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One last thing before i am off for a while.
Mocsta and Bereft [u]literally claimed scum. There is no question about it. As they are saying they do not believe my actions a wwhile ago were because of what i explained later on, they can't retract from their scumclaims - because "that's not what townies do". This is pretty clear. There is no way they were gauging reactions or something because my actions couldn't be interpreted in any other light but scummy. There is no way for them to bullshit themselves out of this one.
Therefore you should lynch me. When i flip town it is 100% confirmed that Mocsta and Bereft both claimed scum.[/b]
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On November 22 2013 02:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No actually this is the best way to go:
##Unvote:
##Vote: raynpelikoneet
This proves Mocsta and Bereft are scum. 2 scum for 1 town is a good trade.
I'll make a case on the third one near deadline. I gotta go move my little brother now. cya later.
God your annoying...
I asked the question because I am in a headspace where I can look at you without emotion.
I am trying to figure out the motives for your continued trolling since your "confrontation" vote.
Considering a majority hasn't been reached & people reading (Onegu/jampi) haven't voted - you are not under a *great* deal of pressure.
As town, under thread of a mislynch: I would expect you to pull the finger out and start producing cases.
You already said you don't want me dead; yet keep going out of your way to antagonise me.
Unless you think I am scum, I don't see how your actions can line up with a town mentality.
Small tidbit, whilst looking for Rayn in the TL db to check mislynch history, i saw Rean:
Insane Mafia 2 Town Police Tough Guy Killed Night 2
TL Mafia XXXVIII Town Vanilla Town Killed Night 3
Sleeper Cell Mafia Mafia Sleeper Agent Modkilled Day 1
Pick Their Power Mafia Town Psychic Survived
I know Sleepcell is from 2011 but check teh filter
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=210416&user=Rean&view=all
He has like 2 posts, but they are SO aggressive.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227186&user=Rean&view=all
In Pick Their Poewr he is quite casual and short posts.
Rean gameplay doesnt really fit into either of those filters + its from 2011 and things change.
BUT, what i do think is that it shows quite clearly his mentality when scum.
Hesistant to talk, and high-strung/angry.
I think Rean is probably town.
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On November 22 2013 02:31 Bereft wrote:
I don't see how mocsta's question is a scum claim. he's giving you the opportunity to get some benefit of the doubt. which is pretty generous IMO. He's trying to say that Mocs use of the word before means that Moc is saying that if rayn is lynched to day it will be a mislynch.
It's a total misrepresentation of what Moc is saying.
Like I could ask you "Have you ever been skydiving before?" even if we aren't currently skydiving.
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I'm going to bed.
I got no idea where we are with majority.
If we can't get a consensus I'm really happy with a lynch on jampidampi.
His filter is worlds apart from "Nuclear .... <insert> <insert>
Either way its 2am, im dog tired and brain is half awake.
I will be back about 1hr from deadline -- hopefully town is organised by then.
See you guys in 6-7hrs.
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Catching up with thread now, give me a bit 
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Anything obvious I should look out for?
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On November 22 2013 02:39 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 02:31 Bereft wrote:
I don't see how mocsta's question is a scum claim. he's giving you the opportunity to get some benefit of the doubt. which is pretty generous IMO. He's trying to say that Mocs use of the word before means that Moc is saying that if rayn is lynched to day it will be a mislynch. It's a total misrepresentation of what Moc is saying. Like I could ask you "Have you ever been skydiving before?" even if we aren't currently skydiving.
Maybe this guy is scum.
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Just because look at the last line.
At the time of the comment Mocsta was dead set on lynching me, had his vote on me and wouldn't listen to any other argument. So the " even if we aren't currently skydiving" is a laughable misrepresentation from JarJar.
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Replace the word with "skydiving" or "mislynching you" and you will see my point.
Yeah i am pretty sure JarJar is scum too.
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Yeah okay i am quite sure JArJArDrinks is mafia. Case incoming after sauna.
Mocsta and Bereft still stands.
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On November 22 2013 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Just because look at the last line.
At the time of the comment Mocsta was dead set on lynching me, had his vote on me and wouldn't listen to any other argument. So the " even if we aren't currently skydiving" is a laughable misrepresentation from JarJar.
