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On December 01 2013 20:50 jaybrundage wrote:
Yea I never played a PYP game before I thought we send in draft numbers another phase. I didn't realize we had to ban and send in draft.
So far I think Rayn is town. I dont like marv. I have been in games with him where he plays an amazing scum. I would be totes fine with lynching him. He doesn't seem to care much and knowing how good a mafia player he is. He wont incriminate him self easily
shhhh we don't accuse scummarv. he will destroy our lovely thread!
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On December 01 2013 21:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
SS pretty scummy
what?
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On December 01 2013 21:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
SS pretty scummy
this looks like a cheap countermove to this:
On December 01 2013 02:11 supersoft wrote:yes i know. but this banning discussion is terribly boring... i wanted to join this game day2... that's why i didnt replace in immediately. Another aspect. Oats is so calm and somehow reasonable. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086&user=Oatsmasterhe's actually even defending me a little (even though he didnt really read my posts). Your thoughts?
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+ this Oats & Marv thing looks pretty faked.
"oh don't kill oats"
"hey marv you scum?"
"no?"
"so who's scum, marv?"
"don't care. Who's scum, Oats?
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On December 01 2013 22:07 Mocsta wrote:If SS is pleasant hes prob scum. Has he been plesaant?
that's just bullshit btw. + I only rolled scum once in the last 2 years or so... So I am pretty curious where you got this information from...
Whether I am pleasant or not depends on the other players in the game.
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His stuff is just confused. I think you get the general direction of his posts:
You don't perform as expected.
The question is, is this alignment indicative?
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On December 01 2013 22:57 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 22:13 supersoft wrote:On December 01 2013 21:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
SS pretty scummy this looks like a cheap countermove to this: On December 01 2013 02:11 supersoft wrote:yes i know. but this banning discussion is terribly boring... i wanted to join this game day2... that's why i didnt replace in immediately. Another aspect. Oats is so calm and somehow reasonable. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086&user=Oatsmasterhe's actually even defending me a little (even though he didnt really read my posts). Your thoughts? lol what?
seriously? we're already at the point where you just "lol what?" my posts? You said I am scummy. You didn't give any reasoning.
I called you out before for soft-defending me randomly without actually reading my stuff
then one day later you randomly appear and call me scum.
I point out, that this looks like a cheap countermove and you answer "lol what?"
I think you're just posting without reading anything in detail. That's extremely scummy man. I don't know
I won't talk about ongoing games here.
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On December 01 2013 23:03 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 22:51 supersoft wrote:
His stuff is just confused. I think you get the general direction of his posts:
You don't perform as expected.
The question is, is this alignment indicative? I perform less lazily at the start of a game as mafia, this is kinda well documented so that should make me town, if we're purely going by meta...
i should have phrased that differently:
"His question is, is this alignment indicative?"
I am well aware that it isnt.
I will come back for you at d2-d3 if I and if you are still alive...
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On December 02 2013 02:58 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 01:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
So rayn;'s plan, claim 1/1, then dont pick 1/1 and YOU KNOW that town is gonna pick 1/1 but scum wants roles more than town so they aint gonna pick 1/1 Why would rayn not pick 1/1? Doesn't make any sense to me. Also how would he KNOW town would pick it?
I don't get this either. But I don't see a scummotivation behind this...
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Set-up Expert BC... don't you want to give us some plan what we should pick?
I see a huge catastrophe with lots of VTs incoming -_-
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I am really not a fan of these organising these things...
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On December 01 2013 13:10 bumatlarge wrote:Alright, this is what I am proposing. The first 6 slots should pick these, in this order. I think they are too strong not to keep track of, and knowing who they are will give us a lot of power over them, even if they are mafia. The next roles I believe are very useful for town and not so much mafia. TOWNLux Jarvan IV Taric Karma Galio Orianna Syndra These are the protective and investigative roles in power order(Mafia nerfed our DTs  ) We really want to have all these roles, so I suggest the next 7 slots take them. This does make them susceptible to KP so here's what I would do. Flip a coin to determine if you would get the town blue or a vet. This way, mafia would have a rough time killing off our medic/DT section if there is a 50% of them being vets. I would say these roles would do nicely. DefensiveDr. Mundo Fiora Garen Mordekaiser Poppy I think Galio and Taric are already naturally bulky and protective, so they don't need to RNG. The slots below this can do whatever. Vig, Vet or even checking a role done before. WoS said there are hidden abilities for every champ, so I don't think there is a downside to going for weaker roles. I think the last few slots should be devoted to checking picks. Either the power 6, the 5 non-defensive blues, or one of these mafia-sided roles. MAFIATalon Nocturne Shaco Amumu These are pretty much mafia favored roles (some more then others) so last slots *could* check them. I don't think town would take these roles, so no one would have them except mafia. The last slots have a much worse chance of getting neutral roles like veteran/evasion or vigilante roles so I think it's worth towns while. Show nested quote +1. Koshi - Warwick
2. Kurumi - Viktor
3. VisceraEyes - Kassadin
4. jcarlsoniv - Heimer
5. Mig - Janna
6. JonnyLaw - Tryndamere
7. Risen - 50/50 Lux/Dr. Mundo
8. StorrZerg -50/50 Jarvan/Fiora
9. geript - Taric
10. austinmcc - 50/50 Karma/Garen
11. Meapak_Ziphh - Galio
12. Sandroba - 50/50 Orianna/Mordekaiser
13. Kenpachi - 50/50 Syndra/Poppy
14. Rean
15. bumatlarge
16. BloddyC0bbler
17. justanothertownie
18. marvellosity
19. gtrsrs
20. OdinOfPergo
21. Mocsta
22. supersoft - Warwick/???
