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reason stated earlier. But yeah, people are saying he's town from a meta point of view. Name is somewhat familiar but I havent played in a long time and I don't have the luxury of that atm. This wasn't directed at you, it was directed at the people who are doing that, guess I should have made that more clear
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This wasn't directed at you, it was directed at the people who are doing that, guess I should have made that more clear | ||
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On December 02 2013 15:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't care about explaining my town reads unless you are making a case on them. What Roffles said about gtrsrs is totally right and MZ you didn't explain anything in your read on VE, you did not even answer my question about "how has VE been helping the town". VE is trying and shows that he cares. That's a big town tell. You have to look at how people contribute. Not everybody is gonna be foolishness or ver and whip out amazing cases every game. imo acting transparent and protown is helping the town since it removes you from the pool of potential suspects and that's how VE is helping the town. But enough of that, if you are hellbent on lynching VE that's your business. I've already pointed out why roffles is wrong. | ||
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On December 02 2013 15:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: How is this so hard MZ? Tell me how VE is helping the town. Where is he transparent and contributing to proving his towniness? Can you actually quote some posts of his and tell how they help the town instead of giving a textbook town qualities and say "VE fits into the category of people who do these things"? Did you actually read what I wrote? Everyone acts "townie" slightly differently. In VE's case that is characterized by not very thought out posts, chain of conscious type posts, frustration and aggression when people call him scum, and genuine attempts at analysis. All of which are in this game. I'm not gonna go back and quote his entire post history. Forget for a second that he called you an annoying jerk-off and reread what he's written and tell me where the scum agenda is. | ||
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On December 02 2013 15:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: But there is no analysis. Not a single one. On before D1 i mean. I can't understand how you can possibly have a town read on him based on N0. lol wat? I wasn't going to write an analysis before D1 and I doubt I'm alone. That's just an idiotic standard. You called him out so obviously YOU had enough to go on, I told you that you were wrong based on my observation. The same question can be asked of you. I've responded with why I believe what I do every time you have asked, I think it's time you did some answering yourself. | ||
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Also geript, can I see something substantial on oats other than "dis motherfucker gonna die"? | ||
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On December 02 2013 15:48 Mocsta wrote: HI VISCERA I CAN YELL TOO .... WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF MZ mocsta if you have a problem with me just come out and say it. I fucking hate when people beat around the bush like this. | ||
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This is Sicilian, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884 Here is VE's filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884&user=VisceraEyes I personally had this to say about VE's play in the time leading up to his lynch: On July 18 2013 10:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Both of those are terribad. like very terribad. VE gets lynched for doing dumb shit like this all the time, as for FT I really have no idea what you people think is scummy about him. Try again boo boo. Funnily enough rayn, you were in that game as well. Even funnier, you thought VE was scum for the same reasons you do now. Funniest of all, VE was lynched D1 as town. I think this was the last game I played before this one. I have seen VE do this before. I have been right before. I am not gonna continue this conversation because either you are gonna believe me or you aren't. | ||
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On December 02 2013 16:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think VE is town for his contributions on D1. I think you are scum for calling him town for his contributions from N0 because he was definitely not townie back then. I literally just showed you the game I am basing my read off of. Should I go find more? This isn't the first or second or third time that I've seen this. | ||
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On December 02 2013 16:16 Oatsmaster wrote: MZ, whats your read on Rayn since he is so wrong about VE  I've always thought he was town because of his D0 stuff. That hasn't changed. Someone can be wrong on a read and still be town, wrong =/= scum. | ||
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On December 02 2013 16:19 Mocsta wrote: MZ Are you intentionally ignoring me? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=54#1072 uh no missed that sorry. I really don't know what you're accusing me of. Let's clear this up once and for all: I first provided a green read on VE AFTER rayn asked me. My reasoning was the same then as it was now: I've seen his play and know what it looks like. I came out in defense of him so hard because I know what an easy mislynch he is. He was mislynched in the last game I played and I've mislynched him before. He's an easy target for scum to jump on and I wanted to put a halt to any possible wagon that might start. onto gtrsrs... idk how it's fake, my case is like literally the second one made this game, I have no idea how it's "fake." I pointed out behavior I thought was scummy and how gtrsrs has not been playing with a town mindset. | ||
