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That's so unbelieveably coincidental i think Occam's Razor here is correct and Mocsta is scum, then they went to dmg contol.
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On December 19 2013 04:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 04:13 justanothertownie wrote:On December 19 2013 04:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 19 2013 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: Oh you were talking about the next night. Yeah i don't know about that but the night i first got shot for 25 kp there was no reason to assume Risen will not shield us. I agree with this. So we have few different scenarios (probably already covered, but I need to write it out to keep my thoughts straight): - Scum threw 25 KP your way for two consecutive nights.
- Mocsta did damage to you one night, and in order to cover it up, scum dealt 25 random damage to you the next night.
- Both Mocsta and JayB dealt damage to you through taunts.
- You're lying about the damage.
Idk if I'm missing anything. The third scenario makes the most logical sense, I think. Scenario 2 is a lot of WIFOM and seems very convoluted. I don't think 4 is the case, and 1 doesn't make much sense. Scenario 3 wouldn't matter if both Mocsta and Jay hadn't claimed to be non-damaging VTs. Now, we don't actually know how scum KP works in this game. It seems that they can split it up however they want (see - 1 damage night 1, 849 damage to ticklish night 2). So I guess scenario 1 is plausible, but I don't see the reason other than scum wanting to frame someone? For Scenario 3 to be true Mocsta AND jay had to be liars/scum. I think this one is pretty unlikely. My problem is why would scum assume, only from N3, that i taunt vanillas? It's obvious the 25 KP came from taunting Mocsta or scum. WHY N3? Why not before if they wanna "possibly frame someone"? The night there SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN a possibility to frame anyone because Risen's shield..
True. The only explanation that makes sense to me besides Mocsta as caster minion is that the 25 dmg are a byproduct of some kind of scum ability. But this could still come from Mocsta.
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On December 19 2013 04:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 04:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 19 2013 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: Oh you were talking about the next night. Yeah i don't know about that but the night i first got shot for 25 kp there was no reason to assume Risen will not shield us. I agree with this. So we have few different scenarios (probably already covered, but I need to write it out to keep my thoughts straight): - Scum threw 25 KP your way for two consecutive nights.
- Mocsta did damage to you one night, and in order to cover it up, scum dealt 25 random damage to you the next night.
- Both Mocsta and JayB dealt damage to you through taunts.
- You're lying about the damage.
Idk if I'm missing anything. The third scenario makes the most logical sense, I think. Scenario 2 is a lot of WIFOM and seems very convoluted. I don't think 4 is the case, and 1 doesn't make much sense. Scenario 3 wouldn't matter if both Mocsta and Jay hadn't claimed to be non-damaging VTs. Now, we don't actually know how scum KP works in this game. It seems that they can split it up however they want (see - 1 damage night 1, 849 damage to ticklish night 2). So I guess scenario 1 is plausible, but I don't see the reason other than scum wanting to frame someone? (4) can't be true because Risen proves it.
Ah, right, thank you.
On December 19 2013 04:13 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 04:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 19 2013 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: Oh you were talking about the next night. Yeah i don't know about that but the night i first got shot for 25 kp there was no reason to assume Risen will not shield us. I agree with this. So we have few different scenarios (probably already covered, but I need to write it out to keep my thoughts straight): - Scum threw 25 KP your way for two consecutive nights.
- Mocsta did damage to you one night, and in order to cover it up, scum dealt 25 random damage to you the next night.
- Both Mocsta and JayB dealt damage to you through taunts.
- You're lying about the damage.
Idk if I'm missing anything. The third scenario makes the most logical sense, I think. Scenario 2 is a lot of WIFOM and seems very convoluted. I don't think 4 is the case, and 1 doesn't make much sense. Scenario 3 wouldn't matter if both Mocsta and Jay hadn't claimed to be non-damaging VTs. Now, we don't actually know how scum KP works in this game. It seems that they can split it up however they want (see - 1 damage night 1, 849 damage to ticklish night 2). So I guess scenario 1 is plausible, but I don't see the reason other than scum wanting to frame someone? For Scenario 3 to be true Mocsta AND jay had to be liars/scum. I think this one is pretty unlikely.
