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On December 06 2013 06:24 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 06:03 LSB wrote:I honestly don't get / buy most of the analysis done so far. VE I don't like, but I feel like I'm too biased to make a fair judgement. ATM I would love to lynch Austin over Rean. If Austin is scum I find Rean scummy because in his doing nothing he picks out the 1 guy that puts pressure on him and is also scum. But if Austin is town Rean is still scummy for being wrong and doing nothing obviously.
But if Austin comes over here and proves he is planning on being useful and can build out his cases on Rean/MZ or finds new shit that proves Austin is town. I would have 0 problems with lynching Rean for being useless if we don't have better targets. If Rean flips scum I think Austin is probably town because the whole making a mistake on purpose sounds a bit farfetched. I don't get this. So you think that Rean is scummy no matter how austin flips. But you still want to lynch austin even though you are not certain he is scum? Oh wow, your getting weird vibes from VE too?
I just don't get why he would suddenly decide to not go after me instead of Bum. This post is incredibly suspicious to me
On December 04 2013 08:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yes I think Bum is scum. I thought it was clear that I thought both were scum. I think it's possible that Bum is town, I don't see that as possible where LSB is concerned. That's why my preference was/is LSB. But I can't make that happen tonight.
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On December 06 2013 05:16 LSB wrote:
Okay so what happens to koshi and what did koshi do last night? I don't get it
Koshi says he made an item (Verified), and implied that he gave it something.
Chez says that Koshi did not do anything last night
Ryan Claims he protected Koshi in some way for 4 turns, and Koshi can no longer be roleblocked.
Koshi Took 50 Damage
Something is off here.
Okay, I get it now
Step 1: Koshi was targeted by some kind of KP ability and took 50 damage, Ryan protects Koshi by nullifying the next two abilities targeted too him
Step 2: Chez checks koshi but gets blocked because of Ryan's shield.
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If we assume that the ability Stand United (Once upon the darkness of the sky, a shield, yes a shield!, you may give target player that will absorb 2 abilities or eliminate 4 votes used on said player. These divine protection lasts for 4 Moons.) exists
Will an actioncheck be blocked by Stand United if both are done in the same turn?
Will an item gift be blocked by Stand United if both are done in the same turn?
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On December 06 2013 10:53 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 10:14 geript wrote:
Moc can you give me a summary point list on why Austin is scum. I saw it come up but read it during break in class and don't remember it. Sure: (1) Really weird push of Rean where he even uses incorrect meta to push Rean and when pointed out, he still stands by the read. (2) Opposes the Bum lynch with odd analysis and suggests Rean as a suitable alternative -- Barely pushes this read. (3) Gives wishy washy analysis in general (e.g. see MZ) where he throws in points that are least worth probing for more information; and instead just casts everything as "not the most blatantly scummy stuff" --> carry on (4) There is some thoughts about KP/hero choice but its all conjecture and I wouldnt vote based on that solely. Overall: His play is pretty disjointed and it seems like he wants to come across as independent thinking, even though hes done nothing to convince anyone of his reads, nor push anything to the benefit of town. You can argue that he tried to benefit town with his read town read on bumatlarge; but realistically read the post and its hard to grasp how that was ever going to stop the wagon. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=114#2261
I really don't like the Austin push because I think you guys are reading him wrong. I think we all need to take a step back from that
To me, Austin did not push or encourage any lynch. All he has done was post his opinions on a wide range of important people in day 1. He gave reads of many people (Bum included) and I don't think (2) should apply. Thinking a townie is town can be done by anyone, not just scum. (1) is odd, but it's more indicative of a careless mistake. All the arguments on (4) are ridiculously bad
However that leaves (3) which is the major issue. His strongest 'push' was against MZ yet he does not give a firm stance on the alignment of MZ. Yet this isn't to say that Austin is unwilling to take a stance, he was at least firm about ream no matter how misguided his analysis may have been. When posting about multiple people, it should be expected that at least a few of the people you should not have a certain opinion of.
