PYP: League of Legends Mafia - Page 7

On December 05 2013 02:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I never said I was using my ult tonight that is totally fabricated. I said how I would use it but never when.

So why do you want new to confirm for the scum team whether or not I Ann using my check soniv?

On December 04 2013 13:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's night - do your thing. But I issue you the same warning I issue the rest of the lurkers. My second ability is my ult. I'm using it on lurkers this game.

On December 05 2013 03:23 kushm4sta wrote:


you nitpicked a townread for no reason.
your nitpick was blatently false.
i don't get it ve.

On December 05 2013 03:55 gtrsrs wrote:
i have returned and have the time to build my case. after i do so i'll be around for a short while to hear criticisms of it and then i will be gone for some time, and can check back in the late afternoon to see if you guys can punch holes in it or not

On December 05 2013 06:24 marvellosity wrote:
Well isn't that a fine and dandy question? Pass.

rayn said it was very likely that Jonny was town for proactively proposing plans during the draft phase. I'm not really sure why that's true or why I should believe it. The fact it was true in one or two past games of his does not necessarily make it true here. And rayn's townreads like this are simply not always correct. But it's annoying because he feels strongly about it, so I just end up writing a waffly paragraph like this about it just to demonstrate how waffly I feel about it.

What gtrsrs says about jcarl's response to accusations is interesting, and it's also something that can be looked at by looking at some of his past games, which I will do come Day 2 (because i'm too lazy to now). If people want to do this, obviously look at games from both alignments. There might be something to find there.

On December 05 2013 05:28 gtrsrs wrote:
i want to start my case with apology for being rather lurky this game. i've stated before but people are still commenting, so i will reiterate: i'm not as aggressive a person as i was a few years back, so my playstyle is not as aggressive as it was either. additionally, until now, i didn't feel strongly about anyone being scum. lastly, i do not like to use meta-game to build a case, especially on day 1 (unfortunately, you'll see that i will have to use the 'meta' reasoning a bit in this case).

Having a less aggressive playstyle does not mean that you can just not play the game. It does not excuse a complete lack of caring for the game. You've done essentially nothing up until this post.

i know relatively few of you and have played mafia with even fewer. i don't know your traits when you are mafia or town. however, some of you i know well or even very well. as bum_at_large pointed out, he and i have been friends for years. i felt very strongly that bum was doing his normal bum thing - being analytical, making logical posts, and being pro-town - and that he was town. one of the only other people that i can claim to know their personality is jacarlsoniv (henceforth referred to as soniv). i've played league with soniv, posted in the league sub-forum with soniv, and watched soniv's sparse streaming for a couple years now. as i stated earlier,


This is not only an appeal of "hey, I'm really good friends with bum, that guy that just flipped town", but also smoe sort of attempt to make it look like you're a semi-expert on my personality?

i feel like although he's not my bestest buddy, i have a good read on soniv's overall personality. he thinks highly of himself as a strong player and intellectual, and he's a fierce competitor. when he's "winning" he's cocky and carefree, but when he is challenged, i believe that soniv becomes extremely defensive and can get emotional. it's a knee-jerk reaction that i've seen in playing with him (exasperated sighs and outbursts when his lane gets camped in league, banning viewers [read: me ] when they comment on a mistake he makes on his stream, etc). i believe that soniv has taken a needlessly harsh and defensive stance on several comments made in his direction, many of which don't even point a ton of suspicion in his direction

Furthering your "expertise" on me? Look, this paragraph is mostly irrelevant character smearing. You are correct in saying that I am a fierce competitor. However, you are grossly exaggerating what happens "when I'm challenged". Beginning of Day 1 I was challenged by bum. Did I go super turtle mode and lash out at everyone? I don't recall that happening.

i'll start by cementing that i believe soniv is just being soniv and not changing up his personality for this game, as that's what i'm basing my case on:


... but soniv's first post in the game was a quote from his favorite champ:


This was the very first post of the thread, it has no bearing on the way this game has been played. It's pointless for you to quote this.

this was also a response to me saying i hated viktor as a champion:


This was at the beginning of Day 0, and as you accurately point out below, it was in jest.

these second two posts are lighthearted, comfortable soniv posts. he's not under pressure, he's making jokes, he's referencing and defending his favorite champ. it's only after i create a seemingly worthless post about what i feel soniv picked (spurred by the fact that he breadcrumbed that he does no damage) I didn't breadcrumb this, I directly said that I have a non-damaging role that he became defensive about it:


I'm being defensive here? Please tell me what is defensive about this. This is one of several posts where I'm trying to get you to contribute.



the second he's put under the tiniest bit of pressure, no matter how tangential it may be, he retracts into a defensive, ad hominem style.