Do you think it's more likely that scum is poking rayn with 25 damage starting the night rayn taunted Mocsta? Even though Risen's shield was completely available and should have been used to protect both of them? If I remember, Risen even said in thread that he would be shielding rayn (unless I'm confusing that with the QT).
Why wouldn't scum want to claim non-damaging VTs? Yes, they could easily claim damage VTs, but then there is the possibility of them being under heavy scrutiny if their damage comes into question?
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On December 19 2013 04:22 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 04:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 19 2013 04:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 19 2013 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: Oh you were talking about the next night. Yeah i don't know about that but the night i first got shot for 25 kp there was no reason to assume Risen will not shield us. I agree with this. So we have few different scenarios (probably already covered, but I need to write it out to keep my thoughts straight): - Scum threw 25 KP your way for two consecutive nights.
- Mocsta did damage to you one night, and in order to cover it up, scum dealt 25 random damage to you the next night.
- Both Mocsta and JayB dealt damage to you through taunts.
- You're lying about the damage.
Idk if I'm missing anything. The third scenario makes the most logical sense, I think. Scenario 2 is a lot of WIFOM and seems very convoluted. I don't think 4 is the case, and 1 doesn't make much sense. Scenario 3 wouldn't matter if both Mocsta and Jay hadn't claimed to be non-damaging VTs. Now, we don't actually know how scum KP works in this game. It seems that they can split it up however they want (see - 1 damage night 1, 849 damage to ticklish night 2). So I guess scenario 1 is plausible, but I don't see the reason other than scum wanting to frame someone? (4) can't be true because Risen proves it. Ah, right, thank you. Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 04:13 justanothertownie wrote:On December 19 2013 04:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 19 2013 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: Oh you were talking about the next night. Yeah i don't know about that but the night i first got shot for 25 kp there was no reason to assume Risen will not shield us. I agree with this. So we have few different scenarios (probably already covered, but I need to write it out to keep my thoughts straight): - Scum threw 25 KP your way for two consecutive nights.
- Mocsta did damage to you one night, and in order to cover it up, scum dealt 25 random damage to you the next night.
- Both Mocsta and JayB dealt damage to you through taunts.
- You're lying about the damage.
Idk if I'm missing anything. The third scenario makes the most logical sense, I think. Scenario 2 is a lot of WIFOM and seems very convoluted. I don't think 4 is the case, and 1 doesn't make much sense. Scenario 3 wouldn't matter if both Mocsta and Jay hadn't claimed to be non-damaging VTs. Now, we don't actually know how scum KP works in this game. It seems that they can split it up however they want (see - 1 damage night 1, 849 damage to ticklish night 2). So I guess scenario 1 is plausible, but I don't see the reason other than scum wanting to frame someone? For Scenario 3 to be true Mocsta AND jay had to be liars/scum. I think this one is pretty unlikely. Do you think it's more likely that scum is poking rayn with 25 damage starting the night rayn taunted Mocsta? Even though Risen's shield was completely available and should have been used to protect both of them? If I remember, Risen even said in thread that he would be shielding rayn (unless I'm confusing that with the QT).
Why wouldn't scum want to claim non-damaging VTs? Yes, they could easily claim damage VTs, but then there is the possibility of them being under heavy scrutiny if their damage comes into question?
I still think this is dumb but anyways: No, I don't think it makes any sense for scum to willingly poke rayn that night.
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Goddamn Koshi DT-item would be incredibly useful now.. ugh..
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Koshi please just make DT-items from now on.
There are still so many lurkers and you being alive is suspicious in itself that you should make those DT-item so we can actually confirm something other than by guessing who did what damage to who and why...
