 5? I don't know about jay. I have to reread him tomorrow. I don't like what he is doing (which is nothing), i just don't know if it makes him mafia. On December 04 2013 14:51 Oatsmaster wrote: Nah, the line I like to use this game, "but which of those makes them scum?". hey rayn and geript, what do you think about Risen and Roffles? Risen seems like town!Risen who does not give a fuck because he does not care. Roffles could be scum, i think he's been pretty weak. | ||
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I am just saying i am not going to yell here geript is scum and get into an argument with him because i don't want to do it now. | ||
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On December 04 2013 15:01 Mocsta wrote: I think Risen is <OK>. Hes playing pretty selfish which is why I don't mind him. i.e. his posting about stuff thats important to him (role claims etc) and I don't really see how hes pushing a scum agenda with his posts -- which is more what I expect from him. He said his role is self-evident, so I suppose after the night phase it may be clearer what he is based on role pick/usage. I think this is a pretty good recap of Risen's play and the conclusion is fine too. | ||
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On December 04 2013 15:03 Mocsta wrote: Noted. I think that is a fair position (regarding Geript). I agree with his case breakdown though. Some of what you said is annoying as the end-user (e.g. shits on ya plan) .. but I dont see why a townie wouldnt/couldnt do that either. I don't care about someone telling me your plan is bad in case they have something better to offer. Which geript hasn't. | ||
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I wonder what's up with the fact that VE in fact IS a highly influential player and capable of pushing lynches. Yet he did not try to push LSB lynch but still seemed to think LSB was a better lynch than bum. Do you think VE is just lazy or does he have some other agenda of not really wanting to lynch LSB? For me it didn't really seem like he was trying to lynch his top read. | ||
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On December 04 2013 15:08 Mocsta wrote: I won't get into this too much (i.e. this is the last I will say). To me, ppl shit on plans all the time (in real life) cos its easy. Coming up with an alternative is always difficult, and often is what separates leaders from sheep. I think shitting on you would be malicious if you were discredited in the process. I dont recall this happening - hence null. It's the reasoning. Saying "plan is bad, idk how you read Koshi" achieves nothing. Does he think Koshi is scum? If Koshi is scum how is my plan still bad? I explained how my plan is not bad even if Koshi is scum. If i have missed something and am wrong why not point out where i am going wrong with then? Making general "you're dumb" or "that won't work" is same as saying nothing. If someone disagrees with something i would expect them to tell why. That's the point of mafia. | ||
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I found it odd that you're not throwing your weight behind LSB more to push for claims (Vt or which role) as that was very influential in the last PYP but you seem to forget that. I am tired of talkingabout claiming strategy. At least now i should be obvious people won't agree to certain strategy regarding claims so i couldn't care less to push something that will never be achieved. | ||
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On December 04 2013 15:19 geript wrote: So can you understand me saying "I want to lynch oats, that's not possible so I'd like to lynch Jay ." The problem is you never even made a case on Oats. The "case" is spread all over your filter and it was really hardfor me to find why do you even think he is scum. Then you just proceeded into saying "Oats is scum" and a bit later "well Oats is not gonna get lynched, so let's lynch a lurker.. like jay". I don't think you are very commited into wanting to lynch scum.. | ||
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On December 04 2013 19:52 marvellosity wrote: No they shouldn't. Lazy metric incoming - geript had 13 pages of filter in LXI over what, 7 or 8 cycles? He's on 9 pages here on Night 1. A pretty good reason to be looking elsewhere right now. So is Koshi scum, he has usually at least 12 pages of filter after 2 day phases? Okay vigi should not shoot geript, vigis should shoot all the people with 1 page of filter. But it does not change the fact that geript is scum. He is good player as town and this is nowhere near good. Like kushmasta who clearly does has not cared about the game besides one read has done much more. geript has shouted to peole left and right and had some scumreads i have no idea why they are scum. | ||
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On December 04 2013 20:08 marvellosity wrote: oh, you said this yourself a little later rayn. That's why you finish reading the thread and THEN post. You are the only player i have ever played with who i allow to post before reading the thread without getting extremely irritated with them. Because it's pretty easy to say where you are at that moment and the evolvement of your thought process is clearly to be seen from those posts. justanothertownie i think you should stop call this man scum, it's pretty easy to figure out he's not. | ||
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On December 04 2013 20:12 Oatsmaster wrote: lol rayn, posting habits do tell you who is town at the very extremes. For example, if someone has a 40 page filter at the end of day 3, he is very very likely town. If he only has a 5 page filter, that does NOT mean he is scum though. So it is only applicable for 1 alignment. Yet the town lynched me in LXIII. What gives? | ||
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Because i will ask you do you think mafia would pick CPRdoctor at spot #20? Well they, would, di, and got it. | ||
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On December 04 2013 20:32 marvellosity wrote: Of course people are held to different standards? That's part of why mafia is interesting, what is a scumtell for one person may be a towntell for another person, or infinite other examples. You're going to hold grush to the same standard as Palmar? jaybrundage to the same standard as Foolishness? If syllogism makes bad leaps of logic or doesn't pick up on something he should, he's damn likely to be mafia, but so many average players will routinely make the same mistakes as town. Weird thing to complain about really. I don't see the difference between those players. ticklishmusic has not played here, JonnyLaw is quite new. So what's the difference? | ||
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Also keep in mind that every character has another power. It's not badfor scum to pick a DT-role now that i think of it. I think i actually argued with LSB about it early on in the game. I would totally pick DT if i was scum. Easy to fake reports and good "fakeclaim" for your other power (because you should never use your other power unless it's a vigi shot and you have confirmed scum). | ||
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Obviously not saying VE's pick makes him scum, just saying people should not give him a free pass for "picking a town role", when it's not, especially considering there is a hidden ability (the role is not even useless for scum - besides free town credit & deny town inv-role). VE has done some townie stuff and and i still have a town read on him, just not "you so obv-town" -read. | ||
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On December 04 2013 21:22 Koshi wrote: rayn, are you alive at the end of this night? Do you think marv will be alive? I don't know if i am. One of marv/sandroba should be, otherwise (in cse they both die) i know who to lynch. | ||
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On December 03 2013 21:19 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't see how what LSB is doing is suicidal. He's not saying anything of substance about anyone, he's making the kinds of accusations that get ignored rather than responded to. He's been screaming about a mass claim but thread sentiment favored at least some claiming anyway so that isn't controversial...I like an LSB lynch. ..is closest to what the case gets, and ~10 posts that say "kill LSB". Additionally the case includes LSB's pick which is not alignment indicative in any way. So i don't really see how VE ever pushed LSB lynch. | ||
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On December 03 2013 06:52 VisceraEyes wrote: gtsrs, Mocsta (depending on what he chooses to do next - haven't liked what he's chosen to do so far), jsoniv all looking bad to me. Let me know what you rustle up. into voting for LSB, into voting for bumatlarge (who was his top scumread LSB's top scumread). Never talks with either of them... ...into voting for Jay, who was his townread earlier (see jay's post on last page or so). I can't find any train of thought that makes sense to me. VE really, what the hell? | ||
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On December 04 2013 15:45 VisceraEyes wrote: gtsrs still a good lynch. LSB less so, in spite of me arguing it earlier. After thinking about it, it IS slightly less likely that LSB is scum since Bum was town. I still think that LSB being last pick would have tried for Tryn as scum, but I don't know if that's bias, or vet paranoia, or if I actually remember LSB being that bold as scum. I concede that it's more likely that he's town now that Bum has flipped town. soniv still looks pretty bad to me. My filter-list looks like this overnight: jcarlsoniv, gtsrs, jaybrundage, Odin, MZ And now this. VE i have seriously no idea how your reads evolve. Especially the following: Mocsta, jay, Odin (where the hell did that come form?), LSB?? I don't understand. | ||
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On December 05 2013 04:01 VisceraEyes wrote: I never voted for Jay. At least you did in game thread. Why did you post that if ytou did not vote for him in the voting thread? | ||
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On December 04 2013 10:47 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Jay Not mad friend, just disappointed. | ||
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On December 05 2013 04:30 ticklishmusic wrote: I'm really disliking kush right now. went through his filter, and he hasn't had a single real analysis except for his scumread on kurumi, which he later retracted and even called crap. Also, I decided to look over a couple of his old games (Noir and Golden Sun) and he seems to do a lot of meta reads on people, which he hasn't done here at all. He even brags about it at the end of GS: + Show Spoiler + Also, this smiley:  Do you think kushmasta's play is different than in both of those games? | ||
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On December 05 2013 04:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Rayn must have missed these in his extensive filtering. I'm so sick of your crap Rayn. So how does this make LSB town if bum is town? Because i see you saying the opposite. | ||
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On December 05 2013 04:40 ticklishmusic wrote: He blames inactivity in Noir mostly so I'm not basing my read off that as much. Then in GS he's screaming about how he knows everything, doing meta reads, etc. It's pretty different from how he's been here. We can discount the profanity because of his frustration for being ignored there. However, no meta reads even playing with a similar cohort is rather suspicious, as is asking questions but rarely offering his own analysis. The trolling/ whatever is normal enough, but there's no analysis sprinkled in between those comments. So you are just reading one town game and looking if someone's behavior here is similar or different? I'm sorry but that does not make a good meta-read. Go read LXII or GoT and tell how my play is different than it's here. Or read Bluelightz mafia, how's that similar to this game? You can't do a meta-read based off on one game and i suggest you look at what people have done this game instead if you are planning on doing half-arsed meta-reads. | ||
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On December 05 2013 04:45 VisceraEyes wrote: Can I stop quoting myself yet Rayn? Are we ducking done yet Rayn? Yes yes you yelled "LSB is scum", that's not convincing people. Do you think geript was trying to convince people into lynching Oats? Because i don't. Could you clarify to me why did you think LSB was scum on D1 and why do you think he is not scum now? It's unclear for me. | ||
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On December 05 2013 11:48 Rean wrote: I'd disagree that it had to be town KP, btw. This guy needs to be targeted with all the town KP until he dies. | ||
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On December 05 2013 12:57 Mocsta wrote: His flip = 950KP. so was hit with at least 950KP?? hence >950KP > = greater than Oh lol, i missed that " > " there. | ||
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On December 05 2013 13:03 ticklishmusic wrote: i kinda dont want to say And why is that? | ||
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On December 05 2013 13:05 Risen wrote: Tried to mason rayn This makes Risen most likely town. Hmm, ticklish do you know how much damage your healing heals? | ||
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On December 05 2013 13:13 Rean wrote: People with vanilla roles can still do some damage (Like yours truly). 5 people taking damage doesn't seem all that crazy. Yeah all vanilla roles cooperated and hit same people. This dude is sco scum. Nothing he says makes sense. ##Vote: Rean | ||
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On December 05 2013 13:19 OdinOfPergo wrote: Well Rayn bear in mind that second abilities could be tacking on extra KP here aswell. Obviously we have no way to confirm this yet but it's worth thinking about for consistency sake for D3. (Obviously quiet a few abilities are limited to every so many cycles.) The fact that you where the mason target also means that someone tried to cover you last night to prevent anyone from messing with you. Which I'll have to go re-read abilities to see if it's an obvious role. Pretty good move imo because it made sure people didn't mess you while you made sure no one messed with Koshi while inventing. Also ye, I fail at reading as well. Completely missed that you did go ahead and mention who you healed Ticklish. Or Risen was just you know.. roleblocked? You are not making much sense either. | ||
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On December 05 2013 13:23 Oatsmaster wrote: Rayn explain in more detail. I do not get it. What do i need to explain? Rean says "not that impossible that 5 people were hit". Ofc it's not, but his suggestion for the explanation for that is "vanilla roles". That's bullshit. You know what happens when ~5 people use KP? I DO KNOW THEY DEFINITELY DO NOT ALL HIT THE SAME PERSON! | ||
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On December 05 2013 07:05 Rean wrote: Currently Austinmcc as he lied to me when I asked if he was scum (proclaimer: this could change at any time for any reason or no reason at all). If this is your reason for hitting austin while having done anything else in the game you deserve to die based purely on this. | ||
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On December 05 2013 13:33 OdinOfPergo wrote: @ Oats, random question for you.. Did you get a teamname in your alignment PM? Stop this stupid shit already. This does not achieve anything. | ||
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On December 05 2013 13:41 OdinOfPergo wrote: Actually Rayn, since you called me out on this again... ye. I can entirely see your point. Even if I go off my current assumption that it's only due to mod alignment PM flavor.. It's still a pointless thing to be looking into. Anyone can fabricate a team name in a heart beat. This helps us in no way. I am chasing wishful thinking in actually thinking this can help us win the game. Scum could just be like "Curse" as easy as a townie actually honestly responding to it. I'm going to drop this thought entirely now. There is only one instance i know where "gaming the hosts and therefore players" found scum. It was when every blue role was given a fakeclaim, one dude claimed blue and "didn't have a fakeclaim" because his fakeclaim was the blue role. I did it and you can't do it here. | ||
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On December 05 2013 13:45 Oatsmaster wrote: Rayn, cool it, rationally explain why you think Rean is scum, cause you gotta convince people. Im not convinced. Only piece of scumhunting he has done is: "austin are you scum" "no" "you are lying". I can't make a better case because there is nothing more in his filter other than fluff. | ||
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On December 05 2013 13:58 Rean wrote: @Rayn, I "shot" (50 KP is barely worthy of that term when people have over fifteen times the hp) Austinmcc for his filter, not my question. His filter is full of reads but at no point did I get the impression that he's actually trying to get people lynched rather than just giving out reads on anything he can find. Yes and your filter lacks even that. Why didn't you shoot yourself? By your definition you are 1000x scummier than austin. Why didn't you shoot Coag? Also you have yet to give the scumreads. You have been here. You have been reading. I am expecting at least 3 scumreads with reasoning. Other people than lurkers. | ||
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On December 05 2013 14:08 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: rayn I could get behind you on rean. idk what the fuck oats and mocsta are doing but it's not productive right now, you're both shitting up the thread. Actually rayn I have one question, what are your updated thoughts on LSB and gtrsrs since you haven't mentioned either in a while and they both played prominently D1? I gotta look more into them both. I don't think gtrsrs is mafia, because of his case on Jonny was based on misuderstandings. I don't think mafia would not double check that stuff. I don't think he would have done the case as mafia. I wanna see what LSB does now when bum is dead. | ||
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On December 05 2013 14:11 Oatsmaster wrote: Oh my, it sounds a lot like you are using a dead townies read to push a mislynch Mocsta. tbh that what it seemed like to me too. Except that he didn't even say that in the first place, only after people disagreed. | ||
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On December 05 2013 14:14 OdinOfPergo wrote: Actually wait, You guys are moving fast but when was it implied that VE used his binding light over Lux Cannon ? You can just quote/gimme a page number but I just checked his filter and didn't see him imply that he checked anyone. If he didn't check anyone he is scum. | ||
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LONG LIVE THE ISUNIZEHC! | ||
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Shit you got me. :/ Should we be dealing with this Mig guy with a rope? Or do you prefer bullets or spells? | ||
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I kinda can't because i claimed my character and my actions are confirmed. | ||
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On December 05 2013 14:57 Chezinu wrote: I know, you are great with.. I know how you protect that guy last night... you know who... lets just say random things.. I summon the ANALYTS! I am seeing numbers! yes 4 and 2 and for 4 moons! I see 4 and 2 too! I know it! I knew you know it! What does [3] [19] tell you? | ||
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stfu and give those reads. I don't need to explain anything to you until you start scumhunting and not hiding behind bullshit. | ||