What are you talking about?
You were trying to imply that Moc asking this question:
"Have you been mislynched before?"
meant the same as:
"Is this the first time you're being mislynched?"
That is a total misrepresentation.
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Nah you are scum i am not talking to you and that is a scumslip.
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On November 22 2013 01:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you are a town leader as you have acted like and think i am the best lynch then fucking convince people of it. If you think Rean is the best lynch convince people of it. You will be held accountable for your actions anyways. thrawn acts like a town leader but when shit gets real he takes the easy way out, and that is bullshit, ecpecially considering the dude claims he can read me. Either he has no clue what he is talking about or he is scum.
I want to lynch Jampidampi because i think he is scum and Rean is not. In case you, Mocsta, think i am scum i suggest you join the wagon because if you lynch me you'll see a town flip and then you are in deep shit because you failed to listen to the town leader you are supposed to be good at reading and you did not lynch "his 100% scumbuddy" you were okay with lynching with before. Same can be said about thrawn.
The thread is stuck in a loop. Anytime someone talks to rayn or talks about lynching him, he insults them or calls them scum. His favorite tactic so far has been saying what reads people should be making and ends it by "and if they don't agree they're scum"
He is getting lynched. There is little reasoning for any of his thoughts or reads, and most of the reasoning is accompanied by insults that distract you and make you think his posts sound more intelligent than they are. He is trying to make his filter worthless to town after he flips red.
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Ok here we go. My notes on everyone.
Thrawn1221
+ Show Spoiler +Null first troll post
Cora vote was really wierd same with his unvote
Dont like his trolly interaction with mocsta but its null
Case on Aqua is better, he also follows it up later with questions.
His response to JJD about cora I liked alot giving his thought process on the event
Votes rean with no reason
Points out coras lie isnt alignment indicative which I agree
Points on LM and Jamp are good but in the case of LM thats how he always plays.
Then changes LM thoughts saying it doesnt mean much and talks about him being replaced- town points
Can understand his rayn vote, bjt think je is wrong
Rean
+ Show Spoiler + First post comes into thread saying he agrees with cora but never actually says what he agrees with-very scummy
Doesnt answer questions veey clearly
Makes a terrible post on me being scum but not likeing my wagon
Either evades questions or only responds exactly what was asked doesnt volenteer any info
When responding to the wishy washy post he made being called out gives another wishy washy post saying Im very scummy but I could just be stupid, then says I am a distraction.
Says if Aqua flips town Im a good lynch the next day. How are me and Aqua connected how am I not a good lynch reguardless of aquas flip
Scummy
JarJarDrinks
+ Show Spoiler +Agree with almost all of his thoughts, we think almost the same things
Defends me to sciberia
Calls out rayns bad case on aqua
Tunnels onto rayn and is fairly open to why he is doing so
CDgCorazon
+ Show Spoiler +
Didnt like his thing on sciberia and the mason thing, sci could have just not refreshed
Says rean is scummy and the points on him are valid but he shouldnt be voted-scum points
Agrees that my posts dont care how they are precieved but still has a scumread on me
Calls bereft out for calling out rayn for sleeping, but bereft doesnt call rayn scummy in that post just asks him a question.
Doesnt read carefully thinking I made a case on him when it was a case on mocsta so obviously he didnt read all.
Despite this I cannot shake the feeling he is town
Bereft
+ Show Spoiler +
Calls out mocsta for troll posts, first to do so.
Rean vote is ok, reasons arent great, better reasons other people are voteing him but meh
Makes a unreadable post with one of his scum reads then votes him after.
Also doesnt read my post clearly thinking its a cora case, even though he claims to have read my filter.