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Rayn, you did never taunt Onegu or did you?
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On December 19 2013 04:24 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 04:22 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 19 2013 04:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 19 2013 04:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 19 2013 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: Oh you were talking about the next night. Yeah i don't know about that but the night i first got shot for 25 kp there was no reason to assume Risen will not shield us. I agree with this. So we have few different scenarios (probably already covered, but I need to write it out to keep my thoughts straight): - Scum threw 25 KP your way for two consecutive nights.
- Mocsta did damage to you one night, and in order to cover it up, scum dealt 25 random damage to you the next night.
- Both Mocsta and JayB dealt damage to you through taunts.
- You're lying about the damage.
Idk if I'm missing anything. The third scenario makes the most logical sense, I think. Scenario 2 is a lot of WIFOM and seems very convoluted. I don't think 4 is the case, and 1 doesn't make much sense. Scenario 3 wouldn't matter if both Mocsta and Jay hadn't claimed to be non-damaging VTs. Now, we don't actually know how scum KP works in this game. It seems that they can split it up however they want (see - 1 damage night 1, 849 damage to ticklish night 2). So I guess scenario 1 is plausible, but I don't see the reason other than scum wanting to frame someone? (4) can't be true because Risen proves it. Ah, right, thank you. On December 19 2013 04:13 justanothertownie wrote:On December 19 2013 04:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 19 2013 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: Oh you were talking about the next night. Yeah i don't know about that but the night i first got shot for 25 kp there was no reason to assume Risen will not shield us. I agree with this. So we have few different scenarios (probably already covered, but I need to write it out to keep my thoughts straight): - Scum threw 25 KP your way for two consecutive nights.
- Mocsta did damage to you one night, and in order to cover it up, scum dealt 25 random damage to you the next night.
- Both Mocsta and JayB dealt damage to you through taunts.
- You're lying about the damage.
Idk if I'm missing anything. The third scenario makes the most logical sense, I think. Scenario 2 is a lot of WIFOM and seems very convoluted. I don't think 4 is the case, and 1 doesn't make much sense. Scenario 3 wouldn't matter if both Mocsta and Jay hadn't claimed to be non-damaging VTs. Now, we don't actually know how scum KP works in this game. It seems that they can split it up however they want (see - 1 damage night 1, 849 damage to ticklish night 2). So I guess scenario 1 is plausible, but I don't see the reason other than scum wanting to frame someone? For Scenario 3 to be true Mocsta AND jay had to be liars/scum. I think this one is pretty unlikely. Do you think it's more likely that scum is poking rayn with 25 damage starting the night rayn taunted Mocsta? Even though Risen's shield was completely available and should have been used to protect both of them? If I remember, Risen even said in thread that he would be shielding rayn (unless I'm confusing that with the QT).
Why wouldn't scum want to claim non-damaging VTs? Yes, they could easily claim damage VTs, but then there is the possibility of them being under heavy scrutiny if their damage comes into question? I still think this is dumb but anyways: No, I don't think it makes any sense for scum to willingly poke rayn that night.
Oh, no, I also agree it's completely stupid. But look at the flips - we haven't seen anything that does damage lower than 50. Even Teemo shrooms deal 100 per phase for 3 phases. So unless scum is intentionally poking rayn for 25 damage a night (assuming they can split their damage like that), the only logical explanation is that 25 damage is the 50 damage from a taunted caster minion divided by 2.
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On December 19 2013 04:30 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 04:24 justanothertownie wrote:On December 19 2013 04:22 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 19 2013 04:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 19 2013 04:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 19 2013 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: Oh you were talking about the next night. Yeah i don't know about that but the night i first got shot for 25 kp there was no reason to assume Risen will not shield us. I agree with this. So we have few different scenarios (probably already covered, but I need to write it out to keep my thoughts straight): - Scum threw 25 KP your way for two consecutive nights.