His major warning warning post for me is
On December 04 2013 11:43 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 11:39 geript wrote:On December 04 2013 11:38 austinmcc wrote:
NOPE TOTALLY DON'T. THIS IS WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU TRY TO CATCH UP ALL AT ONCE AND FILTER AND THIRD-ASS (LESS THAN HALF-ASS) META PEOPLE.
DELETE THAT BIT.
REST IS STILL RELEVANT. Why does this surge in activity remind me of PTP? Do you mean Demon's Run D2 or whatever, where I was entirely absent and came in only to vote with made up reasoning based on which wagon I liked? Probably cuz I was mostly absent today. Don't believe there was a surge in that game though. You can also check plenty of my town games for relatively absent D1s (Bureaucracy, called out for it in a couple others), and at least one relatively absent D1 into swoosh of activity (Liquid City)
Where he essentially forshadows he will lurk a ton in this game. Although it may be an accurate description of what may to come, it conveniently explains away any "oh shit the heat is on me" lurking.
However, my major reservation on lynching Austinmcc is that as stated before, most of the analysis on him is based on the fact that he posts bad, or makes bad decisions. I don't think this is indicative of being scum. Although certainly he isn't getting townie points in my book, it is a much better idea to lynch on something more solid.
Your hourly reminder that we should lynch kushm4sta http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=179#3574
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On December 06 2013 11:07 geript wrote:
I understand that Chez tries to encrypt what he means because he makes reads out of the chaos, but it still makes him impossible to read because he does that as either alignment and your conclusions from what he writes are rarely his intentions. I know he's a skilled player as either alignment but the time it takes to try and discern what he means and then discern his alignment is not worth the time of reading his posts.
Chez just remember what I flip whenever that happens and remember to not sign up in a game I've already joined. I will not sign up for games that you've already joined as well.
I think I understand Chezs play to a certain degree now and this is something we can discuss the merits of after this game is over.
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@Chezinu http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=183#3658. There are many things we can bank on, yet with conflict and strife our only recourse, it is better to make peace and learn.
@Roffles, this is just straight up ridiculous, do you actually intend to play this game?
On December 07 2013 01:34 sandroba wrote:
OK some things need to be clarified:
Mig claims to hit MZ with 125dmg and his ability returned 875hp left.
MZ claims he took no dmg. Do you have 875hp left?
Chez says correctly that Mig is Cho. He says that Mig targeted JL. JL, do you have 875hp left?
Mkfuba hints that Mig didn't hit JL, I read that as Mkfuba hit JL himself.
So probably someone is lying here. Please come forth with this information.
Also austin, I can't get past the post I quoted from the beginning. I would like a claim from you. And from MZ too. A lot of people have come forth with their night actions and claims. A lot of good town roles are already out there. I don't understand why some of you are being so secretive.
I would also like this cleared up. Meepak or JohnnyLaw, do you have 875 hp?
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On December 07 2013 02:30 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 02:24 kushm4sta wrote:
Wow really detailed explanation of power usage thought process mz. He seems definitely town from that post alone I'm going to use all dmg I may or may not have on you tonight. Not because I think you are scum, but because you annoy me greatly saying everyone in the game is town. I don't fucking care who is town I want some fucking scum to lynch. Who do you have left that CAN be scum?
Yo sandroba, Kushm4sta is scum, read his filter and lynch him with me
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On December 07 2013 02:34 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 02:27 sandroba wrote:On December 07 2013 02:23 supersoft wrote:On December 07 2013 02:19 sandroba wrote:
Also fuck this game. And fuck whoever is scum, you are too good or simply not playing the game. I'm considering lynching Mig unless he tells gives me a case on scum. Day 1 he did a pretty good post on bum which I was already going for and was town. I want to see something original from Mig, it's about time. you screw up my plan to let mig himself confirm to be scum :-o I wanted to comfort him and see if he starts doing stuff without pressure... This strategy totally works on you/syllo/palmar/marv/mig :-o I'm getting really annoyed that this thread doesn't get anywhere and there's 100 pages of pure trash. I got used to it while playing time-to-die: + Show Spoiler +On November 19 2013 00:04 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2013 23:54 OOHCHILD wrote:
gratz you guys have successfully made it nearly impossible for anyone but yourselves to read the whole game. well done.
there's literally no way BC is going to have the time to catch up, and it's way harder to read someone who doesn't read.
