And regarding the taunt, I really can't get passed that.
Risen claimed he would be shielding both rayn/risen or himself.
rayn taunts mocsta. Mafia has no way of knowing that unless rayn is mafia. But if rayn is mafia he knew Risen was suppose to shield them and there is no point hitting for 25dmg, as that damage would never be even noticed.
So either mafia randomly wasted 25 damage on Rayn or Risen for no purpose (can't be another mafia VT since VTs shoot for 50 and unless taunted the damage should not be halved) or he taunted it off mocsta. That's the only 2 possible explanations and one is way more likely than the other.

sandroba

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December 17 2013 18:58 GMT

#7548

If mafia's plan was to frame someone I believe they would have pushed the issue but I see not a single mention of this in flipped scum's filter. The fact that mafia didn't jump on mocsta for that is alarming by itself. And if it were a frame it would likely not even be noticed since Risen was suppose to shield them both.

sandroba

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December 17 2013 18:58 GMT

#7550

Has mocsta proved he can move? He said he can move but never did so.

sandroba

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December 17 2013 19:02 GMT

#7551

wait that was kush. mocsta said marksman then switched to tank?

sandroba

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December 17 2013 19:07 GMT

#7554

Okay mocsta you said you had 1k hp and was on the phone right? When asked if you were caster or tank, you replied marksman. But now you say you are tank and have 1.15k hp. What gives?

sandroba

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December 17 2013 19:11 GMT

#7555

@koshi you quoted it yourself. Mocsta claimed VT with 1k hp. Odin asked if he wether he was caster or tank and he replied "I don't know anything about lol. Sorry. I was a marksman whatever that means".

sandroba

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December 17 2013 19:22 GMT

#7557

@kush any good explanation for what happened? Mocsta only changed his claim to tank after the taunt thing iirc.

sandroba

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December 17 2013 19:27 GMT

#7558

@kush why the sudden change of heart about mocsta, looking at your filter last night he seemed to be your only scum read and you seemed pretty conviced about it.

sandroba

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December 17 2013 20:02 GMT

#7560

Rayn help me out here, how do you figure you got hit by 25 dmg?

sandroba

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December 17 2013 20:26 GMT

#7568

The thing is jat, he only started lying after rayn said he taunted someone and was hit by 25dmg. Then he changed his story from being "marksman" with 1k hp to tank minion with 1.15k hp. Even though previously when directly asked wether he was tank minion he apparently he had no clue what that means.

sandroba

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December 17 2013 20:34 GMT

#7578

How is it no reward when he just got taunted off 50 dmg by rayn, which he can't explain how he used in the previous nights? And how on earth would you explain the fact that rayn took 25 dmg?

sandroba

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December 17 2013 20:35 GMT

#7581

I'm WildTurtle.

sandroba

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December 17 2013 20:39 GMT

#7587

On December 18 2013 05:36 justanothertownie wrote:
The last post was directed at jay obviously.

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The question is: why would he tell us the wrong role in the first place? If he claimed caster minion right away there wouldn't even be a problem explaining the dmg.

He would because he in case he can't justifiy his previous night shots.

sandroba

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December 17 2013 20:56 GMT

#7597

On December 18 2013 05:43 justanothertownie wrote:

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He could have just shot any anti town player. We had/have enough of them this game. I think this is weak reasoning.

He could have but he didnt? He would have to say I shot x on N1 and y on N2. If he shot someone pro town he would look terrible. If he says he shot someone who took damage we can try to sort it out. Not as simple as you make it sound.

sandroba

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December 17 2013 21:22 GMT

#7607

Of course after ther incident happen mafia has a reason to randomly hit rayn for 25 dmg. But in the night rayn was supposedly shielded and mafia could never know he would taunt mocsta it makes no fucking sense. Please use your head jat.

sandroba

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December 17 2013 21:24 GMT

#7609

On December 18 2013 06:21 kushm4sta wrote:

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nah i still know that mocsta is scum. just wat you are saying doesn't make sense

If you do, why not enlighten us by sharing your wisdom? And no matter how much you think my case sucks why are you arguing against it if the purpose is to lynch mocsta? And why are you taking so long to place your vote?

sandroba

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December 17 2013 21:30 GMT

#7613

Don't you understand that is in mafia best interest to keep information from town? And if mocsta shot at previous night on the people that got killed or any one looking town he would have a hard time explaining it?
That's the way you would do it if you got mafia caster minion, it doesn't mean that's the way mocsta did it in the previous night. And if you remember mocsta didn't say which type of minion he was when directly asked about it by Odin.

sandroba

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December 17 2013 21:43 GMT

#7616

sigh it's hard to talk to you. At N1 and N2 mocsta had not claimed which type of VT he was. He has no reason to do so as mafia unless pressed about it. He was asked about it by odin and dismissed the question saying something about marksman. Now why would he shoot some lurkers with his 50kp? That would be hard to justify as town mocsta since he was saying JL and MZ were scum and they didn't take any extra damage as you can see in the ambulance radio. How can he justify have shot someone else? He can't, so when 50kp got taunted off him when he was finally pressed about which type of VT he was he changes his claim to tank minion who has no KP (since again, he cant justify not shooting MZ or JL). But wait, tank minion actually has 1.15k hp as opposed to what mocsta claimed 1k hp. No problem he just says he has 1.15k and said 1k because it was too damn long to type.

sandroba

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December 17 2013 21:46 GMT

#7617

Mafia likely has xxxx factional kp. Mocsta wasting it on lurkers which mafia has no desire to kill acomplishes nothing and doesn't buy mocsta any town cred. The best course of action is to not say you have kp at all and contribute your kp to mafia objectives.