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On November 22 2013 09:21 Mocsta wrote:Yes (if its true) Im still catching up on the thread so do not know whether onegu is stating fact, or interpretation. Either way, if it is interpretation I don't think it was malicious,
ok, fair enough. i'm around and happy to expand or explain my thought process,
we're less than 3 hours away from a lynch, you do realize?
in my post where i wrote why i think onegu is town, i've explicitly stated that i've no idea towards the end of his massive stream of consciousness post what he's trying to say:
On November 21 2013 13:32 Bereft wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 13:11 cDgCorazon wrote:
Bereft, I would like to know why you don't think we should lynch Onegu. I was really puzzled when you threw that read out (as were others) and I just want to know why you see Onegu in a good light. When you said you thought he was town I got this feeling that we weren't reading the same game. i like that he came into the thread with a bunch of off the cuff reads -- to me this reads as careless, unstructured, bold. Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 20:28 Onegu wrote:On November 20 2013 12:50 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote:
I took a shower. Sorry for not wanting to smell bad.
Moc, I'm quite concerned that you have already used up >25% of your "self-allotted posts". If you're going to start spamming, it's going to be a problem.
Now to my goals/early game statements:
1. I'm not gonna make any meta crap posts. TBH I don't remember anyone's meta and it's ridiculously stupid logic. I'm not going to stand for it and I don't think you guys should either.
2. I'm voting for the scummiest person. My last game was Titanic and it came down to 3-4 days of "X is scum, Y/Z/Q is scum as well". That led the town way off of the path and allowed my scum team the easiest scum win in a very long time. I don't care if they're not on the two lynch trains that are going to form. It's not instant majority so as long as I feel like I'm voting for the scummiest person in my opinion, I'm going to be happy with my vote.
3. I'm going to do my best to not be just an onlooker. I'm gonna try and facilitate discussion and ask a lot of questions instead of just answering questions and throw my ideas out there and just create more chaos.
On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.
Couldn't agree more. Also, don't shit up the thread with useless spam like the LXIII game please. I tried keeping up but the amount of shit posts just trolling/making useless jokes/comments is unbearable and makes it impossible to tell low-laying scum from trolling townies. If anyone goes around posting stupid oneliners without saying anything meaningful they have my vote >.> Reans first post into the thread and it just fakes activity. He doesnt say what he agrees with and there are multiple things to agree with, does he agree with all or only some he, never actually says what points he agrees with. This is a very scummy first post. Also if mocsta didnt retract his post limit on himself I was going to call him scum, but he did and I am ok with it for now. I do want to point out he only takes it after cora points out his spam. But unlike cora I thought it was scummy, because it was a easy way to avoid conversation. The was one more post from mocsta I didnt like will find it in moment it was post 4or 5 where he gives 3 scum reads with no reason and then says half the thread hasnt posted so his reads can change. Coras case on Sciberia is terribad and scummy. Anyway rean is really scumm though. Sorry Im at the mall but when I am home I will catchup on both of my games and be up late playing. Ill be checking in periodicly while Im at the mall though. if he's scum, this is not at all a "safe" post to bust into the thread with. i think it's on point that he calls mocsta's thread presence out. i really want to believe moc is town, but i keep seeing small red flags embedded in his posts. he's the first person to really do this, and if scum, i think this is also pretty bold because mocsta's obviously an aggressive player. i was accused of being scum and attempting to disrupt a town circle for telling mocsta to explain himself. he gives me a very very slight town lean (exact phrasing "starting to look better") at a time when it's totally unnecessary to do so, considering everyone else would most likely have slotted me into the "lurker, null, need to hear more from" category if prodded. admittedly his last post is a jumbled mess and i have no idea what he's saying with this:Show nested quote +Im going to go over your reads here and just ask you how you came to these because alot were null to me or the exact opposite of what you wrote so lets go.
1 hes trying to be clever there is nothing to be overdone and there is no way a troll post like this can be scummy, fuck the police was already taken...
2 why cant sciberia find the repeat and calling of you obv town scummy, but your troll post null as it was the first post in the thread? You getting that it is scum-scum interaction I dont understand how you get that read from this post.
3 how is this agressive, you put a pregame post restriction, then start the game numbering your posts, seems like you are going to keep your post restriction up. Calling you out for it isnt agressive its correct when all your first few posts are trolling.
4 this is fine
5 he made a troll response how is that overcompensated? Doesnt make sense and him not thinking the same as you is a scum read?
6 the first part of this is correct that post was null, the second part you can only get so much info from the first page and alot of page one was trolling. Telling someone to keep looking isnt scummy, its not damage control.