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This dude has one read in a 31 player game after over 100 hours of gameplay. scum. Votes on him plz. | ||
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Seriously kush, he has ~80 posts and his only read in this game is austin. | ||
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On December 05 2013 16:33 kushm4sta wrote: town and scum are lazy in different ways. Rayne you dont know what it's like to be a lazy mother fucker. The development of reads takes WORK. You have to look at filters and shit. Rean is way too lazy to do that. So he is sticking to this read that he believes in because he happened to come across it by chance just glancing at the thread and it took no work to find. An aside, rayn, i actually love your cases. Like your big long ones. If you make one of those Iwill read th efuck out of very slowly and closely. Well then he should die for the bolded part because he is not helping the town. Remove the crap rather sooner than later. The point is kush, he has been here. He has done stuff. The stuff he does is all fluff, he is not playing to find mafia. | ||
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On December 05 2013 17:06 Risen wrote: Anyone live in LA area? I GOT ROLEBLOCKED! LIVE MASON GOGO! | ||
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That's good, that's good! I really don't think JonnyLaw is scum. | ||
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On December 05 2013 17:42 Risen wrote: So it was you! We need to talk more man you're cool. Ok so I haven't read anything this game hello Mr plz I did not roleblock you. I gave protection to Koshi for 4 phases! I am town. | ||
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On December 05 2013 18:07 Risen wrote: Are you sure it went through man :/ I suppose so. Koshi can probably confirm. I also had the lantern. IF you gave it to me and did not see me visiting anyone (i guess it's a tracker sorta item) plz claim. But i kinda know what's going on and i think my power got confirmedly through | ||
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On December 05 2013 18:14 kushm4sta wrote: rayne why did you protect koshi?? doesn't it seem like he woulnd't be high priority for nk? Because the protection also protects towards roleblocks. Even if he is scum he HAS to make items. He also HAS to give them to townies. I guess mkfuba(marv) has his invention atm. | ||
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On December 05 2013 18:16 kushm4sta wrote: why does he HAVE to give them to townies? He claims scum if he does not. | ||
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It will become clear at some point who he gave the items. This is all information that's useful later on. Basically, i don't care who he gave the item atm. But if he gave it to someone other than me, marv, sandroba, VE, i would say there is a high possibility he is mafia. We'll know more about it later. These things tend to unfold. | ||
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All you do is get them roleblocked that way. | ||
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On December 05 2013 18:26 Koshi wrote: No it's a crown. So did you make marv(mkfuba) a king? | ||
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On December 05 2013 18:31 supersoft wrote: I have no idea how these inventions work, but wasn't kosh supposed to build this listchecker? Listcheckers are banned. They are quite imba. | ||
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It makes you no blind, it makes you see in the darkness we are living in! Trust the light my brown friend! | ||
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Rean on the other hand is incapable to even give 3 scumreads. | ||
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I have bad feelings defending other people. JonnyLaw can do it himself. If he defends bad you can lynch him, but he'll still turn up town. | ||
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On December 05 2013 20:38 Koshi wrote: rayn if I took damage last turn or in the next 3 turns. Are you interested in knowing it? Of course. That means my power did not go through. But i am pretty sure it did. | ||
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On December 05 2013 20:42 Mocsta wrote: I mean convince me about rean. U asked for a case about jonny. I put it out there. All i have noticed/remembered from you regarding rean is a heap of disjointed posts. You have a big filter so its not ideal to raed through page by page just for Rean. Im saying: convince me why Rean is a better choice Because i can follow JonnyLaw's thought process through D1. His D0 was decent. Rean has one read. One fucking read in the game. He has interacted with his read like this: "Are you scum" "No" "You are lying". That's everything that's even close to something mafia-game related in his filter. When i call him scum he just wants answers from me. When i refuse to give them, he disappears. Like wtf is that? Why doesn't he call me scum then if he thinks i should give him answers. He doesn't talk about anything people direct towards them, just repeats "rayn answer me". | ||
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That means most likely one of you / Chezinu is lying. I think Chezinu quite clearly claimed me visiting you. Or i got roleblocked. Could the guy who gave me the lantern come out of the closet and tell me what the fuck did it do? Unless that happens i am calling shenanigans. Then it has to be mafia action. | ||
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On December 05 2013 20:51 Oatsmaster wrote: huh thats interesting. Koshi cant be lying. Rayn, are you sure it blocks everything? Yes i am sure. I even asked the hosts if i use it does the effect take place starting N1 and not only from D2. Why can't Koshi be lying? | ||
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On December 05 2013 21:15 Mocsta wrote: Do you think scum would try to antagonise you like this? Sure the stuff above *could* be scummy but the way you are portraying is more like, hes scum cos hes pissing you off, no? You are misrepresenting my case. Your case on JonnyLaw does not make him mafia because it's easy to follow his thought process and it's easy to see why he drops his kushmasta read and goes to other people. He interacts with people about relevant discussion topics (LSB - bumatlarge) and comes to a conclusion about D1 lynch. Your case is shit and ends with "noob or scum". Guess what, he's noob. | ||
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On December 05 2013 22:48 Koshi wrote: Also, rayn can you protect me from being RB tonight? It depends. I'm not saying anything yet. I need to figure out a couple of things. | ||
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I am honestly fed up with players who join the game, post crap and only crap, and get away with it, even if they are town. Don't get me wrong, i do not think Rean is town. | ||
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On December 06 2013 00:53 Mig wrote: As I have said before the link is in the op, it is under the spoiler long champion list. I guess just ask yourself this would mig as scum at the #5 pick take the kp role that has one of the lowest attack ratings and highest health ratings? Over something like nidalee which has way higher kill potential? Especially since cho could probably be picked up later on in the draft. Also, I did not shoot jonny. It appears my attack was possibly redirected towards jonny somehow considering he took 125 damage which is what my attack does. I tried to shoot meapack. In my experience with meapak he has always seemed like a pretty level headed guy. His rant where he starting yelling fucking every other word and yelling about lurkers/koshi felt fake to me. There was no reason for a level headed guy to be so angry. The last time I saw something like this was actually in the last game I played, BC very similarly had a fake anger tirade yelling at lurkers when he was mafia. I am going to prove that in one way or another. Give me a second. I know a perfect example. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On July 09 2013 09:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I cannot get over how stupid you are rayn. I went back and read the thread where it was announced the nuke was launched and then went back and read my posts before that. Basically I called you scum for your idiotic call for chez's death. Hang on, why the fuck didn't you nuke chez? You were screaming about it and I called you out on it. You kept pushing and I called you scum so you omgus nuked me INSTEAD OF THE GUY YOU WERE TELLING EVERYONE TO NUKE. Like I'm sitting here lost for words over how stupid this is. I'm trying to remember that stupidity is not a scumtell but for real, are you trying to look scummy? On July 09 2013 09:29 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: You're lying. I made that post on page 9, it was obviously a joke as there was no mod response. Nuke number one is launched on page 18 NINE FUCKING PAGES LATER. Notice that the nuke that was just launched is not my nuke, therefore my nuke was a fake since it was "launched" before chez's nuke. Why are you lying? Also someone should nominate that for the best plan 2013 <3 And then the town for best blunder for not lynching conf-scum Ace. <3 | ||
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sandroba can you take a look at Mocsta's case and tell me what do you think of it. I think the case is a trainwreck and has nothing to do with someone being scum. It's most likely based on what Prome said and Mocsta does not even bring up Prome's thoughts in the first place he makes the case. When people do not agree he goes "but hey look, confirmed town Prome said this too". Like he wants to do his own case but it's not his own at all.. And i do not agree with it. | ||
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On December 06 2013 01:07 Mig wrote: Well suppose I could have been wrong but those were my thoughts and why I tried to shoot him. Anyway regardless if I was scum and I could see someone's hp I wouldn't be targeting mz. I think you should target Rean from now on. | ||
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On December 06 2013 01:12 sandroba wrote: @rayn I'm on the fence on jonny. There is shit about him that makes me think town and some makes me think scum. I don't think he is a good lynch for today, so I'd rather ignore it for now. Let's focus our efforts on people who are actually very likely to be scum. I actually wanted to talk about Mocsta, not JL. | ||
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On December 06 2013 00:17 Mocsta wrote: <b>JCarl</b> Did you take dmg over night? I'm wondering if LSB hit Koshi? But tbh this is weird. Really weird. Do you guys know why? | ||
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On December 06 2013 01:23 Mocsta wrote: Why is this weird? You havent explained anything and LSB is next to Koshi. Anyways, stop thinking people are scum for disagreeing with you. <b>JCarl</b> This... used in a certain place. Mafia place.. | ||
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On December 06 2013 03:02 Rean wrote: So, lemme get this straight: I was the one who originally called Austin scum when he was under no real pressure, even being included on town lists by some people, and you think I was bussing? That my entire gameplan as scum is to do nothing useful except for bussing a teammate that was under no actual suspicion? And I claimed my VTness immediatly after the nightpost. I waited with saying who I picked incase someone below me would try to claim Lux, but VE ended up claiming it and I came forward with what I tried to pick. I like how most of the people accusing me here are just saying "omg rean so useless kill him doesnt matter if scum cus useless anyway lol". Brilliant reasoning, guys. The only one trying to think beyond that is Sandroba who pulled out a conspiracy that'd make the 9-11 conspirators proud. Gonna go back to being useless now because apparently you guys just want to kill me even if I do find you scum. Why are you so defensive? Your scumread is getting lynched. | ||
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On December 06 2013 23:36 Risen wrote: Anyone want to point me to where I started being on people's scum lists? Thought I was pretty clear town. Yes i do not understand that either. Probably because you claimed roleblocked. If you were scum i don't know why would you claim roleblocked instead of just... masoning me? Also probably not wise for mafia to fakeclaim roleblocked on N1.. | ||
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On December 06 2013 23:58 Mocsta wrote: ve is not getting lynched hes lux ffs the parity cop His role does not make him town. Picking parity cop as scum is good because you deny a strong town role (inv), there is a hidden ability in the role so you are not useless and you gain town credit because of your pick in the first place. The thing is Koshi is gonna invent an item that publicly outs all reports on D3 (tracker/watcher/cop/etc.) and it proves VE has actually copped people and not done something else. If he has not copped people then he is scum, if he has he is town. | ||
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On December 07 2013 00:29 jcarlsoniv wrote: Or even better: If Koshi makes the item you expect, a scum parity VE could check you (since you're essentially confirmed town), and some town lurker (or otherwise questionable town player). He would know who to look at, he would get his parity check off, and gain town cred. But there's a problem. He's charging his laser, aiming at lurkers, and his trigger finger is getting itchy. How long are we able to rely on him using his parity check before he blows his laser and shoots some bitches? If he's town, he has to keep using that parity check. It's the only thing we can rely on for information that we know of. (or at least, that I know of) He needs to have checked someone already on N1. If the check as published comes back as "X checked Y - came back same/different" then we know he has checked someone on N1. If the check comes back as "X checked Y - came back null" then he has not checked anyone on N1. You are suggesting VE picked a parity cop as mafia, has another ability, but instead of using that he claims the ability and uses only the ability that does not help mafia in any way. That's fucking bullshit. | ||
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On December 07 2013 00:37 Koshi wrote: rayn, again, look at the Onegu case on Odin and comment please. Later. The case is bad because Odin is town though. | ||
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On December 07 2013 01:15 Roffles wrote: Oats has been riding my dick cause he has nothing better to do than throw his votes away on someone of little relevancy. He never makes a case, only says to other people, "Why not lynch Roffles?" over and over. And why do you want to lynch? You have been extremaly flip-floppy throughout the game. | ||
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You should be lynched if Koshi dies on N2. | ||
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I'll take care of that. I use the lightning rod on him. All other protective roles should protect assets like sandroba/VE etc.. | ||
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Because he is the parity cop and Koshi needs to invent an item like police radio from old PYP game and it confirms VE's alignment in if he has been checking people or not. If he is scum and keeps cop checking people i don't mind. :p We can lynch him on D4 or something if he is still alive. But if he is town he is definitely one of the assets town has in this game. | ||
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On December 07 2013 03:25 kushm4sta wrote: has sandroba had a recent tryhard scumgame? sandroba has no tryhard scumgames ever. | ||
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austin is too bad to be town, Roffles just doesn't give a fuck. It doesn't make him scum. | ||
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Meapak_Zipph (5): austinmcc, Mocsta, geript, Mig, Koshi This is like a Hail scum! vote list barring Koshi. | ||
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On December 07 2013 09:36 supersoft wrote: what do you think about MZs VE analysis and his LSB push? I don't remember reading it. LSB is scummy as fuck so push looks good. | ||
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On December 07 2013 09:50 mkfuba07 wrote: rayn, could you direct me to what you feel is the best austin case? Sorry if this has been asked/given/pointed out a million times before, I'm in a bit of a time crunch and am having a lot of trouble deciding what to do... He has really bad reads which are not in fact reads. All he talks about is MZ/Rean and lately Roffles and everything he says about them is "this guy is scum if this guy is not" type of things. | ||
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I don't even know what the case on MZ is (and no, geript's "case" is not a case). | ||
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On December 07 2013 10:25 supersoft wrote: And I want you lazy bummers to comment on my MZ shit! ASAP. Also I want everyon who votes Austin to at least quote a post or anything that contains a reason that convinced him. It's not acceptable that you just come in here and be like: "uh so hard to read. need to sleep voting austin/MZ/Roffels - yolo" There is no case on MZ and you want people on austin to explain their votes? wtf man? austin is useless and only makes connection cases that are bullshit. are you scum ss? | ||
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What i don't understand that there are no explanations for MZ votes yet only thing you are pushing for is reasoning for austin votes. | ||
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People should vote for austin but me yelling it over and over again won't make it happen. Well maybe it would but if townies can't think with their own brain so be it. | ||
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On December 07 2013 10:42 justanothertownie wrote: Rayn, if you want me to vote austin show me the case on him/convince me. What you are doing right now does not make me want to lynch austin. This is the fucking worst post of the century. | ||
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"One of MZ/REan is scum" "oh but Roffles is scum.. if MZ & Rean are town" "these couple of dudes are town" And that's it. MZ has talked about probably every player in the game and in nowhere near wishy-washy as 80% of the people in this fucking game. So no, if you want to lynch MZ go ahead but i am telling you he is gonna flip town. | ||
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Your post about "i don't wanna figure shit out so rayn tell me who should i vote and why" is 1000x scummier than any post MZ has made this game. | ||
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On December 07 2013 10:52 justanothertownie wrote: Austin spoke about quite a few other players. He did a quite lenghty analysis of JL for example where he came to the same conclusion as you btw. Fuck he analyzed a guy and ended up in a townread other people have said the same thing aswell. Makes him totally town. | ||
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On December 07 2013 10:54 justanothertownie wrote: Yeah, what an evil scummer I am asking you for reasoning. Should have probably just parked my vote saying nothing and peaced like every other dude. Yah and asking for reasoning makes me think you don't even read the thread because i have given my reasoning before you asked. | ||
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On December 07 2013 10:58 justanothertownie wrote: You said his reads aren't read without providing even a single piece of evidence. Wow, impressing rayn, impressing. I don't get how you can be so fucking sure about both of their alignments. If you read his filter that's pretty easily seen. I can't possibly quote his reads when there are no reads on people who i said. I could quote all his posts about Rean/MZ/Roffles but they are a big pack of nothing so i don't care. And the concusions are what i already said. austin is being wishy-washy as fuck and has no real scumreads. That very simple. | ||
