So I decided to reread Mocsta his filter and after these posts I simply cannot vote Mocsta. I am really sorry but if Mocsta is town we voted a town hero away instead of a scummer.
These are all consecutive posts btw. Instead for a small VE interaction Mocsta talks about scum only. Sounds a bit insane if you see he started out with that "wishy-washy" post that sandroba quoted. I don't buy it that Mocsta is scum. I had him as town early and even though the Sandroba case changed my view, after reading these posts I will not be voting for Mocsta.
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2013 16:23 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 16:18 Roffles wrote:On December 02 2013 16:02 Mocsta wrote:On December 02 2013 15:58 Roffles wrote:On December 02 2013 15:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
Gtrsrs just didnt really post anything after day 1. I think its far more likely for scum to do that because they dont see anything instantly to contribute, he just bitched about not getting khazix If he's scum, what's to gain from posting really dumb shit instead of just staying quiet like half the players? Sir RofflesDo you have an opinion on someone <other> than gtrsrs? Jaybrundage screams red. Just complete wishwash nonsense from him. Inactivity for a while after trying to "unsuccessfully" instigate plans he never had any intentions of carrying out. Think MZ's red too. Don't have previous experience for me to draw information off, but his play seems super hostile for no apparent reason, especially when someone briefly mentions his name in passing as "could be scum". Doesn't make any sense to me why anyone would be so super defensive so quick. With gtrsrs you gave some insight into why you think his motives were townie. With Jay + MZ can you have detailed some actions you find odd/scummy. Can you please walk me through why the motives are pushing a scum agenda. On December 02 2013 16:33 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 16:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:uh no missed that sorry. I really don't know what you're accusing me of. Let's clear this up once and for all: I first provided a green read on VE AFTER rayn asked me. My reasoning was the same then as it was now: I've seen his play and know what it looks like. I came out in defense of him so hard because I know what an easy mislynch he is. He was mislynched in the last game I played and I've mislynched him before. He's an easy target for scum to jump on and I wanted to put a halt to any possible wagon that might start. onto gtrsrs... idk how it's fake, my case is like literally the second one made this game, I have no idea how it's "fake." I pointed out behavior I thought was scummy and how gtrsrs has not been playing with a town mindset. OK, I can leave the town VE read alone. I suppose everyone has their own special reads (e.g. Rayn with OdinofPergo). I don't like how you have gone about gtrsrs. My read on him aside (1) You made a case on a guy calling him out for flying under the radar -- yet you noticed him (2) Instead of probing to ascertain his alignment, you lead with a vote. With his amount of content I dont see how anyone could have such a strong read on him. What differentiates him from all the other trolls? (3) You aren't going out of your way to adapt your message to communicate it. i.e. you put out a case and are happy to talk about other issues (in fairness you are being called out) but still. this reads like feigned contribution to me. (4) In Sicilian you were an unpleasant troll -- but town. Why can't gtrsrs fit this mould? On December 02 2013 16:36 Mocsta wrote:
Rayn,
What do you think of Roffles? //fair enough if you want to wait for him to reply to my last query. On December 02 2013 16:44 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 16:41 Kenpachi wrote:On December 02 2013 16:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 02 2013 16:19 Kenpachi wrote:On December 02 2013 16:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 02 2013 16:12 Kenpachi wrote:On December 02 2013 16:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 02 2013 16:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
