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jaybrundage
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On December 11 2013 08:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: JL will probably be modkilled either way.. Doubt it. It would be nice if all the scummy lurkers would be modkilled but obvious that's something we can't rely on. Besides Rean who would be the next person you would target. | ||
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jaybrundage
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On December 11 2013 09:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: tbh I'm a bit puzzled as you guys all seem to be sure MZ is mafia why are you not killing him? MZ is not on my scum list atm. I thought he was more likely town out of Austin and him. However after he is out of danger he got more lurky then i like. | ||
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jaybrundage
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On December 11 2013 09:58 Mocsta wrote: This game seriously... *I* have been pushing for a JL lynch since Day fucking One, and everyone disses it -- even when a flipped townie came to the same conclusion as me. Like fuck this. My case on JL hasn't changed because hes done *NOTHING* since. The case simply can not evolve; and now suddenly you guys want to shoot him. don't get me wrong, *PLEASE SHOOT/LYNCH HIM* but this is fucking frustrating. In my opinion: The real question should be: With towns limited KP, who do we want to lynch next cycle. Because there is zero value to shooting someone to 50% and then lynching them.... Thus, to shoot JL we need a solid alternative to consider lynching next cycle. e.g. Kush or LSB So either Shoot JL and lynch 1 of {Kush, LSB} or Shoot 1 of {Kush, LSB} and lynch JL I prefer lynching JL, because I am very confident he is scum. So I advocate shooting someone like LSB --> because he is of higher value to scum as a hero than a VT Kush Hey Mate yea I am trying too look over Jonny cause I haven't paid him much attention this game. I was reading over Prome's case on him and it looks good. Prome highlighted some bad posts from Jonny and it seems after that jonny dropped of the earth. I thought Jonny had a good early game but he fell of the mini map after that (lol) Prome got replaced in and he died in what like a day. He stated Coag was scummy and was 4 on his 1 to 5 lynch scale (5 being must lynch) A big part of why he died is because scum was scared of him cause his reads were solid. Coag being a scum read and flipping scum is indicative of that. For another lynch if we gonna leave jonny to die by KP how about gtrsrs. He has been posting League Info for the early parts of the game. And recently he has dropped off the earth. Here was a bit of Prome's case on Gtrsrs PROME'S On December 05 2013 01:26 gtrsrs wrote: i'm going to the gym. when i get back i'm going to take a shower and make breakfast. if my girlfriend is still asleep and nothing comes up by that point, i'll make my case for a lynch. if she's up, my case will have to wait until probably 3pm pst today. either way i'll do my best to have a cohesive lynch case by the end of today (dec 4th) i feel strongly about my read. if my case is strong enough to convince you to lynch my suspect, and i turn out wrong, i'd like to be lynched the next day please. i just simply don't feel strongly enough about anyone other than my target to make any conclusive assessments yet, yet i feel like you guys are putting a lot of pressure on lurkers to perform more (and rightly so). i will probably have my confidence shaken and be even more worthless if i'm wrong on this one thanks I'm so sorry Johhnylaw! I said you had the worst single post in the game. I lied. gtsrs has the worst post of the game (which I have read so far, there might be a hidden gem) Breakdown of why this post is awful and makes gtsrs red on my spreadsheet (if I had one he would be anyway) 1. pre excuses lurking 2. says he will make a case on a particular individual but does not name the individual, leaving room to make a case on the town wagon leader and claiming credit for an early read. 3. pre excuses that read flipping town 4. martyrs early all in all the above post is an attempt to do dick all. Take credit for leading a lynch. Be useless. Garner pity. would lynch rated a solid 4.5 /PROME'S Gtrsrs has since then posted a Big Case on Soniv and then after that done nothing. Time constraints I get but he has to step it up or we have practically nothing to read him from which is scum motivated. | ||
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jaybrundage
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Rean was town i was right on my early read on him (yay me) Although lately his activity has made me question my read. @Rayn you tunneled Rean hard keep that in mind next time you are bashing the thread for not following your reads. People will use there own judgement and consdier you can be wrong. I was wrong about VE but I never tried to ruin the thread atmosphere because people were not helping me lynch VE. Quite surprised for VE flipping town. I had him pegged scum for sure. SORRY VE  So moving on for who we wanna lynch today. I could go for Kush, Gtrsrs, Onegu comes to mind just cause of how hes been lurking so hard. | ||
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jaybrundage
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On December 11 2013 12:46 Mocsta wrote: Wait a sec.. you got the lantern? Why the fuck would jcarl give you the lantern of all people? I thought he said it was going to SS? Why would he give me lantern umm lemme think about it. Oh yea he did it + Show Spoiler + CAUSE IM AWESOME!!!!!! | ||
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jaybrundage
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On December 11 2013 12:49 sandroba wrote: @jay can you do us a favor and role claim please? If you did it already I somehow missed it. I tried picking lux and im VT and I have previously claimed | ||
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jaybrundage
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jaybrundage