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On December 07 2013 11:01 justanothertownie wrote: Great. Do you like that better rayn? no, i hate that. | ||
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On December 07 2013 11:03 justanothertownie wrote: Austin had MZ as scum really early in the game and before the whole Koshi thing. So because austin had MZ as scumread it gives him a free pass to harp on MZ about Koshi? To be honest MZ was being totally reasonable about Koshi, Koshi has been so fucking incredibly bad this game i don't even know what to think of him. Maybe we should lynch him on D3. | ||
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It's not the most blatant scummy stuff ever, but his were some posts that just didn't feel like they were DOING anything to me. Looking closer, apart from the gtrsrs stuff very early, just trying to build discussion, his filter is pewp imo. And the very fact that he'd try to start discussion early and then just...fade away into poking at LBS doesn't sit well with me. Having a couple townie posts early on into nothing always seems like what scumvets do. no need to read the rest when the dude says it's not necessarily scummy. | ||
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Vote whoever you think is scum. I'm going to bed. You know what i think. | ||
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justanothertownie - totally town. Invested in the game and trying to figure out shit. sandroba - in case his meta has done a full 180 he is town. Meapak_Ziphh - I still think MZ is being genuine and trying to find mafia. Anyways not a good lynch because he is amongst the people who are most willing to solve the game. Cases on him have been poor. jcarlsoniv - I believe his "doctor" claim and his targets for lantern have been okay. I was not roleblocked on N1. kushm4sta - feels like he is really invested in this game and he hates playing scum so i think he's town JonnyLaw - feels genuine and while he has not done much his contributions have been okay ticklishmusic - unless VE is mafia and/or he is lying about his role this guy is town. gtrsrs - i think he's too confused at some points to be scum. kinda useless meh :/ Roffles - totally useless but i think he just does not give a fuck. but dick move analysis says he's town because he does not care if he lives or dies Risen - Seems like normal town!idontgiveafuck!Risen. I think he would be more pro-active if he was scum. strong town read. Oatsmaster - seems like usual town!Oats to me. VisceraEyes - if has copped people town, if not scum. contributions are pretty non-existent. would like to see more from him. Chezinu - has crumbed a lot of stuff i think mafia would not crumb. has also crumbed a lot of stuff that he should not crumb as town. i thought he was town but now i am not so sure of it any more. a good investigation target because definitely has a really strong role. supersoft - on the other hand has town told a lot. On the other hand feels like he doesn't wanna do much while being quite active. ugh.. hard to tell, i would hope he posted more things that actually contribute to the game. jaybrundage - some things are good, some things are terribad. could go either way. Koshi - could go either way. needs to invent the police radio. If he doesn't, lynch him on D3. If he gives it to someone who is not likely to be town, lynch him on D3. other than his role i would say scum, because he is just playing so poorly. Onegu - need to read his filter, i have not payed too much attention on him. Mocsta - impossible to say. A part of me thinks he is town but a part of me refuses to believe that. I don't think his case on MZ was good and the way he approached it was even worse (not talking about Prome's case in the first place and then just trying to justify his case later on with it - i did not like it at all). Mig - very very useless. I do not think he is here to find mafia. LSB - talks about setup, then talks more about setup, then nothing useful. scum. Rean - useless, like totally. only read he has had was austin and we all know what he flipped. most likely scum Coagulation - useless [redacted]. kil, lynch or whatever with fire. nothing more to say. | ||
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On December 07 2013 20:38 Koshi wrote: Oh and I not playing poorly at all Mr rayn let's lynch townies all day everyday. Kkthx. Cuz it is proven that you yourself are incredible wrong about reads ALL the fucking time. So let's keep the X is bad talk away till you actually are figuring out the game. Because you are not. Proof? You lynched 2 townies. Kkthx rayn. I think you should die for this post you useless sheep. Way to blame others when you are not even trying to scumhunt. | ||
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Which ones of his contributions were good again? | ||
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In addition to that i thought he had a scumread on VE, why not push someone he was "more certain of" instead of parking a vote on lurker!Roffles? | ||
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And no supersoft. If you are giving outs in your cases you can't get scum lynched. If you say "but it also could be this" what are you going to do when the accusee comes and says "yeah it's that"? You debunk your own case before you even got a response because you are already giving the right answers to the person you are accusing. | ||
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He has no real reads, he liked Onegu's case on Odin and now he is saying Odin was not his top scumread. However other scumreads he had were Risen and MZ. He halfly retracted his scumread on Risen here: Feels like a good vote, austin looks cool. Risen not really but ok. Then he votes for MZ. But MZ wasn't even scummy? On December 07 2013 10:01 Koshi wrote: My vote on you MZ is because I believe both geript and Mocsta are town. They were a constant presence in this thread and they were giving opinions and putting them out there. Mocsta maybe a bit less than geript. Anyway, they aren't scum. rayn isn't scum marv isn't scum. Mig is being sincere I think and not scum. supersoft is a bit harder but meh, null read that looks pretty willing to move thread forward constantly. So I am just landed with you and VE on vets. And be it that you and VE are ignoring each other hardcore. Except VE saying that you attacking me was totally justified. (at least I think it was VE, but doesn't matter) So yeah. I don't have strong strong feelings towards MZ lynch. But I think it is probably a good one. Also, I am lacking any other decent read. Also, you attacked me. What can I say. Life is life. Also the second bolded line. He lacs a good scumread but he thought Onegu's case was "very good". I think we should lynch Koshi on D3, he is scum. | ||
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On December 07 2013 23:51 Koshi wrote: rayn let's be friends for 1 more night. Don't forget there is an item from me around that should "confirm" 3 people town / scum. dun worry, i am not stupid. | ||
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On December 08 2013 07:43 Chezinu wrote: rayn what is my alignment? What is my knowledge? town or mafia, you're too dumb lately. too much <3 | ||
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Koshi i want to know why you did this instead of the Police radio that's 100x more useful? | ||
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How is this so fucking hard? And why you idiots miss the obvious? Mig and jcarl are both mafia because they talk shit out of their ass. | ||
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On December 09 2013 01:47 jcarlsoniv wrote: Yes, it does. KP would be an action. Wow.. I must be pretty useless in the end. I can't block KP, only abilities (meaning not factional KP). I confirm VE did not do any dmage last night to anyone, at least over 100 KP. | ||
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On December 09 2013 01:56 sandroba wrote: mocsta/lsb jumping on kush early on in the day looks terrible btw. So do the people jumping on Koshi and ignoring Coag. | ||
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5. Who the fuck healed Risen? This is really interesting. At least he did not do that himself. I am masoned with him. | ||
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On December 09 2013 02:06 Koshi wrote: Meh it could have been pretty good if scum divided different. Don't really understand how we are not lynching Coag who just nuked marv. Also, don't bitch about inventions, I am working with limits and I sadly can't make OP items so that you people can just follow the items instead of finding scum. Don't even understand why I am getting blamed for 'not making OP items" when I fucking cant. Next night I shall suggest an item that reveals all scum to me. Why would scum divert KP? I suggested that in GoT and got told it was the stupidest idea ever (wihch it isn't if town does not know who is scum). You should know scum do not divert KP, they want people dead, not noone dead and people "half-alive". | ||
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On December 09 2013 02:08 justanothertownie wrote: Interesting thougth. So I shot rayn too - wonderful. But who healed rayn? What? How? | ||
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On December 09 2013 02:24 VisceraEyes wrote: I used my check - I'll be using my lazer pewpew later on today. ITS GONNA BE A DOOZY GUYS! Shoot Coag so we can lynch someone else and have some conversation. | ||
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On December 09 2013 02:25 justanothertownie wrote: Well, I shot Risen for 225 I guess that's obvious. Yeah, JL could be Kassadin. If that's the case Mocsta looks good and Rayn really bad I think. explain. | ||
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On December 09 2013 02:33 justanothertownie wrote: Well, Mocsta was attacking him pretty hard (I admit that's not that indicative as long as JL isn't lynched) and you defended him very strongly. Since I am having a bad feeling about you anyways and Kassadin is a very useful role for scum this does not help you in my eyes. But let's stop this for now as it is very speculative. Why exactly do i look bad? | ||
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On December 09 2013 04:38 justanothertownie wrote: You said it yourself. You were the scummiest useless lurker to me so I shot you - end of story. This can't possibly be true JAT.. | ||
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I called out Kush, got shit on by a couple people because that's how he plays. I didn't realize people intentionally play like shit and post one liners that don't help town at all. That was my original complaint about rayn. Now he gets praised for having the largest filter in the game. ...to this.. [/quote]rayn, kush and ss all play comfortably. Too comfortably for scum. I lean town on all three.[/quote] ??? | ||
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On December 08 2013 16:22 Onegu wrote: Anyway Im going to start my filterdives now. I think I group things into five and post my note/thoughts each time I finish 5 people. It's been a day Onegu, where are the filterdives? | ||
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I am still confused about JAT's reasoning to shoot Risen over other lurkers, like Coag, Rean etc. I don't see how Risen is more scummy than any of those people. On top of that Risen has a protective role and was roleblocked on N1. Unless JAT believes the roleblocker is town (which is quite clear they are not as they should have claimed roleblocking Risen) there is no way he should have shot Risen on N2. | ||
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I want to hear why JAT believes Risen is more scummy than Rean. He said "because Risen just voted for austin's lynch". Guess what, so did Rean, aactually that's the only thing Rean has done in this game besides... shooting austin on D1.. JAT you need to explain why Risen is more scummy than Rean considering the things i have just pointed out. | ||
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So all people who have KP you are going to talk and consolidate your KP starting N3, otherwise we lynch you. | ||
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On December 09 2013 18:18 Koshi wrote: I could. But I am groing tired of doing what you want with my inventions. Then make something better. But be sure that's better and kills mafia. Right now your inventions have not found single mafia. You invent a check. You out the person you gave the check for no reason. Of course he's gonna get roleblocked. Smells fishy. You invent the ambulance radio. Did that find scum? I doubt. Did that find townies? Not really as people are idiots and won't claim doing damage. If you had invented the police radio we could be sure of VE's alignment because it had shown if he did try to check someone or not. There is also a possibility of a tracker & watcher in the game so those reports would have been outed aswell. So yeah, unless you make something useful do as i say. Right now tbh you have been the most useless inventor i have ever seen in a PYP game... That being said. This is why Risen is town. Look at what his mason does. It makes me and him lovers. So: Risen scum - rayn town: Does not make sense. If Risen is scum he effectively just made himself to take all the damage in this game i take. He has already taken damage so by that way mafia can't possibly hit me. Makes sense, when he could just protect his scumbuddy instead? If anyone thinks he would do that, all i can say is rofl. Risen scum - rayn scum: Good job Risen, you just made two scum lovers. Best plan 2013. rofl. Therefore, even if you do not think i am town Risen using his ability on me (or on anyone) does not make any sense because he could just use the doc on scumbuddy instead. He is town. | ||
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On December 09 2013 18:24 Koshi wrote: I shall also add that I will not do this. My first item was pretty cool but you fuckers keep pressuring me to tell who I give my items to and what it is. I am not telling you people anything anymore. I told you to NOT tell who you gave that item. Why are you saying the opposite? Do i need to quote myself where i very clearly tell you to NOT TELL WHO YOU GIVE THE ITEM?!?!? | ||
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On December 05 2013 00:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also i have no idea why are you doing what you are Koshi. You are not supposed to tell who you are giving the item. Deccide it yourself and not just say "okay marv is my only town read i'll give him more HP yes best item 2013". Don't you have any creativity? With the items and the tragets you are supposed to help not only finding mafia but proving your innocence. Right not you're just being meh.. And not only with inventions and your plans but with your play. Why are you lying Koshi? | ||
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1) People pressured him to tell who he gives his items 2) People pressured him to tell what his items do From what i remember it went down like this: 1) Koshi himself said on N1 he's gonna give the item to marv. Nobody pressured him to do that. I told him the opposite. On D2 start Koshi says "Fube we need to have a talk". That's like a fucking claim "Hi fuba you have my item". 2) I am not sure if what Koshi suggests is true. I remember Koshi outing what the item does. I need to check if people "pressured him to do so" or not. In case Koshi is lying about 1 and 2 i suggest we lynch him, from what i know he is at least lying about 1. | ||
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On December 04 2013 19:21 Koshi wrote: Ah seeing marv. To docs around the world. All heal/protect/guard marv. Thank You! On December 04 2013 23:37 Koshi wrote: There is a big chance my item will be rejected. In that case my back-up item will be an gimped Aegis to marv. We are all sad. On December 05 2013 04:21 Koshi wrote: Going to say once more that all healers should be on marv. He is 100% town. On December 05 2013 18:19 Koshi wrote: I have to give them to people and hope they are townies D: Mr. Lion King. We need to talk. On December 05 2013 18:24 Koshi wrote: Well. I am not certain because host made changes. But I am pretty sure that I could tell the big lines. On December 05 2013 19:10 Koshi wrote: I wanted to create an event with a big picture and normally all this should have been done in the thread. But hosts didn't allow that it seems so it is probably a night action. This is what it does. + Show Spoiler + Please type in the thread: ##Baby: Player X ##Mother: Player Y ##Mother: Player Z There will be a parity cop check done. In case X & Y have the same alignment and X & Z have a different alignment. Player Z will die. In case X & Y have a different alignment and X & Z have a different alignment. Player Y will die. In case the result of the parity copcheck X & Z and X & Y are the same (either both same or different) nothing will happen. 1) In case there is a player that's stupid enough to not know you claimed to have given an item to marv idk how stupid you expect people to be. So yes, you basically claimed to give an item to marv/Fuba. 2) Here you also claim you do not know what the item does. But before that you claimed hosts did not accept your item as you invented it. A bit later you say you in fact do know what the item does and its tweaks. All this happened on D1, so i think you are lying. Either you did not know what to tell people or you are not the inventor but someone else in your team is and you did not know the real invention. There is no way what you said is true, because even if the hosts did not tell you what the item does and tweaked it they would have: 1) Told you "that's OP, invent something else", or 2) At the phase change "this is how we tweaked your item because it was OP" What you say has to be lies. It makes no sense. And lying in this instance makes you mafia. | ||
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On December 09 2013 19:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's as useful as any other ability of that role in certain situations. oops wrong thread. | ||
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On December 09 2013 19:46 kushm4sta wrote: rayn I dont understand this completely, but koshi's story kind of seems too complex to be a lie. if scum were inventor would they really lie about it like this? In case people pressure Koshi to out what his invention does (like he says) and he is not the inventor but someone else in his team is, or he does not know what he wants his team to say about it. Do you think hosts would not tell Koshi what he invented? That would be really stupid in my opinion. | ||
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Yes i think Koshi is more likely to be mafia. Could you read what i wrote about him and comment on it please. | ||
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That being said the only person who should visit us next night is a possible watcher. In case they see someone visiting us they are likely scum. If a tracker sees someone visiting us they are likely scum. My plan is to block mafia KP. | ||
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On December 09 2013 20:10 justanothertownie wrote: Why wouldn't I? You have to keep in mind that they aren't real lovers though. We are for D3 and N3. | ||
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On December 09 2013 20:17 justanothertownie wrote: Yeah, but you only take damage/effects together you don't necessarily die together like lovers since you probably have significantly more HP than Risen left me thinks. That's my point, why would he do what he did as mafia regardless of my affiliation? If he is scum he makes me not considered as mafia hit (noone should doc us next night btw). If i am scum too he makes us both exposed to town KP. It makes no sense when he can just doc a scumbuddy instead.. | ||