- Mocsta did damage to you one night, and in order to cover it up, scum dealt 25 random damage to you the next night.
- Both Mocsta and JayB dealt damage to you through taunts.
- You're lying about the damage.
Idk if I'm missing anything. The third scenario makes the most logical sense, I think. Scenario 2 is a lot of WIFOM and seems very convoluted. I don't think 4 is the case, and 1 doesn't make much sense. Scenario 3 wouldn't matter if both Mocsta and Jay hadn't claimed to be non-damaging VTs. Now, we don't actually know how scum KP works in this game. It seems that they can split it up however they want (see - 1 damage night 1, 849 damage to ticklish night 2). So I guess scenario 1 is plausible, but I don't see the reason other than scum wanting to frame someone? (4) can't be true because Risen proves it. Ah, right, thank you. On December 19 2013 04:13 justanothertownie wrote:On December 19 2013 04:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 19 2013 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: Oh you were talking about the next night. Yeah i don't know about that but the night i first got shot for 25 kp there was no reason to assume Risen will not shield us. I agree with this. So we have few different scenarios (probably already covered, but I need to write it out to keep my thoughts straight): - Scum threw 25 KP your way for two consecutive nights.
- Mocsta did damage to you one night, and in order to cover it up, scum dealt 25 random damage to you the next night.
- Both Mocsta and JayB dealt damage to you through taunts.
- You're lying about the damage.
Idk if I'm missing anything. The third scenario makes the most logical sense, I think. Scenario 2 is a lot of WIFOM and seems very convoluted. I don't think 4 is the case, and 1 doesn't make much sense. Scenario 3 wouldn't matter if both Mocsta and Jay hadn't claimed to be non-damaging VTs. Now, we don't actually know how scum KP works in this game. It seems that they can split it up however they want (see - 1 damage night 1, 849 damage to ticklish night 2). So I guess scenario 1 is plausible, but I don't see the reason other than scum wanting to frame someone? For Scenario 3 to be true Mocsta AND jay had to be liars/scum. I think this one is pretty unlikely. Do you think it's more likely that scum is poking rayn with 25 damage starting the night rayn taunted Mocsta? Even though Risen's shield was completely available and should have been used to protect both of them? If I remember, Risen even said in thread that he would be shielding rayn (unless I'm confusing that with the QT).
Why wouldn't scum want to claim non-damaging VTs? Yes, they could easily claim damage VTs, but then there is the possibility of them being under heavy scrutiny if their damage comes into question? I still think this is dumb but anyways: No, I don't think it makes any sense for scum to willingly poke rayn that night. Oh, no, I also agree it's completely stupid. But look at the flips - we haven't seen anything that does damage lower than 50. Even Teemo shrooms deal 100 per phase for 3 phases. So unless scum is intentionally poking rayn for 25 damage a night (assuming they can split their damage like that), the only logical explanation is that 25 damage is the 50 damage from a taunted caster minion divided by 2.
Why do you even want to argue with me if we are saying the same thing?^^
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On December 19 2013 04:40 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 04:30 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 19 2013 04:24 justanothertownie wrote:On December 19 2013 04:22 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 19 2013 04:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 19 2013 04:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 19 2013 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: Oh you were talking about the next night. Yeah i don't know about that but the night i first got shot for 25 kp there was no reason to assume Risen will not shield us. I agree with this. So we have few different scenarios (probably already covered, but I need to write it out to keep my thoughts straight): - Scum threw 25 KP your way for two consecutive nights.
- Mocsta did damage to you one night, and in order to cover it up, scum dealt 25 random damage to you the next night.
- Both Mocsta and JayB dealt damage to you through taunts.
- You're lying about the damage.