WHY DOESNT ANYONE WANT TO TALK TO ME. The following people are town: raynpelikoneet, supersoft, geript, OdinOfPergo, Storrzerg, sandroba, gtrsrs, Oatsmaster, justanothertownie, VisceraEyes, Mocsta. You obviously disagree with geript but i do not think there is much to talk about it because i can just say "i don't think he is faking it". What about others? Personally, I think you're blindsided for considering so many people town this early on. So I find it hard to take all of your claims seriously. what are you trying to accomplish by holding hands with everybody I am holding hands only with people i think are town. Which of those reads you disagree on? all of them. what the hell? you're avoiding the question I think i have explained the reads on Oats, Odin, VE, gtrsrs and supersoft. Sandroba had a really pro-town end of N0. Mocsta is being reasonable and has good thoughts and questions for people. geript is a meta-read and started scumhunting asap on N0 and noticed jay's terribad post. Had really good posts overall. JAT is being reasonable and wants to work together regarding plans and calls out people for their bad posts. StorrZerg the same. I don't see your point. N0 in PYP's it's more beneficial to find townies than to find scum because you should put townies in top of draft order to ensure good roles are picked by town. Therefore i have way more townreads than scumreads, i have been townhunting more than scumhunting. Am i not allowed to have 10 townreads in a game where there is like 25 townies? If you disagree with them why don't you tell me where i am wrong or question me about the reads? Why just say "you can't do this". In last PYP i found 6 townies in the first 24h. So no, it's not unreasonable at all to have 10 townreads in my opinion. haha fuck I have to agree bitterly cause its rather right but I don't want to agree with it, cause I feel like a total idiot tbh. And being damned, I'd have to submit to your method for now. My day 1 is by far the weakest part of my game anyways so I cant criticize you for having a plan when honestly, I'm going to be sitting here considering everyone null. But I would say its hard to call everyone in that group town based on the statistics/intuition. Pick Me !! Pick Me !! Ken (can I call you that?) Out of that list of 10; is Rayn was wrong about anyone; who do you think *could* be the most likely. I guess in other words; when you say null; do you mean I have zero opinion or anyone, or there is not enough information to have a firm opinion? On December 02 2013 16:51 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 16:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2013 16:33 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 16:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:uh no missed that sorry. I really don't know what you're accusing me of. Let's clear this up once and for all: I first provided a green read on VE AFTER rayn asked me. My reasoning was the same then as it was now: I've seen his play and know what it looks like. I came out in defense of him so hard because I know what an easy mislynch he is. He was mislynched in the last game I played and I've mislynched him before. He's an easy target for scum to jump on and I wanted to put a halt to any possible wagon that might start. onto gtrsrs... idk how it's fake, my case is like literally the second one made this game, I have no idea how it's "fake." I pointed out behavior I thought was scummy and how gtrsrs has not been playing with a town mindset. OK, I can leave the town VE read alone. I suppose everyone has their own special reads (e.g. Rayn with OdinofPergo). I don't like how you have gone about gtrsrs. My read on him aside (1) You made a case on a guy calling him out for flying under the radar -- yet you noticed him someone has to? I don't see how this is a problem. Are you saying we're both scum and I'm bussing? The point of scum hunting is to search out and find scum. Scum don't just magically lynch themselves, they have to be found first I am pointing out the irony of your case. If he is fulfilling a scum objective to blend in, he would not have stood out to you. Show nested quote +(2) Instead of probing to ascertain his alignment, you lead with a vote. With his amount of content I dont see how anyone could have such a strong read on him. What differentiates him from all the other trolls?
a) votes are the best way to gain information b) he's different because he's trying to look like he cares while at the same time trying to hide. c) Besides, it's the beginning of the game so I vote off of the information I have available to me. My vote isn't set in stone, it simply lies where I feel it is most appropriate at the moment So are you voting him for information, or because you think he is scum? Like, in your case you originally point out LSB. Why not probe LSB further instead of going for the easy path forward with gtrsrs? Show nested quote +(3) You aren't going out of your way to adapt your message to communicate it.
i.e. you put out a case and are happy to talk about other issues (in fairness you are being called out) but still. this reads like feigned contribution to me.
