EPTOn November 22 2013 10:53 Mocsta wrote:
No, you dont get to brush this off.
Why did you vote Onegu afterwards.
No, you dont get to brush this off.
Why did you vote Onegu afterwards.
mocsta unless you think I'm scum please stfu
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On November 22 2013 10:56 Mocsta wrote: I am starting to give it weight So answer the god-damn question. I will expand on my previous post. I was too lazy to read a huge post about a candidate that I hadn't really thought about until the moment I saw your post, and my knee jerk reaction was to call your post useless. That is my brain's way of tricking me into thinking that I didn't actually need to read your post, my brain is a lazy fuck sometimes and I need to be more mindful of its sinister machinations. Then I realized everything in the above paragraph and decided to read your post. I agreed with it and was desperately looking for a candidate so I voted Onegu. Then I went and read his filter and decided I can't find enough scumminess in it that's worth lynching him over. | ||
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On November 22 2013 10:59 Holyflare wrote: what the hell are you doing? You can't go from NOBODY VOTE RAYN HE IS DEFINITELY TOWN to then lynching him again this is ridiculous How about you suggest a candidate and try to convince me to lynch him instead of taking the easy way out by claiming you want to sheep whatever I do, except for that one thing I'm obviously most likely to do? | ||
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On November 22 2013 11:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's all you wonder? oh i forgot you are scum. you gotta go dude | ||
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On November 22 2013 10:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: 1.) Rean - town, read my filter. 2.) thrawn2112 - most likely town, willing to listen 3.) JarJarDrinks - scum, kill with fire. case. 4.) cDgCorazon - town, frustrated for me - Mocsta.seems genuine 5.) Bereft - scum. talks bullshit. scumslips. kill with fire 7.) Mocsta- scum - read what i said about him. i thought he would know better, nah, scum for what i said 8.) Aquanim - annoying (spoiler not for children) + Show Spoiler + .... i wrote a lot of bad words here. ugh.. annoying. 9.) Onegu - town, has good gut reads. cool dude! 10.) Holyflare - town for knowing what he's talking about. 11.) sciberbia 12.) jampidampi Is this what you are referring to? Do you sincerely think this will help town after you flip? | ||
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On November 22 2013 11:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah Onegu, thrawn, jampidampi and Mocsta (albeit he is hit this game) knows how i play. I do whatever i want. When I hosted G.O.T. mafia it was the first time I'd seen you play and my impression of your scum play was that you were not afraid to push mafia objectives and you like to bully your way out of a conversation when someone is calling you scum. That matches what you are doing here. All day long I've been having flashbacks of this conversation in WC2 when you and umasi were scum: On November 12 2013 23:50 thrawn2112 wrote: rayn answer me this. do you want me to post why I thought umasi might be scum On November 12 2013 23:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you are going to post why Umasi is scum youshould probably post why i am scum too, otherwise i don't care. I have not fakeclaimed after Desert in any game. | ||
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On November 22 2013 11:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: yes i do. there are 4 scumreds. cases are on my filter. so? I don't know why aren't indulging me if you are town. I do know why you might not be indulging me if you are scum. Just do it rayn. Prove that you're a townie, prove that you actually have reads. Prove that you can produce content on demand. | ||
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On November 22 2013 11:28 cDgCorazon wrote: You know what, I don't want any part of this. Rayn and Moc are just battling with their egos and this whole thing is silly. I would say that I'd rather have Rayn be lynched so we can move on to more things but I also think it is really stupid that we are voting Rayn out when it's pretty obvious to me now that he is town. ##unvote ##Vote: No-lynch This is stupid and I can't believe that it has come to this. Rayn is a bad lynch and Onegu/Aqua are way better lynches today. Scum claim? | ||
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Corazon isn't letting us.... | ||
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On November 22 2013 11:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: he's just hrowing shit at me for no reason. there is no reason to do so if he is town. when i flip he'll act "angry" and "FUCK YOURAYN WHY DID YOU DO SO". t_T you're a sad person aquanim lynch this | ||