Again, this is not defensive. If you would have been so kind as to not exclude the majority of that post: + Show Spoiler +

On December 04 2013 02:23 jcarlsoniv wrote:

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On December 04 2013 02:19 gtrsrs wrote:
oh woops, forgot to include my reasoning

soniv is a bona fide hipster, loves to play champs that are not currently popular or considered strong. in addition to the champs i listed, on the champ list, there are several of those: mordekaiser, karma, twisted fate, malzahar, syndra, talon

but each of these either has a damage ability listed (morde, TF, malz, syndra) or has an extremely high likelihood of a damage ability (karma, talon)

i believe karma is his favorite champ though. hard to analyze her based on her abilities though, because Wave said that he's been planning this for months, and karma went through a remake somewhat recently

My propensity for playing less popular champs in game has 0 reflection on what role I chose in this game. This is 100% pointless speculation.

Also, I believe someone has claimed Karma already. I don't remember who (and can't find the list at the moment - I'm sure LSB knows).

Whenever you're ready to stop being a dumbass is good with me.

That last line was said because you were making a conclusion that I had picked Karma, something that someone else had already claimed long before.


so that's my setup. now i want to give 2 postulates that i've learned from playing forum mafia and epic mafia. 1) knowledge is power. mafia inherently has more knowledge than town, so doing actions that lead to town having more knowledge helps to level the playing field. yes, it can lead to revelations for the mafia as well, but remember, mafia has enough information to win the game from the start. mafia thrives in a suffocated, information-free town. 2) town needs to lynch mafia. town does not need to lynch lurkers, anti-town townies, pro-town townies, or blues. town needs to lynch mafia. this one is simple. you don't lynch someone because you don't like them, or because you have a weak lead on them. mafia members can subtly push for lynches on bad town and lurkers because it can feel like a "next best" option.

1) knowledge is power
i agreed with a mass roleclaim plan. soniv did not:

soniv is in the wrong and roffles is in the right. i've tried to illuminate what several hot-topic champs can do so that we can help non-league players. information is power. soniv, however, wants to nip speculative and free discussion at the bud. in fact, when i've given my expertise,

I had disagreed with Roffles in using hidden role speculation as a primary source of strategy because it ends up just being speculation. You have decided to use this speculation as your sole choice of "activity".



there is one role that he does want to find though: kassadin, a potentially scum-screwing role that will likely be able to dart out of trouble as well as screw up enemy actions:


this is because soniv, playing as SKT1'S Poohmandu (even getting one of his favorite hipster support champs, Janna!) wants to actively limit the amount of information that town has in order to both prevent town from getting too many power roles, and eliminate said power roles quickly.

So you are not only speculating that I picked Janna (which is an acceptable speculation because I had claimed a non-damaging role in thread), but also that I am Poohmandu...

2) town needs to lynch mafia, and no one else
take a peek at soniv's filter, page 3. in the span of a few posts, he goes from

to


it's subtle sheeping. town does not put their votes onto someone that they do not believe is mafia. it's a mafia tactic to subtly sheep votes onto people that others fine suspicious. It wasn't sheeping at all. It was the direction the thread was going at the time (early in day 1). I was trying to get more out of VE because he was pushing to kill you and hadn't gotten any other reads out at the time. however, soniv himself did not even put a vote on me, he voted for geript. he's sowing discord:


literally no one thinks that i'm mafia at this point. my worst detractors think i'm unmotivated town. you don't lynch unmotivated town. points to soniv for keeping his vote on geript instead of hopping on the bum bandwagon, it was a nice cover-up. though a bit unnecessary as the wagon was rolling fast enough that he didn't even need to jump on tbh

This paragraph is untrue on a few points. You have been on peoples' lists the entire game. Some people thought you were unmotivated town. I myself took that into consideration and have tried to give you many chances to redeem yourself all game. You are correct that I didn't vote for bum. When I left for the night, he had 11 votes. I made a post that I thought he could be scum, and I did think he was. I'm not afraid to acknowledge that, nor am I afraid to acknowledge that I was wrong. I left my vote on geript because I think he's scum, and placing my vote on bum would have made 0 difference.

this post is the lynchpin for when i realized soniv was poohmandu:


again, it's subtle and it's not a direct statement. but soniv is pushing us toward lynching people based on their roles, not their alignment. town's job is to lynch mafia, not to lynch bad town that took a role that seems to aid mafia more than town. in fact, this post almost feels like a dare: "i dare you to spin [which would help mafia] to confirm your mafia-esque role so i can push a lynch on you, a townie." it's a big double whammy

I would love this explained to me. Where do I dare him to use his ability? I was literally saying "don't use your ability, why do you think that if you use it you will look town?". You're completely fabricating information here.



more sheepy spam that's not backed up by a vote. if roffles is mafia, vote to lynch him. if he's not, don't say you think he is.