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On December 02 2013 16:33 Mocsta wrote: OK, I can leave the town VE read alone. I suppose everyone has their own special reads (e.g. Rayn with OdinofPergo). I don't like how you have gone about gtrsrs. My read on him aside (1) You made a case on a guy calling him out for flying under the radar -- yet you noticed him someone has to? I don't see how this is a problem. Are you saying we're both scum and I'm bussing? The point of scum hunting is to search out and find scum. Scum don't just magically lynch themselves, they have to be found first (2) Instead of probing to ascertain his alignment, you lead with a vote. With his amount of content I dont see how anyone could have such a strong read on him. What differentiates him from all the other trolls? a) votes are the best way to gain information b) he's different because he's trying to look like he cares while at the same time trying to hide. c) Besides, it's the beginning of the game so I vote off of the information I have available to me. My vote isn't set in stone, it simply lies where I feel it is most appropriate at the moment (3) You aren't going out of your way to adapt your message to communicate it. i.e. you put out a case and are happy to talk about other issues (in fairness you are being called out) but still. this reads like feigned contribution to me. Somehow VE became a much bigger issue so I've kinda been dealing with that. Also gtrsrs hasn't been back in the thread so there's not much I can do until he responds to what I have to say (4) In Sicilian you were an unpleasant troll -- but town. Why can't gtrsrs fit this mould? lol... was waiting for someone to point out I was an ass in Sicilian... I don't even remember why I trolled Sicilian, the point is I don't think gtrsrs is trolling, he just has anti town objectives. | ||
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On December 02 2013 16:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: MZ let's play a game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766&user=visceraeyes How is this different than this game? I wasn't in this game, what am I looking at here? | ||
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On December 02 2013 16:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: I still fail to see how anything gtrsrs has done serves "anti-town agenda". I don't think he is working with any agenda at all, which points towards town. MZ why are you not calling me scum because i said i will pick a KP-role and shoot Oats until he dies? It was his post about the quality of the thread that really set me off since it was such bullshit and he then proceeded to post more bullshit. Scum love threads where there is a lot of bullshit and that's what he was contributing to. As to your second point, I have a town read on you, I haven't paid too much attention to oats but if you have kp and decide to shoot him I'd appreciate we discuss it first. Actually I have no idea what your second point is about. If you're asking me as to why I don't have a meta read on you it's because I haven't played with you as much/I don't remember you very much from previous games. | ||
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On December 02 2013 16:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's basically my point. I do not think VE did anything alignment indicative on D0, just trolled around. I was trying to provoke him into doing stuff by calling him scum and initially voting for him when D1 started. After that i got the reaction i looked from town!VE. Right after i voted for VE (all the info there was was from D0) MZ chimed in and said "you are dead wrong on VE". If that is not a town read idk what to say. My point is it's impossible to have a town read on VE based on his posting from D0 unless you know his alignment. Ok let me address this since I feel like it's causing the biggest issue right now. Give me a second because it's going to take a couple of filters to describe what I see (it would be so much easier if you could just accept that VE is someone I can read, especially since you agree with me now BECAUSE I yelled at you long enough -_-). | ||
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So I have a pretty lengthy history with mislynching VE. As a result I believe I am very good at reading him and am willing to make strong reads based off what I see Let’s go over VE this game. In the first 5 hours he makes 15 posts. They are one liners which don’t do much but let you know he’s following the game and thinking about it. By comparison, it takes VE 3 days to reach 15 posts in the game rayn linked. In the first 5 hours VE makes exactly 1 post. They have the same tone but they lack the same carefree nature that VE’s posts when he’s town have. These 15 posts constitute my early game read on VE and it only got stronger from there. K can we get off my dick now? This shit is a little old especially since we all agree I am right. | ||