7 How is this a scumslip, 2 different people thought you were masons, I know you kinda think they are both scum at this point, but when you drop lines about being connected with thrawn people might think you are masoned, no way this is a scumslip.
8 again not a scumslip
9 reans first post is uber scummy. It fakes agreeing with coras null post, and then says nothing and there is no way he thinks he is saying something meaningful.
10 iirc you had already said you werent masons so he says the only other option how is that townie?
12 meh ok
12b also fine
13 you do the samething later on when you talking about haveing such a good town atmospher so how can you give him scum points for this?
14 syas nothing why you post this, I dont know his meta so this poat means nothing...
15 still dont know how you are seeing scum scum intreactions here. Maybe you are just tunneled at this point. Also at this point you say you like aqua calling out rean.
16 again why post a completely null post?
17 This is fine, but you are like he agrees with me that mean hes awesome town
18 this has been talked about already, why are you so tunneled on scum-scum here doesnt make since.
19 the post is good that means the timeing is fine also, even if I am argueing with someone and I see something that needs questioned I will question it reguardless of what else is going on
20 admit to being tunneled
21 this is fine
22 tunneled
23 meh no point in continueing on with cora, him moveing on is fine and how he did it was fine.
24 really wishywashy post but also slightly dinstanceing himself from rean while giveing him a town read at the same time. I think this is really scummy from you mocsta. Your thoughts on rean is just really odd. but i do think it's a very strong point in his favor that his posts are coming off as being written with a lack of care as to how they'd be perceived.
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On November 22 2013 08:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 08:29 Bereft wrote:On November 22 2013 08:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 22 2013 08:12 Bereft wrote:On November 22 2013 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is everyone saying "rayn is scum because he does not give a fuck about who we lynch as long as that is not Rean"?
How does that make me scum? do you need it spelled out for you? why do you care so much about potentially mislynching Rean, but you don't have ANY qualms about lynching anyone else in the game? you DO realize it's not 2 town vs. 10 mafia, right? who's your strongest town read after Rean? Onegu? and how about after that? also, it's pretty obvious so I don't know why it begs repeating, but it's the job of every responsible townie to not throw away their vote and get a majority lynch on a scum read right now. scib, I'm looking at you. WHY THE FUCK DO YOU CARE ABOUT MY TOWNREADS? WHAT'S THIS POST ABOUT? I just made a post on my top lynch target, and you ask me about fucking townreads. Well here you go. Onegu is town Rean is town Lonemeow/Holyflare is town Jampidampi is town Corazon is town sciberbia is most likely town Aquanim is most likely town there. because you've just about claimed everyone here is scum so your scum reads are a useless metric. your reads change every five minutes based on convenience anyways and I'm going to nail you to the fucking wall with them once I get home. No they don't. They change after i interact with people and based on what they say. Unlike yours. <3
please. your list of townies are either:
(a) people who aren't voting for you
(b) people who are voting for you but you think you can sway otherwise.
On November 22 2013 08:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah and Mocsta might be town.
how else did mocsta go from being definite scum buddies with me to being possibly town from this ONE post???
On November 22 2013 08:07 Mocsta wrote:
@Sciberbia, jamidampi, rean
Why are you not voting Raynpelikoneet?
guys i went back and checked the thread. particularly pages 40 to 41. rayn goes from being extremely confident that mocsta is scum to falling on blatant pathos towards mocsta when all mocsta had said since coming back to the thread after going to bed the night before is the post above. so how has his read changed so drastically? if we are to take his change of heart seriously, it means that THAT ONE POST BY MOCSTA CHANGED HIS MIND.
he essentially goes from:
On November 22 2013 02:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
One last thing before i am off for a while.
Mocsta and Bereft [u]literally claimed scum. There is no question about it. As they are saying they do not believe my actions a wwhile ago were because of what i explained later on, they can't retract from their scumclaims - because "that's not what townies do". This is pretty clear. There is no way they were gauging reactions or something because my actions couldn't be interpreted in any other light but scummy. There is no way for them to bullshit themselves out of this one.
Therefore you should lynch me. When i flip town it is 100% confirmed that Mocsta and Bereft both claimed scum.
to
On November 22 2013 08:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 08:21 Mocsta wrote:On November 22 2013 08:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And that means thrawn is scum. I was contemplating this last night too. For me its the dwindling activity - will have to push him for more. All he does is shit on me. And in the same sentence he tell people to not talk about me  If you are town i can guarantee thrawn is scum. But, plz, we need to lynch JJD. Mocsta, you know me, i do dumb (looking) stuff as town. But i have reasons for it. I have given my reasons. All these people i have never played before do not understand it. Look at Jampidampi, look at Onegu. They know my shit. They are not votingfor me. Why? They know what i do is not scumlike. Fuck jampidampi's behavior when i went "batshit crazy" on him was so 100% town. He knows NWM. He knows me and thinks critically. Apparenty you at least attempted to do so. haha. For a second think about it. If you can't understand it then okay, i fucked up. Then you vote for me. That's not the end of the world and i still have my reads to offer. But JJD - i tell you - he is scum. He is so very scum i suggest you read my case on him.
again, the only thing mocsta had poste when rayn starts to change his mind is the one i quoted.
