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On December 12 2013 19:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 19:55 Koshi wrote:
supersoft filter is clean enough for me, there is a shitton of talk in which he cosntantly talks about what is happening in the thread at that point. If that's your reasoning for townreading someone i would like you to elaborate on your town read on Onegu, because he NEVER talks about ANYTHING that's currently going on in thread.
The only reason I got him as town is because he made a really good case that EVERYBODY ignored and because I don't think scum Onegu would make it. I felt a drive when I read the case, so I am sure that Onegu felt a bigger drive (aka tunnel) when he wrote it.
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Sandroba talking so much about SK... Looks like VA from Sicilian.
Also, if there is an SK, be a cool SK like myself and shoot scum in the future.
Thx.
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On December 12 2013 20:10 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 20:07 Koshi wrote:
Sandroba talking so much about SK... Looks like VA from Sicilian.
Also, if there is an SK, be a cool SK like myself and shoot scum in the future.
Thx. koshi what are your thoughts on a roffles lynch?
I have read his latest post. I also had a wtf-moment on his "scumslip".
I don't know. I do know I am going to vote you.
The second one shouldn't be your biggest scumread or it will make me look bad. We don't want that now do we?
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On December 12 2013 20:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:So let's look at the case: Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 13:27 Onegu wrote:On December 06 2013 12:29 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Also, here you guys go, my response to Onegu's case.
#1) Who other than basically solely Rayn scum hunted Day 0? This statement is calling me scum for doing the same thing 30/31 players are doing. Do you honestly me expect me to be able to find scum based on 90% of the post during this phase concerning someone specific knowledge on Lol?
#2) Your first quote about my LSB vote.
Mmk, and if you read my meta... out of every single mafia game I've been in, regardless of alignment, I'm hard pressed for time. How does this make me scum?
#3) You skip the rest of my post here. The fact I don't hard push for a different read I acknowledge as being questionable. I also gave a reason in the thread to as why I wasn't doing it. Yes, per Bum's filter I found him as possible scum. I mention that as I had re-read it I was skeptical that he was confirmed scum. So what's wrong with me putting my vote on the only counter wagon that I could get behind at the time? Also was it not obvious that Bum (With like 12-13 votes and LSB, the runner up, was not gaining anyvotes per Sandro's arguement) was going to indeed go through D1? Read my filter. You obviously glanced over it, why are you omitting so much?
#4) How was my Kush case bad? Do people honestly believe that? I thought my train of thought was pretty obvious. The only reason I gave it up without a hard push was because my town reads at the time told me to drop it. The main reasoning for dropping it was meta related iirc. What is wrong with me trying to get Kush games to meta read off of? I mention I didn't have time THAT NIGHT to read them. .. . ... Re previous comment that is in this post.
Your extra observations.
#1) I didn't want to ban talon.
K, so you're saying every game that has a scum God-father in it is a insta town loss? I don't believe you at all. I banned my priority bans. Talon wasn't one of them. So what?
#2) What's wrong with me adjusting my stance when I think about something? What's wrong with me changing my read on the subject per more than 3/4'th of the thread hasn't actually gone into this plan yet. I say exactly what I meant there. I'm not disagreeing with the plan, just saying unless people get onboard the only thing it is accomplishing is outing roles for mafia to target. This makes me scum.... how?
You're next post after that is verifying my point I just made. These post are a train of thought but you're trying to break them up. I don't understand why you are doing it. The fact I was just shooting my thoughts into the thread when they popped into my mind, and you are trying to twist it into a scum read is mind boggling.
Your last quote against me.
I'm scum for posting a update on my feelings on a player at the time makes me scum?
Over-all you're entire case I feel is a bunch of WIFOM and just trying to frame me to look bad.