Somehow VE became a much bigger issue so I've kinda been dealing with that. Also gtrsrs hasn't been back in the thread so there's not much I can do until he responds to what I have to say This is acceptable. Show nested quote +(4) In Sicilian you were an unpleasant troll -- but town. Why can't gtrsrs fit this mould?
lol... was waiting for someone to point out I was an ass in Sicilian... I don't even remember why I trolled Sicilian, the point is I don't think gtrsrs is trolling, he just has anti town objectives. And what again is his specific objective that he is pushing? As far as I could see , he is self-centered. Which yes could be scum.. but as has been proved by game after game of forum mafia, could also be town. I cant follow how you jump to this conclusion. On December 02 2013 16:59 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 16:53 Roffles wrote:
gtrsrs is bad town because he drew poorly and didn't get what he wanted.
JayBrundage is scum because the accusations are wild and have no basis and in general everything about his posting screams "blame x, y, z" even when confronted himself instead of simply taking the time to explain himself. *is* = strong word. Are you going to lead with a vote? On December 02 2013 17:02 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 17:00 Roffles wrote:On December 02 2013 16:56 Oatsmaster wrote:On December 02 2013 16:53 Roffles wrote:
gtrsrs is bad town because he drew poorly and didn't get what he wanted.
JayBrundage is scum because the accusations are wild and have no basis and in general everything about his posting screams "blame x, y, z" even when confronted himself instead of simply taking the time to explain himself. What? This doesnt even make sense. How would gtrsrs' response be different if he was scum? Would'nt it be the same? How does wild accusations and 'blame x, y, x' make Jay scum? Seriously what is this?? You think scum makes posts that basically say "Fuck this game, I give up?" Cause I don't think anyone's dumb enough to attract attention to themselves through that method. I dont think gtrsrs is scum, but thats a stretch of his filter. Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 14:39 gtrsrs wrote:
so who took kha'zix? i declared that i was taking him and so you are scum for taking him. please come forward so i can lynch you Doesn't sound like hes giving up to me? On December 02 2013 17:09 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 17:06 Roffles wrote:On December 02 2013 17:02 Mocsta wrote:On December 02 2013 17:00 Roffles wrote:On December 02 2013 16:56 Oatsmaster wrote:On December 02 2013 16:53 Roffles wrote:
gtrsrs is bad town because he drew poorly and didn't get what he wanted.
JayBrundage is scum because the accusations are wild and have no basis and in general everything about his posting screams "blame x, y, z" even when confronted himself instead of simply taking the time to explain himself. What? This doesnt even make sense. How would gtrsrs' response be different if he was scum? Would'nt it be the same? How does wild accusations and 'blame x, y, x' make Jay scum? Seriously what is this?? You think scum makes posts that basically say "Fuck this game, I give up?" Cause I don't think anyone's dumb enough to attract attention to themselves through that method. I dont think gtrsrs is scum, but thats a stretch of his filter. On December 02 2013 14:39 gtrsrs wrote:
so who took kha'zix? i declared that i was taking him and so you are scum for taking him. please come forward so i can lynch you Doesn't sound like hes giving up to me? Doesn't sound like he cares what happens to anyone except that whoever took his champ gets lynched. hmmm, perhaps this is just a matter of semantics/interpretations. All moot carry on. Want to weigh in on this MZ stuff? Is MZ overplaying bad town tells; or scum pushing lynch bait? On December 02 2013 17:27 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 17:19 bumatlarge wrote:
Mocsta, vote jcarl. You already figured out he was scum before I did. But you didnt vote him? lol On December 02 2013 17:33 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 17:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On December 02 2013 16:51 Mocsta wrote:On December 02 2013 16:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2013 16:33 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 16:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:uh no missed that sorry. I really don't know what you're accusing me of. Let's clear this up once and for all: I first provided a green read on VE AFTER rayn asked me. My reasoning was the same then as it was now: I've seen his play and know what it looks like. I came out in defense of him so hard because I know what an easy mislynch he is. He was mislynched in the last game I played and I've mislynched him before. He's an easy target for scum to jump on and I wanted to put a halt to any possible wagon that might start. onto gtrsrs... idk how it's fake, my case is like literally the second one made this game, I have no idea how it's "fake." I pointed out behavior I thought was scummy and how gtrsrs has not been playing with a town mindset. OK, I can leave the town VE read alone. I suppose everyone has their own special reads (e.g. Rayn with OdinofPergo). I don't like how you have gone about gtrsrs. My read on him aside (1) You made a case on a guy calling him out for flying under the radar -- yet you noticed him someone has to? I don't see how this is a problem. Are you saying we're both scum and I'm bussing? The point of scum hunting is to search out and find scum. Scum don't just magically lynch themselves, they have to be found first I am pointing out the irony of your case. If he is fulfilling a scum objective to blend in, he would not have stood out to you. sigh, so in order to be working towards the scum objective of not getting caught you have to actually not get caught? This literally makes no sense, that implies that if a scum is caught they aren't scum because they got caught. Do you understand how dumb that sounds?(2) Instead of probing to ascertain his alignment, you lead with a vote. With his amount of content I dont see how anyone could have such a strong read on him. What differentiates him from all the other trolls?