Idk if I'm missing anything. The third scenario makes the most logical sense, I think. Scenario 2 is a lot of WIFOM and seems very convoluted. I don't think 4 is the case, and 1 doesn't make much sense. Scenario 3 wouldn't matter if both Mocsta and Jay hadn't claimed to be non-damaging VTs. Now, we don't actually know how scum KP works in this game. It seems that they can split it up however they want (see - 1 damage night 1, 849 damage to ticklish night 2). So I guess scenario 1 is plausible, but I don't see the reason other than scum wanting to frame someone? (4) can't be true because Risen proves it. Ah, right, thank you. On December 19 2013 04:13 justanothertownie wrote:On December 19 2013 04:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 19 2013 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: Oh you were talking about the next night. Yeah i don't know about that but the night i first got shot for 25 kp there was no reason to assume Risen will not shield us. I agree with this. So we have few different scenarios (probably already covered, but I need to write it out to keep my thoughts straight): - Scum threw 25 KP your way for two consecutive nights.
- Mocsta did damage to you one night, and in order to cover it up, scum dealt 25 random damage to you the next night.
- Both Mocsta and JayB dealt damage to you through taunts.
- You're lying about the damage.
Idk if I'm missing anything. The third scenario makes the most logical sense, I think. Scenario 2 is a lot of WIFOM and seems very convoluted. I don't think 4 is the case, and 1 doesn't make much sense. Scenario 3 wouldn't matter if both Mocsta and Jay hadn't claimed to be non-damaging VTs. Now, we don't actually know how scum KP works in this game. It seems that they can split it up however they want (see - 1 damage night 1, 849 damage to ticklish night 2). So I guess scenario 1 is plausible, but I don't see the reason other than scum wanting to frame someone? For Scenario 3 to be true Mocsta AND jay had to be liars/scum. I think this one is pretty unlikely. Do you think it's more likely that scum is poking rayn with 25 damage starting the night rayn taunted Mocsta? Even though Risen's shield was completely available and should have been used to protect both of them? If I remember, Risen even said in thread that he would be shielding rayn (unless I'm confusing that with the QT).
Why wouldn't scum want to claim non-damaging VTs? Yes, they could easily claim damage VTs, but then there is the possibility of them being under heavy scrutiny if their damage comes into question? I still think this is dumb but anyways: No, I don't think it makes any sense for scum to willingly poke rayn that night. Oh, no, I also agree it's completely stupid. But look at the flips - we haven't seen anything that does damage lower than 50. Even Teemo shrooms deal 100 per phase for 3 phases. So unless scum is intentionally poking rayn for 25 damage a night (assuming they can split their damage like that), the only logical explanation is that 25 damage is the 50 damage from a taunted caster minion divided by 2. Why do you even want to argue with me if we are saying the same thing?^^
Not arguing - trying to discuss. Because, as I said, I have my reservations about the Mocsta lynch, and I'm just trying to figure things out for myself.
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On December 19 2013 04:29 justanothertownie wrote:
Rayn, you did never taunt Onegu or did you?
No i did not.
N1: VE
N2: ss
N3: Mocsta
N4: jay
N5: forgot
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On December 19 2013 04:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 04:29 justanothertownie wrote:
Rayn, you did never taunt Onegu or did you? No i did not. N1: VE N2: ss N3: Mocsta N4: jay N5: forgot
Whoops, no.
N1: I used the ulti on Koshi.
N2 i was supposed to taunt VE but changed it onto ss.
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Ok, I took my time and went trough Mocstas filter. I don't think I will move my vote today if he doesn't come back and impresses me.
The interactions with MZ do look kinda faked.
Day 2 he campaigned for austin till the wagon was really picking up steam with influential players on it. Then he abandoned it, voted MZ and peaced (stating he wouldn't come back before deadline). He couldn't have known how much heat MZ would get at that point so this to me looks like distancing from a austin or roffles mislynch (both were way in the front at that time) and parking his vote on a scumbuddy to look good later. He was also the first (I think) to propose that scum Coag wouldn't have made the drama about shooting MZ if MZ was scum. Putting MZ as second best scumread from now on and doesn't vote him till directly before deadline.
