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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 21 2013 19:48 GMT
#761
On November 22 2013 04:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay:
##Unvote:
##Vote: Mocsta

:facepalm:

I'm going to have to vote you out just to get you and Mocsta to stop fighting.

##Unvote:
##Vote: Raynpelikoneet
Grubby's #1 Fan
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 21 2013 19:54 GMT
#762
Here is rayn's case against mocsta without insults

Mocsta made some snide comments (pretend qt posts) about jampidampi being scum with rayn. Rayn says is mocsta is town he should be voting jampi.

iirc mocsta has never said jampi is his top scumread

Rayn is accusing Mocsta and sometimes me (I can't really tell) of voting our top scumread, rayn, an action which he said is the townie thing to do when he accused (or bussed who knows) jampi of being scummy for not voting rayn.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 21 2013 19:54 GMT
#763
Quick version:
- far too conservative and "nice", even towards me, throughout the game
- puts on tunnel glasses when i stir up the thread (more on this later)
- will not consider any motives but scum-motives to my actions which lasted ~15min (even after i explain myself)
- should know better that it does not make me scum
- scumslips (besides Bereft - who is also scum)
- after that, when i call him out for it, look at his posts. rofl. suddenly he is "willing to reconsider". suddenly Rean is town while earlier asked everyone to consolidate on him. does a meta-search on Rean at that point, why no before? rofl. that's fucking ridiculous.
- suddenly has "calmed down and is willing to discuss things with me" when it looks like i am ACTUALLY lynching myself.

Do you know how fucking terrible Mocsta will look when i get lynched? I do. Because i am making a full case still.
I am also making a full case on Bereft and JarJar. thrawn could be scum too (in case JarJar is just really dumb). He's just pushing people into thinking "don't talk to rayn, just vote for him" and at the same time saying things he knows i can't stand. But it's okay, i will not take the bait. The case will come.

Also on Mocsta, Onegu's gutreads are actually really really good. I trust him on this, also because i am really sure he is town because he can't make a coherent case but still has strong reads. That's town Onegu.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 21 2013 19:57 GMT
#764
Also Mocsta is not really doing anything to find scum, all he is saying is "there there children, play nice".
Just read his filter.

now sauna, cya in an hour.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 21 2013 20:00 GMT
#765
This lynch is so stupid. I can't believe you guys let Mocsta take you by the balls and vote out Rayn just because they were having an ego fight.
Grubby's #1 Fan
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 21 2013 20:16 GMT
#766
Basic Vote Count


cDgCorazon (0): thrawn2112, Mocsta, sciberbia, Onegu
Aquanim (2): thrawn2112. Mocsta, jampidampi, cDgCorazon, Rean, raynpelikoneet
Rean (0): Aquanim, JarJarDrinks, raynpelikoneet, Bereft, Mocsta, thrawn2112
Onegu (1): sciberbia
Bereft (0): raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet
Mocsta (0): raynpelikoneet
raynpelikoneet (6): thrawn2112, Mocsta. Aquanim, JarJarDrinks, Bereft, raynpelikoneet, cDgCorazon
jampidampi (0): raynpelikoneet
Mocsta (2): Onegu, raynpelikoneet



No one is currently set to be lynched.

12 players alive means 7 votes to lynch. If you find an error in the vote count, please let me know.

Day 1 ends in at 03:00 GMT (+00:00)
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
November 21 2013 20:31 GMT
#767
On November 22 2013 05:00 cDgCorazon wrote:
This lynch is so stupid. I can't believe you guys let Mocsta take you by the balls and vote out Rayn just because they were having an ego fight.
I wanted to lynch Rean. Rayn decided jump on the grenade. And now he pretty much wants to lynch ANYONE else.

I think him "marytring" himself is bullshit. As evidenced by the fact that he only kept his vote on himself for a little bit and unvoted as soon as Onegu voted for mocsta so he could see if he could get people to rally behind that lynch.

Even though he had just said 8 minutes prior "I actually wanna get lynched and i am willing to lynch myself"
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 21 2013 20:39 GMT
#768
Half-time! God i love sauna!

