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Of course not to your last question.
What I'm saying is that warwick offers such a random attempt at something. With the bans how does ww benefit the scum anymore than other champions that deal guaranteed damage.
Your argument is preventing scum from getting champs you think are strong for them.
Look at Ziggs/twitch/eve for guaranteed damage. Then there are defensive champs for scum who already know their teammates. Warwick and trynd are just garbage imo.
Do you really expect to have scum line up for trynd in a position where we know who they are? It seems like a ridiculous pick to me.
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Soniv's just mad someone else wants Viktor for once.
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Oh yeah, I had 14/11.
If we set out concrete picks too far down the line then scum have an opportunity to ensure strong players roll vt. There are a select number of champs who will be beneficial if everyone knows who has them. Beyond that, claiming your role leaves you vulnerable. Is giving town more information worth the risk of scum having that same information? I don't think so in most cases.
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Okay, I was out all day yesterday. Two hours later I've finally caught up in the thread.
gtrs - I dont like how his filter reads but he hasn't really given us much to lynch him either. I know he's capable of playing better as town so either he's busy, lazy or scum. None of these qualities help us win the game.
Soniv - fine for now. Looks to be making an effort to push the game towards a goal.
kushmasta - Like really? This guy comes into the thread and starts calling people scum in one liners and generally shitting the place up. He replaced OWB who completely shut down and hated playing scum in NMM L. The random tooscummytobescum post irritates me as well.
The rest have longer filters and I need to evaluate them. Just reading through the last 20 pages hasn't left me with other strong feelings yet.
I'll be checking filters and around for a while.
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Soniv is questioning people and basically shrugging off the accusations. He's not acting nervous in the least to me.
I'll check which posts those are ve.
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You guys both basically said what I said. He's not helping the town even if he is town. I read through his other games in which he's very active. There's likely a chance he either is scum or didn't get his role and as such won't give a shit.
I think we've said enough about him for now. There's just not a lot to go on unless he brings a defense forward. I want to see him pointing us in a stronger direction.
Kushmasta seems much scummier to me.
On December 03 2013 01:25 kushm4sta wrote:
@ve it's more of a townie antitowniness. Town are more likely to act blatantly antitown than scum. Obviously there are exceptions for certain players.
I completely disagree with his post here.
On December 03 2013 01:26 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 01:23 Kurumi wrote:On December 03 2013 01:19 kushm4sta wrote:On December 03 2013 01:17 Kurumi wrote:On December 03 2013 01:16 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Kurumi - out of curiosity - why did you link your own filter to kush to look at? Probably to prove a point my mind tried to show me - kushm4sta does not care at all what he is going to read. huh what do you mean by this? you mean im scum or lazy? Lazy scum. gl with that opinion. im voting you now.
And what's the point of posting this shit? I don't like this vibe at all. He's saying scum won't act scummy while he's acting scummiest of all.
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Did you read the filters from his last games? He actually participates, reads the thread and tries to hunt scum. He's agro and pushing an agenda.
If he doesn't contribute I have no problem policy lynching him as a last resort. Until that happens I'd rather focus on people we can read since they're actually playing the game.
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Kush there's not much to go on for gtr. I can't read if he's scum or not from the little he's given us.
You dropped into the thread, call soniv and gtr town. Fine, I don't disagree. You call yourself scum, two posts later say you people that act anti-town must be town then shit post for another page of one liners. You're distracting conversation and not trying to move it forward after your initial post on Kurumi.
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My final point on gtr is this.
He's not helping town in any fashion right now. There's still nearly 30 hours till end of day so let's give it some time. I'll go read kurumi's filter Kush and see what I can find.
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On December 03 2013 06:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
MY problem with him isn't activity. He's certainly not being active, but that's not why I dislike him. I didn't like the post where he called out one-liner posts. Like, when a townie does that they're usually like, trying to read the thread and stuff. But when gtsrs did it he had nothing more to add - he had no reads to speak of and asked no questions of the people who were active. I wasn't convinced after reading that post that gtsrs was reading the thread at all - just bitching about people posting.
I agree VE. Does that make him scum and not just lazy town?
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Kush I like you just fine as a person I'm certain. I don't like you reacting to being called scum with a "im voting you!" It's an odd reaction to me. Childish or trolling I don't know. I think OWB rolled scum and quit. Straight up. Your play isn't convincing me otherwise.
I agree with you that Kurumi's trying to lead the town while not actually saying anything outside of game policy and how we should be playing. There's not a lot of substance aside from when he's asked directly or arguing with you. Maybe you two have some problem I wasn't aware of before this game.