The bus on JL looks hard but at the end of the dayphases Mocsta always finds a way to vote someone else over him (JL is always only his second best scumread when it gets important). How he voted bum is especially fishy. He also wanted us to use a lynch instead of shooting JL when this was planned.
He doesn't call Onegu and Coag town but he tries to buy time for them at some point.
There is this little detail about his usage of <b></b> that rayn pointed out.
He has oats as a soft townread for the whole game it seems. I think oats is scummy.
Also it is interesting how he instantly asks rayn who he taunted after risen and rayn received dmg.
On December 11 2013 20:04 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 19:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2013 19:56 Mocsta wrote:
Rayn, who did you taunt? scum who is lying, most likely. I thought if you taunt someone, you redirect their action to you @ 50% + I thought you + RIsen were some sort of lovers? Looks like to me, you taunted 50KP out of someone, and it lover reflected to Risen?
This post came up before rayn revealed that he taunted Mocsta. Hmm.
This stuff + the lengthy discussed HP/25 dmg/marksman business is enough for me to not feel bad about leaving my vote on Mocsta.
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Mocsta does not get mad at me as town anymore. I tried to make him mad in BttB but he didn't.
In this game he got seriously mad at me when i accused him. I didn't like it.
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On December 19 2013 06:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta does not get mad at me as town anymore. I tried to make him mad in BttB but he didn't.
In this game he got seriously mad at me when i accused him. I didn't like it.
thats because uyou are dumb.
I'm not a caster.
I am sure you were shot for 25 because there was pittance kp left after 3 nks.
its pretty obvious what the HP is for support heroes.... about 850, 900 yo be safe.
if the best u can do is lynch me for an HP claim. thats so dumb. not one person has explained scum motivation for my actions.
maybe jat, but he's already voted me and now looking at everything in its worst light.
seems like games with you and me, I always get framed.
so yeah I'm sour about this and don't give a fuck anymore.
u r all desperate to lynch pants on head instead of scum and its your loss,
I don't want anything to do with this anymore
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going now.
but jcarl
I would still lynch jayb because we are possibly in mylo and need yo hit the best case chance for scum. plans don't matter anymore
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Welp glad everyone else came to the same conclusion as I did about Mocsta. Time to lynch scum :D
@Mocsta Comon at least pretend you read my filter.
On December 18 2013 14:25 Mocsta wrote:
Jayb
I find it uncomprehendable for a townie to only have 2 points of discussion in a 380page thread.
1. Marv has a scary scum game
2. Mocsta is scum be a use of hp claims
This is beyond bad town and is far beyond what you outputted in nomination mafia.
As I said, every plausible com inaction of scum this game includes you.
Thus you ARE the best lynch in MYLO
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On December 19 2013 07:50 jaybrundage wrote:@Mocsta Comon at least pretend you read my filter. Show nested quote +On December 18 2013 14:25 Mocsta wrote:
Jayb
I find it uncomprehendable for a townie to only have 2 points of discussion in a 380page thread.
1. Marv has a scary scum game
2. Mocsta is scum be a use of hp claims
This is beyond bad town and is far beyond what you outputted in nomination mafia.
As I said, every plausible com inaction of scum this game includes you.
Thus you ARE the best lynch in MYLO
You are right. He missed the part where you hardcore defended MZ. Apart from that his post is quite accurate.
Mocsta isn't even trying anymore - he will die today. I am out.
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why would I bojther trying jat anymore.
I spent hours responding to everything yesterday to be duly ignored.
I'm not even a caster.
I'm really a move creep. and that is no joke.
I never wanted to claim it at the start cos it sounded powerful. when I got shot I said I had higher HP so scum would be less inclined yto keep shooting me.
but whatevz, now the treuth is out of course I need to be lynched now. I understand that.
but realise, u will all look stupid cos I definitely am not a caster
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