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On December 09 2013 20:22 justanothertownie wrote: I guess everybody thinks coag should die for this - the question is do we lynch him or do we shoot him (lynching is probably safer). I think jcarl looks rather townie than scummy and I would be highly surprised if ticklish was scum taking that much confirmed damage. Why would you taunt me? If I shot you I would hit Risen aswell. I don't understand. I take only half damage. Basically here is what we are going to do: Risen is going to shield me and it's gonna absord a fuckton of dmg. I am going to taunt someone we think is most likely to send in scum KP. If i hit right noone dies and we got a confirmed scum. | ||
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On December 09 2013 20:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: VisceraEyes - You need to explain how are you responsible for damage done to ticklishmusic! Basically, i think both of VE and Koshi are scum. Koshi did not invent the police radio because it had given out VE's alignment. VE claims he is responsible for doing 849 damage to ticklishmusic. I don't even care how, because guess what VE. I taunted you last night so in case you are responsible for any damage it should have gone to me and in that case i should have taken 444,5 damage. /dunked | ||
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On December 09 2013 20:35 supersoft wrote: why would you taunt the cop? i mean, what happens to his check then?! Nothing, it only work on KP done. What's your role ss, i think you should claim too. | ||
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On December 09 2013 20:38 justanothertownie wrote: Maybe I am blind but how did you get the idea VE did the damage to ticklish, rayn? I don't see it to be honest. Oh shit he posted " ! " instead of " I " when ticklish was asking about the connection between 1 dmg to sandro N1 and him N2. Yeah there is no idea behind that, i misread his post, i thought he climed to somehow be responsible for that. Now who would hit me with 100 dmg? Unless it was the player who i taunted.. 100 dmg does nothing useful.. dun dun.. I'm telling who i taunted tonight. | ||
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On December 09 2013 20:46 justanothertownie wrote: Yeah, I am somewhat puzzled by the damage on you and Risen. It would make sense that both of you took 100 because one of you was attacked but Risen claimed to take additional 50 damage and you did not - how is that possible? Risen took 325. His ability did not work on me until D3 start. We were not connected on N2. | ||
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On December 09 2013 02:17 Mid or Feed wrote: Host correction: HP Changes (totals): Chezinu 900 damage Mig 50 damage VisceraEyes 50 damage raynpelikoneet 100 damage Risen 325 damage Coagulation 50 damage ticklishmusic 749 damage HP Checks: Yeah the corrected report says he took 325. If we were connected we would have taken the same amount both. I dunno what's up with 375 - 325? | ||
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Resolve - At night, you chain target player to you and also mason him non-anonymously. Abilities that affect one of you also affect the other. (Abilities that fit the 'Items/trap' designation do not follow this rule.) Lasts 2 phases. Also i dunno why would i not be masoned with him on N2 if that was the case. Like the other half of his power would work differently than the other one.. | ||
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On December 09 2013 20:58 kushm4sta wrote: on the one hand I think it's a very weird story for scum to make up. On the other hand, there are a lot of things that don't make sense about coag's story. So ideally coag comes in and explains some stuff about his story, like why did fuba get lynched even though mz talked first. If coag doesn't explain himself or doesn't provide sufficient answers then I want to lynch him. So what do you think of Koshi's story? Do you think hosts wrote a different role than how the role in fact works? | ||
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On December 09 2013 20:59 justanothertownie wrote: KP roles off the top of my head: JAT - unknown KP role - 225 damage on Rean N1, 225 damage on Risen N2 mkfuba - unknown KP role - 125 damage on JL N1 Mig - Cho'Gath - 125 damage on MZs clone N1 LSB - Tryndamere - able to jump over people for 50 damage VE - Lux - claims to be able to do damage Onegu - KP role - can do damage Some VTs are able to do 50 damage (Rean for example). Wait why did you change your target from N1 to N2? That makes no sense to me. So either scum hit me, 2 scum VT's hit me, or the player i taunted tried to hit someone. supersoft what did you do last night? | ||
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On December 09 2013 21:04 kushm4sta wrote: You have a much better understanding of the koshi thing than I do, so I am inclined to just trust you on it. The thing that gives me some hesitation about koshi is that if he were scum, it seems like he would have lied about the inventions in a much different, more blatant way. Maybe not though. Like I said I trust you more than myself on this matter. Not impressed with koshi's response to it either. Like not impressed at all, especially shitting on MZ right there^ for no reason at all. Well Koshi can be telling the truth if hosts clarify that the inventor role info in OP is wrong. Otherwise i am inclined to think he is lying. | ||
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On December 09 2013 21:04 justanothertownie wrote: I changed my opinion on Rean after shooting him. If you are interested read my filter at that time and keep in mind I shot him almost instantly after I said "maybe he should be shot" and marv agreed. The problem is regardless of your alignment if you keep shooting different people you give scum a possibility to consolidate their KP and kill many people at the same time (sooner or later in the game). Unless you have a really strong town read on Rean you should keep shooting him. I see no reason to not keep shooting him as he ain't doing shit in this game. | ||
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On December 09 2013 21:18 supersoft wrote: they do. I have one more yellowcard today. I am throwing this one in your face right now, so you can see the damage. I suggest if you really do have another yellow card you throw it to someone else. Like Rean. ##unvote: ##Vote: Koshi | ||
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On December 09 2013 21:26 justanothertownie wrote: I have an idea, rayn: You got hit by SSs yellow card because redirect>roleblock but you took the full 100 damage because roleblock>KP/heals/whatever. Does that make any sense? What.. No it doesn't. | ||
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On December 09 2013 21:28 justanothertownie wrote: I think it does. Your damage reduce didn't work because SS roleblocked you. Ahh, i get what you are saying. If that's true it's really dumb though. | ||
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On December 09 2013 21:56 supersoft wrote: I raged because of a whole different aspect of this invention. Sandroba got hit by 1 KP night1. That means he didnt use his abilitie then. Because of the invention, the scumteam knows when sandroba used his abilitie, if they kept using 1 kp on him. That's why i think the invention is fucking scummy. I think they might have invented it, to kill sandroba. The invention has almost no use for town. I'm sorry but nothing you say here is true. Explain to me how scumteam is going to kill sandroba based on the invention? | ||
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On December 09 2013 21:59 supersoft wrote: Now you forced me to claim. I didn't want to because I thought this game I could RB some scum and survive until lategame. Thanks for ruining my gameplan btw. Now I am the one who gets to ask questions: - why did you taunt me? Because you are scummy as fuck as you are not doing anything at all besides calling MZ scum with a case that i already talked about. If you are scum you maybe would have sent in the night kill which would have resulted in me taking a lot more dmg and outing you as mafia. | ||
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On December 09 2013 22:17 supersoft wrote: I think you are a little bit stupid. Why would someone deal 1 damage to sandroba n1? Why are you avoiding the question? Scum hit sandroba for 1 kp to know if he used his power or not. As he did claim to have taken 1 kp of dmg he did not use it on N1. If scum hit sandroba for X amount of damage on N2, the guy who did that would have taken X amount of dmg as it would have reflected back to him. So how does that HP check "give away" sandrobas power again? | ||
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On December 09 2013 22:49 kushm4sta wrote: rayn, ss is looking extremely town right now. You need to reign in and focus your paranoia. We still have other scum to catch between the lurkers, the j noobs, etc. Why are you so useless? You have done nothing for the last 2 days but to call everyone town. If sandroba indeed used his ability on N2 we know who knows too much. Nothing else to say. | ||
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On December 09 2013 22:49 kushm4sta wrote: rayn, ss is looking extremely town right now. You need to reign in and focus your paranoia. We still have other scum to catch between the lurkers, the j noobs, etc. I read this as you are suggesting you know supersoft is mafia. Why did you wrote the bolded part? | ||
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Koshi must be lying about what GM's have told him (see Holyflare and Hogwarts, this is exactly the same kind of a situation). kushm4sta suggests he knows supersoft is mafia but wants to catch "other scum" instead. supersoft suggests he has information about sandroba's power use because he is bashing Koshi's invention. idk what to do yet. | ||
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On December 09 2013 23:19 kushm4sta wrote: no rayne i mean i konw he's town. we have other sscum to catch apart from koshi/mocsta/(maybe ve) is what i mean well whatever you can die because you suggest everyone is town whenever someone calls someone scum you jump in and tell that's a bad lynch or they are town. | ||
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On December 07 2013 10:14 supersoft wrote: Case on Meapak_Ziphh 1. Scummy thing: (bolded) 2. Scummy thing: However: I can understand this post. It's somehow genuine ... So this is supersoft's analysis on MZ. I want to know who agreed with this shit. 1) He agrees with MZ's analysis (should be a town tell) but it's "too much". Well guess what, i asked M to elaborate on his town read on VE, that's why he said what he did. ss does not even point out what is too much, he just quotes MZ's filter. 2) He likes the things he quotes (should be a town tell), but the last quote is "a bit too much". And how does MZ saying "stop blue hunting LSB" make him scum? supersoft does not even thing people should have claimed, why is that scummy?? 3) Here supersoft tells why he thinks MZ is town. So yeah, supersoft's case on MZ is in fact "why i think MZ is town". If townies do this sort of cases i give up. ##vote: supersoft I don't really care, that's so incredibly bad i am gonna vote for zz. | ||
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On December 07 2013 22:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: I kinda think we should lynch Koshi. Like really. He has no real reads, he liked Onegu's case on Odin and now he is saying Odin was not his top scumread. However other scumreads he had were Risen and MZ. He halfly retracted his scumread on Risen here: Then he votes for MZ. But MZ wasn't even scummy? Also the second bolded line. He lacs a good scumread but he thought Onegu's case was "very good". I think we should lynch Koshi on D3, he is scum. | ||
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In case I am not in fact his top town read, why would he give the invention to me and not Mocsta? | ||
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On December 09 2013 23:54 kushm4sta wrote: Now I will quit mafia forever if you are town, no backsies on that one. Rayne an inconclusive read does not make someone scum Well tell me dear kushmasta WHAT THE FUCK DOES IN YOUR OPINION MAKE SOMEONE SCUM? | ||
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On December 10 2013 00:03 supersoft wrote: rayn has no idea how to find scum :D it's actually quite funny. this guy produces 30filterpages and has absolutely no clue what he's doing. At least i don't make cases that say "this guy is town". | ||
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MZ did NOTHING to prove he was town while being lynched. He just showed activity. The ONLY thing he did was ask "why are you voting me" and "why am I dieing". That's all.... But then again, it's pretty hard to fdefend yourself when there is no case. Absolutely noone made a case on MZ. Noone. Except supersoft and his case was "why MZ is town". lol. | ||
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On December 10 2013 04:22 Onegu wrote: Really you think ticklish took all that damage and and is scum? If he hit sandroba then yes. | ||
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Kassadin - Null Sphere - Each night during the one hour resolution period, you will receive the results of two actions that have been submitted at random (X damage, roleblock, X heal, etc.) and their targets. You may choose to silence one of the actions, causing it not to resolve. Do you guys have Kassadin ticklish or how can you know sandroba would use his ability? | ||
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Risen 12-09-2013 02:53 AM ET (US) Onegu needs to be hammered for not having reads, but he just did the same thing last game I think. I feel like ticklish knows too much... I'm starting to think this is true aswell. | ||
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On December 10 2013 18:10 Koshi wrote: Team Gambit Player is Genja. This were his favorite heroes on the wiki. Yes. Scummers come kill me now. Why would you crumb your playername as town? | ||
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On December 10 2013 18:43 mkfuba07 wrote: *shrugs* This talk of teams is likely pointless though. WoS wouldn't put this much work into developing a game just to have it solvable by name-claiming. Scum probably have fakeclaims. Actually, I kinda feel like that makes it more likely that ticklish is town. That's my point. Why would you, as town, crumb your playername? | ||
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raynpelikoneet 12-09-2013 11:06 AM ET (US) Mafia plan was obviously to hit sandroba with 1 kp until he uses his power and then kill him. What does this tell you? Koshi invented the ambulance radio. 1) Koshi is scum and therefore mafia knows they should not risk hitting sandroba with 1 KP like N1 because it outs them in case sandroba uses his power. * 2) They took a risk and hit sandroba with some other amount of dmg. I dunno what that would be, i would bet ticklish has something to do with that. maybe they have a power that let's them save KP and use it the next night (849 + 1 from N1 would make sense). In any case it incriminates supersoft and Koshi imo. In addition to that Koshi has apparently crumbed his playername. That makes no sense because if he believes playernames are alignment indicative why not force everyone to claim? If he does not believe they are alignment indicative, there is zero reason to crumb your playername unless you are scum and try to say "look guys, i look town, i even crumbed my playername". * what i say about ticklish here does not apply because i figured it makes no sense at all.. ticklish has to be town unless supersoft is just really dumb which i do not believe is the case lynch koshi and ss. | ||
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On December 10 2013 20:08 mkfuba07 wrote: The thing about the breadcrumb is that town koshi could have just absentmindedly breadcrumbed his player+team, just like many of us absentmindedly didn't breadcrumb it (I use the word "us" loosely, as I wasn't in the game at the time). I mean, he mentioned that he breadcrumbed these things pretty early on in the game, and no one thought anything of it (at least I don't remember anyone bringing it up). Clearly no one had thought it through and saw it as pointless to do so, or they'd have pointed out how pointless it was to do so. I'm just worried that we're looking for his actions to be scummy, so we're seeing them as scummy. Maybe I'm just spending too much time thinking about actions and not reading filters :S In any case, I've been up way too long. Gonna get some sleep. I don't even remember his post about breadcrumbing and if i did i would have called him out for it. There was a reason i asked people to claim their playernames in thread (VE, MZ, bum). | ||
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On December 11 2013 00:23 LSB wrote: Ambulance radio wasn't that bad of an idea considering we verified ticklishmusic. Kush, what I would like to see is some KP power for the town, easiest way to flush out lurkers without wasting lynch kp. Except that we did not verify him. | ||
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On December 11 2013 00:37 LSB wrote: Unless an SK is in the game, taking (basically) killing amounts of KP is good enough of verification for me, unless someone steps up to claim the hit If ticklish sent in mafia/SK KP towards sandroba it did reflect back on him. | ||
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Inventor can't invent KP. Not buying it especially when i first suggested it Koshi did not say anything about not being able to invent it. | ||
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On December 11 2013 02:12 sandroba wrote: Alright let me point out where the high concentration of mafia ought to be. It's them people flying under the radar and not doing shit: -JonnyLaw -Rean -Roffles -Oatsmaster (LSB) (VE) I strongly disagree. - Rean yes. - supersoft completely useless and bitched about Koshi "outing" your power use - knows too much. - Koshi lying and doesn't do anything but make angry posts. - Onegu promised reads about 5 days ago, hasn't followed up but with some shitty townreads - LSB completely useless and not interested in anything but setup shit - Mig had VE as town for taking dmg and keeps saying "it will resolve itself" but then all he does is call VE scum. Otherwise useless. - Mocsta honestly no idea but all he's done is going after kush and MZ, bad - jcarl unless he gave VE a lantern he is scum regardless of VE's alignment - ticklish scum if he does not die in a couple of nights | ||
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On December 10 2013 18:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mafia plan was obviously to hit sandroba with 1 kp until he uses his power and then kill him. What does this tell you? Koshi invented the ambulance radio. 1) Koshi is scum and therefore mafia knows they should not risk hitting sandroba with 1 KP like N1 because it outs them in case sandroba uses his power. * 2) They took a risk and hit sandroba with some other amount of dmg. I dunno what that would be, i would bet ticklish has something to do with that. maybe they have a power that let's them save KP and use it the next night (849 + 1 from N1 would make sense). In any case it incriminates supersoft and Koshi imo. In addition to that Koshi has apparently crumbed his playername. That makes no sense because if he believes playernames are alignment indicative why not force everyone to claim? If he does not believe they are alignment indicative, there is zero reason to crumb your playername unless you are scum and try to say "look guys, i look town, i even crumbed my playername". * what i say about ticklish here does not apply because i figured it makes no sense at all.. ticklish has to be town unless supersoft is just really dumb which i do not believe is the case lynch koshi and ss. | ||
