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On December 07 2013 09:00 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Ok guys, to chime in. I officially quit this game.
I will not vote.
I will be modkilled at the night post.
I really appreciate the effort put into the making this game.
I'm really sorry for having to make this choice.
The effort from players this game is making it entirely unplayable for me.
See ya guys.
please don't odin, you are one of my better townreads.
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lol ss I was asked for that analysis because people kept attacking me for my VE read.
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So what are we gonna do here guys. I would prefer not to die, especially since I've seen the words "information lynch" thrown around with my name and I fucking hate those -_-
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On December 07 2013 09:27 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 09:08 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:lol ss I was asked for that analysis because people kept attacking me for my VE read. I reread only your filter and it looks exactly as I described it. Unnecessary and scummy.
lol what a cop out.
Basically you're too lazy to come up with any reasons or find scum yourself so you're just gonna sheep.
Anyone else?
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On December 07 2013 09:36 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 09:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I fell asleep and just woke up.
austin is too bad to be town, Roffles just doesn't give a fuck. It doesn't make him scum. what do you think about MZs VE analysis and his LSB push?
supersoft that happened D0. Where were you then?
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so geript, you're not gonna explain your vote on me?
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Guys I'm about to go out to eat, I want to resolve this now, I'm starting to get pissed off again.
I have the same amount of votes as austin who like half the thread has called scum and the people voting me can't even be bothered to actually figuring out why they're voting me. I'm absolutely done hearing about the VE shit. That was D0, if you weren't paying attention then that's your own fault. There is literally no case on me, I've sat here and waited for one so I could defend myself but one never appeared. I wasn't around yesterday, sue me, but I still think I deserve to actually understand why people are voting me.
I'll try and be on my phone.
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On December 07 2013 11:07 Koshi wrote:
MZ lynch then. It just.feels right.
See its shit like this that pisses me off the most right now. Like really? This is the best you can do?
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This is directed at everyone who had a problem with my koshi interaction: am I not allowed to pressure people even if I don't think they're getting lynched at that particular time?
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On December 07 2013 11:24 supersoft wrote:re... I was watching the most recent Thebigbangtheory-episode... and after that I reread austin. I know I look extremely terrible if I hammer this lynch in the wrong direction now, but I am going to vote MeapakZ. I reread austin and his MZ reads look fine to me. I just don't see him as overly scummy. I have my issues with MZs play... Screw it. Let's do this.
You literally just pulled a koshi, I encourage you to reconsider. Nobody can actually name real issues with me as I've adressed everything that has beem brought.
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On December 07 2013 11:31 justanothertownie wrote:
I really think austin is more likely to be town and I don't like the way rayn and jay pushed for his lynch/defended MZ.
Wait so now its because people defended me that you're lynching me? lol no consistency.
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On December 07 2013 11:32 supersoft wrote:
GNAAH NO
Reread Austin for yourself - I just don't see the scummieness...
With MZ i have at least some issues....
Yes, this VE was at the very beginning. Still it was strange
LSB looks scummy yes. Still this "stop fucking blue hunt" was artificial
pfffffff
and now his reaction.... could be town, could be scum. I don't know.
Why is everyone just gone.
It's like 9 p.m. in Brazil
Sandro where are you?
How many times do I have to address the VE shit lol
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On December 06 2013 15:47 geript wrote:@Austin. Honestly I'm frustratingly mixed on MZ. Like I think you have a great point that he doesn't push his scumreads half as forcefully as he does his VE townread. Like that's you're best point. But I feel like I have a really good grasp on WoS (<3 you wubbybumpkins--except you know making my player Uzi is totally a bastard host move), so I can understand his faith in that read. But there's a point in the game where on D1 I'm a huge topic of issue but he doesn't follow up on it. It's like the perfect time to push me as scum and push me pretty hard as he likely could completely get away with it. On the reverse side, there's this post Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 16:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
here's what I got out of geript:
never once does he properly analyze oats and is content to simply lean on his "gut read"
he constantly talks about both oats and jay but never really tries to get people to join him and instead simply tells people to vote them because his targets are guaranteed scum.
The biggest thing I get out of geript is a bunch of noise and posts without doing anything substantial. For instance, he has his main targets but he brings up others on the side and never follows up. He's in that twilight zone where you can't blame him for the bum mislynch but he was definitely involved.
