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Bereft
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1007 Posts
November 27 2013 00:50 GMT
#2239
E for effort HF, but sorry you are no GMarshal. you can take another stab at attempting his prose if you'd like, but if you honestly expect any of us to believe the awesomely moderating GMarshal would give us flavor with run-on sentences you have another think coming.

and now that you are caught out on it, you're admitting the vet claim is fake?

lynch this fool already. come on and do it, Cora.
Bereft
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1007 Posts
November 27 2013 03:41 GMT
#2303
cmon cora. please don't make this personal. this isn't about you. this is about #WINNING. mafia plays as a team. how are we supposed to win this unless we work together as a team too? voting HF today doesn't diminish the quality of your role check. it will only validate it.
Bereft
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1007 Posts
November 27 2013 04:57 GMT
#2359
cora THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU. this is about lynching someone who is certainly scum vs someone who is almost certainly scum. why are you being like this?? this is the safe play here. this has nothing to do with us discounting your reads. nobody is bullying you. nobody put any worth in my JJD town read either or my mocsta case. I don't mind. I dropped my mocsta case in large part because of your town read.
Bereft
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1007 Posts
November 27 2013 05:05 GMT
#2363
do you not care about winning? are you not even willing to consider the possibility that you COULD be wrong? onegu is a good lynch. but holyflare is the perfect one. I don't know what else to say. I'm really fucking disappointed. play with your head and not with your heart, corazon.
Bereft
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1007 Posts
November 27 2013 05:18 GMT
#2377
On November 27 2013 14:07 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2013 14:05 Bereft wrote:
do you not care about winning? are you not even willing to consider the possibility that you COULD be wrong? onegu is a good lynch. but holyflare is the perfect one. I don't know what else to say. I'm disappointed. play with your head and not with your heart, corazon.

Ftfy

Fwiw we could use more the rest of TL attitude here

I am guilty of degenerating but I'm trying to remove the mire

what's ftfy?

and LOL did you just censor my post?
Bereft
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1007 Posts
November 27 2013 05:24 GMT
#2382
holy is scum. cora is town.

alright public announcement. listen up scummers:

whoever piles on first onto the HF train will be saved for last.
Bereft
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1007 Posts
November 27 2013 17:13 GMT
#2425
alright cora, I really didn't want to claim. we haven't solved this game yet and could use mafia wasting a KP. but if you won't listen to reason maybe you'll listen to COLD HARD FACTS.

I know for a fact HF is not town because I'm the veteran.

think about it - why do you think as soon as you claimed blue I became so confident in my HF read? I knew there was no chance in hell we had 3 blue roles in the game. and between you and HF, HF was lying. why do you think I was so paranoid about a red power role affecting your cop check? I knew if there was a vet AND a cop in the game, there being a red power role is a certainty. why do you think I asked HF to post his flavor and immediately knew that gmarshal didn't write it as soon as I saw it? it's completely different than mine, the blue role isn't bolded, half of it is a run on sentence... why else would HF not post his flavor as soon as he claimed vet? I'd bet all my TL dollars he was desperately waiting for gmarshal to send him some fluff and had to churn something out under the gun.

Original Message From GMarshal:
Welcome to Back to the Basics Mini Mafia! You are James Joseph Bulger a Mob Boss (Veteran). You are the leader of the local racketeering business, and for a price your organization will protect your clients from competition, thieves, and the police. Your importance to the organization gives you the ability to evade the police for one night. If targeted by the police, your right-hand minion will shield you from any attempts to shoot or arrest you, protecting you from one kp. You will be told if there was an attempt on your life. Don't let your minions sacrifice themselves in vain - flush out the cops!