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On December 11 2013 02:22 sandroba wrote: rayn, there are perfectly plausible reasoning to explain why koshi did everything he did as town too. I think you should just give him a little more time. If he is town scum is bound to kill him soonish. No sandroba, there really isn't. Only real reads Koshi has had in this game were OdinOfPergo and MZ and when MZ-lynch was talked about Koshi said MZ wasn't even his scumread. If we let alone his role use and stuff regarding that Koshi has been entirely useless all game. | ||
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rayn calls "confirmed townie supersoft" out for his bullshit logic (that in fact is knowing too much instead) about sandroba's role use regarding Koshi's invention. supersoft even acknowledges he used bad logic. this is what rayn gets for it: On December 10 2013 00:03 supersoft wrote: rayn has no idea how to find scum :D it's actually quite funny. this guy produces 30filterpages and has absolutely no clue what he's doing. Guess who was the first one to call out Coag when you were jerking off in scum QT? VE yolo shoots "confirmed townie supersoft" out of nowhere. This is what VE gets for it: On December 11 2013 01:23 supersoft wrote: How much damage does your lauer do? I am willing to not RB you if I survive. i dont want to insult you, VE. But you're giving me a hard time right now. Apparently different people deserve different kind of treatment for some reason. Oh i know, this dude is mafia. | ||
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On December 11 2013 03:18 justanothertownie wrote: I am sure this is exactly the way to get town on your side. Seriously, what is your problem? I am playing on the level other townies are. | ||
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On December 11 2013 03:22 justanothertownie wrote: And why is that? Why don't you just play on your usual townlevel? Because playing this game is useless. Everyone is useless. People are setup speculating, everyone is asking questions and not providing answers. I am the only one who is providing answers and i get shut down by "you can't know that". Why the hell is everyone only setup speculating when the apparently only answer you can possibly get is "you can't know that"? Nobody is scumhunting this game, it's quite clear, because noone provides any reads and when someone does it gets shut down by "but he has this role" or "he might be useful later on". Absolutely noone gives any crap about finding scum. This game is a complete clusterfuck because every scenario regarding people's roles and how they have interacted towards the game and if it's townie or or not gets shut down by some bullshit "idk, not sure" and then people go back to speculate same things. Then repeat. supersoft made a case on MZ that says "MZ is town". Why the fuck does noone even notice it? Did anyone even look at the case? Koshi has done jack shit this game. He has repeated Onegu is probably town because he made a case on a townie for a fucking week. Rean shot austin, voted for austin, and then said byebye. Onegu has promised to give reads for like a week. All he has had to say is Koshi is town. Mig and LSB are circlejerking the setup and then concluding "but we can't know it". A fuckton of questions and no answers. On anything in this game. Everybody else is completely useless and tbh everyone deserves to die in this game because it's impossible to find mafia when people run around in circles and do jack shit but say "you can't know it". | ||
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Koshi in TL Noir accused (correctly) of me being scum all game. He just could not make a case. He also had other reads unlike this game. Fine, i quote the conclusions of supersoft's case: First thing I notice is this whole VE obsession. Even though I mostly agree on the stuff you write, it's too much. I mean, you call VE town and then you follow that up with way too much analysis on this townie. From what I remember, VE was never in real trouble. Your contributione was unnecessary. Unnecessary analysis reeks of scum. He agrees with the stuff MZ has said, i have already pointed out about the "unnecessary analysis". I asked MZ about his read on VE, that's why he kept talking about it!!! i like the first 2 posts, the third one is a little bit over the top. Maybe because I think it's going in the wrong direction, because it's not LSB who is the problem, it's the people that claim needlessly.... He likes MZ's posts, but MZ goes "over the top" by telling LSB to not bluefish?!?!? supersoft didn't even support the massclaim which MZ is arguing against here. I can understand this post. It's somehow genuine He understands MZ's post. This is his case! This is supposed to tell how MZ is scum?? When supersoft repeatedly says how he likes MZ's posts. roflskates. I seriously don't know what to say if these sort of cases come from a townie. | ||
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On December 11 2013 04:27 justanothertownie wrote: Why wouldn't he? I don't think supersofts action on you would resolve before risen masoning you. Where do you think the damage on Risen comes from? Because Risen's power last for 2 phases, D3 and N4. If it took effect in N2 i would not be masoned with him any more. | ||
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On December 11 2013 04:46 justanothertownie wrote: Rayn, what is your current read on JL? I have no idea. Probably gonna flip town as nobody seems to be against shooting him when they could argue ~5 different other targets. Well at least you guys eliminate a role from the game.. | ||
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On December 11 2013 04:52 sandroba wrote: It seems to me that only townies are discussing killing JL rayn. How do you suppose scum is going to show up and tell us not to shoot JL? Sure if you think ss and Mig are town then you are right. I really don't care, useless lurker he is either way. | ||
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On December 11 2013 06:24 justanothertownie wrote: Chill. I for one won't lynch Risen for shielding one of you and I doubt SS will get enough people to agree with that. Yeah instead you are throwing shit on me with "it was rayn's fault you got damage on N2". Job well done. I'm done for tonight. | ||
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On December 11 2013 06:27 mkfuba07 wrote: P sure he means that if risen is shot then both of them will take damage, so it's best to protect one of them in order to try to minimize that damage. That's like lovers work. Amazingly everyone does not pay attention to anything but to the setup and roles but can't even keep a list on what's going on. This is how well this game is going. | ||
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On December 11 2013 07:10 mkfuba07 wrote: Rayn, if you're still here, who would you focus our KP on? Or do you think the idea of trying to concentrate KP is a bad idea to begin with? I've been telling to concentrate KP since D1. But people always listen to me. Usually no other times than when a mislynch happens.Rean. | ||
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When the alternative is to keep alive a doctor that heals more than apparently any other doctor AND a guy who can block mafia night kill. So yeah, i'm terribly sorry if i don't find the thread sentiment reasonable regarding Risen's power use tonight. | ||
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On December 11 2013 08:27 supersoft wrote: thats actually okay. I prefer Risen on ticklish. However your scumread mig already said that. On December 11 2013 07:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: nvm, it's impossible to even try to explain anything to people who can't even read the last page of the thread. | ||
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On December 11 2013 08:43 supersoft wrote: No scumteam in this world is going to kill you with your reads on me and mig right now. I am not worried at all about your life. I'm not worried about scum killing someone who makes "why this guy is town" cases and votes for them either. | ||
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On December 11 2013 08:46 jaybrundage wrote: Rayn can state the karma abilty please If I understand correct it can heal 300 for one person or half that (150) for two. Wouldn't it be best if he targeted only you. So that if Mafia tries to unload a big chunk of KP He could protect you with more life as opposed to him dying regardless cause his health is lower? When he targets me he automatically targets us both --> heals 300 on both of us. | ||
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On December 11 2013 09:11 supersoft wrote: he did use it... and? That's my point.. why? If he is mafia there is no point in using it unless he thought he gets hit by like 1000 KP. Do you think he thought town will hit him with 1000 KP? | ||
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On December 11 2013 09:14 supersoft wrote: we know it. people claimed to have hit him and he took no damage. in fact mig tried to hit him. So this basically means MZ has to be town unless both Mig & MZ are mafia right? | ||
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On December 10 2013 12:33 Mig wrote: Mz - n1 I got 825 back as my result. N-2 I got nothing back so my shot did not hit you. Either it was stopped or you were protected. How is it impossible again? Fuba claimed roleblocked. Is there 2 roleblockers? What? Who is lying? | ||
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On December 11 2013 09:30 justanothertownie wrote: Because he had LEGIT REASONS to assume he would be hit with a big amount of KP N2 after that lynch. That's bullshit. Town did not consolidate KP so there is no reason to assume anything like that. | ||
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Chezinu 900 damage - scum Mig 50 damage - town VisceraEyes 50 damage +200 - scum raynpelikoneet 100 damage - town (ss) Risen 325 damage - let's assume town but -100 in that case (ss) Coagulation 50 damage - town ticklishmusic 749 damage - scum so town has 425 dmg + mig 150 dmg = 575 dmg. I am pretty sure scum are at some level aware of how much KP town has. Even if town focuses all damage on MZ, why would he use his clone? He does not even die. Does town focus all dmg on MZ? Fuck no. This town is in no way capable of doing that even if MZ was confirmed scum rofl. So again, why use clone on N2? | ||
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On December 11 2013 09:47 justanothertownie wrote: lol rayn. This defense is really stupid. When would he use it if not N2 after being the main counterwagon to the lynched townie with tons of suspicion on him? If his second ability is anything like the one he claimed that one is useless anyways. You are telling us scum has no problem taking unnecessary damage because "maybe it doesn't kill me flat out"? Besides I don't think scum was sure about the amount of damage town is able to do at night 2. When he has been hit so much he actually can reasonably assume town can kill him that night.. | ||
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On December 11 2013 10:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Mig shoot me again. +1 free cop check on the guy all the scummy people call scum. best profit. | ||
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On December 11 2013 10:06 justanothertownie wrote: All abilities that would have hit you hit your clone instead. I think that includes alignment checks. Can someone tell me why we assume mkfuba was roleblocked because his ability didn't work? If he tried to use item + ability that might have been too much. Didn't people say you could only do one thing at a time? Why don't you just take the free cop check on MZ? It's N3, if he used his clone on N2 he can't use it on N3. | ||
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On December 11 2013 10:09 ticklishmusic wrote: no, we want to stick with the original plan of focusing one scum member i think... yes, but i got a PM stating i couldnt ult and use my normal ability at once when i tried. i'm sure host would have told us if you can only use item or ability. besides, didnt whoever pop the ambulance radio use their ability as well? So you are gonna let everyone just call MZ scum when you can have a free cop check on him and JL won't die to the KP anyways? What's this bullshit? Why don't people think with their brain? | ||
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1) JL takes damage and does not die 2) JL takes less dmg and does not die + MZ's alignment is clear "I'll take option (1)" And this kinda logic is why this town loses this game. And why do i even care. This should be pretty easy for anyone with half a brain. | ||
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On December 11 2013 10:13 Mig wrote: Rayn it isn't a cop check....... N1 nobody knew exactly how much kp the town had etc. You cannot say 100% that if MZ were scum he would never use his clone n1. How often do you see people hold onto their powers in mafia? Vigis pretty much always shoot asap etc. I will say I think it is more likely for a townie to use clone n1 but saying it would confirm MZ is incorrect. Well that's pretty bullshit unless you think mafia has not a single KP-role (which can't even be true) and does not know their HP-levels (which can't be true). Besides people started claiming their roles on D1 so... | ||
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On December 11 2013 10:16 justanothertownie wrote: Like I care if you take me seriously. I don't back off because the defense rayn and you are delivering is really really bad and I was leaning scum on you before anyways. Your "case" does not hold water because it's been dunked so many levels and every time you come up with a new theory and every time it gets dunked. It's pretty hilarious tbh | ||
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On December 11 2013 10:27 justanothertownie wrote: You didn't dunk anything but I am getting tired of this. No need to convince scum about their alignment. I promise I will try to look at this objectively another time at the dayphase but you 2 look really scummy to me. Both of you are only being really active and arguing when MZ is targeted by other players. It's exactly like day2 in that regard. I'm sorry but afaik i brought MZ up on N3. I offered you a way to basically cop check him because every other explanation does not make sense from mafia!MZ pov. MZ agreed to that. You didn't wanna take it. We look scummy for it. You call that logic. Well i don't want to argue about it. Do as you guys want to. I'm going to bed. | ||
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On December 11 2013 10:38 ticklishmusic wrote: Rayn, did you taunt someone who you think is mafia? ofc i did. | ||
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That being said could the VT who hit me & Risen claim? | ||
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I don't see any other possibility. ##Vote: Risen | ||
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If there is a VT who hit us please claim. | ||
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On December 11 2013 19:56 Mocsta wrote: Rayn, who did you taunt? scum who is lying, most likely. | ||
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The only possibilities are we got hit by 325 KP (which seems unlikely given the amount of NK kp) or Risen did not shield us AND i caught a liar. So if there is a VT who hit us time to claim. | ||
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Risen's mason makes every ability that targets either of us to target both of us. He says he has shielded us. The shield absorbs 300 damage. That means we should both have been healed for 300 dmg. We both took 25 dmg. 1) one of us was hit by 325 dmg 2) Risen did not shield us and i taunted someone who can do 50 dmg while they claim they can't (2) is more likely. | ||
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On December 11 2013 20:09 Mocsta wrote: I can't do dmg that is a guarantee and is easily resolved by Mig doing a HP check on me. On December 02 2013 13:06 Mocsta wrote: Im vt with 1k hp On December 11 2013 11:59 Mocsta wrote: Yikes. I took 150dmg Seems like a nice guise "to go" from 1k hp vanilla to ... hmm... VANILLA THAT CAN DO DMG! /dunked | ||
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On December 11 2013 20:18 Koshi wrote: ... There isn't going to be another 325 nuke on you 2, we just lost 4 townies. rayn, only damage from the hero that you taunted is halfed? Did Risen know this? He could just have had scum do 25 damage to you. Risen has not interacted with his scumbuddies very well, or he did not believe me when i told him i will taunt Mocsta, or something. I do not believe we were hit for 325 kp, because if Risen is town he has no reason to lie about shielding us and hitting us is a waste of dmg that can be used otherwise. Risen must be lying and Mocsta's story is fishy as fuck. Why would scum hit him last night? | ||
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That does not make sense because why do 25 dmg to us when you can just do 325 to some other townie (if Risen was town he would obviously not lie about shielding us and mafia would assume so). So most likely explanation is Risen did not shield us and is lying and therefore mafia. | ||
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On December 11 2013 22:08 Koshi wrote: Risen protected supersoft because the town asked so and then Risen asked his scumteam to do 25 damage to rayn to incriminate Mocsta. ez life. Also, where is my item? I really don't care about Mocsta right now. I care about the fact Risen lied and is mafia. Why are you not voting for him? | ||
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On December 11 2013 22:50 justanothertownie wrote: So, I am not caught up yet. Will hopefully be able to do so before I leave for a christmas party today - I don't have much time before tomorrow and if I check in later in the evening I will probably be drunk. So, JL has 225 HP left, yes? Ok, I can shoot him instantly and finish him. Opinions please. Also, Koshi you there? What is your item supposed to do if I may ask? Go ahead imo. Maybe i am just dead wrong on my reads this game. *sigh* | ||
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On December 11 2013 23:01 justanothertownie wrote: Please answer Koshi. Also I won't be lynching Risen for this - where is the scum motivation? 25 dmg? Rofl - especially not over people like MZ or jay or maybe jcarl with this weird lantern business. Actually do not shoot JL. you are probably scum. | ||
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Unless you can of course reasonably point out why would mafia waste 325 damage in hitting me or Risen to do 25 dmg (useless) considering 4 people already died during the night. | ||
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On December 11 2013 23:09 justanothertownie wrote: I don't say he is not scum but I won't lynch him for your stupid reasons. Well then point out where i am wrong. All you have done this game is the "well we don't know" bullshit. You are just asking questions, not providing answers. | ||
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On December 11 2013 23:12 justanothertownie wrote: Then tell me where the fuck is the scum motivation behind what he did? Seriously last post for now. I have no idea because i do not know what scum planned to do. The fact is he lied about shielding us and there is no town motivation to lie about it. | ||
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On December 11 2013 13:55 Risen wrote: I took 25dmg!!!! D: This post in itself. Risen does not say "holy shit we were hit for 325 kp". He says we were hit by 25 dmg. He lacks the obvious conclusion considering he should have a shied that absorbs 300 dmg. | ||