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Mocsta, go read that post I made where I fully explained my position on my comment about your Onegu case. I made some noise about wanting this game to be based on logic, not emotion, and what I meant by that is further explained in the post I just told you to go read. The things that you think are your thoughts come from somewhere and there is a reason for why you have them. Being able to understand if these reasons are valid is key to recognizing when you're taking an incorrect position. I know this has nothing to do with the game but this is important. The method I described above is what kept leading me to thinking rayn was town, so what I'm saying does have some merit. Incorrect thought = Rayn is scum "subconscious" (for lack of a better word) reasons your brain comes up with to keep believing rayn is mafia: "I am smart and I am so sure that he is mafia" "If rayn is scum, I don't have to put any more effort into figuring this lynch out" "Admitting to the thread or myself that I am unsure about the read I was previously so sure about is hard on my ego" None of these things will you ever actually say to yourself in your inner-monologue but they are still there in the background, forcing you to rationalize and come up with excuses for not considering a different solution to a problem. It is very hard to admit to yourself that your justifications for your opinions can be so shallow. When these reasons are laid bare it is obvious how illogical and egocentric they are. All I am trying to say is that your brain does not always fight on the side of logic so you need to make efforts to understand where your thoughts come from. If you are sure that somebody is X alignment, and you see something that briefly makes you think otherwise, but you quickly dismiss the thought thinking "nah, I was probably right the first time" this is likely to be a time when you are using faulty logic (your "thoughts", or the "voice" you hear explaining your opinion to you when you think) to rationalize what your ego wants.. and what your ego wants is to take the easy way out of problems, and to feel like it is important and infallbile. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [rayn posts] + On November 21 2013 14:13 Bereft wrote: if you're town, i don't know what you're trying to accomplish by jumping on me for such a minor point i proceeded to IMMEDIATELY explain and then disappearing from the thread. what are you hoping to accomplish? you do realize we are 22 hours away from the deadline in a game of majority lynch?? On November 22 2013 00:00 Bereft wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Rayn I think its completely irrational for a townie to bust into the thread the way rayn is doing now flinging shit like an angry bull. there is no reason for him to be behaving this way as town. On November 22 2013 00:15 Bereft wrote: basically I agree 100% with what thrawn said. rayns acting in a manner that makes it quite unlikely he's town, but in the off chance that he is, his attitude is horrible and I'd much rather have Rean around than him. On November 22 2013 02:16 Bereft wrote: why do you think its more beneficial to keep a toxic player around who gives the fake intention of martyring (without actually intending to be a martyr) vs an analytical level headed player who's at least giving the impression of being as transparent as possible? On November 22 2013 10:59 Bereft wrote: scib, here's the thing. i am not unwilling to compromise. it's not like i have no doubt in my mind. but rayn is not just my strongest read -- i don't see any value in keeping him around. as i stated when i voted for him, i think he's incredibly antitown with a terribly off-putting attitude. of course that attitude is gone now that he's under fire, but i think the way he busted into this thread on his high horse around page 33 is unacceptable. if you can give me a strong case on why rayn is town and worth keeping around and why onegu/rean/cora are a better lynch, i will consider it. These posts feature Bereft continuously justifying the Rayn lynch by saying "I can see town doing this" and by using policy lynch arguments. + Show Spoiler [talking to rayn] + On November 22 2013 02:23 Bereft wrote: because trying to get a lynch on my scum read vs a no lynch day 1 is anti town. cmon rayn, you're making me literally cringe here. in any case let's not shit up the thread. obviously I'm not going to convince you to vote yourself and you aren't going to convince me to vote myself. This post shows Bereft not being interested in having a discussion with the person Bereft wants to lynch. + Show Spoiler [what if?] + On November 22 2013 10:18 Bereft wrote: yes, i think he's playing scummy. his cases are built on air and yet he's 100% certain myself and quite a few others are scum -- UNLESS of course it suits him to be nice to them. how can he be 100% certain mocsta, jjd, and I are scum? i wouldn't even place my confidence interval on whether i think HE is scum that high, and i feel strongly about this lynch. In this post, I ask Bereft "what if rayn is town" and I provide a meta example that can show how town rayn can be playing this way, which is what Bereft claims to be looking for but can't find. Bereft calls rayn scum and does not address my questions or stop to think about the possibility of a town rayn. + Show Spoiler [img] + On November 22 2013 11:42 Bereft wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/nsg2TE5.png) This image is a very good representation of Bereft's justification for voting for rayn. Bereft, can you explain your D1 vote? It looks like you're hiding behind policy lynch rhetoric and that you don't care to discuss the possibilty that rayn is town. | ||
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