a) votes are the best way to gain information b) he's different because he's trying to look like he cares while at the same time trying to hide. c) Besides, it's the beginning of the game so I vote off of the information I have available to me. My vote isn't set in stone, it simply lies where I feel it is most appropriate at the moment So are you voting him for information, or because you think he is scum? Like, in your case you originally point out LSB. Why not probe LSB further instead of going for the easy path forward with gtrsrs? Because I think he's scum. But if someone comes along who I consider a better candidate I'll vote them. Why do you have a problem with me voting? He's in no danger of dying at the moment. As for LSB, that's a gut feeling and I need to see him post more (as I said) before I can draw anything from it(3) You aren't going out of your way to adapt your message to communicate it.
i.e. you put out a case and are happy to talk about other issues (in fairness you are being called out) but still. this reads like feigned contribution to me.
Somehow VE became a much bigger issue so I've kinda been dealing with that. Also gtrsrs hasn't been back in the thread so there's not much I can do until he responds to what I have to say This is acceptable. good -_-(4) In Sicilian you were an unpleasant troll -- but town. Why can't gtrsrs fit this mould?
lol... was waiting for someone to point out I was an ass in Sicilian... I don't even remember why I trolled Sicilian, the point is I don't think gtrsrs is trolling, he just has anti town objectives. And what again is his specific objective that he is pushing? As far as I could see , he is self-centered. Which yes could be scum.. but as has been proved by game after game of forum mafia, could also be town. I cant follow how you jump to this conclusion. He is shitting up the thread and trying not to look like he's doing so. That's scummy jesus christ calm down, I missed it again. As you recognized I am currently dealing with other people. Points 1-3 are accepted. Point 4 -- I dont follow this conclusion. What has he done to shit the thread; even you acknowledge his post content is low. Further, he seems to be keeping everything within his own microcosm. Vote remains. On December 02 2013 17:48 Mocsta wrote:
Hmm that's reasonable.
I disagree that he is scummy but I think I can see your point of view.
Heading home. Will figure out my vote later on. On December 03 2013 09:54 Mocsta wrote:Hi guys  Firstly, its pretty annoying to wade through 30 pages here my name is being tossed around and nothing is being addressed to me. - Regarding MZ was suspicious of MZ because I did not believe that someone could have such a strong read on a player with so little content at that point in time. In short, his approach felt identical to mine in Mafia LXII regarding Storrzerg. Whats the problem?Because what I am reading is that people are making association reads on gtrsrs to say stuff like "im chainsaw defending. " WTF? Secondly, I'm VT not fake claiming anything. I already crumbed what role I went for. "I play with myself" In a meeting. Be back in an hour. On December 03 2013 10:35 Mocsta wrote:
I can get behind JohnnyLaw
Definitely didnt like the way he talked about me. Felt like he was trying to +1 onto bullshit.