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@scib, i will agree that my stance on onegu has changed since yesterday and he's been completely useless. but i don't think he's a better lynch than rayn at the moment. i can't find any aspect of rayn's posting rational as a townie, and i've tried. i don't care if shit flinging is his usual style of playing. the bottom line is that there is no townie SENSE or LOGIC behind any of his shit flinging in this case. it does not make any sense for him to behave like this.
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On November 22 2013 10:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holyflare is also 100% town.
hahaha. classic. anyone who thinks you are town is town.
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On November 22 2013 10:03 sciberbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 10:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also do not EVER let people push lynches on people who defended me.
Like Cora, Onegu, scib.
That's bullshit. They are right, they know what they are talking about.
NEVER LET MOCSTA LYNCH THOSE PPL BASED ON "YOU KNEW RAYN WAS TOWN" WHICH HE IS GONNA TRY! You know Cora's vote is on you right now, right?
see my post on his criteria on how he determines town. cora falls into the (b) category of people who are voting with him but are unhappy with his lynch, ie. people he thinks he has a chance of swaying away from voting him.
notice how mocsta has fallen back into the guaranteed scum category after he was unmoving towards rayn's appeal to pathos.
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On November 22 2013 10:04 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 10:01 Bereft wrote:
@scib, i will agree that my stance on onegu has changed since yesterday and he's been completely useless. but i don't think he's a better lynch than rayn at the moment. i can't find any aspect of rayn's posting rational as a townie, and i've tried. i don't care if shit flinging is his usual style of playing. the bottom line is that there is no townie SENSE or LOGIC behind any of his shit flinging in this case. it does not make any sense for him to behave like this. But do you think he's playing scummily? It is very easy to lynch someone saying that you can't see their posts as coming from town. And I disagree because I actually can see town rayn doing this even if I'm not convinced it's the case.What do you think about this? Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 09:06 thrawn2112 wrote:
For now, ##unvote because i'm scared that rayn is town because his comment about his play in desert somewhat convinced me that what he's doing could be town rayn play.. for all who don't know, near the end of the D1 lynch rayn fakeclaimed something to try and save a guy from getting lynched, a guy rayn had a town read on.... and that wasn't the only time that game he fakeclaimed to try and force his will upon the thread.
yes, i think he's playing scummy. his cases are built on air and yet he's 100% certain myself and quite a few others are scum -- UNLESS of course it suits him to be nice to them. how can he be 100% certain mocsta, jjd, and I are scum? i wouldn't even place my confidence interval on whether i think HE is scum that high, and i feel strongly about this lynch.
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On November 22 2013 10:15 sciberbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 10:00 Aquanim wrote:
His reads are changing from post to post, there's no consistency to them at all, let alone a single unified tunnel-visioned argument. And if his reads are changing from one post to the next, I can't see how you can claim he has ridiculous conviction in this game, even if he claims he does. Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 10:01 Bereft wrote:
@scib, i will agree that my stance on onegu has changed since yesterday and he's been completely useless. but i don't think he's a better lynch than rayn at the moment. i can't find any aspect of rayn's posting rational as a townie, and i've tried. i don't care if shit flinging is his usual style of playing. the bottom line is that there is no townie SENSE or LOGIC behind any of his shit flinging in this case. it does not make any sense for him to behave like this. @Aquanim, Bereft You could apply these descriptions of his play even more accurately to past games where he was town. Here are some quotes from rayn's filter on D1 of ego mini mafia where he is town. Notice that he somehow has ridiculous conviction in his reads, even though they are changing almost every half hour. And oftentimes he didn't even give a reason. + Show Spoiler [rayn] +On April 05 2013 09:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sciberbia wants to claim or fakeclaim a miller. ggyo. ::E
Vote: Sciberbia On April 05 2013 09:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
kill WoS? better? On April 05 2013 09:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
oh fuck, just kill sciberbia.
and then WoS. GG. On April 05 2013 09:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Unvote: sciberbia
##Vote: WaveOfShadow On April 05 2013 10:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: iamperfection On April 05 2013 10:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can we kill WoS? On April 05 2013 10:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 10:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hey Axle, if you're still around, what do you make of rayn flitting about the thread thus far?