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I'll go thru dissecting your case. I'll be using red ink CAUSE FUCK THE META. BAD LSB CASE On December 11 2013 12:56 LSB wrote: Yeah I'm gonna finger jaybrundage as my mafia candidate. The major reason why I think jaybrundage is scum is due to his day two play. And his odd push on Austinmcc and drawing the heat off of MZ The strangest part of jaybrundage's play is what he did during the day two lynch. Instead of focusing on major lynch targets who were being suspected of scum, he tried to focus town discussion on Austinmcc and Roffles, two lurkers You say I didn't focus on the major lynch candidates there was 3 major lynch candidates and I tried to focus on two of them. So your point is illogical here. What you meant so say was I didn't focus discussion on MZ. Which is correct out of the three candidates I believed he had the biggest chance out of them to flip town. Also not sure if you can classify austin as a lurker he was posting more then lurker status compared to others in this town. On December 07 2013 10:12 jaybrundage wrote: KK lets talk on consolidating on Roffles or austin. If your town you should get off the MZ wagon. Letting there be three wagons lets scum manipulate it much easier. We should narrow this down between 2 people. I'm still on the fence regarding the two. But MZ should NOT be a lynch candidate today. This is pretty suspicious, no only because a vote between two lurkers is not a very informative discussion (it just boils down to a this person is lurking harder than the other), but really jaybrundage shows he really doesn't care about who gets lynched day 2. If I didn't care why would I try so hard to take the lynch off of MZ. You need to make up your mind. Do I not care about the lynch or am I trying to protect my (in your eyes) scum buddy. Consider the tone between these two posts On December 05 2013 14:43 jaybrundage wrote: Im a bit annoyed because you don't seem to be trying. Your case on austin seems nonexistent. Hes a lurker you asked him a question and you called him scum. My only thinking that you could have any validity to your case on austin is if you have a blue roll that gives you a check. But even then it would have been in the day time and that seems unlikely. Please try..... Plz? On December 07 2013 10:17 jaybrundage wrote: Fuck it lets kill Austin. He should give us way more information. Because he made more reads (even if there town reads) as opposed to roffles who has said jack shit. We should just take care of Roffles via KP. He is lurking hardcore and he is playing anti town as shit. His death gives us nothing to go off of. I wouldn't be surprised if austin and Roffles are both on scum team. And they send roffles out to be a distraction to both get heat off austin and if we lynch austin its unlikely we will lynch roffles because the stereotype is that hes just a anti town trolling townie instead of a scum making plays. ##Unvote ##VOTE AUSTINMCC Although Jaybrundage doesn't outright say it. He really doesn't care about the current lynch, in fact his major reasons for the lynch are 1) Austin gave out a lot of town reads (pretty hypocritical considering how many townreads Jaybrundage threw out himself). 2) Austin will give out a lot of 'valuable information' 1. I GAVE OUT MANY TOWNREADS???? Now your just making shit up. I gave Rean a town read early day 1 cause of his Doublelift impressions and how geniune and carefree they were and I was right btw. The only other town reads I gave out was late day 1 cause VE was pressuring me to give out my reads and he gave me Mocsta and MZ's filter to read. And I stated I thought both appeared townie. 3 reads out of 30 And two of them forced. Please don't bullshit in cases. 2.Between Austin and Roffles my thinking was that we could see more connects between players with Austin who had alot more content in the thread then roffles who hadn't said and still hasn't said jack shit. Information lynches are horrible because they are a misnomer, they don't give out any information at all. If Ausitn is town, no information is gleaned. If Austin is scum no information is gleaned. It is all to likely that the town is misguided or the mafia is bussed. In addition Jaybrundage misrepresented Austin's filter, austin got in trouble not because of all his town reads, but rather how he went around doing his scum reads. Woah Woah Woah Reading thru Austin's filter I saw a shit load of town read's which is very easy for scum to replicate as they know who's town and can call it out with out having to give any good reasons. This was MY analysis of Austins filter. I can have my own reasons for voting Austin. Are you really trying stating that everyone should just parrot and sheep the original cases. WTF? To call Austin's filter a mess of town reads is not just an over-exaggeration it is a complete misrepresentation. Again MY analysis This is very indicative of forcing analysis and suggests he has an alternative agenda Indeed Jaybrundage has a lot of difficulty in saying why austin is scum, most of his points rely on the so called information that can be gained from lynching austin (and what information is that now that austin has flipped?). What he is more interested in is defending Meepak_Ziphh See we can agree on this. I thought MZ had the greatest chance to flip town so I defended my heart out. Could I be wrong? Yes. But if I think someone is a townie I fight with conviction to keep them off the block. (This can go bad occasionally tho in a past game I hard defended scum and when he got found out I got mislynched as town, hopefully not the case this game) Even in his case against austin he can't but help go on a long tangent about why Meepak is town Your misrepresenting me I posted reasons for austin being scum. And then I posted reasons why I think MZ is town. It wasn't just a case on austin. The intention was to give reasons why I thought Austin was scum, and give reasons I thought MZ was town. On December 07 2013 10:54 jaybrundage wrote: Yea just finished reading MZ's filter I think that hes probably town he sounds sincere in alot of his posts. And austin is scum. Part of the reason why I think austin is scum is the first part of the game He SOLELY (hyberbole) gives town reads. He gives town read after town read after town read. This is very