Sandroba I'll do it next.
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Rean - Votes yorick, claims vt and roleplays liftlift. Could be scum lurking.
Austin talks about champ abilities and not wanting town to role claim. I'm not certain role claiming is the best policy either. Maybe I'm missing something but these two are lurking harder than gtrs.
Mocsta is making a lot of excuses. Busy, in mylo etc... I generally agree with Roffles and Mocsta about gtrs.
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2013 15:08 Roffles wrote:
I think gtrsrs just doesn't give a fuck anymore because he didn't get his champ of choice and is stuck as a vanilla townie.
To me it all makes sense cause I know he probably just picked a champ he likes playing in the actual game (Khazix) and seemed cool in terms of skills here (he announced he was doing this too), but wasn't able to grab him and now just starts screwing around cause he's got nothing better to do.
MZ wants gtrs lynched and then spends the rest of his posts defending himself. If this is a popular sentiment and he was a proponent of it early why is he getting so much flak? Are mocsta and MZ arguing for some personal reasons?
Why did you want me to read these filters. The first two say nothing and the second two are just arguing. Rayn thinks MZ's contradicting himself but the first couple days I thought Rayn posted okay for the most part. I'm more confused about them at this point than anything.
tldr Rean and Austin are useless right now because they're doing nothing. Mocsta's making excuses without them being asked. Could be scummy. MZ's spending all his time on defense. This is the opposite of how soniv approached aggression directed his way. That's why I liked soniv for town earlier.
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Yeah, that's why I asked why those particular filters. I can read nothing from the first two. They're lurkers. They said nothing that indicates they're not scum. I don't like the idea of policy lynching when there's a better option.
The second two I have no what they're arguing about in the first place. Unless I missed something I just assume it's some personal vendetta. A lot of you know each other from previous games and I assume I'm out of the loop on something.
I'm going to go through the rest of the filters to establish my footing better in this game.
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Marvel if you actually read the games you linked then you'll see I say the exact same thing. What do we gain from lynching a lurker? There's a chance they're scum but if they're not we waste an entire day. A game with ten newbs is a far cry from a 30 player game moving at breakneck pace.
I'd just caught up on the thread when sandro asked about those four filters. I read them and still think he linked me four of the most useless filters possible. Two are lurking and two were arguing about nothing. What the fuck am I supposed to glean from those filters. It felt like an honest waste of time even reading them. I'm done defending that post. Fine it's bad analysis or none if you prefer, but there was nothing to learn from those filters.
Kush is still doing nothing in this game. He enters the game, tosses some shit in Kurimi's direction then proceeds to call two people town who are under suspicion with no reasoning aside from tooscummytobescum. Then he gets pissy says im voting you and switches to me at the first chance? What are you motivations here? Do you have a plan or are you just flinging dirt everywhere until it sticks. Do you care who gets lynched?
Jay's filter looks scummy as well. He's active while geript is on his ass then makes a case out of nothing on Marv. It's ballsy but since he's failed to contribute since that idea was shot down I don't know what to think.
And I never +1'd anyone. If anything I said the opposite of common feeling at the time. There are five pages focused on lynching lurkers then sandro asks my opinions on more lurkers. I said Soniv is trying to help the town when he had votes and people still discussing it. +1 nothing.
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On December 03 2013 11:14 geript wrote:
I'm really confused by all these guys who think I might be scum. There's like 110% town flip for me based on my play alone. I really don't get it.
Isn't every read based on play? Why do you think your play is so transparent? You've been jumping on people all game in a seemingly random fashion. You distract more than contribute.
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On December 03 2013 11:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So you are still saying you wanna read other people than lurkers and proceed to talk only about lurkers..
Because I was asked by sandro about the lurking players. Is it that hard to grasp? I was frustrated by the filters he wanted me to read.
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Bum I get your point that improved played doesn't mean not scum. I'm just not feeling the scumminess. I read through your original post again and yes you do make some good points. Do they scream scum? That's a stretch.
LSB's incessant spamming of the claim now plus the list concerns me more. Moving up the slightly to prove you're tryndamere might be helpful but dealing damage to everyone along the way? I don't buy it man. If you think Bum's scum try and get him lynched instead of damaging half the town on your way up.
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To get to bum is half the town.
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So, I know this was a couple pages ago but this is the draft order no?
