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On December 04 2013 12:03 Mocsta wrote:
Considering I have caught you before for doing stealth votes.
That was slip in my scum mentality not following through with what I would do as town though. I don't think that automatically crosses over to everyon else.
And we all know that you would unvote and vote the accuser I dont see what the problem is.
Yah, but I'm me. It's like saying, "well VE plays scum this way so everyone must play scum this way." It's an inductive fallacy (might be wrong on that, haven't brushed up on logic and argumentation).
Why cant we ask Roffles to take accountability?
I'm find w/ demanding accountability and firing shots at him until he dies and/or lynching the fuck out of him. But the vote accountability is like the least of my concerns.
Even if he was town realising consolidation is not required; how do we know hes not going to do this again next cycle.
Premature cockblock from you, I thinks.
Well if you'd like, I'm sure Marv or I could unblock your cock for you 
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On December 04 2013 12:15 Mocsta wrote:
sigh...
Geript... This is why we need accountability. Theres not really much I can say about Roffles good or bad because its in that stupid fucking in between.
Whered Jay go?
Honestly I'm way more concerned with Coagulation than Roffles.
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On December 04 2013 12:21 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 12:19 geript wrote:On December 04 2013 12:15 Mocsta wrote:
sigh...
Geript... This is why we need accountability. Theres not really much I can say about Roffles good or bad because its in that stupid fucking in between.
Whered Jay go? Honestly I'm way more concerned with Coagulation than Roffles. Is Coag in this game?
On December 02 2013 08:08 Coagulation wrote:
tldr
On December 03 2013 09:58 Coagulation wrote:
sup
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On December 04 2013 12:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Cause shitting on a lynch you did barely anything to stop is scummy.
And this is different from your play because....
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On December 04 2013 12:47 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 12:46 geript wrote:On December 04 2013 12:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Cause shitting on a lynch you did barely anything to stop is scummy. And this is different from your play because.... I didnt shit on the lynch? I dont get your point.
No but you didn't do anything to move the lynch to your preferred target either. You're happy roasting Jay but didn't want to vote for him. You're happy voting LSB but not trying to convince anyone else to vote for him. You're happy being in the background.
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On December 04 2013 12:55 jaybrundage wrote:
Its either make light of my badness or be frustrated about me doing badly. you should read more
You got a reprieve today. I want you to be upfront and not lurk until you "have content." Because if you're town that'll get you killed. If you aren't, then your posts will.
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On December 04 2013 12:59 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 12:55 geript wrote:On December 04 2013 12:47 Oatsmaster wrote:On December 04 2013 12:46 geript wrote:On December 04 2013 12:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Cause shitting on a lynch you did barely anything to stop is scummy. And this is different from your play because.... I didnt shit on the lynch? I dont get your point. No but you didn't do anything to move the lynch to your preferred target either. You're happy roasting Jay but didn't want to vote for him. You're happy voting LSB but not trying to convince anyone else to vote for him. You're happy being in the background. Yeah Im not sure if you read the thread or not.
Then show me where you made a concerted effort to get LSB or Jay lynched over Bum.
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On December 04 2013 13:17 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 13:05 geript wrote:On December 04 2013 12:59 Oatsmaster wrote:On December 04 2013 12:55 geript wrote:On December 04 2013 12:47 Oatsmaster wrote:On December 04 2013 12:46 geript wrote:On December 04 2013 12:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Cause shitting on a lynch you did barely anything to stop is scummy. And this is different from your play because.... I didnt shit on the lynch? I dont get your point. No but you didn't do anything to move the lynch to your preferred target either. You're happy roasting Jay but didn't want to vote for him. You're happy voting LSB but not trying to convince anyone else to vote for him. You're happy being in the background. Yeah Im not sure if you read the thread or not. Then show me where you made a concerted effort to get LSB or Jay lynched over Bum. yeah ok you read that part. I guess you didnt read the other part. What did you do to get Oats lynched over Bum?
I tried people didn't buy it. So I looked around for other people that I thought could be scum. Hence the reason why Jay as a counter wagon was brought up at all. You're just in the background +1ing shit. You denying that?
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On December 04 2013 13:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 13:53 Mocsta wrote:
Rayn
Is the plan with Koshi: we don't care?
Cos he has to be pro-town regardless of alignment? Yeah. I am quite sure he is town too. I just hope he won't derp with inventions. Doctors do not protect me, protect people like marv/sandroda instead.
I really hate this plan btw. I don't get how you read Koshi.
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On December 04 2013 14:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Of course youdon't because you are scum.
Look. Do you really want to rumble?
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On December 04 2013 14:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You still have never providedany actual evidence why what you have said about Oats makes him scum.