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On December 11 2013 23:19 kushm4sta wrote: huh? that doesn't seem like it proves he is mafia at all. explain for a huge dummy who has no idea what is going on rayne... why do last nights actions prove risen is mafia? Risen says he will shield me. The shield absorbs 300 dmg. Risen's mason on me makes all abilities that target either of us target both of us. Therefore we are both shielded. It is known information in thread this is what we are going to do. D4 begins: We both take 25 damage. This means either: 1) Mafia hit us with 325 damage (why would mafia waste 300 dmg on us? also considering 4 people died during the night do you think mafia would "waste" damage outside those 4 people?). 2) Risen is lying about shielding us and something happened, someone hit us with 25 dmg (if Risen is mafia he used his other ability to do something - he hasn't even claimed what does that do) 3) something else - feel free to point out what and why because i can't think of anything. | ||
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On December 11 2013 23:31 Mig wrote: Yes for the love of god activate double lynch. Also yea just shoot JL, the fact that he refuses to role claim and the fact that he just disappears when asked about it is a good indicator that he is scum. If he flips we need a lot of time to evaluate the information for a double lynch. Rayn didn't Risen say he forgot to send in a night command? Also, supersoft you still got a result back from your check, even tho jay had the lantern? Seriously where is fucking jcarl I want to hear why he gave jay the lantern. So what's the only thing Risen can do when he sees we in fact took damage in case he did not shield us? | ||
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On December 11 2013 23:52 Mig wrote: Mocsta what are you talking about. How about we lynch the 2 people we think are most likely to be scum. Rayn, I do not know what Risen did with his power just telling you what he said. A lot is going to depend on if JL flips scum. If he flips scum then you know that if Risen were mafia he could have shielded him and didn't. So if that happens then I am inclined to believe Risen was just being a retard. What? How can you even suggest something like that when you don't know what his other ability is? What if he has damage as his other ability? If he had shielded JL and JL is mafia woudn't that give away his alignment right away? Both of them. And why do you believe this "omg lolz i forgot to send in my night action" bullshit when something goes south? Because i do not as from the ~60 posts in our QT half of them is talk about how do we use our night actions. | ||
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On December 11 2013 23:57 Mig wrote: I thought his other power was mason? I guess you are suggesting he doesnt have a shield at all? Every role has at least 1 hidden ability. Risen has not claimed what his is. | ||
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On December 12 2013 00:42 sandroba wrote: Cheer up, we got coag yesterday and I guarantee you JL is going to flip scum. I actually thought JL is scum yesterday for his sudden read change on me and kush but lost the train of thought at some point because people are just posting fluff. Ugh.. sandroba could you look at Mig's filter. Mainly his stance on VE. It does not make much sense to me. After N1 he calls VE "near confirmed town because he took dmg" etc, and after that VE appears to be his scumread for some reason but he never wants to lynch him.. Seems like a "contribution" that is not even supposed to ever achieve anything. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + First there is this, that's reasonable. On December 05 2013 13:17 Mig wrote: This close to confirms VE as town, and pretty much 100% confirms him if ticklish is town. For VE to take over 250 dmg either multiple townies with large kp roles had to have shot him (unlikely considering he claimed to pick lux) or mafia tried to kill him. The fact that mafia only killed one person last night just adds to this. but then: On December 10 2013 06:10 Mig wrote: I am home and caught up. Koshi did you purposefully include the hp checks section of the medic radio? I tried to shoot MZ last night to confirm if he was telling the truth about his ability. I got no result. Not sure if I was rbd or mz was protected or what. If MZ was protected somehow last night could explain why the crown didn't work. Coag obviously should be lynched today, has a mafia favored role, his claim about the nuke doesn't make sense etc. VE looks terrible, he is putting totally no effort into the game and why didn't mafia shoot him last night? They roleblocked fuba apparently so they really just left VE alone to use his power? I guess it is possible they have 2 rbers and roleblocked VE also but that seems unlikely. He then coincidentally decides to target his power on the guy who has the ability to block himself off for 2 nights. Some of the suspicious things VE has done this game 1) claims lux immediately, which allows him to be role blocked or killed by the mafia. He is a parity cop he takes awhile before he gets good checks claiming immediately is awful. His explanation that he is a big target at the #3 spot anyway is retarded. 2) jcarl gives him the lantern and he claims in thread he wont use it. Why? Even if he is suspicious of jcarl he doesn't know for a fact that jcarl is mafia. If he was town he should claim he was going to use it even if he wasn't because if jcarl is town maybe mafia wouldn't use their powers on him that night. 3) chooses to use his check on the guy whose only power we know for sure is to block yourself off for 2 nights. Even if you think hes mafia there are a lot safer checks to try and make sure you actually get something useful. Especially for your first check that will actually tell us anything. Either VE is playing an incredibly dumb town game where he does not think about his actions at all or he is mafia. On December 11 2013 01:23 Mig wrote: VE why are you claiming who you are shooting in the middle of the night...... Are you just never worried about role blocks? On December 11 2013 01:28 Mig wrote: Did you send in the order for this already, shouldn't you have checked with the hosts about whether you can use both powers first? A check is way way more important than your laser which wont even kill anyone. On December 11 2013 01:29 Mig wrote: VE that is a bullshit excuse, if you are town you are playing truly awful this game. I am not sure I believe you would play this terribly. On December 11 2013 01:31 Mig wrote: I wouldn't need to point out how scummy you are if every action you did wasn't scummy. You havent done a single thing to help the town the entire game. On December 11 2013 02:46 Mig wrote: Now isn't the time for a pity party VE. If you are town you can prove it by helping. I may call your actions scummy but I am looking for the best possible play here and it is why I continue to talk to you and ask you questions. On December 11 2013 02:52 Mig wrote: Not referring to your RL problems. I just mean this, since I have said you haven't helped town you will just take your ball and go home instead of putting any effort into helping. People have called me useless many times, I was annoyed last game when supersoft insulted me repeatedly and talked about how terrible I must be but I don't cry about it, if you are town then suck it up and show me I am wrong. Like what? He thinks VE is confirmed town but he has ~10 posts why VE is scum. Not to mention i quoted like 60% of Mig's real analysis in this game. | ||
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On December 12 2013 00:56 Risen wrote: I'm confused lol. My mason ability does not make things that affect one of rayn/I affect both. When did that get started? This is pretty interesting because this is what your role says: Karma - Each night you may use either Resolve or Inspire. Resolve - At night, you chain target player to you and also mason him non-anonymously. Abilities that affect one of you also affect the other. (Abilities that fit the 'Items/trap' designation do not follow this rule.) Lasts 2 phases. Inspire - At night, you can grant a shield to any other player. This shield lasts only for the phase in which it is used. Mantra - Nobody likes Karma but she's come to terms with it and just meditates to strengthen her resolve instead. Your regular abilities are granted an extra effect. Usable every time you would otherwise use the regular version of the ability at night. You cannot use the same ability on consecutive nights, but you CAN use the regular ability and then the Mantra'd version. | ||
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##unvote It makes no sense that Risen is lying and that mafia hit us with 25 gmg. What does that achieve? Out Risen as scum? oh god this game.. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Risen Oh man that's an incredibly good point :O Another completely off the wall thing is that he got inventor because he was able to choose it first knowing what X number of people were submitting as their numbers which helped him/other mafia members a lot. It wouldn't entirely surprise me to see more mafia near the top of the first list than near the bottom. raynpelikoneet Too bad it's impossible to even try to get anyone understand that in thread. raynpelikoneet /m66: Koshi CLAIMED he got hit with 50 kp on D2. Chezinu role-copped me and OUTED my other power in thread on D2. STILL mafia did not kill Koshi. idk if that does not in itself make him scum what does? Why would you NOT kill inventor when you can at the same time incriminate me (saying why did you not protect him - you are lying)? There is literally no reason other than Koshi is mafia. Risen Man I used to think masons were useless, but talking things out with you is helping me keep my thoughts in line and paranoia isn't taking over. Risen Nah I'm town. I just like being alive at endgame. Just a pleasure thing. And yeah that's actually a really good point about koshi rofl. Like, if scum hit him then they'd probably continue hitting him n2 under the assumption he was going to die right? raynpelikoneet My other ability was one shot, it made the target immune to 2 first abilities used on him for 4 phases, it also gave them -4 votes on the following 2 days. I used it on Koshi N1 and fakeclaimed it nullifies all damage and abilities done to them. Apparently someone was able to hit Koshi with 50 kp on N1, so i am a bit puzzled why scum did not kill Koshi on N2. (probably because he is scum rofl) raynpelikoneet haha, are you a third party? and no, i am not scum. if the person i target sends in KP whoever they target gets reflected to me instead and the KP does only half damage. It's like a lightning rod but it absorbs half of the dmg. Risen I'm fine with Mocsta (as in I'm fine with you choosing him) Risen I can't actually remember what you do. Taunt draws stuff to you at half dmg, what does your other ability do? Because I feel like you got fucked rofl. Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to suicide yourself attempting to protect other people while not knowing their alignment and having no way of finding that information out.... :< Risen Meh, I don't particularly care if you're scum. I just want to be alive at endgame. So if you're scum plz tell your team not to shoot me :< Hahaha raynpelikoneet I don't even think if my power works on scum KP but i need to believe it does because otherwise i am useless as fuck. The role is bullshit if that's the case. What's the point of drawing some shitty 50-100 KP onto yourself? The role would be "you can BLOCK 1/20 of the nightkill". wow.. so useful.. rofl :D raynpelikoneet tbh if you are scum masoning me would have been a really good plan. I actually already had sent in my power on you, because you masoning me and then sending in scum KP would have been brilliant and the fact that it's really hard to hit the night kill sender. but the stupidity of people in thread forces me to believe you are town, like i can't think of anything else unless all my reads are crap and town is effectively shooting themselves, so i changed the target to Mocsta. I don't really think jcarl is mafia, he gave me the lantern after all for N1. And even if he is i think he is unlikely to send in scum KP as he is considered scum for some people. I think Mocsta is my best bet. Risen I am forced to agree :/ Even if ss is town JAT comes away looking really bad from that. I like how he's got me as a solid town read now in spite of the fact that he shot me last night and I've literally done nothing today. Too much scum. raynpelikoneet i'm gonna go buy some cigarrettes. I'll be back in about 15-20min if you wanna chat. raynpelikoneet Like who the hell says "supersoft didn't even shoot you and if he did it was rayn's fault". wtf is that supposed to achieve? raynpelikoneet haha you are right! i do not really care about what's going on in thread since it's quite clear i'm not listened to so i'd rather focus on the other game going on and talk with you here. Risen Shit happens. I'm shielding you as I don't particularly want to be in the game anymore. Plus, your taunt seems pretty damn useful and if scum actually manages to not kill me then we can keep doing whatever we want lol. The potential for you to absorb 600KP is just too good. raynpelikoneet omfg those people. i can't believe someone even suggest that dumb bullshit. raynpelikoneet Your choise, but if you don't and scum shoot me they effectively kill us both. rofl. Anyone asking to shield ss or anyone besides us is ridiculous imo. Risen I'm doing well. Shield ss is hilarious, though. Plan still for me to shield you tonight? raynpelikoneet I have pretty much nothing to say. Thread is doing something, probably gonna shoot a townie. I don't really care. How are you? ^^ Risen Man I had forgotten about Roffles, too! raynpelikoneet and rean. raynpelikoneet people who should die: -superoft -koshi -onegu -LSB -Mig -Roffles(?) -mocsta(?) -jcarl(?) raynpelikoneet hmm, jcarl is a decent pick i agree. Risen I'd guess jcarl. What the hell happened to him? See? Perfect guy to send in. I wouldn't have even thought of him if I wasn't actively trying to think about him. raynpelikoneet /m43: hmm i dunno about him. i'd say if he does not die this or the next night we should strongly consider him scum. There is no way scum will leave a town medic alive like that when they can hit him basically "for free". Let's do the plan right? Use your shield on me i try to find someone to use my power on. Let's see if we can hit the scum KP delivery with it. We should not take enough damage to die in any case as my power halves the dmg if i hit correctly. Who would you suggest is the most likely person to send in scum KP? Risen So ticklish... Risen Nice job with Coag Risen Wait, so it says how much someone took? Oh shit I misread my PM and thought I had X50 not X00 Risen I don't fully understand the ambulance radio. What does it do? As far as the 1hp dmg it could possibly be a clever mechanic like "if you take dmg tonight deal the amount of health you have remaining as dmg to a target or as a reflection" I don't know how it works in game. Risen My mantra can be used every night but not on consecutive abilities. Mantra for masoning means I mason AND jail Mantra for shield splits the 300 single target shield into 2 shields for 150 on my target and I Risen I took 375, not 325, I'm serious haha. My PMs from the hosts last night went You have X-275 HP. then another at end of night that said You have X-375 HP. raynpelikoneet Mafia plan was obviously to hit sandroba with 1 kp until he uses his power and then kill him. What does this tell you? Koshi invented the ambulance radio. 1) Koshi is scum and therefore mafia knows they should not risk hitting sandroba with 1 KP like N1 because it outs them in case sandroba uses his power. 2) They took a risk and hit sandroba with some other amount of dmg. I dunno what that would be, i would bet ticklish has something to do with that. maybe they have a power that let's them save KP and use it the next night (849 + 1 from N1 would make sense). In any case it incriminates supersoft and Koshi imo. raynpelikoneet I seriously don't know who is mafia because noone is playing the game. - i think supersoft knows sandroba used his reflection last night and is scum - Koshi is full of shit and i think he is scum - ticklish could know too much as you suggest, that would mean he used KP on sandroba and it reflected back to him - Coag still most likely mafia - Onegu probably scum because of his "i'll read now" and then not following up on it - Rean is a beacon of uselessness, same can be said about LSB, Mig, etc.. bleh.. like fucking everyone. I'm really frustrated because noone is trying. it's basically impossible to to do anything. I'm probably not going to post in thread any more, let's just chat here, it's far more useful than arguing with those idiots. I think Mocsta and sandroba are town, and that's basically it, anyone else could be mafia.. raynpelikoneet Also why did you say you took 375 dmg when you took 325? raynpelikoneet Do you know what your Mantra does if you use it in addition to your other powers? raynpelikoneet I am pretty sure Koshi is scum unless hosts made the inventor role completely useless or made it random in sense of "yolo we do not tell you what your inventions do". I think Koshi is just straight out lying. raynpelikoneet If JAT keeps shooting you he claims scum. I just explained in thread why you have to be town. I think it would be better to taunt the player we think is going to send in mafia KP. As if JAT keeps shooting you he claims scum and if we guess correctly we out mafia. Risen I vote you taunt JAT tonight since I actually do think he's going to continue shooting me. He doesn't do more than 300, though, so I'm going to mantra shield which will shield the both of us for 150. Then I'm going to pray scum doesn't deal more than my hp pool in dmg to me >.