So please rayne koshi artanis everyone knows you are all town. Stfu and let other people talk please, and if you have something to say, CONSOLIDATE your thoughts. rayn has 17 filterpages. i have 7 and I am talking a lot. On November 19 2013 05:10 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2013 05:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is supersoft doing nothing and not even reading the thread? I am going to report you. You asked me this TWICE now. TWICE! in only a few minutes. I haven't read any filters yet. I have a life and I don't spend 24 hours in this thread posting oneliners. Your filter is unreadable. Your filter has the length of an average newbiegame. I read my filters yesterday evening for about 2 hours of my valuable time. I came up with mocsta as my final lynchtarget and in the night i read through filters and found Oatsmaster, who i am highly suspicious of. I am creating more useful stuff than anyone else here. I am organising the game. Look what I did at the end of d1. Everyone was analysing and we had a PERFECT town atmosphere. Now look what you did to the thread! It's a MESS! Think about that! please! I am going to read through BH and others. But not when you expect me to. On November 20 2013 03:36 supersoft wrote:
every second post is from rayn. On November 20 2013 06:22 supersoft wrote:
This game is almost unreadable. I just skimmed through the last 20 pages and there is no content. It's just a huge monologue of rayn. I have to think about that. Maybe i'll do it in my next scumgame.
WAIT! I already did that in one of my scumgames. Because if you cripple the thread for like 3 days or so, everyone loses interest = easy scumwin. On November 20 2013 06:24 supersoft wrote:
who do you think reads all this? Man I am not a native speaker. Do you know how insane this is for me? On November 20 2013 06:26 supersoft wrote:
15% of the thread is you. You are 15% of the thread. And you provoke these endless dialogues with other people. I think 40% of the game is now you talking to someone else.
This is just madness. It doesn't help at all.
If I were scum, I'd just talk to you for 10 pages from every now and then. It is that easy. On November 20 2013 06:30 supersoft wrote:
we have to kill rayn. He won't shut up otherwise.
He's delivering everyone the excuse to not read the game. And I can't blame anyone for it. I guess that's the new shit around here.
Honestly that's why I like to play games or host games that are centered around Night Actions and KP has serious significance. However with the new mafia game quene it takes forever before I can host a game.
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On December 07 2013 02:35 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 02:21 sandroba wrote:
Yeah apparently chezinu knows mig is cho and that's all. mkfuba targeted JL and Mig targeted MZ's clone, each for 125. I know more than that. Did you see my post? I know what ability he used last night. Feral scream.
Do you know his exact target? From what I can tell you haven't claimed that you do
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On December 07 2013 02:40 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 02:32 LSB wrote:On December 07 2013 02:30 sandroba wrote:On December 07 2013 02:24 kushm4sta wrote:
Wow really detailed explanation of power usage thought process mz. He seems definitely town from that post alone I'm going to use all dmg I may or may not have on you tonight. Not because I think you are scum, but because you annoy me greatly saying everyone in the game is town. I don't fucking care who is town I want some fucking scum to lynch. Who do you have left that CAN be scum? Yo sandroba, Kushm4sta is scum, read his filter and lynch him with me Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 02:35 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On December 07 2013 02:32 LSB wrote:On December 07 2013 02:30 sandroba wrote:On December 07 2013 02:24 kushm4sta wrote:
Wow really detailed explanation of power usage thought process mz. He seems definitely town from that post alone I'm going to use all dmg I may or may not have on you tonight. Not because I think you are scum, but because you annoy me greatly saying everyone in the game is town. I don't fucking care who is town I want some fucking scum to lynch. Who do you have left that CAN be scum? Yo sandroba, Kushm4sta is scum, read his filter and lynch him with me Yo sandroba, LSB is scum, read his filter and lynch him with me? Prove it. I'm all ears. I've read this game a trillion times already and I can't get anywhere.