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On December 02 2013 17:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: My point is this. You are calling gtrsrs scum because he is working with scum-agenda. I assume this is because he got a vanilla role and posted about voting for anyone who picked "his role". What's the difference between that and my posts like this: + Show Spoiler + On November 30 2013 20:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Of course i can. Read again. I am tired of arguing with you already because you are not making any sense. On November 30 2013 21:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: I'm picking a KP role and policy shooting Oats until he dies. Locked. On November 30 2013 21:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do i look like i care? On November 30 2013 21:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well i don't wanna play in a game where people say making bad posts is a town-tell for anyone and where people say i can't have a scumread on someone based on that they are incapable of posting 10 times / phase as scum. I honestly don't give a fuck if you lynch me. I couldn't care less because lately TL town have been absolutely crap. Me + Risen should get top 2 spots and then we just shoot stupidity. That's the best plan. On November 30 2013 21:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't even care if Oats is scum or town, he can't possibly have good reads if his reasoning for his reads is what it seems like.. Because both can be labeled as frustration or "shitting up the thread" based on which side you look at it from. If you are looking at gtrsrs' posts from "shitting up the thread" point of view why the hell do you have a townread on me? uh you care about the game and it shows? You're trying? Your posts serve a goal of finding scum? I mean everyone has "off" posts from time to time and everyone gets frustrated but you are clearly working for towards a protown objective. I don't think the same can be said for gtrsrs. | ||
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On December 02 2013 16:51 Mocsta wrote: I am pointing out the irony of your case. If he is fulfilling a scum objective to blend in, he would not have stood out to you.sigh, so in order to be working towards the scum objective of not getting caught you have to actually not get caught? This literally makes no sense, that implies that if a scum is caught they aren't scum because they got caught. Do you understand how dumb that sounds? So are you voting him for information, or because you think he is scum? Like, in your case you originally point out LSB. Why not probe LSB further instead of going for the easy path forward with gtrsrs? Because I think he's scum. But if someone comes along who I consider a better candidate I'll vote them. Why do you have a problem with me voting? He's in no danger of dying at the moment. As for LSB, that's a gut feeling and I need to see him post more (as I said) before I can draw anything from it This is acceptable. good -_- And what again is his specific objective that he is pushing? As far as I could see , he is self-centered. Which yes could be scum.. but as has been proved by game after game of forum mafia, could also be town. I cant follow how you jump to this conclusion. He is shitting up the thread and trying not to look like he's doing so. That's scummy jesus christ calm down, I missed it again. As you recognized I am currently dealing with other people. | ||
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On December 02 2013 17:33 Mocsta wrote: Points 1-3 are accepted. Point 4 -- I dont follow this conclusion. What has he done to shit the thread; even you acknowledge his post content is low. Further, he seems to be keeping everything within his own microcosm. Vote remains. I already pointed this out, I'll quote it again: On December 02 2013 02:18 gtrsrs wrote: is there any way we can cut these posts out? not really adding much to the game. makes me lose focus when trying to catch up. did i read the page where X lol'd at Y? did i read the page where Y lol'd back at X? it's a huge turnoff and i don't want to say it looks scummy but it makes me want to vote for people spamming this shit just so we don't have to read it all game He then followed this with a few spam posts. And even by staying in his own microcosm as you call it is shitting up the thread because he's making worthless filler posts. But like you said, I admit that there isn't a lot of content to go off of. As I have said many times, my case is based off of what I have to work with in the thread and I currently see him as the worst offender (although I like bum's case on jcarl, I'm too tired to fully pick it apart atm). I voted him because I vote for who I think is scummiest, at this point we're just at an impasse because you don't think there's enough evidence and I think there is. So why don't you let me vote him and you can vote me. I'm tired and I'm done with this idiotic mary-go-round. Before asking me another question just check my filter and see if I haven't already explained it at some point. | ||
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Still don't like LSB but again, he's a story for another day. Still don't like geript, I will probably try and flesh out my thoughts on him since he's been a pretty hot topic. Also really don't like kush/koshi/kurumi Kush's entrance and subsequent actions have struck me as very strange, idk wtf kurumi is doing, and koshi is being incredibly uncooperative and honestly is reminding me of when I was scum first pick in a PYP game and had to deal with people constantly trying to make me act town. idk if these three are scum, however their behavior is certainly cause for question in my eyes. I had a lot to read so I could have missed significant things, if there's anything people want me to address I'm all ears, I'll just be here looking over geript and waiting for gtrsrs to get his ass back to the thread. | ||
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