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@Thrawn, two questions:
Re. Jampidampi: The point he raised against me about allegedly "throwing mud at him" or however he worded it strikes me as the kind of paranoid thing I'd expect more from a townie than from scum. Do you agree/disagree?
Also, Jampidampi is lynchbait as a rule and I would have to be very, very sure about him before I'd be happy with lynching him.
Re. Rayn: I agree with you that Rayn often tries to force his will upon the thread. However, in this case, if he was town I think he'd have had one wagon to run against Rean's wagon (and later his own) and stuck to that one wagon. What he's actually done feels more to me like he's searching for a wagon which someone will bite on, which would be scum-motivated (he doesn't care who the lynch is so long as it isn't him). So far he's gone through Mocsta, Bereft, Jampidampi, you, JJD and not stuck for very long on any of them. Do you agree/disagree?
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On November 22 2013 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Please could you read my case on JarJar, and my bullet points against him. Those are really good.
Yeah, the bullet points look really good until you realise they're mostly unsubstantiated by the actual quotes.
On November 22 2013 09:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:Aquanim, that's a really bad misrepresentation of my scumplay (i think you mean to say scum instead of town).  No, just no.
Uh... no? I assume you're talking about this:
However, in this case, if he was town I think he'd have had one wagon to run against Rean's wagon (and later his own) and stuck to that one wagon.
in which case I definitely meant town. Ridiculous tunnels into oblivion are your town meta, switching from one case to the next when nobody shows interest in the first is not.
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On November 22 2013 09:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 09:30 Aquanim wrote:On November 22 2013 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Please could you read my case on JarJar, and my bullet points against him. Those are really good. Yeah, the bullet points look really good until you realise they're mostly unsubstantiated by the actual quotes. Except that i made a big case <3
Big doesn't mean good. I didn't see a single one of your points that was actually substantitated by the quotes you supplied.
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On November 22 2013 09:52 sciberbia wrote:Also I think Cora is pretty scummy. Reading his filter the feeling I get is that he KNOWS rayn is not scum,but acts as though his "hand was forced" into voting him even though there's plenty of time into the lynch and there are better candidates. He just says things like "rayn's behavior is not acceptable". And the actual scummy points he does raise against rayn are total BS. Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 04:45 cDgCorazon wrote:
I really do not like Rayn martyring...tbh the concept of martyring has been beaten to death and I think he's just using it as a ploy to gain town cred.
This is trying to apply a scumtell to a situation where it doesn't apply at all. If you have 8 votes on you then maybe martyrying is a scumtell, but rayn hardly had any pressure on him when he started trampling through the thread and voting himself. Read rayn's filter from the last 12 hours and tell me he has been trying to "gain town cred". He has been doing the complete opposite by pissing everybody off. Cora is reallly reaching hard here to justify his vote. I'd be happy with a Cora lynch if anybody prefers him to Onegu.
I was going to bring up Corazon post-flip but yes his approach to the Rayn wagon is pretty sketchy. I didn't like the way he dropped his vote on Rayn just to "resolve the discussion between Rayn and Mocsta" rather than saying that Rayn was actually scum.
In reference to your defence of Rayn:
Anyone that has played with rayn before should know he does batshit crazy stuff, tunnels people, and has ridiculous convinction in his reads.
I agree with you that Rayn does batshit crazy stuff as town, and that what he's doing here is batshit crazy. HOWEVER, what he's doing here is explicitly NOT tunnelling people. His reads are changing from post to post, there's no consistency to them at all, let alone a single unified tunnel-visioned argument. And if his reads are changing from one post to the next, I can't see how you can claim he has ridiculous conviction in this game, even if he claims he does. Just because Rayn says he's confident doesn't mean he is.
tl;dr @Sciberbia: I agree with your characterisation of Rayn's town meta but I don't think it applies to his play in this game. Do you disagree with the points I've raised above?
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Sure, Rayn's screaming at us, like he would if he was town. But the content of his screaming is completely not what a town Rayn would be screaming about.
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And now he's just shitting up the thread with things irrelevant to the lynch to try to stop us reaching an actual majority. Which we still don't have on him, AFAIK.
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On November 22 2013 10:04 Aquanim wrote:
And now he's just shitting up the thread with things irrelevant to the lynch to try to stop us reaching an actual majority. Which we still don't have on him, AFAIK.