easy for scum to do. They know who's town so they can go off little things in posts to try to establish rap with other townies. (if he thinks im town he must be town reading me line of thinking) He then harps on MZ for bothering Koshi. Yes MZ is constantly bugging Koshi. I think the reason for MZ's tunneling Koshi is a couple reasons. A. MZ thinks Koshi might be scum. B. Koshi is inventor so he can make sweet stuff that ideally would be given to townies. C. Koshi being inventor IS NOT ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE D. Koshi is not contributing much to scum hunting E Koshi being scum in MZ's eyes and is being ignored as a lynch candidate because of his Power Is driving MZcrazy and makes it keep coming back to Koshi to put pressure on him. That is my idea why MZ kept bothering Koshi even tho hes not a lynch candidate atm. I think this is the real reason why Jaybrundage wanted to lynch austin. He wants to draw the heat away from Meepak_Ziphh. However he tries to do it indirectly Again Bullshit I hard defended MZ there was nothing indirect about it. I defended MZ and wanted to lynch Austin. by forcing a lynch on Austin and in doing so demonstrates that he is forcing a lynch, as well as demonstrating that he doesn't care about the lynch in the first place. Again This makes no sense I can't not care about the lynch but also want to save MZ. Your case is all over the place and has contradicting statements. Do I not care about the lynch. Or Do I care about the lynch and am redirecting the lynch to save (in your eyes) my scum buddy MZ) /BAD LSB CASE | ||
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jaybrundage
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jaybrundage
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On December 11 2013 14:58 Mig wrote: Why did jcarl give jay a lantern. That makes literally 0 sense, and if you had the lantern why didnt you mention this so super wouldn't waste his check on you. Why wouldn't jcarl have warned the thread when this was being discussed and seriously why the fuck would jcarl give a lantern to jay instead of protecting someone who actually has a power. I wasn't around when you guys were talking about checking me. By the time I came back to the thread it was too late. | ||
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jaybrundage
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On December 11 2013 16:51 Mocsta wrote: Koshi. Who'd u give the invention to? And what does it do We shouldn't be asking Koshi to reveal who he gave the item too. Just makes it easier for scum to stop it or disrupt it. Even telling us what the item does is unnecessary. While we are all curious the information will be revealed when it needs to be revealed. Giving scum free info and know who to roleblock ect ect. Isn't helping town at all. | ||
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jaybrundage
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For a second lynch I would like to suggest maybe Onegu, Gtrsrs, Roffles, Kush maybe as well. | ||
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jaybrundage
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Reading up on the QT with Risen. I actually think we should leave him for now and let scum kill him off as he is low and he does have a shield that we can use to save town. Going forward we should direct Risen where to use his shield and we can waste scum KP on it by shielding high priority targets so that they have to ignore the target all together waste a roleblock on Risen. Or simply shooting Risen for us. I find it odd that Risen was so against shielding SS or anyone else for that matter But him and Rayn and that he forgot to do it :/ If Risen doesn't die then we can just kill him off with KP later on if he remains suspicious after we have killed more scummy people. So for lynch lets go between Gtrsrs, Roffles Onegue, and maybe Kush, | ||
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jaybrundage
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jaybrundage
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On December 12 2013 02:23 kushm4sta wrote: jaybrundage likes jungling hmm? | ||
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jaybrundage
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On December 12 2013 02:35 jcarlsoniv wrote: I don't get this. If we think Risen is scum, then we need to lynch him. We don't have the luxury of just waiting him out to see if scum kills him. Your plan is to direct one of our few town powers left so that it's easy for scum to shoot him? Actually, your plan is to literally "let scum kill him off" Now, I haven't decided if I think Risen is scum yet, but quickly skimming the QT, I don't see anything that immediately makes me want to say "yeah we should leave him up so scum can kill him". But I still have trouble with "oops I totally forgot to use the role that me and rayn spent a not insignificant amount of time planning out". What do you see, Jay, that makes you want to leave him up? Also, you likely won't get a fleshed out case today from me (real time today). I have some stuff I need to get done at work by end of day, so I can't spend a whole ton of time posting. I see him as a scummy lurker. But hey we have alot of those. I'm not so sure of his alignment either way, He gave an uncaring feeling form the QT making him appear as a unengaged townie. However his actions are pretty questionable that after being so psycked to shield and help rayn he just "forgets" to do it I think there is reasons he can both be town and scum so pretty much null maybe even third party. Given that information I think we can save him for his role for now, utilizing his shield for the town to benefit from. I think there are better lynches that I have said multiple times. Gtrsrs, Onegu, Roffles, and Kush. | ||
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On December 12 2013 02:37 Mig wrote: jay what do you think about LSB? You seem to feel his case is terrible why arent you suggesting him as a lynch candidate. I haven't actually looked at LSB much at all. So that's why I don't have much of an opinion on him. What are you thoughts on LSB :o | ||
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