His reads are ok.
thoughts on why rayn is scum but dont agree. Also rayn useing bullshit alot isnt alignment indicative for him
Rayn
+ Show Spoiler +
Calls out posts not needed to be called out like aqua not voteing his top scum read
Rayn calling me scum but not looking at past mini games, his meta reads on me are so bad
Doesnt look like he believes his case on aqua, harping the same point over and over when that point isnt scummy
The post where rayn calls out aqua for his spicydinosaur post was really good
Then he somewhat defemds me, but uses correct meta
Calls out sciberia, I like this post as town,
Calls out bereft also like but I disagree
Disagree with almost all of his reads, but post where he calls out mocsta for my meta was good
Post on if him and Jamp are both scum then lynch jamp first is actually townie for rayn, but not anyone else
Calls out mocsta for the cora vote to consolidate as its townie post town points
Unless is trying to do what I did in WC as scum which I dont see he really is town
Rayn saying those are scumclaims, wrong, but from a town rayn
Mocsta+ Show Spoiler +
Puts a post restriction on himself then procedes to troll the first multiple posts.
Gives three people scum reads on first page then says until other half of thread posts scummy
Takes away post restriction after cora calls himoit, but why keep it going in the first place looks like he planned on really doing it otherwise number posts
His thread recap his reads are the almost exact opposite of how I read the thread
His meta analysis of me is best I have seen, he is aware that I adapt my scum games to change my meta to compensate dor how I habe been playing town
His post on you should make a case then leve it alone was really scummy
Randomly flips his read on me but its for a BS reason as the reason he gives I am perfectly capable of doing as scum
Not sure how he thinks my atk on marv could be different if I was scum this game and atkd him
His post calling out cora for not voteing is so scummy saying reans flip is so much better than anyome elses even if he is town
Wild theroy post so baddddddd
Dont like his atk on rayn.
Aquanim+ Show Spoiler +
Slightly scummy first post with bad follow up
But calling out rean early and often to answer questions is nice
His post on people that are voteing for him I like his thought process here alot.
No problem with his voteing his second stromgest scumread and his explination is fine also
Gives good responses to questions asked to him and volenteeres extra info
LM\HF lurk replace out then no posts no reads or notes other than null for LM
Sciberia+ Show Spoiler +
Makes a case on me when everyone elae was calling me scummy but not doing anything about it \townie
His defense of aquas spicydino post looks bad
His tunnel on me still looks good though
Calls out Reans wishy washy post on me being scummy but not likeing my wagon\ town poimts
Continues to call me scum even though thread thoughts habe somewhat changed and everything going on around him\ townie
His case on mocsta is ok but not greadt
Jamp
+ Show Spoiler +
Not much sticks out early to get a good read
He questions rayn about him changeing his reads, but that is what rayn does until he finds a tunnel target
Calls out aqua for failing at reading, and for aqua thinking about his image, and this is dumb because aqua announces it in thread about his image and that is how some townies play its not alignmemt indicative
But his continued assult on aqua and not much else is slightly null.
Then talks to rayn about voteing aqua.
Want to see something other than aqua now
Anyway mocsta is my biggest scumread now. Also Rayn is a terrible lynch today please change, ill try to be up for deadline but no promises. Anyway its 2:30am and typeing all that up on a tablet is difficult.
##VOTE:Mocsta
@Rayn stop marytring and come back and push your reads.
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Onegu i will, after sauna. In ~1h. Before i go there i got like ~10min so i can only post here.
I actually wanna get lynched and i am willing to lynch myself. I know i am right on some things and then everyone can be sure of those reads. I don't give a crap if thrawn yells me anything because i also wanna prove him wrong as he is "master or reading rayn". So yeah, i am effectively most likely lynching myself. I don't care what people think but people who are able to think by themselves will not vote for me. It'll be interesting to see what happens.
Hey Onegu, could you look at JarJar. Look at how he follows up his case on Rean. What do you see? Also see how he comments on other people who are up for lynch and compare that to how he is pushing Rean and how he interacts with other people. Can you tell me what's your opinion on that?
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TBH both Mocsta and Rayn look worse from this: Rayn from his random vote changes and Mocsta from his confirmation bias and his really bad conspiracy theories.
I really do not like Rayn martyring...tbh the concept of martyring has been beaten to death and I think he's just using it as a ploy to gain town cred.
Rayn, pick a lynch and stay with it. I don't want to lynch you but if you continue to vote for everyone in the thread then I will have no choice but to vote for you.
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Okay:
##Unvote:
##Vote: Mocsta
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EPT