EBWOP: Unfortunately, I think that randomly shitting up the thread is something Rayn could, would and does do as town too. But it certainly isn't making me any less willing to kill him.
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On November 22 2013 10:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sciberbia look closely into Aquanim. He's saying fucked up stuff.
cross-investigate his posts and earlier obs QT's because i feel like he is talking out of his ass. I don't like it.
Oh really, now you want to come for me? In what way am I "talking out of my ass". Don't farm this job out to Sciberbia, do it yourself.
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On November 22 2013 10:07 Holyflare wrote:
Aquanim that is the most suspicious as fuck thing anyone has said in the past few pages.
If I was scum I could just lynch the bandwagon and get a majority to get rid of a player, if he was town it doesn't look bad for me because I just came to the thread right? If he was scum it's the same thing, I just bussed a team mate and I don't look any worse or better.
Now please inform me how that is shitting up the thread, I have an initial town read on rayn based on games that I have played with him and I want to stop people lynching someone who is a town read to me.
I'm talking about rayn, not about you.
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On November 22 2013 10:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 10:08 Aquanim wrote:On November 22 2013 10:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sciberbia look closely into Aquanim. He's saying fucked up stuff.
cross-investigate his posts and earlier obs QT's because i feel like he is talking out of his ass. I don't like it. Oh really, now you want to come for me? In what way am I "talking out of my ass". Don't farm this job out to Sciberbia, do it yourself. I don't need to. You are lynching me and i am gonna flip scum remember? So i am obviously lying.
Now see, if you were town you'd actually go to some effort to try to convince people I was scum, for the future if nothing else. Even if you did get lynched today you'd be contributing to pushing what you think is a scum lynch on another day.
But no, you just offer a "Rayn guarantee". Which given your history is worth absolutely nothing.
This one's a wagon of justice, folks.
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On November 22 2013 10:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am giving him a job he should do when i flip town.
If he does not do that (or if anyone else is not gonna do that) he is lazy or scum.
Because you are full of shit with your meta. ^^
Given how full of shit you've demonstrated yourself to be already, nobody is going to pay a damn bit of attention to what you've said even if you flip town, unless you actually substantiate it first. You told sciberbia to go look at "an obs QT" and didn't even tell him where to look. I've posted in a lot of obs QTs.
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On November 22 2013 10:15 sciberbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 10:00 Aquanim wrote:
His reads are changing from post to post, there's no consistency to them at all, let alone a single unified tunnel-visioned argument. And if his reads are changing from one post to the next, I can't see how you can claim he has ridiculous conviction in this game, even if he claims he does. Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 10:01 Bereft wrote:
@scib, i will agree that my stance on onegu has changed since yesterday and he's been completely useless. but i don't think he's a better lynch than rayn at the moment. i can't find any aspect of rayn's posting rational as a townie, and i've tried. i don't care if shit flinging is his usual style of playing. the bottom line is that there is no townie SENSE or LOGIC behind any of his shit flinging in this case. it does not make any sense for him to behave like this. @Aquanim, Bereft You could apply these descriptions of his play even more accurately to past games where he was town. Here are some quotes from rayn's filter on D1 of ego mini mafia where he is town. Notice that he somehow has ridiculous conviction in his reads, even though they are changing almost every half hour. And oftentimes he didn't even give a reason. + Show Spoiler [rayn] +On April 05 2013 09:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sciberbia wants to claim or fakeclaim a miller. ggyo. ::E
Vote: Sciberbia On April 05 2013 09:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
kill WoS? better? On April 05 2013 09:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
oh fuck, just kill sciberbia.
and then WoS. GG. On April 05 2013 09:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Unvote: sciberbia
##Vote: WaveOfShadow On April 05 2013 10:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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##Vote: iamperfection On April 05 2013 10:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can we kill WoS? On April 05 2013 10:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 10:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hey Axle, if you're still around, what do you make of rayn flitting about the thread thus far?
I liken him unto a chicken without a head, spraying blood and entrails wherever his dying nervous system directs him. Personally I am loathe to pay him any more mind than this but it would be nice to get a fresh opinion on the matter before partaking of other more worldly pursuits. Read this shit.. :E On April 05 2013 10:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Unvote: iamperfection
##Vote: Wave Of Shadow
guaranteed scum D1. On April 05 2013 11:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Unvote: Wave Of Shadow
##Vote: AxleGreaser
Okay this is the best lynch. Look at his lat post rofl. On April 05 2013 11:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sry. iwas kinda fucked up.