I'm serving you a scummer on a silver platter right now. please don't throw away the game because you are too proud. the Greeks have a word for this - it's called hubris.
Bereft
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1007 Posts
November 27 2013 22:49 GMT
#2427
come on Cora ^^ there is nothing heroic in going against a certain lynch, and as I keep saying, this has nothing to do with you as a player. hell, this has nothing to do with any of us as a player, save for HF.
Bereft
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1007 Posts
November 27 2013 23:15 GMT
#2430
Onegu, why aren't you voting HF?
Bereft
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1007 Posts
November 27 2013 23:38 GMT
#2436
obviously I am town. HF is not certain to get lynched. in order to lynch him we need 5 votes. cora is the last town and doesn't want to move his vote. I don't know what else you need explained to you.
Bereft
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1007 Posts
November 28 2013 01:01 GMT
#2453
@HF: just stop, this is getting a bit embarrassing for you. if you wanted any town credibility whatsoever maybe you should've put in at least an ounce of effort sooner.

@Onegu: no, your case is on a strong town read of mine. but since you've spent so much time on it, I'll read it after dinner!
Bereft
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1007 Posts
November 28 2013 01:19 GMT
#2462
actually, I take back what I said about "pls stop". pls keep talking, I would love a wealth of information to sift through after you flip.

BTW guys I'll probably be at dinner through the deadline. will check in 20 mins before just in case, but looks like we're in a good spot right now. hopefully cora has calmed down and will join us on this win train.
Bereft
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1007 Posts
November 28 2013 02:32 GMT
#2482
LOL onegu
Bereft
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1007 Posts
November 28 2013 02:58 GMT
#2497
i was en route home. i'm home now.

i love how initially you were pushing people to read your posts after you flip.

On November 28 2013 10:07 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2013 10:04 sciberbia wrote:
On November 28 2013 09:52 Holyflare wrote:
Like, I get why you'd put a vote on me, my play hasn't been anything like my meta's for either alignment and I haven't contributed in the traditional way.

The whole thread is doing anti-town discussion whilst I generate good discussion! Blue state is best state. Blue forever.


lol so troll

We dont need cora just stay on HF. Scum would all have to out themselves to save him and we could just lynch them tmrw


please inform me where your helpful discussion has been because today I:

1) Proved to you that the cop claim was indeed a lie

2) Showed you 2 scum that you are clearly not discussing, it's an actual joke that nobody is talking about the moves that people have done today, they are actually afk lynching me with no discussion. If I am scum then you are nowhere nearer to lynching 2 other scum in this game. Congratulations, free scum victory.

3) There is a butt load of information about people from my play today, hopefully, if chezinu is in fact town he can read up on people's reactions on it.



and then you realize "oh wait if i were town the game might end" and now you say "IF THE GAME SOMEHOW DOESNT END please read my reads"
Bereft
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1007 Posts
November 28 2013 02:59 GMT
#2499
like i don't understand how it can be made any more obvious.
Bereft
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1007 Posts
November 28 2013 03:00 GMT
#2505
it's not your belief that game COULD last if we mislynch that's scummy.

it's that your posts earlier implied that you believed it WOULD last after you're lynched that is.
Bereft
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1007 Posts
November 28 2013 03:01 GMT
#2508
nailed it!
Bereft
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1007 Posts
November 28 2013 03:09 GMT
#2514
On November 28 2013 12:02 Chezinu wrote:
As you can see, he was trying to convince me to switch. Therefore, I'm confirmed Family. Take that you robots! I am human! What you going to do? Kill me out of spite?

you've been acting awful tough lately
smoking a lot of cigarettes lately
but inside...you're just a little baby!

+ Show Spoiler +
Bereft
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1007 Posts
November 28 2013 19:51 GMT
#2528
AMURRICA

happy turkey day guys!

on the same page as you, moc. I'll reread day 3 posting when I have time.
Bereft
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1007 Posts
November 29 2013 02:45 GMT
#2530
I totally missed this earlier:

On November 26 2013 18:06 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 17:56 Onegu wrote:
On November 26 2013 17:45 Mocsta wrote:
On November 26 2013 17:41 Onegu wrote:
Ok you spoiler it. I dont get why you spoil it. Really feels like you are trying to hide shit. dont even say I say its ok for him to change his reads but not you, you have done it MULTIPLE TIMES, I even say you can change your reads but you do 3 magical rereads and change your reads from scum to town and town to scum each time with no reasons given on alot of them, or only one liners. Also his reads come at a point, the his reads change once and not again like you suggest. He says he will consolidate but never takes his read back. He left himself outs you say, but he never used them. He kept his story. And aqua was confirmation biased he thought you were town, didnt have a read on jamp who tunneled him. He read over your case andddnt fact check it so you bringing up a confirmed town agreed with you means nothing.