I voted for someone else because Corazon asked me to and he seems desperate about the situation. I like that and i wanted to obey his wish because of that.

thrawn if you are town i ask you the following: (1) What's your current read on Jampidampi? (2) Pretend for a second i am not in the game (what i mean is ignore the me <-> others shitstorm), who are your top 2 scumreads and why?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 21 2013 20:40 GMT
#769
Oh also JarJar tell me how does that make me scum?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 21 2013 20:41 GMT
#770
I don't really understand because you are voting me for martyring and then you say my martyring is bullshit. Why do you actually think i am scum?
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JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
November 21 2013 20:55 GMT
#771
I think you're scum because of your hard-defending of Rean. I can't see a town motive for you to go apeshit about how we're mislynching him. You just can't be that sure about someone that you thought was scum @ one point. I think he's your scumbuddy and you're doing everything you can to keep him out of the noose.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 21 2013 20:59 GMT
#772
On November 22 2013 05:55 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I think you're scum because of your hard-defending of Rean. I can't see a town motive for you to go apeshit about how we're mislynching him. You just can't be that sure about someone that you thought was scum @ one point. I think he's your scumbuddy and you're doing everything you can to keep him out of the noose.

First of all that's not what your posts imply. You did not vote for me for defending Rean. You voted me for something else.
If you think i am scum because of defending him that can't possibly be true if Rean is not scum. Therefore you should be voting for Rean and not me.

/dunked

##Unvote:
##Vote: JarJarDrinks
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 21 2013 21:01 GMT
#773
Also if you seriously think i would lynch myself over Rean (if we were scumbuddies) you are out of your mind. Having played with me in a game where i was scum and did whatever i wanted in thread i just can't believe that.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 21 2013 21:03 GMT
#774
Second of all look at how "apeshit" i go when i think a townie is getting lynched.
I present you, the filter of raynpelikoneet in Desert mini mafia end of D1. (you can probably look for yourself, i'm not doing all the work for you scumbag).
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JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
November 21 2013 21:06 GMT
#775
On November 22 2013 05:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you think i am scum because of defending him that can't possibly be true if Rean is not scum. Therefore you should be voting for Rean and not me.

/dunked
lol. So I should be voting for Rean even though my vote wouid be totally wasted there instead of for you who is also a scumread of mine?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
November 21 2013 21:09 GMT
#776
On November 22 2013 06:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also if you seriously think i would lynch myself over Rean (if we were scumbuddies) you are out of your mind.
I don't think that's what you're trying to do. I think you're trying to not get either of you lynched. Like I've been saying, you don't care who gets lynched, as long as it isn't one of you 2.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 21 2013 21:25 GMT
#777
On November 22 2013 06:06 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 05:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you think i am scum because of defending him that can't possibly be true if Rean is not scum. Therefore you should be voting for Rean and not me.

/dunked
lol. So I should be voting for Rean even though my vote wouid be totally wasted there instead of for you who is also a scumread of mine?

No, you just said i am scum because i am defending my scumbuddy Rean. That's your reason for thinking i am scum. You just said so. That's where your thought process and actions contradicts. You should be voting for Rean, not me. Because you don't have a scumread on me if Rean is not scum, which you possibly can't know unless you flip him (also you have a "real" scumread on him - your scumread on me is connection based, by your own words).

Therefore you are scum. There are more reasons but this is the most damning and no townie ever thinks like this.
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JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
November 21 2013 21:25 GMT
#778
On November 22 2013 05:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 05:55 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I think you're scum because of your hard-defending of Rean. I can't see a town motive for you to go apeshit about how we're mislynching him. You just can't be that sure about someone that you thought was scum @ one point. I think he's your scumbuddy and you're doing everything you can to keep him out of the noose.

First of all that's not what your posts imply. You did not vote for me for defending Rean. You voted me for something else.
If you think i am scum because of defending him that can't possibly be true if Rean is not scum. Therefore you should be voting for Rean and not me.

/dunked

##Unvote:
##Vote: JarJarDrinks

also this is the post I made right before I changed my vote to you:
On November 21 2013 23:32 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 23:21 jampidampi wrote:
How does admitting mistakes make someone town? You seem quite certain that he is in fact town.
Especially since Rayn had a scumread on Rean earlier in the day. Basically the fact that Rean admitted he made a mistake makes Rayn switch from thinking he's scum, to balls out hardcore defending him.
So yes I sure as heck DID imply that I thought your defense or Rean was scummy.

wanna try again?
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 21 2013 21:26 GMT
#779
Your logic is bad ≠ you are scum
You should know better, Rayn
Grubby's #1 Fan
Rean
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands808 Posts
November 21 2013 21:38 GMT
#780
Hey, been in bed most of today with a headache, trying to catch up but it'll take a while
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