Point one wasnt that big of a deal, yes most people didnt scum hunt. But up until your vote on kush all of your reads are very wishy washy with no firm stances. 2. Ok you are hard pressed for time, but the fact is you made a case on LSB where you said you could write much more. But until the rime you unvoted you didnt mention LSB except when it related to roffles interaction with him and only in passing. Never pushed a LSB lynch to the thread. And then you jump off of him because his wagon wasnt going to go through. 3. Please quote what I omitted, I quoted everything relevant to LSB and BUM from the point you put your vote on jay to the lynch. I didmt leave anything out and you saying I did is completely false. 4. One you made a case that points to lazy not scum. And its the fact again that you never followed up. You completely drop it, when you later mention your scum reads kush isnt one of them. 5. The talon thing obviously wasnt a big deal. It was the fact that you thought godfathers are found out anyway as your basis for not banning him. And how do you get me saying whenever scum gets a godfather town auto lose. In no way did I say that, you said they are always found and thats why we shouldnt ban talon. Im saying sometimes they are found sometimes they arent, so not banning him bassed on that is wierd. 6. ok this point I misread a bit. I drop this part. I thought you didnt want to do it at all when before you did wamt to do it. My bad. This and only this point conceded. 7. My point is you never have stong feelings on anyone at that point, and you vote someone you dont have strong feelings for. I dont understand how you think its all wifom and I am trying to frame you. Or how you say I omitted things, I didnt and welcome you to quote what you think I did. I don't even look at the case because the answer and the answer to it is far more alignment indicative from both parties: 2 & 4: Lazy, not scum, as Onegu himself says in (4). Actually points (2) and (4)directly contradict each other. 3: misrepresentation 5: not a big deal, Onegu says this does not make Odin scum 6: retracts from this one 7: see (2) and (4). Did Onegu ever try to push a lynch on Odin? Does Onegu seem like he has "strong feelings" on anyone? So my question is, how is the case good again?
It is quite clear that you didn't read the case.
Onegu calls out Odin on point 2 & 4 for making a case on Kush that proves Kush is lazy but not necessairly scum.
But that is not my point. My point is that scum Onegu is more likely to buss teammates with a good but not too good case. Scum Onegu is unlikely to make a pretty awesome case on Odin who turns out to be town.
Could you just read the case entirely please? Tell me that comes from scum Onegu.
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I am looking at the votes and it is certain that MZ is scum based on the votes. Let me make it clear.
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But I need to help some collegues first.
It comes down that Coag puts roffles in the lead here:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 07 2013 07:17 Mid or Feed wrote:Vote count:supersoft (1): VisceraEyes, jaybrundage Rean (0): raynpelikoneetJonnyLaw (0): Mocsta, geriptaustinmcc (5): Rean, sandroba, Mocsta, raynpelikoneet, justanothertownie, Oatsmaster, VisceraEyes, kushm4sta, sandroba, Meapak_Zipph OdinOfPergo (1): Onegu Koshi (0): Chezinukushm4sta (1): LSB, sandrobaticklishmusic (0): ticklishmusicjcarlsoniv (3): Risen, gtrsrs, kushm4sta, ticklishmusic Chezinu (0): ticklishmusicMeapak_Zipph (5): austinmcc, Mocsta, geript, Mig, Koshi Roffles (6): Oatsmaster, Roffles, supersoft, kushm4sta, jcarlsoniv, Coagulation Risen (0): KoshiVisceraEyes (0): jcarlsonivMig (1): Chezinu LSB (1): JonnyLaw Modkill zone (3): mkfuba07, OdinOfPergo, justanothertownie Roffles is currently set to be lynched.
Voting thread is here. Please make sure all of your votes go in there, they don't count otherwise. Voting is mandatory.
I missed JonnyLaw's vote on LSB earlier, I've updated all the vc's in this thread accordingly, and the latest (the one mirroring this one) in the regular thread)
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And then Coag making it close again here:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 07 2013 10:09 Mid or Feed wrote:Vote count:supersoft (1): VisceraEyes, jaybrundage Rean (0): raynpelikoneetJonnyLaw (0): Mocsta, geriptaustinmcc (5): Rean, sandroba, Mocsta, raynpelikoneet, justanothertownie, Oatsmaster, VisceraEyes, kushm4sta, sandroba, Meapak_Zipph OdinOfPergo (1): Onegu Koshi (0): Chezinukushm4sta (0): LSB, sandrobaticklishmusic (0): ticklishmusicjcarlsoniv (3): Risen, gtrsrs, kushm4sta, ticklishmusic Chezinu (0): ticklishmusicMeapak_Zipph (7): austinmcc, Mocsta, geript, Mig, Koshi, kushm4sta, Chezinu Roffles (6): Oatsmaster, Roffles, supersoft, kushm4sta, jcarlsoniv, Coagulation, LSB, JonnyLaw Risen (0): KoshiVisceraEyes (0): jcarlsonivMig (0): ChezinuLSB (0): JonnyLawModkill zone (4): mkfuba07, OdinOfPergo, justanothertownie, supersoft Meapak_Ziphh is currently set to be lynched.
