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On December 02 2013 09:03 austinmcc wrote:
Mass claiming requires everybody to cooperate, and has no way of determining whether mafia didn't cooperate with something or stubborn/fun-seeking townies didn't. Look at crap like people always wanting inventor, or wanting a specific champ this time around (there have been a couple "i'm picking my favorite champs"). Also, it's close to deadline and you won't get everyone to post/agree.
I think it's a fine plan but not in this situation. It's great in theory but in practice it is so horribly likely to work like the optimal case, and the main reason for that is that people are people and not that mafia will twirl their moustaches and screw up the plan.
austin, do you think a post like this helps the town? Do you think it makes sense to post this as scum?
On December 04 2013 11:52 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 11:51 Rean wrote:On December 04 2013 11:49 austinmcc wrote:On December 04 2013 11:43 Rean wrote:Austin, can I ask you something?  Yar. Are you mafia? Nope. I ain't even korean.
insecure.
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oh man VE... 19 filterpages... seriously? Do I have to read all this? did you ever have a scumgame with 19 filterpages?
... i guess i have to. Since "timetodie" i can't trust you anymore :D
also further thoughts on austin:
I think he had a really scummy start in this game.
After that he had a non alignment indicative break.
And now he came back, posted a lot but nothing that makes looks especially townish or scummy.
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On December 06 2013 18:18 gtrsrs wrote:gonna stick my vote on soniv like i intended to last night don't want you guys thinking this is a random vote without reasoning. my mind hasn't been swayed by his defense or any subsequent posts. in fact his very defensive defense felt like it affirmed my suspicions. even if soniv picked thresh, doesn't mean he's not mafia. though thresh is more of a madlife support than a poohmandu support...  i have read the entire thread and i don't feel extremely strongly about most of the cases being made. part of me thinks that this game is just town attacking town while mafia AFKs, and another part of me thinks that all the mafia is trying so desperately to not be suspicious via AFKing that they're all just bussing each other lol. i know that it lies somewhere in between, but there is sure a ton of bitching going on. by the time we have soniv lynched i hope that i'll have some more strong suspicions i can dive into chez, you sure are an interesting poster. i really like your enthusiasm and adherence to triviality. i am not in the right mindset to decipher a lot of what you've written at the moment, but i may get a chance on saturday. is there any chance you could send me some PMs with some hints? i'm not particularly clever. odin, i think you need to relax i would like to see more out of roffles. i think it's possible that when he suggested that i was shit-posting because i was pissed i didn't get a role, he was subtly referring to himself too. i'd like to reiterate what i said earlier about roffles being wayyyy too experienced a lol player to suggest that a lantern would be anything other than thresh's lantern. just curious as to why he'd try to mislead the thread in that sense. in another note, when chez claimed to be all-knowing, my mind immediately jumped to twisted fate and POSSIBLY malzahar, and i was surprised that soniv suggested nidalee's traps as offering omniscience. just a tidbit i guess. but, also strange, doran in the game is not all-knowing. he's the opposite - a simpleton. his lore says that he was kicked in the head by his donkey which is why he can't make fancy items and just makes the starting items (d-blade, d-shield, d-ring). is that what you meant by things aren't how they appear, chez? good night thread u know??
How/why??
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Towny town: mkfuba07, rayn, kush, Mocsta, geript, sandroba+ Show Spoiler +I have no interest in moving these people out of my towny town reads ever again this game. Quick reasons: marv supertown this should be obvious to all, rayn town for spam and trying to solve game, kush I am not certain about but gut says town and he will not change his playstyle or how he approaches this game so I better follow gut, Mocsta & geript both town because I like their play and I have no interest to start doubting people that play this game pro town, sandroba because short but sweet filter and I feel filter is looking for and trying to push scum. If any of these people are scum, good for them but I am not wasting time doubting them anymore.
Leaning town: Oatsmaster, Justanothertownie, supersoft, Chezinu + Show Spoiler +Oats because his 10 page filter that meta screams town Oats, JAT because I don't know any of his scumgames but I do know that this is how he plays town, supersoft is a though one but I think he is town and I am not lynching him but I don't know really, but he is pretty selfabsorbed so we can lynch him D4 if he isn't dead or solved the game, Chezinu because he is crazy and fun and I think he is using his madness for town.
So I am looking at the player list and I realize I just gave everybody with who I played a game with a townread except for Onegu, Austin, VE and Mig.
Onegu: I don't know, that case man, I like it, I haven't seen really loveable cases from Onegu before, not on this level. Hmmmmmmmm. Maybe both Odin and Onegu are scum, this crossed my mind but meh, I think Onegu should not be lynched before Odin at this point. But also Odin is not really the biggest target for me. I need rayn input. But rayn is awol. meh.
Austin: The more he posts the more I want him in the game because he is a guy that puts in a SHITTON of work. Every game I played with him. (Which is only Nuclear, Thug, LXIII and then this one) but still look at how massive those posts are. I don't know if I want to lynch Austin. Like he also said, he has 2 games going on and I can understand that this massive thread is not as easy to fully comprehend when you are playing in another game as well. The reason why we ae on his ass is for lack of content + rushed out content. But is this because he is scum or because he has too much on his plate? Do not want to lynch anymore tbh.