##Unvote: AxleGreaser
##Vote: Wave of Shadow On April 06 2013 10:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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##Vote: sciberbia On April 06 2013 11:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yeah sciberia is mafia, can we just kill him? On April 07 2013 03:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'm starting to think WoS is actually town.. Cna we lynch sci? On April 07 2013 08:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay, i want to kill Ace... Here's a link to the full filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&user=raynpelikoneet
...ok, fair enough. I still think that under the conditions he's in here switching between wagons as soon as nobody shows interest in the previous one is objectively scummy.
I think Corazon has a decent chance of flipping scum, but I also think that if Corazon's town he will be better able to prove it to us than Rayn and Corazon will generally be more useful. On the other hand If Rayn's town and gets lynched, well... nothing of much value was lost.
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On November 22 2013 10:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 10:14 Aquanim wrote:On November 22 2013 10:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 22 2013 10:08 Aquanim wrote:On November 22 2013 10:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sciberbia look closely into Aquanim. He's saying fucked up stuff.
cross-investigate his posts and earlier obs QT's because i feel like he is talking out of his ass. I don't like it. Oh really, now you want to come for me? In what way am I "talking out of my ass". Don't farm this job out to Sciberbia, do it yourself. I don't need to. You are lynching me and i am gonna flip scum remember? So i am obviously lying. Now see, if you were town you'd actually go to some effort to try to convince people I was scum, for the future if nothing else. Even if you did get lynched today you'd be contributing to pushing what you think is a scum lynch on another day. But no, you just offer a "Rayn guarantee". Which given your history is worth absolutely nothing.This one's a wagon of justice, folks. Except that i am pretty good in finding scum.
ROFL
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On November 22 2013 10:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Aquanim is annoying. He wants me to talk about past games and how i did succeed in them as town.
Not a townie midset, purposely trying to make me mad. If Koshi was in this game that dude would get lynched right away!
What, because Koshi is your pet dog who plays "Fetch" and "Gnaw" at your command? Stop insinuating shit and come at me or lie down and die.
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On November 22 2013 10:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Just kill Mocsta, Bereft and JJD. If the game goes on kill Aquanim (i am gonna write bad words like i already did - but after game - i was able to hold myself back as i don't wanna get banned).
ggnore, ezpz.
Pretty sure he's 0/4 or at best 1/4 with these reads. His suspicions of Mocsta are based on some bogus scumslip and a fair dose of shitty OMGUS. Rayn's case on JJD looks good until you realise none of his points are actually in any way shown by what he's quoted. Bereft's conceivably scum but I doubt it - this post is towny as f***:
On November 22 2013 07:56 Bereft wrote:
I will be shocked -- SHOCKED -- if rayn flips town. but not sorry.
Rean, you caught up on the thread yet? HF, how far along are you?
And I'm not scum.
All of these flaws with his reads are things I've adressed repeatedly already but Rayn doesn't even care. All of his reads are awful, and awful in ways I think even rayn should be able to understand.
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I could go with lynching Rean, Onegu or Corazon. Don't like lynching Holyflare because he's been discussed so little that we'd learn next to nothing from it.
I'd still prefer Rayn though.
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On November 22 2013 10:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:can someone tell Aquanim to not post if he does not have anything constructive to say because i am feeling like i am talking to alakaslam and that's not good.. and will not last. If you want me to have a ban then it's okay though..
I'm driving for your lynch. I can understand why you wouldn't feel that's constructive, but then I'm again not really concerned about your opinion.
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@Thrawn
Explain to me why you think Rayn is town and I'll consider it.
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On November 22 2013 10:47 Mocsta wrote:I thought you had bigger balls. I don't want to play with Rayn anymore full stop. We had a good town environment until page 25ish and I was relaly enjoying this game. He has single handedly shit the thread and this game has completely denigrated into somethign I have no interest playing anymore. My vote is staying on Rayn. /post-game If rayn is town this game, you will be added to my personal ban list. Im pretty fucking disgusted right now.
this. I ain't gonna lie, as well as thinking he's scum I just want Rayn gone.
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On November 22 2013 10:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:And lol Mocsta, you really will look bad after my lynch
Rayn you keep saying shit like this. Explain to me how this is useful in any way.
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