##Vote: JohnnyLaw On December 03 2013 10:41 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 10:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hey guys, Mocsta is literally talking out of his ass. He couldn't have been suspicious of MZ for that reason because he had a town read on gtsrs to the point of hard defending him against me AND MZ, in spite of the guy having literally zero content in the thread.
/dunked. Really? I pretty much alluded to it immediately when MZ made the case. Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 15:17 Mocsta wrote:On December 02 2013 15:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I want opinions from everybody in the thread on gtrsrs and geript.
I'm not doing an analysis of geript right now since people keep calling him town. I'll accept that I might be wrong for now. But I want people to justify these reads instead of just sheeping rayn. If everyone just continue to parrot rayn I'll go do some digging of my own but right now gtrsrs is my primary goal. I disagree on gtrsrs & Geript. This sounds to me like you are trying to pick on poor play rather look into scum agenda.If Gtrsrs is trying to fly under the radar.. why are *YOU* noticing him compared to the 28 other people in the game. As for you; you made a point i disagreed with in general - not specific to gtr. /<No> Dunked On December 03 2013 10:57 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 10:47 VisceraEyes wrote:On December 03 2013 10:41 Mocsta wrote:On December 03 2013 10:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hey guys, Mocsta is literally talking out of his ass. He couldn't have been suspicious of MZ for that reason because he had a town read on gtsrs to the point of hard defending him against me AND MZ, in spite of the guy having literally zero content in the thread.
/dunked. Really? I pretty much alluded to it immediately when MZ made the case. On December 02 2013 15:17 Mocsta wrote:On December 02 2013 15:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I want opinions from everybody in the thread on gtrsrs and geript.
I'm not doing an analysis of geript right now since people keep calling him town. I'll accept that I might be wrong for now. But I want people to justify these reads instead of just sheeping rayn. If everyone just continue to parrot rayn I'll go do some digging of my own but right now gtrsrs is my primary goal. I disagree on gtrsrs & Geript. This sounds to me like you are trying to pick on poor play rather look into scum agenda.If Gtrsrs is trying to fly under the radar.. why are *YOU* noticing him compared to the 28 other people in the game. As for you; you made a point i disagreed with in general - not specific to gtr. /<No> Dunked Whether you say that's your reason or not is completely meaningless. You're doing it yourself, so if you would have us believe that you're town, then you're doing the exact same thing you're accusing MZ of. Having a relatively strong townread on someone you by all accounts you have no business having. MZ has reasons for having his read on me, which he's clearly laid out. What were your reasons again for thinking gtsrs was so obviously town Mocsta? You are the one jumping to conclusions and I don't like it. My read on gtr is irrelevant. I *believe* that you can't have such a strong read early game, in particular off troll content I that is easy to interpret to both alignments. Hence why I decided to probe MZ for more information on his motive. I dont see what the problem is? As for gtrsrs, I never had a *strong* town read on him. Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 14:50 Mocsta wrote:[ gtrsrs - Soft town lean I hate players like this. Troll. Its pretty light hearted, and the joke he made on Sandroba made me laugh, which is probably a good sign - as joviality is hard to fake. Most of the stuff is selfish setup talk which probably indicates town that will be useless to moving the thread forward i.e. the usual TL sign up these days.  I had a soft town lean. Regardless of that, asking someone to clarify "they are pushing a scum agenda" does not equivocate to "having a strong town lean". On December 03 2013 11:10 Mocsta wrote:
Hard defending?
Cases say more about the accuser than the recipient.
I was asking you guys to better articulate your arguments... because I wanted to know the motive of slamming what I thought was poor play vs scum play.
Again. I don't see what the problem is here.
On December 03 2013 11:14 Mocsta wrote:
Good.
Then u need to get ya butt onto Jonnylaw.
That guy was so wishywashy in his last couple posts. On December 03 2013 11:17 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 11:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
I've got my own lurker lynch lined up. Lay off my vote friend. Lol. How is johnny a lurker vote? He's tried to contribute by +1'n the vets. It's far from an activity policy lynch.
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