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I think the next step is to obtain other opinions and await a response by Sciberbia. | ||
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On November 24 2013 09:38 cDgCorazon wrote: Why are these posts basically the same? Why are they both attacking Mocsta and trying to pass the blame for the Rayn lynch solely on him? Cause they are scum! Do you think one of them could be town and the other one scum sheeping a convenient opinion? | ||
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On November 24 2013 09:44 cDgCorazon wrote: To be honest they look like the exact same post and neither of them were followed up with any suspicion on Mocsta. I think it's more likely that HF was trying to distance himself from the lynch and Onegu is trying to pretend to scum-hunt to gain the town cred he so desperately needs right now. I could see both of them trying this. I'm not certain I understood the point correctly. Are you saying that they are both scum for having the same opinion, or each of them is scum individually because they have that opinion and it's scummy? | ||
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On November 24 2013 09:58 Holyflare wrote: That onegu thing is really REALLY scummy by the way. Which Onegu thing? The case he made on Bereft, Sciberbia's comments on that case, Onegu's opinion agreeing with yours, or something else? be specific. | ||
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If you think Mocsta/Onegu is scum, make a case and I will evaluate it on its merits. Your sniping at them without ever making it exactly clear what you think of them overall and why is unproductive. | ||
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On November 24 2013 10:55 sciberbia wrote: Also your reasons for thinking Onegu are town are really wrong. In the 1 game I played with him he made several cases as scum. Which game was this, I'd like to read it. | ||
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On November 24 2013 11:50 sciberbia wrote: @Aquanim, Cora How likely do you think Mocsta is to be scum? ... Very unlikely. I have prior experience with Mocsta (Newbie XXXIII, TL Mafia LX, obsed some other games of his) and gut is screaming town. His jumping from read to read, changing previous reads with a new perspective, and occasionally less-than-well-thought-out arguments are what I'd expect from him. I think if it weren't for Mocsta this thread would be pretty dead overall, he's been doing a lot of the pushing. Just on those grounds I think he's town and certainly a terrible lynch today. | ||
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On November 24 2013 12:05 thrawn2112 wrote: ##Vote: JarJarDrinks I might can do the Onegu thing but I need to reaffirm my position on him. I am much more confident about JarJar for the reasons I posted in the "notes" spoiler and what I said in my last quote. My read on JJD yesterday was town but I haven't looked at him again in some time. I'll reassess him. | ||
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On November 24 2013 12:09 cDgCorazon wrote: Please vote Onegu I spent like an hour on that case and you are the only one who has acknowledged its existence... Duly acknowledged. I want to see his Mocsta case before I make firm conclusions about Onegu's alignment. | ||
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On November 24 2013 13:15 JarJarDrinks wrote: Moc, I've been a solid town read for you all game long. You need to explain what exactly changed ur mind cause it looks like ur straight up just looking for any wagon to jump on. @JJD: Are you seriously asserting that Mocsta's overall gameplan this game is to look for a wagon to sheep? Please give evidence if this is so. | ||
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The Rayn lynch There were five of us on the Rayn wagon until consolidation happened: Aquanim, Thrawn, Mocsta, Bereft, and JarJarDrinks. The case for Rayn scum was passable but in hindsight had some holes (in particular I'm thinking of the meta point Sciberbia raised). The extra ingredient which made the Rayn wagon justifiable to the townies on the Rayn wagon was genuine frusturation with Rayn's play. Representative quotes: + Show Spoiler + On November 22 2013 10:47 Mocsta wrote: I thought you had bigger balls. I don't want to play with Rayn anymore full stop. We had a good town environment until page 25ish and I was relaly enjoying this game. He has single handedly shit the thread and this game has completely denigrated into somethign I have no interest playing anymore. My vote is staying on Rayn. /post-game If rayn is town this game, you will be added to my personal ban list. Im pretty fucking disgusted right now. On November 22 2013 10:02 Bereft wrote: hahaha. classic. anyone who thinks you are town is town. Most of JJD's posts about Rayn are on page 3 of his filter: link And sure, JJD has a fair few posts expressing dissatisfaction with Rayn. However, I'm not sure I buy it quite so much as the posts of Mocsta, Bereft and Thrawn. This is mostly a gut thing, and I'm not certain that JJD was not genuine. The largest difference in the properties of JJD's posts to everybody else's which I can see is that JJD focuses in on individual flaws in Rayn's arguments rather than generalising to the entirety of Rayn's play. An inability to see the bigger picture *could* be indicative of a scum who isn't thinking about the game seriously and trying to get a rounded view of Rayn's posts. Overall contribution In fact I would characterise most of JJD's contibutions as focusing in on individual posts which he finds scummy rather than giving an opinion on a player as a whole. I would consider this a scummy way to approach the game - as a townie I certaintly try to evaluate a player's entire filter before giving a read, whereas I can imagine scum wouldn't go to the effort. My impression from a look at his town game in Newbie 39 (link) and in Basterd Mafia  link)is that the quality of his thought is better there - there's more assimilation of the entirety of each player's filter into a judgement of their alignment. Particularly in Basterd I also think his play is more dynamic and he's more interested in the game.In Bluelightz as scum: (link) I think he cherrypicks aspects of a person's filter more, like he's doing this game. I really haven't gone into much depth on my meta reading but my feeling is that this game is more similar to his scum meta than his town one. It's a vague feeling, though. Conclusion: JJD's filter gives me bad feelings now but I can't pin down what makes him scummier than Onegu/Holyflare/(Rean/Jampidampi). He's no longer a townread. | ||
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