+ Show Spoiler +On December 01 2013 12:02 Mid or Feed wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/glh5V6v.jpg?2) WaveofShadow, the caster for the event broadcasts to the crowd: ”The bans are in! For SK Telecom T1:
Ashe
Caitlyn
QuinnLooks like the Koreans are really fearing that female AD carry presence! For The Challengers:
Yorick
Urgot
GravesMore AD carry bans---will there even BE a bottom lane in this game?! Now that the bans and pick order have been determined, the Champion picks can begin and the game can get underway!!” Draft Order:
Koshi
Kurumi
VisceraEyes
jcarlsoniv
Mig
JonnyLaw
Risen
StorrZerg
geript
austinmcc
Meapak_Ziphh
Sandroba
Kenpachi
Rean
bumatlarge
BloddyC0bbler
justanothertownie
marvellosity
gtrsrs
OdinOfPergo
Mocsta
supersoft
Oatsmaster
raynpelikoneet
onlywonderboy
ticklishmusic
Roffles
Bill Murray
jaybrundage
nyxnyxnyx
The Pick Phase will now begin. All players must submit a single Champion of their choice to be picked. Send your pick to Mid or Feed by . Once the phase ends, Day 1 will begin. If you fail to submit a Champion choice by the deadline, you will receive one of three possible Vanilla roles at random. If the Champion you have chosen has already been picked or banned, you will also receive a Vanilla role.
Good luck, Summoners!
LSB replaces nyx. He's halfway across the board. Am I missing something on this point?
I think Kush is scummy still regardless of meta. If a player is known for playing badly and plays badly push them for more if they're town. If not, push them get a scum read. Why are you guys so comfortable letting him sit around flinging dirt on everyone then bandwagoning whatever is convenient?
Rayn am I missing something on that list or is LSB halfway across the list from bum? Is this the wrong list?
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Risen why do you go back on what you felt earlier?
+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2013 05:23 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 03:53 LSB wrote:
Why we need you to roleclaim
We need you to roleclaim in order to lock down who has what roles so that they are not misused. Ultimately as the game goes on, roles will be revealed by the process of elimination, however we need to lock down what roles do what early so they cannot be misused.
I applaud Kurumi for roleclaiming so early due to the importance of his role. However there are many other roles that we need to find out because they are so dangerous. A lot of these roles can wreak a ton of havoc should they be allowed free reign for a few nights, and even possibly wreak havoc on the nights after.
I want to remind you all in a mass power role game the mafia has an advantage in that they can easily coordinate their actions as well as keep track of everyone else’s actions. That’s why I feel it is important for someone (ie me) to keep track of all claims as I’m sure the mafia is doing that too, and find out roles to break the mafia advantage in being able to coordinate their actions easily.
I am not currently going to the extreme that we will need to dictate your actions at night. Right now it is very important to figure out what we are working with. If you take 300 damage at night, we need to know how it was caused, rather than stare helplessly as we all die.
SNIP 1) So they are not misused? They will be misused if scum knows what we're doing and knows where we're aiming things. Revealed by process of elimination? How? Not every role got picked, some people got VT from choosing something other people chose. 2) Why is this good again? This whole statement is so condescending and self-centered. Reads as you don't want everyone's input on role actions, you just want to know where the things are being aimed. 3) Except mafia can also help direct claimed town so... 4) Right now? But you reserve the right to later. Got it.
Okay so you don't like LSB's ideas. Fine. A few people in the thread do not agree with him. You even make a couple more posts arguing against mass claims.
+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2013 07:17 Risen wrote:
I'm down to lynch LSB. Only thing that makes me hesitate is that's a nice amount of effort he has put in compared to others (myself included).
##vote: LSB
Then you want him lynched. Fair enough.
+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2013 10:32 Risen wrote:
That's a pretty solid contradiction. Not even nit picky, it's literally saying one thing, saying you'll be doing that thing, and then doing another thing. More solid than anything I have on LBS
##unvote
##vote: JonnyLaw
Then you flip flop as soon as it's convenient. How in the hell do you say that I contradict myself when I said I want to hunt scum who have longer filters? I said that when gtrs was the main lynch candidate and Sandroba asked for my read.
+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2013 10:35 Risen wrote:
I've been convinced to claim. Not having access to much of what each role can do limits the value of everyone claiming, but I hadn't considered the value of trackers when thinking about what mafia could do as far as doctor/roleblock.
I am Karma, the Enlightened One! OdinOfPergo you have no one to blame but yourself for not picking someone different. I told you not to pick her.
Then you go from wanted LSB lynched to agreeing to his tactic. Most of your content has been posted about why LSB is wrong.
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