I liken him unto a chicken without a head, spraying blood and entrails wherever his dying nervous system directs him. Personally I am loathe to pay him any more mind than this but it would be nice to get a fresh opinion on the matter before partaking of other more worldly pursuits. Read this shit.. :E On April 05 2013 10:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Unvote: iamperfection
##Vote: Wave Of Shadow
guaranteed scum D1. On April 05 2013 11:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Unvote: Wave Of Shadow
##Vote: AxleGreaser
Okay this is the best lynch. Look at his lat post rofl. On April 05 2013 11:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sry. iwas kinda fucked up.
##Unvote: AxleGreaser
##Vote: Wave of Shadow On April 06 2013 10:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: sciberbia On April 06 2013 11:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yeah sciberia is mafia, can we just kill him? On April 07 2013 03:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'm starting to think WoS is actually town.. Cna we lynch sci? On April 07 2013 08:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay, i want to kill Ace... Here's a link to the full filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&user=raynpelikoneet
i skimmed it, but i'm not seeing it. perhaps i'm tunneled, but the tone of voice, the way he approaches the thread and pushes his reads are totally different.
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but your reads keep changing! how are we supposed to know which are the most current ones?!
looks like aqua has gone from scum to town back to scum when he shows no indication of being swayed. lol.
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scib, here's the thing. i am not unwilling to compromise. it's not like i have no doubt in my mind. but rayn is not just my strongest read -- i don't see any value in keeping him around. as i stated when i voted for him, i think he's incredibly antitown with a terribly off-putting attitude. of course that attitude is gone now that he's under fire, but i think the way he busted into this thread on his high horse around page 33 is unacceptable.
On November 22 2013 00:15 Bereft wrote:
basically I agree 100% with what thrawn said. rayns acting in a manner that makes it quite unlikely he's town, but in the off chance that he is, his attitude is horrible and I'd much rather have Rean around than him.
if you can give me a strong case on why rayn is town and worth keeping around and why onegu/rean/cora are a better lynch, i will consider it.
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EBWOP - but it will have to be a fucking good argument, like champion of high school debate team worthy
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On November 22 2013 08:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:Rean you better be town this gme, otherwise i look so fucking bad to everyone playing mafia on TL
i also think this post is really fking weird.
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HolyFlare you are looking really suspect. i understand you only joined the game a few hours ago, but you are being worthless right now.
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who's the whiny little girl? JAR JAR??? boy you trippin
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Cora, are you fucking kidding me? You think a no-lynch is more beneficial than lynching Rayn?
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Aqua, I agree. hands up - who is willing to lynch Cora? I am.
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holyflare is there any chance you'd be willing to vote rayn? even if not voting rayn means a no lynch? how about you, scib?
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On November 22 2013 11:16 sciberbia wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Bereft] +On November 22 2013 10:59 Bereft wrote:scib, here's the thing. i am not unwilling to compromise. it's not like i have no doubt in my mind. but rayn is not just my strongest read -- i don't see any value in keeping him around. as i stated when i voted for him, i think he's incredibly antitown with a terribly off-putting attitude. of course that attitude is gone now that he's under fire, but i think the way he busted into this thread on his high horse around page 33 is unacceptable. Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 00:15 Bereft wrote:
basically I agree 100% with what thrawn said. rayns acting in a manner that makes it quite unlikely he's town, but in the off chance that he is, his attitude is horrible and I'd much rather have Rean around than him. if you can give me a strong case on why rayn is town and worth keeping around and why onegu/rean/cora are a better lynch, i will consider it. @Bereft I can't make a strong case that rayn is town, as I'm honestly not sure what to expect from a scum rayn, but I do think that everything I've seen from him this game town rayn is capable of doing. Also I don't like the idea of lynching someone because "if he's town then he's worthless so it's a win-win". I dislike it in general. And specifically to rayn, if this helps you not lynch him, the last two times I've played with town rayn he has contributed significantly to town after questionable day 1's. There's nothing more for me to say about onegu, cora, and rean as they are all NOT HERE, which should be telling. What is holding you back from lynching them?
also, it's not so relevant now that Cora has unvoted, but I drew you this:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/nsg2TE5.png)
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hey obvious, the vote count on rayn is 5.
guys, we need +2 on this. Cora, why do you think a no lynch is better than a rayn lynch? do you really think NOTHING rayn has posted warrants suspicion???
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either the 5 of us voting Rayn need to ALL switch to Cora, or 2 need to switch to Rayn to get a lynch today. we have 15 minutes - guys, what are you thinking?
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Rean, don't throw away your vote like that.
HF, scib we have about 5 minutes so i suggest you switch to rayn now and we take a hard look at cora tomorrow. i don't think it's feasible to get all 5 of us currently voting rayn to switch in the last 5 minutes.
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