VE: I don't know. He is in a bad place I imagine irl. Don't want to lynch till later. Strong player. scum kinda can't go around and not shoot him. The reason why I am not leaning town on him is probably because I didn't filter dive him like I did supersoft. If I get a bullet right now I would have a hard time picking between supersoft and VE. Also not really want to lynch... ugh.
Mig:
Not happy about Mig but again strong player and didn't do jack shit first 2 days in LXIII as well. Claimed 100 damage. If this damage is confirmed from town one day I will seriously consider murdering Mig.
All the rest:
Haven't played games with and I simply don't know. Rest of the day my focus will need to be put in reading these people.
^ my thoughts atm
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I agree with the towny town reads for sure.
For the leaning town: oats, jat seem ok
Interesting enough I might consider chez here too (cos once or twice he broke out of troll character to convey a point) -- might seem small, but I think only town would have a need to do that
I would also include Jay
Supersoft is null for me. I still dunno what he wants out of this game. I think your assessment of D3 or D4 is valid/of merit.
Austin: Haven't re read that stuff yet, will do it later. Like i said, I think its worth credit that out of the lurkers under pressure - he is the only one that has given something back to the thread. I now just have to re-read to make sure that stuff isn't bullshit.
Mig; Im not interested in considering for lynch.
VE: Is interesting. recently everything I say he just takes it the wrong way. even when clarified. I really can't tell if this is intentional, or like you said, hes in a bad place right now -- which is of course, understandable.
I dont want to lynch him today, will reserve judgement until I know who the parity check is on.
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who is soniv?? not on playerlist
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On December 06 2013 19:50 kushm4sta wrote:
who is soniv?? not on playerlist
JCarlsoniv
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You know who like as mafia:
Risen, he claims RB in a land he should never claim RB. Then he trows a hissyfit about the fact that it is town fault for massclaiming and then him being RB and now he can't mason rayn and yabbayabba.
I understand that there is not much info to gain by lynching him. But he is a good #yolo lynch.
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I shall vote him to awaken him.
##vote: Risen
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I could imagine, that the RB came from town...
The only thing that makes risen look "better" is his Karma pick.
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Is Risen a scum townplayer? I see him as scum just pick something that would make him look good.
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I mean. a scum TEAMplayer
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I ranked him as low "black" not yet red on my list because of his Karma pick - now that I think about it, it's pretty sloppy of me to let him of the hook only for his pick :-D
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On December 06 2013 20:12 Koshi wrote:
Is Risen a scum townplayer? I see him as scum just pick something that would make him look good.
yes yes yes, i am having the same thoughts.
Well Risen played in "time to die" where masons played a huge role
_and_ BC completely fooled me by masoning me and talking nicely to me.
I could imagine, that Risen wants to follow that example!!!
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On December 06 2013 20:12 Koshi wrote:
Is Risen a scum townplayer? I see him as scum just pick something that would make him look good.
hmm thats a tough one.
I havent seen him play scum, but I know he won an award for scum plan with bussing -- so i think he woudl work well in a scum taem.
My early read on him was selfish town. For me, his vote on JCarl is in sync with that.
Feel free to keep the pressure on him though.
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btw. my current list. now with risen way down. he was right underneath oats before...
supersoft
sandroba
raynpelikoneet
marvellosity
mocsta
Mig
kushm4sta
Kenpachi/Chezinu
Koshi
Meapak_Ziphh
VisceraEyes
Oatsmaster
LSB - ??
gtrsrs - ?
ticklishmusic
jaybrundage
Roffles
Rean
Risen
Onegu
austinmcc
no really solid read:
Coagulation
JonnyLaw
geript
jcarlsoniv
OdinOfPergo
justanothertownie
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On December 06 2013 20:10 supersoft wrote:
I could imagine, that the RB came from town...
The only thing that makes risen look "better" is his Karma pick.
Scum probably picked a healer as well anyway. Karma has multiheal in cone form. Multiheal good for scum. Need to keep good track of all these HP/RB/etc claims for later on. So that in the end when there is lylo information can be gathered easily.
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On December 06 2013 20:44 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 20:10 supersoft wrote:
I could imagine, that the RB came from town...
The only thing that makes risen look "better" is his Karma pick. Scum probably picked a healer as well anyway. Karma has multiheal in cone form. Multiheal good for scum. Need to keep good track of all these HP/RB/etc claims for later on. So that in the end when there is lylo information can be gathered easily. If scum picked a healer, do you think they would be brazen enough to admit it + claim the heal?
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On December 06 2013 20:49 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 20:44 Koshi wrote:On December 06 2013 20:10 supersoft wrote:
I could imagine, that the RB came from town...
The only thing that makes risen look "better" is his Karma pick. Scum probably picked a healer as well anyway. Karma has multiheal in cone form. Multiheal good for scum. Need to keep good track of all these HP/RB/etc claims for later on. So that in the end when there is lylo information can be gathered easily. If scum picked a healer, do you think they would be brazen enough to admit it + claim the heal?
On December 03 2013 10:35 Risen wrote:
I've been convinced to claim. Not having access to much of what each role can do limits the value of everyone claiming, but I hadn't considered the value of trackers when thinking about what mafia could do as far as doctor/roleblock.
I am Karma, the Enlightened One! OdinOfPergo you have no one to blame but yourself for not picking someone different. I told you not to pick her.
this is his claim. under these circumstances.
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