LOl..

so you are comparing the filter of a Day1 lurker; or a Day3 active.. and then suggesting that the Day1 lurker changes his mind less?.. no shit sherlock

Aqua was C.B'd lol? Is that how you justify your position now?

Spoilering posts means I want to hide stuff --> Scummy LOL...

Let me know when you are ready to stop changing up your story



Yeah remember that part about not responding to you or cora, we arent getting anywhere. And Im not going to keep shitting up the thread with you. I know you are going to try to use onegu wasnt reading, onegu doesnt know what he was talking about when I flip, Im guess its the first post you make after I flip.

You are the one who brought up Aqua a confirmed townie agreeing with your case, I am showimg why that doesnt mean anything when it comes to that townie haveing a town read on you, at minumum a null read on jamp, and the case is about jamp haveing a scum read on aqua.
blszinghand
Scumslips do exist.

We are in MYLO. Note how onegu refers to me using his filter after he flips.

We got ourselves here scum boys n girls.


funny how HF made the exact same mistake.

On November 28 2013 11:11 Onegu wrote:
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On November 28 2013 11:02 Holyflare wrote:
Funny how bereft is "afk till 20 mins before deadline" though,

##Unvote
##Vote Bereft



Im still thinking if he is newb enough to do the claim as town. I am leaning against it. But doubt we will get enoughto switch onto him but lets give it a go and see what happens, if no one else switches I will hammer you though as if we go another day it will be lylo with the same wagons in me and you with no one else willing to change and that gets us no where.

##UNVOTE
##VOTE BEREFT

the fact that he's willing to hammer HF even though he suspects me pretty much confirms it -- an onegu lynch day 4 a no-brainer. and i did promise that the first scum to vote HF would be spared for last, so it's only fair. now it's just a matter of confirming slammer is town.

slammer! what is this? a confession??
On November 27 2013 14:25 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2013 14:24 Bereft wrote:
holy is scum. cora is town.

alright public announcement. listen up scummers:

whoever piles on first onto the HF train will be saved for last.


Well I'm already there.


i feel pretty good about chezinu being the last scum; this is probably massive WIFOM, but when it becomes clear to HF he'll be lynched, suddenly chezinu becomes one of his scum reads (along with me + cora) and he even writes a case on it. i just don't think he'd have his final scum reads be 3 townies and bother to write a long case on a townie when he's moments from flipping red. also, rean's filter is more townie than jampi's in my opinion.

On November 28 2013 11:28 Holyflare wrote:
Also, in regards to chezinu, he is purposefully manipulating information to fit his style:

Show nested quote +
On November 28 2013 00:00 Chezinu wrote:
Holyflare. The light of the first dawn. I, Chezinu the Godfather of our beloved family, have declared thee unworthy to dwell among our presence.,

1. You have broken the Chezinu Rule
2. You have lied to the family.
3. You have left the family for another.
4. You have been condemned by the Wisdom of the Dead.

##Vote Holyflare

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1.+ Show Spoiler +
Doesn't need an explanation

2.+ Show Spoiler +
fake claim

3.+ Show Spoiler +
blue state

4.+ Show Spoiler +
On November 25 2013 12:00 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Why didn't Holys flavor say (medic) in parenthesis like mine and rayns say (vanilla townie)?


On November 26 2013 11:58 Aquanim wrote:
(A lot of this has been said already since I wrote a fair bit of it last night. But you can have it anyway.)

Who to lynch tomorrow? My preference is Chezinu or Onegu. I'm pretty sure both of them are in the scumteam along with one of Holyflare/Alakaslam.

The case on Jampidampi by Mocsta and the "scumslip" picked up by Thrawn is probably as close to a read on Chezinu as we're going to get, especially if Thrawn dies (since I'm pretty sure none of the rest of us have much prior experience with Chez). May as well flip that coin sooner rather than later.