Voting thread is here. Please make sure all of your votes go in there, they don't count otherwise. Voting is mandatory.
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But for some reason they don't swap when it is clear that roffles is not getting lynched:
On December 07 2013 12:01 Mid or Feed wrote:Vote count:supersoft (0): VisceraEyes, jaybrundageRean (0): raynpelikoneetJonnyLaw (0): Mocsta, geriptaustinmcc (9): Rean, sandroba, Mocsta, raynpelikoneet, justanothertownie, Oatsmaster, VisceraEyes, kushm4sta, sandroba, Meapak_Zipph, jaybrundage, mkfuba07, Risen, geript OdinOfPergo (1): Onegu Koshi (0): Chezinukushm4sta (0): LSB, sandrobaticklishmusic (0): ticklishmusicjcarlsoniv (2): Risen, gtrsrs, kushm4sta, ticklishmusic Chezinu (0): ticklishmusicMeapak_Zipph (8): austinmcc, Mocsta, geript, Mig, Koshi, kushm4sta, Chezinu, supersoft, justanothertownie Roffles (6): Oatsmaster, Roffles, supersoft, kushm4sta, jcarlsoniv, Coagulation, LSB, JonnyLaw Risen (0): KoshiVisceraEyes (0): jcarlsonivMig (0): ChezinuLSB (0): JonnyLawModkill zone (1): OdinOfPergo, austinmcc is lynched.
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Damned.
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So it is kinda really strange that both Coag and JL don't swap to austin tbh. I am sad.
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Look at those 6 votes on Roffles btw:
Oatsmaster, Roffles, jcarlsoniv, Coagulation, LSB, JonnyLaw
I can't believe that there are 4 scums out of 6 there. Would be crazy.
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On December 12 2013 20:34 justanothertownie wrote:
Why would they swap Koshi?
To save MZ? MZ was lynched if geript didn't vote last second.
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rayn, I can't help but feel that you have been defending MZ this entire game. Why exactly?
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Hmm. My case was actually pretty ok. You can say w.e you want but it is pretty good. But it stand or falls with the fact that MZ could be delusional. Which is ofcourse possible.
Is MZ delusional. hmmm.
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Could you give me 5 100% townreads Kush? I know you are good at that.
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On December 12 2013 21:54 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 21:43 Koshi wrote:
Could you give me 5 100% townreads Kush? I know you are good at that. im so fucking glad you asked me that. onlywonderboy kushm4sta Roffles Risen raynpelikoneet Mig Oatsmaster supersoft Koshi justanothertownie sandroba all of these poeples ar etowns
Yes, I could see this being true. I can trust both you and rayn on Risen I guess. I don't know how you read Roffles but sure why not. You and rayn are pushing same targets then.
Ok cool. This game is becoming clear. Not for me because I can only see MZ before my eyes but reading your list confirms a lot of towns in my mind.
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On December 12 2013 22:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
Koshi, what does your invention do?
Double lynch. You can vote twice and top 2 dies. How do you miss things like this...
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This is not even close to helpful:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2013 19:12 Kurumi wrote:
Koshi [2][1] Viktor
Kurumi [4][6] Big Bad Wolf
VisceraEyes [5][4] Lux
jcarlsoniv [9][3]
Mig [12][1] Urgot?
JonnyLaw [14[11]
Risen [15][15]
StorrZerg [23][23]
geript [24][24] Warwick? -> VT?
austinmcc [6][3]
Meapak_Ziphh [6][14]
Sandroba Fiora?
Kenpachi[8][15] VT?
Rean [16][2] ?->VT
bumatlarge [16][12] Tryndamere?
BloddyC0bbler [17][5] Janna?
justanothertownie
marvellosity[7][2]
gtrsrs [7][11] Kha'Zix -> VT
OdinOfPergo [7][16] Karma -> VT
Mocsta [1][5] ? ->VT
supersoft [1][30]
Oatsmaster [1][1] Cho'Gath ->VT
raynpelikoneet [1][1] Shen
Last because no numbers sent?
kushm4sta
ticklishmusic Taric
Roffles
Coagulation
jaybrundage [Tabbz] Ezreal?