Because what I said wasn't something I can look at in an objective way and prove to you. I don't think you're obvious town like a number of people think. But equally it's not and it wasn't going to be productive for me to get into a shitfest with you over it. Yah I think he's scum and I'm going to ride his ass until I either die, prove it to everyone, he dies or I'm convinced he's town.
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On December 04 2013 14:13 Oatsmaster wrote:
His read on Rayn is also really weird.
Geript, I was ok with lynching bum.
Yah, that's part of my problem. The way that wagon ended up (no real counter wagon, no major push in other directions, a majority of the vote at many points, everyone seems fine with killing but no one really making a push to save him, etc) it didn't give me great feelings that we were going to lynch scum. Yah I recognized that scum could just be inactive/willing to bus/bussing/etc, but that's significantly lower odds imo. As town, I'm never "OK" lynching town. I always want to look and see if there's something missing something else moving. The inactivity in the thread, other than about bum, didn't feel good. People being "ok" with his lynch and not wanting to go elsewhere really bugs me. So did VE's "I'm not gonna vote Bum because I like LSB way more" thing with sandro.
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I like both of those Mocsta.
I'm going to be looking into those plus Oats, Jay (more) and Kenpachi tomorrow after clinicals.
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On December 04 2013 14:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
please, someone give me a few filters to read. Who was the primary force behind the bum lynch? Why are we talking about lynching geript after the bum lynch?
I'm rereading the thread but I'm asking these questions as well because I want to hear different views on what happened.
1. I'm surprised you didn't know this.
2. Only Rayn/Oats/jcarl/Kenpachi and idk who else are considering it afaik
3. I'd rather hear your views on what/how it went down.
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1. He is not actually doing anything useful here.
2.His case on Oats is a couple of comments followed by "Oats did this in his scumgame X".
3.He didn't even want to lynch Oats "because noone will believe me so i am up for a lurker lynch".
4.His scumread on me is "rayn changed his read on me, he does not do that when he is town".
5. He is calling out my most pro-town plan there is.
Yeah that's my case on geript, everything he does is either really weak - and not in a townie way, or straight out bull.
Here's a line that Oats loves to use this game, "but which of those makes me scum?"
Honestly can you step back and say that this isn't just confirmation bias. If so then bring it and bring it hard. In the mean time, I'll be lynching scum.
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On December 04 2013 14:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 14:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
Marv and sandro could read it and push it. Yeah but i'd rather talk to them directly when they are around. Even if i was able to convince all the ~5 people who are here now at something what's the point when i can tomorrow convince marv and get him easily to convince ~15 people?
So does it make you anymore scum that you want to lynch me and aren't pushing me?
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On December 04 2013 14:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
Nah, the line I like to use this game, "but which of those makes them scum?".
hey rayn and geript, what do you think about Risen and Roffles?
Risen. No clue. Read him at one point but nothing memorable other than I feel like Risen has been more vocal in games I played where he was town.
Roffles. Slight town read based on behavior. I skimmed him once but thought there were more concerning issues.
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On December 04 2013 15:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 15:03 Mocsta wrote:On December 04 2013 14:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Mocsta i am not saying i will not discuss things with you, because i am more than willing to do so.
I am just saying i am not going to yell here geript is scum and get into an argument with him because i don't want to do it now. Noted. I think that is a fair position (regarding Geript). I agree with his case breakdown though. Some of what you said is annoying as the end-user (e.g. shits on ya plan) .. but I dont see why a townie wouldnt/couldnt do that either. I don't care about someone telling me your plan is bad in case they have something better to offer. Which geript hasn't.
In theory, I don't dislike all of you plan. I just don't have a solid read on Koshi. Not sure I've played a game with him since nuclear. I didn't and don't like your push for graves ban; framer is a mostly worthless scum role IMO. I don't wholly trust you. I don't think your plan has been fully stated or pushed. Honestly I don't think a plan is fully required. I found it odd that you're not throwing your weight behind LSB more to push for claims (Vt or which role) as that was very influential in the last PYP but you seem to forget that.
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@Prome. LSB has been keeping up with the #'s and claims the best. Filter him. In my filter is a copy of the sign up list.
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On December 04 2013 15:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote + I found it odd that you're not throwing your weight behind LSB more to push for claims (Vt or which role) as that was very influential in the last PYP but you seem to forget that. I am tired of talkingabout claiming strategy. At least now i should be obvious people won't agree to certain strategy regarding claims so i couldn't care less to push something that will never be achieved.
So can you understand me saying "I want to lynch oats, that's not possible so I'd like to lynch Jay ."
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