All he has been doing is calling people town. He isn't trying to actually find scum, he is trying to make friends so people believe he is a friendly townie. No one wants to lynch someone who defended you right? Or so he thinks
My push post is here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=179#3574
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On December 07 2013 02:44 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 00:49 austinmcc wrote:
Anyway, I'm out for today. Back sunday afternoon EST or so, will be catching up but will be around and active then. according to this day, he will come back at the end of n2...
I seriously don't like using activity as a means of suspicion. He can actually be telling the truth and might be sick/busy. And yes, I did actually reverse image search the image he posted and it does look legit.
If you want to lynch lurkers I'd just say lynch Roffles
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Posting this so I will stop being confused
#unicornwaffles
Abbreviated Night 1 Action Post
Roles in the Game - Annie
Role Eliminated - Warwick, Kha’Zix
Night Positional Shift
Either Mocsta moved up one space, or Mig Moved down 1 space
Night 1 Positions- jcarlsoniv - Thresher
- kushm4sta
- Rean - Lux-> VT
- JonnyLaw - 125 Damage
- ticklishmusic - Taric
- gtrsrs - Kha'Zix -> VT
- OdinOfPergo - Karma -> VT
- Roffles
- Onegu - Soft Blue Claim, probably a power role. Claim was done by BC
- VisceraEyes - Lux - 250 damage
- Risen - Karma - Roleblocked
- Chezinu - Twisted Fate
- Coagulation
- geript - Soft Karma Claim
- supersoft
- austinmcc
- raynpelikoneet - Shen
- Mocsta -No claim -> VT
- Mig -Cho'Gath
- Oatsmaster - Cho'Gath ->VT
- jaybrundage - Lux ->VT
- LSB
- Koshi - Viktor - 50 Damage
- mkfuba07- Blue Claim Claims he knows who damaged JL Night 1
- justanothertownie
- sandroba - Fiora - Took 1 Damage
- Meapak_Ziphh -Wukong
Disputed Night actions
jcarlsoniv Claims he gave a lantern to Rayn, Chezinu claims he saw nothing.
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On December 07 2013 02:57 sandroba wrote:
LSB, the draft order is a lot more usefull than the player list. geript claimed twitch and you missed a hidden claim too.
Mocsta said he went for fiddles. You guys better start reading the game.
Draft orders can be easily found by clicking on the Pick Phase, while list positions are not preserved so that's why I chose to display it like this.
Thanks for the update
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On December 07 2013 03:02 Chezinu wrote:
So, LSB why do you think I'm Twisted Fate?
I can read spoilers?
And also the ultimate fits your night action well
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On December 07 2013 03:17 sandroba wrote:@LSB what do you think about that austin's post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=114#2261And what do you think about his comeback too. Also I'd like to note that austin can't be VT based on that post. So he has a role and he didn't bother saying what he is or what he did. When there is a huge wagon on you I wonder why you would leave out that kind of information.
As for what I think of the post as a whole I think that Austin just has periods of activity and is just commenting on everything that he thinks is important when he gets the chance. I give it a lurker read.
As I have stated before I an uncertain about the alignment of Austin, and would rather lynch someone I am far more certain of. Thus I am trying to convince you all to lynch kushm4ster. Unlike others in this game, I push my lynches.
However if he does show up claiming VT, I agree, something is very suspicious. However even if you have a role, even under the pressure of a lynch, not claiming his role only implies that he did nothing of importance to the town last night.
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On December 07 2013 03:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Read the two-hundred some posts since I left. I still wanna kill lurkers, and I don't care if you don't like it. People think hyperactivity is annoying...get over it. At least they are playing the game. People not paying need to be dealt with.
Here's how I see it atm with the deadline approaching
Bandwagon Lynch - Austin
Lurker Lynch - Roffles
Lynch I am pushing because I think he is scum- Kushm4ster
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On December 07 2013 03:57 sandroba wrote:
nah, it's too complicated and is based on a bunch of assumptions a lot of people would have a problem with =P
The main problem with your idea / draft order reads is that it is too coordinated. Unless you can finger candidates for the mafia mastermind who is organizing the mafia, I have no reason to believe the mafia didn't just pick roles they wanted and made sure they didn't clash.
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Why are we lynching MZ? Can someone link me a push post?
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