LSB -> Tryndamere
On December 04 2013 11:38 Mid or Feed wrote:Vote count:VisceraEyes (0): raynpelikoneetgeript (2): Oatsmaster, jcarlsoniv, KenpachiMeapak_Zipph (0): Mocstajcarlsoniv (0): bumatlarge, raynpelikoneet, sandroba, geriptgtrsrs (1): Kurumi, VisceraEyesKurumi (0): Koshi, kushm4stabumatlarge (16): LSB, sandroba, marvellosity, Mig, geript, ticklishmusic, raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Onegu, Coagulation, VisceraEyes, JonnyLaw, Roffles, jaybrundage, supersoft, Rean, justanothertownie, Roffles kushm4sta (0): OdinOfPergoLSB (4): Risen, OdinOfPergo, Oatsmaster, Meapak_Zipph, bumatlarge, gtrsrs Mocsta (0): LSBJonnyLaw (1): kushm4sta, Risen, Mocsta, gtrsrs, sandrobaOatsmaster (0): geriptticklishmusic (0): raynpelikoneetjaybrundage (4): kushm4sta, geript, Mocsta, OdinOfPergoRean (1): austinmcc Modkill zone (1): StorrZerg bumatlarge is currently set to be lynched.
Voting thread is here. Please make sure all of your votes go in there, they don't count otherwise. Voting is mandatory.
Day 1 ends in On December 07 2013 12:01 Mid or Feed wrote:Vote count:supersoft (0): VisceraEyes, jaybrundageRean (0): raynpelikoneetJonnyLaw (0): Mocsta, geriptaustinmcc (9): Rean, sandroba, Mocsta, raynpelikoneet, justanothertownie, Oatsmaster, VisceraEyes, kushm4sta, sandroba, Meapak_Zipph, jaybrundage, mkfuba07, Risen, geriptOdinOfPergo (1): Onegu Koshi (0): Chezinukushm4sta (0): LSB, sandrobaticklishmusic (0): ticklishmusicjcarlsoniv (2): Risen, gtrsrs, kushm4sta, ticklishmusicChezinu (0): ticklishmusicMeapak_Zipph (8): austinmcc, Mocsta, geript, Mig, Koshi, kushm4sta, Chezinu, supersoft, justanothertownie Roffles (6): Oatsmaster, Roffles, supersoft, kushm4sta, jcarlsoniv, Coagulation, LSB, JonnyLawRisen (0): KoshiVisceraEyes (0): jcarlsonivMig (0): ChezinuLSB (0): JonnyLawModkill zone (1): OdinOfPergo, austinmcc is lynched.
Voting thread is here. Please make sure all of your votes go in there, they don't count otherwise. Voting is mandatory.
Day 2 ends in On December 10 2013 10:55 Mid or Feed wrote:Vote count:Meapak_Zipph (1): Koshi, LSBCoagulation (19): Onegu, raynpelikoneet, sandroba, jaybrundage, LSB, Mocsta, supersoft, VisceraEyes, Oatsmaster, Rean, Mig, jcarlsoniv, ticklishmusic, kushm4sta, justanothertownie, Risen, gtrsrs, JonnyLaw, mkfuba07, Meapak_Zipph, Roffles kushm4sta (1): Mocsta, LSB Koshi (2): jcarlsoniv, raynpelikoneet, kushm4sta, raynpelikoneet, Coagulationjaybrundage (0): ticklishmusicsupersoft (0): raynpelikoneetModkill zone (0): Coagulation is set to be lynched.
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On December 12 2013 23:28 Koshi wrote:This is not even close to helpful: + Show Spoiler +On December 02 2013 19:12 Kurumi wrote:
Koshi [2][1] Viktor
Kurumi [4][6] Big Bad Wolf
VisceraEyes [5][4] Lux
jcarlsoniv [9][3]
Mig [12][1] Urgot?
JonnyLaw [14[11]
Risen [15][15]
StorrZerg [23][23]
geript [24][24] Warwick? -> VT?
austinmcc [6][3]
Meapak_Ziphh [6][14]
Sandroba Fiora?
Kenpachi[8][15] VT?
Rean [16][2] ?->VT
bumatlarge [16][12] Tryndamere?
BloddyC0bbler [17][5] Janna?
justanothertownie
marvellosity[7][2]
gtrsrs [7][11] Kha'Zix -> VT
OdinOfPergo [7][16] Karma -> VT
Mocsta [1][5] ? ->VT
supersoft [1][30]
Oatsmaster [1][1] Cho'Gath ->VT
raynpelikoneet [1][1] Shen
Last because no numbers sent?
kushm4sta
ticklishmusic Taric
Roffles
Coagulation
jaybrundage [Tabbz] Ezreal?