As for Onegu, this last tossup with Corazon has finally broken my credulity in just how few damns Onegu gives about this game. I honestly don't think there's any way he can have thought those two posts by Corazon were at the 2-hour mark if he's seriously analysing this game. His cases on Bereft and Mocsta could easily have been written by scum just pulling out post after post after post from their filters and saying the first damning-sounding thing which comes to mind. And while I was fooled by Onegu's indignation yesterday, I've been fooled by Onegu playing dumb before (see Newbie 43). I don't intend to let it happen again. You can lynch Onegu first to satisfy Corazon, if you like.

As for Holyflare:
- I have never seen him angry as town, but that's the vibe I'm getting here
- I have never seen him this disinterested as town. Read page 4 of his filter, compare it to any town game he's played in the past, and tell me that this is a town Holyflare who is genuinely interested in pushing a lynch
- He could claim to save somebody who aren't the two who scum kills. In that case, use your judgement.
- Sure he hasn't played like this as scum before, but there's no reason to change his town meta into this and plenty of reason to change his scum meta (replaced into a scum team with lurkers, just plain doesn't want to even try to contribute)
A quick aside re. Holyflare

+ Show Spoiler +
If there's a save tonight obviously don't lynch Holy tomorrow, but still keep him on your radar. His play so far this game has been COMPLETELY unlike his town play, and maybe this is the scum team trying to protect Holy. It would explain their motive for having him claim in the first place. It does give us another mislynch so I think it would be poor play, but my opinion is hardly going to stop them...


maybe, MAYBE he'll get off his ass and contribute now that the weekend's over. But I think he's just scum. (Having difficulty reconciling that with the doctor claim, but... frankly that doctor claim was a f***ing awful idea whatever his alignment, so I guess it being risky as scum isn't scum-indiciative.)

Alakaslam I still gotta think about. If I die you're probably better off considering what he posts tomorrow rather than whatever thoughts I have now anyway.

In the light of this claim I have no idea who scum will shoot. If they shoot me, good luck - you're gonna need it.

(tl;dr I agree with sciberbia and mocsta, {Holyflare // Rean, Chezinu (jampi), Onegu})

Last-minute additions:
Corazon's cop claim... gah. I don't see the point if he's scum. But damn it why did you claim so long before deadline? If the scum have a framer we could be led entirely up the garden path. I hope he's planning to check someone who isn't Onegu and was just claiming that to lead scum astray. I'd far prefer to see a check on Chezinu or even Holyflare than Onegu. Given how hard Corazon bashed on Holy for his claim I have hopes that Corazon has plans he hasn't revealed yet.


He uses 4 reasons for his read based vote on me.

The first he implies does not work if the person knows what the Chezinu rule is, yet here it is as 25% of his intention for a vote. Therefore 1/4 of his reasoning is factually incorrect.

He says that a fake claim is another reason. My claim of vet is the truth so that is reasoning number 2 that is wrong, if i were to fake claim a role I wouldn't know how to do it because I don't know what the other roles would look like. It would be perfectly written because scum get fake claims, he has no mention of this. 50% factually incorrect

His third point is because I like the colour blue.........? 75% useless

Finally, he mentions the wisdom of the dead but uses incorrect logic from dead people's posts to do it. Aquanim stated that he has never seen me disinterested as town but did chezinu bother to fact check this at all? There is no mention of this so he must have done. Therefore he also read my scum game (hogwarts) where I most certainly was not disinterested either. He then uses JarJar's mention of my claim. Doctor was a fake claim and so of course JarJar was correct. However, vet was not my fake claim and he makes no mention of this either. 100% useless


Chez purposefully misleads all of you in the attempt to look like he is one of the town group. He uses useless information that is clearly not fact checked to mislead you into thinking he is doing work. His playstyle is based on reads and as you don't know what his reads are at the time you do not know what alignment he is playing for. He has claimed GF (blue town role) but came under no scrutiny from bereft for this, no mention at all even though bereft's entire reasoning was that there can't be 3 blue roles which he claimed was his only reason for attacking me.



Chezinu, Bereft. Scum team.
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