This is not sheepy spam. My sentiment of "Roffles being Roffles" is echoed by others afterwards as well.

but of course when i call him out on it, he retracts into defensive mode again:


Again, I don't see where I'm being defensive. At this point, I'm sick of your inactivity and I was not going to enable your decision to not read the thread.

other post that bothered me:


hard to take seriously when at this point soniv himself has said nothing of worth

Have I found scum? Well, I think so, but we have yet to actually find that you. Have I done nothing of worth? Not by the hairs on my chiney-chin-chin. The JAT post I was referring to had no content, and this was said by more than just myself. There have been several instances of me trying to get lurkers to do things. I'm not saying I've been 100% useful, but I've done a hell of a lot more than nothing.

it's cut and dry, challengers. this guy might be diamond V in league of legends but his mafia skill is silver II. sorry soniv, no hard feelings. your personality just shows through too much to me and betrays your actual intentions.

##vote: jcarsoniv



also, make sure you touch up on bum's initial look at soniv. it didn't sway me at start, but once i picked up on a red vibe from soniv i looked back at it and agreed.

seeya nerds

On December 05 2013 09:07 Promethelax wrote:


LSB = town? Nien. I am convinced that what LSB has done so far has been pro town and would not be hard to fake as scum. If he scum hunts well in next day he is town. If not he is scum. He is not someone I am interested in lynching d2. I am interested in lynching him d3 if he continues to provide only those things which are easy to provide as scum.

The attack on soniv shows a thought process that, while not one I totally agree with, seems to be trying to find scum. Its a townie kind of way to look at the world. I didn't feel like he was trying to justify lynching soniv he was trying to find scum.

On December 05 2013 09:24 Promethelax wrote:


I don't know your personality well I've played one game with you that I can remember and it was a hydra game where I wrote you/wave off as town early because you were town. I liked that Guitars Are Us was looking into things based on your personality and what he saw as differing from that. Having played scum I believe that would be a hard case to write as scum because he has to set himself up to 1v1 you and be the expert on you. Also the weird overstepping paranoia around your role/character names is a townie trait, its just so out there and precise in its out-there-ness that it smells like strawberries.

On December 05 2013 09:25 marvellosity wrote:

Everything you've said about geript has been flimsy as fuck. Far flimsier than what you're accusing gtrsrs of.

On December 05 2013 09:28 geript wrote:
Also, now that Warwick is out. I think it's a good time for everyone to claim their player and champion.

I'm Uzi and I'm playing twitch.

On December 05 2013 09:36 marvellosity wrote:
Just to give you a heads up, fabrication is not the same thing as interpretation.

On December 05 2013 09:43 marvellosity wrote:
You were defensive. You did lash out. These are not unfair interpretations of what you have done at all.

On December 05 2013 09:45 geript wrote:

So far from what I've gathered the hidden powers are mostly OPG abilities (mine is Spray and Pray). I don't mind risking triggering a OPG ability because it's not going to be consistent.


First off, Accountability. If abilities are used, we should know about it. Second, it gives us a ton of information about what people's mindset was and is. Third, people who roleplayed their player are more likely to be town IMO so for people who have lesser content it provides another potential way to evaluate them. Fourth, it makes scum guess who's chosen what. Fifth, at least a few people have claimed to have picked a champion based on their player; this gives us a way to check that.

Part of the reason for me coming out is because 1: It's night and 2: the fact that very few people claimed VT and that even fewer VT's claimed what they tried to take made me a bit suspicious because nobody claimed wanting to grab Twitch (mass damage seems like a pro-scum/3P thing).

I want to be very clear. I don't think that people with SKT players are necessarily scum just like I don't think that people with non-SKT names aren't necessarily scum. I'm betting that WoS and Kita mixed that up some both according to flavor and also provided other players to scum to use just in case.

Either way I gotta head to work. I'll try and read at work but no promises.

On December 05 2013 09:53 justanothertownie wrote:

In the recent Hogwarts game Harry Potter was scum. I wouldn't put to much weight on stuff like that.

On December 05 2013 20:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:

That means most likely one of you / Chezinu is lying.
I think Chezinu quite clearly claimed me visiting you.

Or i got roleblocked.

Could the guy who gave me the lantern come out of the closet and tell me what the fuck did it do?
Unless that happens i am calling shenanigans. Then it has to be mafia action.

On December 05 2013 23:49 sandroba wrote:
He also already knew he would be voting Rean before even looking at him. He didn't even bother to check if rean was scum in the game he used for meta. He seemed to be in a rush to justify all his reads when all of them were already fabricated. All his reasoning is bullshit. Yeah, this man is scum.