< Risen Haha you're on a roll in thread man. raynpelikoneet Let's see if anyone still thinks you are mafia. Easy catches. ^_^ raynpelikoneet I am going to suggest that Koshi invents a KP and gives it to you. That's the best thing he can do imo. Then we can decide a shot on D4. raynpelikoneet /m25 yeah that's a pretty good plan! ^^ Risen I'm actually ok with killing Onegu for not following through on a promise as a policy lynch. TL needs more of those. Caog should go first, though. Risen I only block 300KP with my shield but that means combined with your taunt you can absorb 600dmg from the person you're taunting :O raynpelikoneet /m19: Onegu needs to die because he promised to do something and didn't do it. I am sick of people promising to do stuff and not following it up. raynpelikoneet Oh shit, Prome was Kha'Zix. Okay that basically proves Coag is mafia. He can't have gotten a nuke himself, and no townie would ever give a nuke to Coag and he said the nuke was not his but "i got a nuke". So someone must have given it to him. Kha'Zix was the only role that Coag could possibly be if he was town. raynpelikoneet I think Coagulation is this: Kha'Zix - Evolution - Survival of the fittest! As a dangerous predator, every full day/night you survive you gain a new ability! You may choose which one you want. If you gain all abilities, your restrictions are removed. raynpelikoneet Brainfart. I mean both of ticklish and VE can't be scum. One of them maybe, but i dunno how VE did 479 dmg to ticklish as he claimed. raynpelikoneet I don't think ticklish is mafia unless VE is. VE claimed to be responsible of ticklish's 749 damage. If ticklish is town he will most likely die on next night anyways since he has a protective role. On the other hand, if you put the shield on me, does any abilities used on us both target both of us? I mean, you are talking about this: Inspire - At night, you can grant a shield to any other player. This shield lasts only for the phase in which it is used. Right? What if i use this: Shadow Dash - Ninja'd! Each night, you may taunt target player, redirecting all damaging abilities he tried to perform onto yourself. They only do half damage. Does your power mean we are immune to damage unless roleblocked? If that's so, we are basically a roleblocker that can block mafia hits. You protect us both, i draw mafia KP (if picked the right person) to ourselves, but as you protect us we take no dmg. Risen Onegu needs to be hammered for not having reads, but he just did the same thing last game I think. I feel like ticklish knows too much... Risen I think he's scum for not pressuring me harder and trying to blend his soft push. So we're in agreement on that front. I don't know if he's my top scum read, though. raynpelikoneet Yeah. I think JonnyLaw is scum for what i said in thread. It makes no sense to me that he has changed his read on me and kush. What do you think of it? Risen Damn the thread is dead lol Risen I don't find it too absurd. I do find it unbelievable that he would shoot a doctor as town, though. I'm not really worried about him getting me lynched, more worried about the fact that he has chunked almost all of my life. raynpelikoneet That's actually a good idea. Jailing me or shielding both of us. It makes sense. I find it absurd JAT calls you more useless than Rean & Coag. lol. Risen Mason lasts for 2 days, btw. So we could get a third person in here if you felt it was more useful than the shield. Risen I wanted to talk to you. I didn't think anyone would shoot either of us. I plan on going Shield > Mason > Shield > Mason > Shield > Mason etc the rest of the game. I shield both of us when I shield, btw. If you find yourself in need of protection I can jail you as well while maintaining the mason. raynpelikoneet Uhm, btw, why do you use mason instead of shield? Risen So now I'm fucked. I'm town and made a post just now that looks like a scum slip. This is why I'm shadowing Prom when I get the chance to. I really was hoping we could be a cool two man duo :< Risen What's up with JAT, though? Him finding you scummy I can understand... shooting me because he finds you scummy I can not. raynpelikoneet Yeah i also think at least LSB is scum. jcarl's actions make sense besides the last night. He apparently thought he would die on N2, rofl. That sounds dumb to me. Risen I actually haven't read the thread... I had to take an impromptu trip to Arizona to pick up a business partner and it has turned into a five day stay. That sounds incredibly scummy, but isn't that too obvious? As for your second point I can get behind that. At least when I'm being useless I don't shit up the thread. You have a good point about him in Aperture in spite of that usually being a "town tell". I am still working off LSB/jcarl scum reads. They might be outdated, but I've tunneled fairly hard onto them and I didn't see anything yesterday to sway me that much off them. raynpelikoneet Did you read the thread? He said he received nuke and nuked marv/Fuba. Then he said he tried to nuke Meapak but his nuke works in a way that he selects 2 people, and the one of those two who posts first gets nuked. rofl that's so bad. Othr than that he is so useless. He is useless as town aswell but here he is so so useless. remember Aperture in where he didn't even know what phase it was and he was scum? Who do you think is scum? Risen I've got your six Gold leader! I figure we can use this as our own little "scum v2 but this time hopefully we're both town but I don't actually care I just wanted to be on a team this game" QT. Why are we lynching Coag? raynpelikoneet Let's lynch Coagulation shall we? raynpelikoneet hey Risen! Risen RAYN! | ||
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Giving the lantern to me WOULD make sense if Koshi was scum (no harm done - jcarl looks townie), but as VE is town why would mafia allow VE to have a check? It's not like jcarl did know VE says "I WILL NOT CLICK THIS THING!". | ||
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On December 12 2013 07:17 jaybrundage wrote: Are you referring to another game? Or are you talking about this one? I think he is referring to Sicilian where he masoned me and Vivax, then we scumhunted together, Koshi shot all the scum before we lynched them and won as SK. <3 It was funny. ^^ | ||
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On December 12 2013 07:21 Koshi wrote: Last game he also had his Mason partner as towniest town in the game. While his mason partner was scum and just like in this game rayn called a lot of people scum. I guess I could go all the way back to Sicilian but I was SK there so maybe harder to spot. But anyway. rayn totes town. Risen meh. Can kill. Should kill. I can't help it. Same as here. In LXIII thrawn posted 100x more content in mason QT than anyone in thread. Am i supposed to think he is scum for that, he even made sense.. But i havn't really cared about scumhunting in this game after N!, it's kinda impossible because noone is really doing that.. Or when you try it gets shut down. So i might aswell talk shit with Risen. | ||
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On December 12 2013 07:27 jcarlsoniv wrote: You've voiced no opinion on the few things I brought up about Risen that I took from the QT. Do you have an opinion? You've also made a very poor attempt at showing that you don't care about scumhunting since N1... Risen basically doesn't give a fuck as town and is far more perceptive as scum. w00t? | ||
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On December 12 2013 18:24 supersoft wrote: Meapak_ziphh is scum! 1. Coags bomb The bomb makes very little sense to me. But one thing is kind of obvious. Why would Coag say he throws the bomb at MZ but actually throw the bomb at fuba, when MZ is town? This bombusage heavily incriminates MZ. The only reason, coag wouldn't throw the bomb at MZ is, that MZ is scum. 2. Meapaks abilities This second abilitie seems to be fake. Everyone has their ultimates. Yes, rean pointed out, Ahri and Mundo have their ultimates as first abilitie. But unless anyone else claims, that he has no ultimate, this is a huge scumslip of MZ. _____________________ ##vote Meapak_ziphh I don't think this is a good reasoning at all. 1) Why would Coag straight out incriminate MZ like that if MZ was scum? 2) "His ability seems fake" does not convince me. Why not let him prove it? | ||
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On December 11 2013 03:43 supersoft wrote: Sounds like a plan men! Let's do this. Should I wait with the teleport or should I teleport right now? I think between JL and rean is the best spot. But pretty useless if we manage to take him out. Regardless I doubt that we have enough KP I have 100, anni has 225 and cho has 200? that's lousy 525 KP :-/ If the plan was to kill JL with KP why would supersoft not want to throw a KP card on JL instead of doing something shitty like teleporting? Why did noone bring this up before? My other vote is going to LSB, i think we need to lynch supersoft as the other target. | ||
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On December 12 2013 19:11 supersoft wrote: then why didnt he nuke MZ if MZ is town? Why not take the easy towncred instead of scumclaiming by shooting fuba -_- I think you are not reading very closely because what you are saying does not make any sense. | ||
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On December 12 2013 19:55 Koshi wrote: supersoft filter is clean enough for me, there is a shitton of talk in which he cosntantly talks about what is happening in the thread at that point. If that's your reasoning for townreading someone i would like you to elaborate on your town read on Onegu, because he NEVER talks about ANYTHING that's currently going on in thread. | ||
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On December 06 2013 13:27 Onegu wrote: Point one wasnt that big of a deal, yes most people didnt scum hunt. But up until your vote on kush all of your reads are very wishy washy with no firm stances. 2. Ok you are hard pressed for time, but the fact is you made a case on LSB where you said you could write much more. But until the rime you unvoted you didnt mention LSB except when it related to roffles interaction with him and only in passing. Never pushed a LSB lynch to the thread. And then you jump off of him because his wagon wasnt going to go through. 3. Please quote what I omitted, I quoted everything relevant to LSB and BUM from the point you put your vote on jay to the lynch. I didmt leave anything out and you saying I did is completely false. 4. One you made a case that points to lazy not scum. And its the fact again that you never followed up. You completely drop it, when you later mention your scum reads kush isnt one of them. 5. The talon thing obviously wasnt a big deal. It was the fact that you thought godfathers are found out anyway as your basis for not banning him. And how do you get me saying whenever scum gets a godfather town auto lose. In no way did I say that, you said they are always found and thats why we shouldnt ban talon. Im saying sometimes they are found sometimes they arent, so not banning him bassed on that is wierd. 6. ok this point I misread a bit. I drop this part. I thought you didnt want to do it at all when before you did wamt to do it. My bad. This and only this point conceded. 7. My point is you never have stong feelings on anyone at that point, and you vote someone you dont have strong feelings for. I dont understand how you think its all wifom and I am trying to frame you. Or how you say I omitted things, I didnt and welcome you to quote what you think I did. I don't even look at the case because the answer and the answer to it is far more alignment indicative from both parties: 2 & 4: Lazy, not scum, as Onegu himself says in (4). Actually points (2) and (4)directly contradict each other. 3: misrepresentation 5: not a big deal, Onegu says this does not make Odin scum 6: retracts from this one 7: see (2) and (4). Did Onegu ever try to push a lynch on Odin? Does Onegu seem like he has "strong feelings" on anyone? So my question is, how is the case good again? | ||
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On December 12 2013 20:06 justanothertownie wrote: He can't prove it that easily. If he was town scum could fuck with it by shooting the person he shoots or by shielding them/roleblocking him whatever. If he is scum he could lie about all those things or he actually has this ability but didn't gave us the whole description because the 50 KP at 3 persons isn't all of it. No, he won't be able to prove it and I won't wait to see that this is the case. Lynch him now. I am not saying MZ is town becauce of Coag. I am sayind supersoft's points against MZ are: 1) WIFOM 2) WIFOM The case is bullshit. That's what i am saying. | ||
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##Vote: Onegu ##Vote: LSB I don't think MZ is scum but i won't defend him either. Go ahead and lynch him if you want to but i think it's a mislynch since every scummy motherfukcer has been saying MZ is scum for ages without a real case. | ||
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On December 12 2013 20:19 Koshi wrote: It is quite clear that you didn't read the case. Onegu calls out Odin on point 2 & 4 for making a case on Kush that proves Kush is lazy but not necessairly scum. But that is not my point. My point is that scum Onegu is more likely to buss teammates with a good but not too good case. Scum Onegu is unlikely to make a pretty awesome case on Odin who turns out to be town. Could you just read the case entirely please? Tell me that comes from scum Onegu. wtf are you talking about Koshi? If i remember correctly scum!Onegu made a case on a fucking near confirmed townie in ##'s game. So yes, i think he is capable of making cases against townies. Again, the case is not awesome. I don't care about the case because it's irrelevant, the answer to the case is relevant. If i make a case on someone that looks reallllly good and when they answer it all that's left is "you are right, i was wrong" and contradictions, was the case good? | ||
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On December 12 2013 20:34 justanothertownie wrote: Why would they swap Koshi? Because geript was the one that made austing get lynched with his ninja vote. Either scum played "yolo let's see if town fucks up" or votes do not matter. | ||
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On December 12 2013 20:42 justanothertownie wrote: According to MZ at least 4 scum voted for the same person day 2. According to MZ this person is also scum. It was absolutely possible that this scum would have been lynched. Still there were two other wagons on townies. Makes sense, right? Yeah in Aperture all scum bussed Slam and town nearly still didn't lynch him. so wifom. | ||
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On December 12 2013 20:46 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: They parked their votes 3 and 4 hours before the end of the day lol. And in the case of coag, it's pretty clear he was around for that whole time judging by his post right after the flip. So why did Coag not save MZ? Did he just magically expect geript to do so? | ||
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On December 12 2013 20:52 justanothertownie wrote: Because it would have been exceptionally scummy to do so. Especially for coag because everybody would have seen that he indeed gave a fuck about the lynch. So your argument is "better just get his scumbuddy lynched". Considering you are talking about voting analysis where you are basing your read on MZ right now his conversation is stupid. Mafia does not want their own lynched if they can avoid it. There was certainly ways they could have avoided it before last second. They did not do that. So your argument is not valid and you can't use voting analysis to say MZ is scum. | ||
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On December 12 2013 21:09 Koshi wrote: rayn, I can't help but feel that you have been defending MZ this entire game. Why exactly? Because i do not think he is scum. And the points brought against him are bad, because there are no real points brought against him. And no Koshi, your case was not good. | ||
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On December 12 2013 22:17 Koshi wrote: Double lynch. You can vote twice and top 2 dies. How do you miss things like this... Hey you are talking about a guy who forgot he was medic.. Two games in a row. | ||
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On December 12 2013 22:24 Oatsmaster wrote: thought that was someones ult woops. Rayn why would scum want to kill VE if he has the lantern? Because the lantern makes him unroleblockable, which means he would have a check on D3 if he uses it. Do you think mafia decided "let's make VE unroleblockable and leave him alive so that he can have his cop checks"? | ||
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On December 12 2013 23:48 Mig wrote: The post that MZ calls a scumslip by roffles is interesting. Roffles says he didnt want to play in a game where people are trying to win by using technicalities. The person trying to get him modkilled was Rean (town). Would roffles be so bitter about a townie accusing him if he were town? Rayn who do you think is the mafia rber? I really would like to hear from Onegu right now. I don't know, was anyone roleblocked on N2? | ||
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On December 13 2013 00:42 justanothertownie wrote: It has been confirmed by confirmed town chezinu. Chezinu saw the ability Mig used. N2 Mig's ability use is not confirmed. Why can't he be RB'r? Why can't it be his second ability? | ||
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On December 13 2013 00:49 Koshi wrote: Risen, after N1. Did you get damage? Or did you shield yourself? Risen can't be scum RB because he masoned me on N2. | ||
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On December 13 2013 00:52 justanothertownie wrote: Well if Mig is RBr Risen has to be scum. Didn't Risen claim 100 dmg on N1? | ||
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On December 13 2013 00:53 justanothertownie wrote: He claimed being roleblocked afaik. What about the dmg? supersoft and his cards. | ||
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On December 13 2013 01:04 Mig wrote: If you look every single flipped person has had their ulti as one of their 2 abilities. And everyone who has claimed in thread has their ulti as one of their abilities. I have feast as my 2nd ability, super has said his second ability as his ulti, etc. But Meapak is claiming he has Decoy + nimbus strike as his 2 abilities. And nimbus strike is so insanely weak it would be the weakest ability in the game. When every single flip shows that people have their ulti and MZ is claiming an insanely weak hidden power it seems incredibly fake. Rayn how do you explain MZ apparently not having an ulti when every single other person that we know of does? So what's your ulti and have you used it? What's Shen's ulti? | ||
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On December 13 2013 01:09 Mig wrote: My ulti is feast, I have not used it it is a one shot 350 dmg. As I claimed earlier in the thread. Why did you not hit JL for 350 KP? | ||
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On December 13 2013 01:12 Mig wrote: super places a trap on me it caused me 100 dmg and anyone who visited me 100 dmg, Chez verified this since he also took 100 dmg after visiting me. Why would in your opinion super trap you on N1? | ||
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On December 13 2013 01:53 supersoft wrote: mig was the perfect target for my trap. i know he is very good as town, so he's narurally a delicate scumtarget. he hadnt done anything on the other hand, so protection wasunileky, too. and finally, if he were scum, it would not have hurted either. whether or not the trap was a good idea or not is argueable. it didnt really pay off that well... so you carded him because if he was killed one scum would take 100 dmg. Sounds weak. | ||
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On December 13 2013 02:03 supersoft wrote: i hoped they might kill him and claim the damage, since they dont know that i dont know that i damaged them. i know, you dont get that. its too complicated for your brain :-D I don't think you have been quite reasonable towards me in the last couple of games. I never personally insult you. You do that to me. You do insult me because i post too much, you do insult me for my logic when i point out your weak logic you agree with me on. I don't find it enjoyable to play with you tbh. I usually don't mind useless shit insults towards me for no reason and i can be reasonable towards people who are able to talk to me reasonably when we are having a conversation. Like JAT for example. I can see he's having issues with me but i am not continuously telling him basically to go fuck himself (yes i might have done that a couple of times and sorry JAT, that's not cool from me). You on the other hand just shit on me whatever i say, however i try to interact with me. Whenever i try to pressure you in any way you tell me what i have done wrong in the past and you tell me to quit mafia or whatever shit. Do i find it depressing? No. Are you an idiot? I'm sorry but i am inclined to think yes because you can't answer accusations in any other way than shitting over people. I find it very unpleasant to play with you and i would hope you would stop that kinda behavior. | ||
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i am trying to find out your reasoning behind your actions but all you do is call me bad (and not even by my posts, but in general). I like to talk to people when they are here. And i still think your case on MZ was bad because it did not tell why he is mafia. Your other case was WIFOM. That's why i think you are scum. | ||
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On December 13 2013 21:45 kushm4sta wrote: GRATZ RAYN. out of the billion suspicions you have one was right. Well you think everyone is town so you have about or so 20 right. Don't tell me how to play when you are this bad. | ||