23. Oatsmaster - Janna/Heimer
24. raynpelikoneet - Lux/Viktor
25. onlywonderboy - Jarvan/Kassadin
26. ticklishmusic - Taric/Tryndamere
27. Roffles - Galio/Shaco
28. Bill Murray - Karma/Talon
29. jaybrundage - Orianna/Nocturne
30. nyxnyxnyx - Syndra/Amumu That's my rough draft. If people have recommendations or criticisms on numbers/orders or generally better ideas, I'm open to it.
actually this post is quite decent. We need to discuss this now. Otherwise we screw up the whole game!
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My basic thoughts about the general sheme of picks:
I think everyone should ask himself whether he's a higher or a lower priority scumKP target.
Depending on how endangered you are, you should take a more defensive or a more offensive/supportive role.
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On December 02 2013 06:40 WaveofShadow wrote:
As of now, kushm4sta will be replacing onlywonderboy.
You have ~5 hours to send in your champion selections.
Okay we had 5 afk people?
And out of them just owb gets replaced.
One might wonder who complained right before the pick-deadline
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i mean that out of the 5 afklers the hosts replaced the scummer first, because he has a lobby demanding his replacement...
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why is everyone claiming VT? Do want to make it super easy for scum or what is your intention?!
Don't claim if you don't have a good reason.
Day1 is not the day for a mass role claim.
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...Kurumis list is a roadmap for bluesnipes. wtf are you thinking?!
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We're not doing a massclaim? who said that? LBS? look at this shit:
On December 02 2013 08:32 sandroba wrote:
Let me think aloud here for a second. What happens if we all claim which roles we are taking, so it ensures maximum amount of roles for town. That way even mafia has to claim and we all claim what we did (after resolution) for the night as well. That would greatly simplify the game and force mafia to make mistakes with their claims. The trade off is that mafia is going to get what they want and know where the roles are, but with so many different protective roles and unknown abilities pehaps it is a good trade off. A town composed of 100% blues is a monster.
On December 02 2013 09:27 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 09:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 02 2013 09:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Roles do not = alignment. Mass claiming roles really doesn't give anyone an idea of anyones alignment. And given the sheer fact every role has hidden shit Outing all that hidden shite is dumb. Mafia clearly didn't want to deal with dt roles this game and if anyones secret role info ends up being a dt why would you out that for mafia? Also people having x roles means any role that requires knowing someone elses role to activate or reach full power of said role gives mafia a huge advantage. It also lets mafia snipe more threatening roles to them more quickly and also makes it harder to determine peoples alignment given that they can shoot based off of "that role would suck to face" as opposed to offing people who are being solid townies, etc.. and thus throwing town into chaos.
Claiming is situational and a mass claim does not help the town anywhere near as much as it helps mafia. This post is totally wrong but i don't really care because people won't follow the plan anyways. I wouldn't say it is totally wrong. Ever since town decided the best idea was to ban out the obvious mafia roles, which was a horrible idea because those would be easy mafia kills, roles do not = aliment. However, giving mafia the power roles free reign is an incredibly stupid idea and come day I will be roleclaiming and voting anyone who doesnt
On December 02 2013 11:05 LSB wrote:Everyone roleclaim after roles are given
Okay sandroba had a decent plan. I agree 100% blue town vs. strong scumroles and also 100% "blue" reds is better than a "normal" setup with many VTs.
LBS himself pointed out that there are hidden abilities and he doesnt want to organise and massclaim.
after that he demands a massclaim AFTER the picking phase.
What is the benefit of this?
We went from sandrobas completely reasonable plan, to a complete useless massroleclaim at day1.
Stupid.
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On December 02 2013 19:50 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 19:44 supersoft wrote:
...Kurumis list is a roadmap for bluesnipes. wtf are you thinking?! Not sure, last time I checked I was an assassin and town, so that list is handy to me, also keeps track of our mass claim?
1. there is no massclaim.
2. assassin, yes. town is a solid questionmark right now.
3. also hidden abilities might target special characters.
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oh man i don't have enough time right now to reread all this. Let's focus on a decent lynchtarget please.
i'll be back this evening.
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