LSB -> Tryndamere
On December 04 2013 11:38 Mid or Feed wrote:Vote count:VisceraEyes (0): raynpelikoneetgeript (2): Oatsmaster, jcarlsoniv, KenpachiMeapak_Zipph (0): Mocstajcarlsoniv (0): bumatlarge, raynpelikoneet, sandroba, geriptgtrsrs (1): Kurumi, VisceraEyesKurumi (0): Koshi, kushm4stabumatlarge (16): LSB, sandroba, marvellosity, Mig, geript, ticklishmusic, raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Onegu, Coagulation, VisceraEyes, JonnyLaw, Roffles, jaybrundage, supersoft, Rean, justanothertownie, Roffles kushm4sta (0): OdinOfPergoLSB (4): Risen, OdinOfPergo, Oatsmaster, Meapak_Zipph, bumatlarge, gtrsrs Mocsta (0): LSBJonnyLaw (1): kushm4sta, Risen, Mocsta, gtrsrs, sandrobaOatsmaster (0): geriptticklishmusic (0): raynpelikoneetjaybrundage (4): kushm4sta, geript, Mocsta, OdinOfPergoRean (1): austinmcc Modkill zone (1): StorrZerg bumatlarge is currently set to be lynched.
Voting thread is here. Please make sure all of your votes go in there, they don't count otherwise. Voting is mandatory.
Day 1 ends in On December 07 2013 12:01 Mid or Feed wrote:Vote count:supersoft (0): VisceraEyes, jaybrundageRean (0): raynpelikoneetJonnyLaw (0): Mocsta, geriptaustinmcc (9): Rean, sandroba, Mocsta, raynpelikoneet, justanothertownie, Oatsmaster, VisceraEyes, kushm4sta, sandroba, Meapak_Zipph, jaybrundage, mkfuba07, Risen, geriptOdinOfPergo (1): Onegu Koshi (0): Chezinukushm4sta (0): LSB, sandrobaticklishmusic (0): ticklishmusicjcarlsoniv (2): Risen, gtrsrs, kushm4sta, ticklishmusicChezinu (0): ticklishmusicMeapak_Zipph (8): austinmcc, Mocsta, geript, Mig, Koshi, kushm4sta, Chezinu, supersoft, justanothertownie Roffles (6): Oatsmaster, Roffles, supersoft, kushm4sta, jcarlsoniv, Coagulation, LSB, JonnyLawRisen (0): KoshiVisceraEyes (0): jcarlsonivMig (0): ChezinuLSB (0): JonnyLawModkill zone (1): OdinOfPergo, austinmcc is lynched.
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Day 2 ends in On December 10 2013 10:55 Mid or Feed wrote:Vote count:Meapak_Zipph (1): Koshi, LSBCoagulation (19): Onegu, raynpelikoneet, sandroba, jaybrundage, LSB, Mocsta, supersoft, VisceraEyes, Oatsmaster, Rean, Mig, jcarlsoniv, ticklishmusic, kushm4sta, justanothertownie, Risen, gtrsrs, JonnyLaw, mkfuba07, Meapak_Zipph, Roffles kushm4sta (1): Mocsta, LSB Koshi (2): jcarlsoniv, raynpelikoneet, kushm4sta, raynpelikoneet, Coagulationjaybrundage (0): ticklishmusicsupersoft (0): raynpelikoneetModkill zone (0): Coagulation is set to be lynched.
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The only thing that is interesting is how many scumreads there are on Roffles Day 2. Knowing 2 scum on that wagon already flipped I have my doubts on there being even more scum. Just so unlikely.
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at least 3 more scum kush. And 1 sk maybe.
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On December 13 2013 00:08 jcarlsoniv wrote:
does anyone happen to have totals of damage done to everyone thus far? I would think that people on the lower end of the "damage taken spectrum" would be more likely to be scum, no?
Yeah lets not talk too much about how much hp we have left. Pretty sure nobody is on such a low hp total that they are excused for a lynch.
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On December 13 2013 00:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 23:48 Mig wrote:
The post that MZ calls a scumslip by roffles is interesting. Roffles says he didnt want to play in a game where people are trying to win by using technicalities. The person trying to get him modkilled was Rean (town). Would roffles be so bitter about a townie accusing him if he were town?
Rayn who do you think is the mafia rber?
I really would like to hear from Onegu right now. I don't know, was anyone roleblocked on N2?
Marv/Lion King
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You think the guy who is hunting the scum RBer is in fact the scum Rber?
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