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On December 06 2013 00:02 jcarlsoniv wrote: If you clicked on the lantern, then you should have been protected from anything targeting you. If you didn't click the lantern, then you didn't get protected. I checked, you can still use your ability if you clicked the lantern. ----------------------------------------------------------- I didn't see it asked, and Mig didn't provide an answer that I see - Mig, why did you target Jonny with your scream? jcarlsoniv is mafia. Sorry for miissing it on D2. The bolded part can't possibly be true because Chezinu was perfectly able to visit me on N1. He basically posted my role PM in thread. | ||
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On December 14 2013 01:54 Mig wrote: Anyway I know it doesnt matter now but jcarl your choice to given Risen the lantern is just so unbelievably bad. UGH! I can barely put it into words how bad it was. Like if Risen is mafia they just dont click the lantern and then shoot you and you couldn't really think Risen was the most townie person to give it to you could you??? Now we cant shoot Risen tonight even though we almost certainly caught him in a lie. What a freaking nightmare. What I think happened is n1 Risen used mantra so that n2 when he bonded with someone it would prevent them from going to another person. A sort of semi roleblock. This is the only thing that makes sense because why would mafia rb Risen n1 instead of other targets and really there just arent any possible rbers left. Mig this can't be true because Risen targeted me N2 and i took damage from supersoft's card. It is still a mystery why i took 100 dmg when i was supposed to take 50. | ||
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On December 14 2013 02:00 Mig wrote: I considered this but are we sure your taunt makes you visit other people? Your taunt brought super to you not the other way around. I am really confused. I think every action counts as a visit. What's the point of a tracker/watcher if it does not work that way? And i still wanna know where the additional 50 dmg came from. Either ss is lying or some scum VT hit me. Leaning on Mocsta once again. | ||
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On December 14 2013 02:14 Koshi wrote: hmm. If super would have rb MZ then you get scum mvp rayn. if you are town. ps: stop ignoring me. I am totes sorry I wanted to lynch you for a couple hours. You wanted to lynch me for multiple days. This is why i don't bother talking to you. In this game you have had 2 reads before D4, "Onegu totes town and Odin totes scum, Onegu case so good". And you fucking dare to call me scum MVP. | ||
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On December 14 2013 02:46 Mig wrote: It makes sense thinking about it why you took 100 dmg. You redirected supersoft to hit you with his roleblock which negated your taunting power. It kinda makes sense but then it doesn't. Like both of our powers block each others power but they both still go through.. | ||
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On December 14 2013 03:52 Mig wrote: Because I am suspicious that you might be a sk. You apparently have a role that can do 225 dmg at night or day but you aren't annie. You shot Risen and the damage wasnt shared with Rayn. Risens ability says they only share what happens through abilities. It may not share kp and if you just have a 225 kp shot that is a good reason that shooting Risen only hurt him and not also Rayn. It appears supers card damage was shared between them (unless there is an extra 100 kp floating around unaccounted for). You also are the only person in the game who hasn't claimed and doesn't seem to want to. Bit fishy if you ask me! Look, again. I do not think i was linked with Risen when the shot went through. The mason started on D3, not on N2, i would assume the link starts at the same time. | ||
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On December 14 2013 06:01 Risen wrote: Ugh, then should I link jayb? Just tell everyone to do it, they'll listen to you. I really don't want to shield mig when I have the chance to act as a semi-vigi here. Yeah that's far better than liking Koshi. But i think the best thig you can do is shield Mig, honestly. | ||
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On December 14 2013 06:31 jcarlsoniv wrote: Well, from what I've seen, you really just want everyone to kill me. It would be horribly convenient for the scum team if the town doctor fell to town KP. Do you understand what you are just saying applies to Risen aswell if he is town. | ||
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On December 14 2013 21:35 justanothertownie wrote: Huh, didn't Risen mason you again? Yes but i have more HP than him. I don't mind if you shoot me in the process. | ||
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On December 14 2013 21:38 justanothertownie wrote: What a fucking stupid thing to do to mason you again btw. seriously wtf. He really should have shielded Mig. Yeah that's a final nail in the coffin. Even if he is town he is actively playing against town's victory. | ||
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On December 14 2013 21:45 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, so if Risen has 300 HP we can kill him pretty handily if rayn is up to tank some dmg. Super does 100 at dayphase and I finish him off directly after the lynch. Since my dmg is resolving instantly he won't be able to shield himself. Let's lynch someone else then. No dmg is not halved but if he shields himself or me he protects from 300 dmg next night so it has to be done today if we want to shoot him dead. | ||
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On December 14 2013 04:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Risen if you are town you will shield Mig. On December 14 2013 06:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah that's far better than liking Koshi. But i think the best thig you can do is shield Mig, honestly. On December 14 2013 10:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: rofl. ofc that's why the mason did not go through. shield mig. risen, shield mig. ##Vote: Risen There is absolutely no reason you should have done anything else if you are town. | ||
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On December 15 2013 00:57 Risen wrote: Or I could have decided to protect myself by linking to a scum read... Well then you should convince other people i am scum because i won't believe you. | ||
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And your action was not townie, even if i was mafia. The only townie action would have been shielding Mig or JAT, and that's it. | ||
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It's impossible you would not doc someone if you were town. I just can't believe it. | ||
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That's so... incredibly far fetched idea i do not believe you even would believe in it if you were town. | ||
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Man, that's so dumb. | ||
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jayB i think is scum. Maybe Mocsta, mayse some lurker. Hard to say when all the people who post are the same people over and over again. | ||
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On December 12 2013 22:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hey you are talking about a guy who forgot he was medic.. Two games in a row. | ||
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On December 17 2013 18:53 justanothertownie wrote: Did you taunt someone btw? No i couldn't get online at all on yesterday. :/ I'll read tonight and give my opinions. | ||
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On December 17 2013 22:40 justanothertownie wrote: I think they did. Rayn took some dmg here and there and 900 is still a good amount of HP. Shen has a lot and a lot of HP. You can maybe have a clue how much if you read my posts. | ||
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tbh i really don't think you're scum because it makes no sense. | ||
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On December 17 2013 23:45 Koshi wrote: Xcept MZ lynch. So you are really saying MZ got lynched because of your invention? It's not like people were suspicious of him and his counter-wagon austin was lynched the day before? Like i can turn this around, if you had not invented double lynch we had only lynced MZ and no LSB. See? | ||
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Second one was way better than your police radio. Because Police radio would have been truly useless. (very likely) Tell me what did we learn? | ||
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On December 17 2013 23:59 Koshi wrote: Tell me what we would have learned with Police radio? You got 4 scum flips and a gazilion town flips. It's not the point. I asked you what did we learn. You said the ambulance radio was far more useful than police radio would have been. What did we learn? How was the item useful? | ||
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On December 18 2013 00:08 Koshi wrote: This is so stupid to discuss rayn. You fucking tell me "Koshi invent Police Radio or we lynch you". I try my fucking best to please you and unless you can prove to me that Ambulance radio is less useful than Police radio you should not blame me for that invention. If you would have said. Make a DT item and then I make the Ambulance radio I would admit that I was wrong. But you asked me to make Police radio and I made something better. Probably still bad but this had potential. Like knowing somebody got a lot of damage and than healers got heal that guy, or protect that guy. Like Ticklish could have easily been protected by Risen/soniv and maybe Ticklish could have healed himself up. But that didn't happen. So if you think this is what we learned why have you never brought that up before? JAT yes, he has been pretty useless this game. | ||
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On December 18 2013 00:17 Koshi wrote: Why the fuck didn't you? You were masoned with one of the guys. I didn't know what Risen/soniv could do. Or didn't care. Pretty sure we all had ticklish as town. I even said somewhere that Risen was town but JAT claimed the damage done to him so I was all mehhh about Risen. What the hell? Why should i bring that up? I didn't think it means anything other than someone shot ticklish or sandroba used his power and ticklish got outed, or that it was irrelevant. Why should it be ME who brings it up if YOU thought it was important? | ||
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On December 18 2013 00:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: And for the record on D3 i voted for exactly as many scum as you did Koshi. | ||
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On December 18 2013 00:21 Koshi wrote: Like wtf is this Shen hero btw. You protect me from 2 spells. Ok nice I guess. Oneshot? And then you taunt people but you can't taunt scum KP. And then you don't even send in an action last night. grtz. So what's this about? You can very well see what my power does. How am i supposed to decide what my powers do? Your powers have been as useless as mine and you can actually decide what they do.-.. | ||
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On December 18 2013 00:23 Koshi wrote: I didn't think it was important. I say that if I was a healer and somebody had invented the Ambulance radio I would have healed Ticklish in case I had a townread on him. = useful use of Ambulance radio. ^ you asked if Ambulance radio had a useful use. So what? It's not like anyone knew what you are going to invent and now you tell people should have known it, they should have known someone would hit ticklish and therefore they should have protected him. rofl. And yes, you said you think that was important. IT'S IN THE QUOTES. YOU LITERALY SAID SO. | ||
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Why are/were you not accusing Risen & jcarl if you think they should have healed ticklish? | ||
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On December 18 2013 00:29 Koshi wrote: ... Really. ... 1) I totally agree that the result of my inventions have been less than optimal. But Double lynch was a success. 2) I have not been "totally useless" this game. I have been here many days for +10 hours and I have pushed MZ like a motherfucker. MZ had a super townie start (your words) and then MZ thought he could call me worthless and not caring (MZ words) and it fucking backfired right in his face, he wasn't seen as townie at all anymore and we lynched him. 3) Everything you accuse me off applies to yourself just as much and sometimes more. kk? 1) Explain to me why double lynch was a success as by your words MZ was so fucking scummy, we could have just lynched MZ and no LSB? 2) Yes you have. On D2 when it really mattered, when there was a counter-wagon noone could make a decent case on MZ. You yourself asked me if you could sheep me for gods sake. You didn't even think MZ was scum, i can find the post again and quote it if you wanted to. The thread sentiment obviously changed when austin flipped. And no, i did not think MZ had a townie start. In fact i made a case on him based on his bullshit read on VE but people said it was nothing. I listened to them and see what happened. That was the only real thing against MZ that was pointed out before D3. You thought he was town and voted for him. supersoft made a case that said "MZ is town" and voted for him. Everyone else just voted for him. 3) No it does not. At least i have had opinions. I wasn't a pussy on D2 and told who i thought was mafia and yes, i did defend the wrong person, but shit happens. At least i did not sit in a corner being scared and not having a real opinion. That's what you have been doing all game, you have had no real opinions unless thread sentiment clearly suggests something. If you are town i hope you would play as you usually do, because you should be way better than this. | ||
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##Vote: Mocsta Unless there is some stupid unnaccounted 25 dmg on someone from N2 (ambulance radio) this is the best thing. | ||
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I have been hit with 25 dmg ONLY AFTER i taunted Mocsta. Not before. I have claimed my role before. Noone has tried to "bullshit me" with 25 dmg to fake something. Only after i taunted Mocsta. | ||
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On December 18 2013 05:44 jaybrundage wrote: Rayn what Flavor Player name did you get? I have claimed it at the beginning of the game and do you think i am scum? | ||
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On December 18 2013 08:30 Koshi wrote: Mig had 1200 HP and never claimed he lost HP. (can this be checked) I got 200 damage last night rayn got 900 damage last night. = 1100 damage. Is the last 100 damage coming from 2 caster creeps.  UM DUM DUM*Explain this? What does this mean? | ||
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1k hp =/= 1150 hp and noone does not write their hp properly because of "it's hard to write 1150". Everything else i could buy but not that. If he is town it's unfortunate but the esiest solution is he is not town. | ||
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On December 19 2013 03:14 justanothertownie wrote: Why do you have to be like that this game. Seriously this is the worst reasoning for this lynch I heard until now. So you would buy that Mocsta told us he is a marksman and claimed a player who isn't a marksman but you don't buy that he wrote 1k instead of 1150? I don't understand you. I have never played LoL and i have no idea what the talk about marksman is so i can't really comment on it. | ||
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Mocsta claims to have 1000 hp. Then he claims to have been hit with 150 hp (and later on says "scum do not hit people with some dumb numbers - they consolidate on kill targets") so he could fit into 850 hp if it comes out (caster). When that's actually important how much hp he has he suddenly changes his story to "no shit i had 1150 hp, it was just too hard to type so i wrote 1k". Yes, i find that incredibly fishy. | ||
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Well maybe Mocsta should not originally have lied about his HP so he could make his position better in this business. | ||
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On December 19 2013 03:56 justanothertownie wrote: As far as I know he claimed a different kind of VT. According to Sandro scum shot Rayn for 25 to give Mocsta cover. That would be dumb and unnecessary given Risen's & my rant in thread about shielding.. There was no reason to assume Risen will not shield us. | ||
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On December 19 2013 04:02 Koshi wrote: Well, got to admit it would be pretty wp if scum framed mocsta like that. rayn, you didn't tell thread you were going to taunt Mocsta right? or did you? No i only told Risen. | ||
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On December 19 2013 04:09 jcarlsoniv wrote: I agree with this. So we have few different scenarios (probably already covered, but I need to write it out to keep my thoughts straight):
Idk if I'm missing anything. The third scenario makes the most logical sense, I think. Scenario 2 is a lot of WIFOM and seems very convoluted. I don't think 4 is the case, and 1 doesn't make much sense. Scenario 3 wouldn't matter if both Mocsta and Jay hadn't claimed to be non-damaging VTs. Now, we don't actually know how scum KP works in this game. It seems that they can split it up however they want (see - 1 damage night 1, 849 damage to ticklish night 2). So I guess scenario 1 is plausible, but I don't see the reason other than scum wanting to frame someone? (4) can't be true because Risen proves it. | ||
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On December 19 2013 04:13 justanothertownie wrote: For Scenario 3 to be true Mocsta AND jay had to be liars/scum. I think this one is pretty unlikely. My problem is why would scum assume, only from N3, that i taunt vanillas? It's obvious the 25 KP came from taunting Mocsta or scum. WHY N3? Why not before if they wanna "possibly frame someone"? The night there SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN a possibility to frame anyone because Risen's shield.. | ||
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There are still so many lurkers and you being alive is suspicious in itself that you should make those DT-item so we can actually confirm something other than by guessing who did what damage to who and why... | ||
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On December 19 2013 04:29 justanothertownie wrote: Rayn, you did never taunt Onegu or did you? No i did not. N1: VE N2: ss N3: Mocsta N4: jay N5: forgot | ||
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On December 19 2013 04:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: No i did not. N1: VE N2: ss N3: Mocsta N4: jay N5: forgot Whoops, no. N1: I used the ulti on Koshi. N2 i was supposed to taunt VE but changed it onto ss. | ||
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On December 19 2013 08:20 Koshi wrote: Which is pretty dumb cuz I don't think you are both scum picking 1/1 unless scum also didn't realize that trips go under dubs. Koshi don't start that. There was a PYP game where 3 scum picked the same first number. | ||
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Make it like this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436388¤tpage=172#3425 | ||
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On December 19 2013 23:11 Koshi wrote: why are you fishing? wtf? I am not fishing anything. I am obviously not talking about this night. I am talking about N4 and N5, why did jcarl not give you the lantern? | ||
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