Probably the biggest thing in geript's favor is calling out people like austin and coag, both of whom are low content lurkers. If he's scum he could be bussing his teammates but it's a point in his favor that he doesn't let them fall through the cracks. However the reason why this doesn't clear him is because he never follows up with any of this. It's easy enough to call out lurkers as scum but he never actually follows through which makes me think this was an effort to appear protown.
geript is frustratingly inconclusive for me. He's done things I feel are scummy (hence my gutread) but I couldn't put it into a coherent analysis. This is the problem I was running into earlier in the game when I was looking at geript and sadly bum's death hasn't really made it any easier. He could be scum but I'd rather look into bum's other suspects right now. Which I really don't like. He comes to a similar-ish conclusion to Prome (who gave me a stronger townie lean), like I don't like the thought process like this coming out of a vet. As a counter point: prome flipped confirmed town, I don't really understand why you have a problem with my conclusion. Just because I am a vet does not mean I am 100% certain of what is right and what is wrong all the timeShow nested quote +On December 04 2013 20:29 Promethelax wrote:
geript hard defends Rayn d0 and really puts his foot down about it. He takes a hard stance which I rather like. Its odd, everything I'm seeing seems to objectively point to scum but I don't find it convincing. There is something in how geript is thinking that seems silly but not scummy maybe? I can't explain it right. He is ringing all the scum bells but it feels like he is ringing them for the wrong reasons. He has all this ill founded bravado that I think would be hard for him to do as scum. He is very in your face and it seems townie.
I like geript's day one play, he is all around the place. Starts on jay but doesn't stick. Has gotten over his bad tunnel. HIts oats. People who are all over the place, to me, tend to read as town. Like it's very hard to bounce between reads as scum and continue to juggle that. This is a "tell" that I've seen be so true so often and, iirc, many "pros" tend to share. Next this is going to seem really weird to bring up, but I seem to have skimmed some important stuff. [insert Jay's post on VE] Here's 3 near instantaneous reactions Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 02:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Jay where were posts like that one like...all game long? Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 02:17 Koshi wrote:
That post makes jay town in my book. Don't know if it makes VE more scum but delurk is delurky. Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 02:24 marvellosity wrote:
[i]I sat there and thought huh, that's interesting. Let's look in these spoilers. Oh yeah, VE did do that stuff jay said. He's actually gone and researched this. Hmm, this is an interesting perspective which gave some thought. *goes to move jay back from scummy to null in spreadsheet*. I wonder if it genuinely makes VE scummy or if it's just coincidence? Probably just coincidence for now, but it's interesting at any rate. Like when I saw MZ and Marv's interaction and had to go back and reread Jay's post, my reaction was literally just like Koshi's. "wow that makes jay look towny." MZ's reaction to Koshi seems really out of place and wrong. When good players read things completely differently that tends to be a warning flag for me. I've already explained this several times, I'll explain it again. koshi was acting completely worthless and it pissed me off. I don't understand why people have a problem with me going after him and questioning him. Like when did it suddenly become not ok to question people who you weren't planning on lynching at that very moment? Another thing that really bothers me is this: Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 01:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
...you made kurumi get himself modkilled... have you ever seen a scum do that? This seems like a really weird reaction to me. It's always been true that I've seen town get other town modkilled. Perhaps MZ's experience is different, but LIX is a good example of where Toadestern and somebody else ended up getting modkilled because other town brought up the rules and stuff and pushed it. In general, town tends to push other town to get modkilled and not the other way around so it seems really weird to me that this is his reaction. As far as I can recall I have never seen a scum rage quit. This is just different experienceIn summary after looking and thinking more about his filter, I'd be down for a MZ lynch but not for most of the reasons you posted. [/b]
geript I'm really trying to respond here but again I run into the problem that I really have no idea what you're accusing me of other than you think I've done things that look "weird." That's the biggest problem I have, you don't go after me for doing scummy things you go after me for doing "odd" things.
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On December 07 2013 11:39 justanothertownie wrote:
##Vote: Meapak_Zipph
You. Have. No. Fucking. Case!
Like how hard is it to explain why you "like austin better as town." That is some of the weakest shit I've ever heard.
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On December 07 2013 11:44 supersoft wrote:
what's your hidden abilitie MZ?
It's nimbus strike, it deals 50 damage to three targets. I can use it once
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Nobody is gonna explain why they want me dead.
I have to say I am severely disappointed.
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rayn and sandro are gonna be fuckin pissed lol
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Is there really nobody here right now who will at least explain to me why I'm dying?
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geript do you have any response for what I said?
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On December 07 2013 11:55 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 11:49 geript wrote:
MZ the crux of my arguments I feel are based on the fact that you seem to come to wildly different conclusions or reactions than I'd expect town to have. The point of the Koshi thing isn't you jumping on Koshi, it's the fact that, while Jay's analysis wasn't great, it showed towny mentality. You're response was "sure give a free pass to everyone". Like that comes more from scum losing a mislynch to me more than town frustration. Plus, if you thought his conclusion was wrong it makes more sense to point it out and pressure Jay more.
geript. I already said this once. Jay's analysis does not factor into my discussion with koshi. It was about the mindset koshi was coming from.
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