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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 27 2013 05:06 GMT
#2366
U and holy are ruining this game.

Gm is a good host and deserves better than this.

You need to cook down and reread the last 3 pages.

Holy has scum claimed with how he keeps taking pot shots.


Look how he uses MY VT role pm to call you out for a fake claim.
Turns out he was right, but why is my role pm valid if he thinks I'm scum


Holyflare can play decent town. Even if he is time poor he doesn't have to be like this.


Again I want to know why you chose scibs. I also want to know why your opinion changed from. NIght 1 to day2...wtf??
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 27 2013 05:07 GMT
#2369
On November 27 2013 14:06 cDgCorazon wrote:
If this town cared about winning JJD and Rayn would still be alive.

Says the guy that participated

I'm going to say this politely.

Stop being a CUNT
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 27 2013 05:08 GMT
#2370
On November 27 2013 14:07 cDgCorazon wrote:
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On November 27 2013 14:06 Mocsta wrote:
U and holy are ruining this game.

Gm is a good host and deserves better than this.

You need to cook down and reread the last 3 pages.

Holy has scum claimed with how he keeps taking pot shots.


Look how he uses MY VT role pm to call you out for a fake claim.
Turns out he was right, but why is my role pm valid if he thinks I'm scum


Holyflare can play decent town. Even if he is time poor he doesn't have to be like this.


Again I want to know why you chose scibs. I also want to know why your opinion changed from. NIght 1 to day2...wtf??

I got a green check on him. Or did he?

I'm a good player and I deserve better than this, Mocsta.

Deserve better than what.

U said u were cop and checked scibs.

I checked ya filter and yes your attitude on scibs flipped after a check period.

Now you say you fake claimed.. I demand an explanation for the attitude shift on scibs
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 27 2013 05:13 GMT
#2375
On November 27 2013 14:10 cDgCorazon wrote:
Well too bad Mocsta, you're not getting an explanation. Boo Hoo

How convenient.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 27 2013 05:21 GMT
#2380
On November 27 2013 14:14 cDgCorazon wrote:
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On November 27 2013 14:13 Mocsta wrote:
On November 27 2013 14:10 cDgCorazon wrote:
Well too bad Mocsta, you're not getting an explanation. Boo Hoo

How convenient.

Vote me then. I know you want to.

Im still making up my mind.

Your fake claim has lots of issues if I am to believe u were that confirmation biased to do it.

Even worse, if holy really is town the game is lost already because I'm not scum. So I'm very stuck with how to move forward.


The issues I have with your fake claim is you claimed BEFOrE the nks.
If you were and flipped green, why would we lynch onegu on your word??
Thread sentiment already shifted onto a default onegu lynch.

What you did has zero value as town... As scum there is massive value

I have to believe that you are that pig headed that you would do a fake claim with zero benefit to town to accept this at face value...


I mean fuck. In Hogwarts as town I fake counter claimed to lynch a doctor.. but in my opinion this is even worse than that play.


I'm almost considering voting off chezinu as safest vote.
I'm really undecided between holy/Cora.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 27 2013 05:29 GMT
#2385
On November 27 2013 14:24 Bereft wrote:
holy is scum. cora is town.

alright public announcement. listen up scummers:

whoever piles on first onto the HF train will be saved for last.

Can u read the last post on the previous page.

Do u get where I'm coming from.

Do u think he is pig headed enough?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 27 2013 06:06 GMT
#2388
Trying to think through this clearly:

Regardless of how poorly executed Corazon fake-claim was, I can not shake the feeling that Holyflare is a shark ready to pounce on anything to not be voted. Everything about him just feels fake and contrived.

I can imagine Corazon becoming frustrated enough to fake-claim. Whilst his reasons are completely different to my own in Hogwarts; I think want to believe this is possible from him as town. It is certainly true that he was openly frustrated with the lack of traction. The story is fitting.

I am very confident about a lynch on Chezinu. Aside from my case on jampidampi; Chezinu has offered no value to this town.

Between Onegu/Slam I am undecided. The easy call is that Onegu is scum and Slam is a complacent (and busy) townie that should not have replaced into this game based on schedules.

This simple solution provides a good reason for the tag-team effort between Holyflare/Onegu all game.

That Holy had a scum read on me, and how quick he was to drop that read to pursue Corazon suggests to me that Corazon *is* town and Holy *is* scum. Anything to secure a MYLO victory.



Corazon
I think logically, that Holyflare is the best lynch for today.

If going to go out on a limb and state that tomorrow, if we can not achieve consolidation 2hrs before the lynch.
I will consider *very* strongly to lynch Onegu.

For now my vote remains.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 27 2013 06:29 GMT
#2392
Yeah. Same conclusion scib.

Cept I don't see chezinu being blue.


Well it's 5 to vote. So unless Corazon votes with us, it's gg

Hence why I would consider voting onegu if Corazon is going to throw this game away out of spite.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 27 2013 06:46 GMT
#2394
An apology note for what.

He's the one bullying us.

Like mafia isn't a game of a townie gets their lynch.
It's a game to lynch scum and occassionally policy lynch town.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 27 2013 06:57 GMT
#2396
If he's cop. Who'd he check?

I missed the claim so guess I haven't been reading him carefully.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 27 2013 11:00 GMT
#2403
Lol.. this game...
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 27 2013 11:38 GMT
#2409
On November 27 2013 20:33 Onegu wrote:

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On November 26 2013 09:43 cDgCorazon wrote:
Ok, can I explain why Onegu's interaction with me was a full on scumclaim? Unlike others, I'm not talking about the writing style or the words used, I'm talking about the facts presented in his posts.

First of all:
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On November 26 2013 06:25 Onegu wrote:
On November 21 2013 01:00 cDgCorazon wrote:
When did I say that sciberia was bad town? Please find a post where I said he was bad town.

I didn't vote for sciberia because 0% of wagons in the first 2 hours of a game actually get to the deadline? None. What is the point of vote-jumping? It just allows people to skim my cases once they see the bold vote and only really look at it once it's my turn to be under the gun. Voting for people at this stage is pretty useless because it's not going to get a lynch going. I guarantee you that our reads and opinions are going to change before the deadline and it's useless to lock yourself in (or at least making a statement saying you are going to) 2 hours into a game.

That case was confirmation bias because you took 1-2 decent points about me (which alone are not enough to justify a vote or my lynching) and then supplemented them with saying "Corazon is doing stuff that he always does in every game, he has to be scum for it in this one".



Ok first look at the bolded part. Im not going to make a case and vote because people only skim them and read them fully only when they think I am scum. How is this a townies mindset? He is worried about people makeing a case on him. This does not come from someone townie. Now look at the underlined part, there is no reason to make a case this early as they never stick. What out giveing someone pressure and makeing them answer questions with a early case and getting a read on them.


Cora answer me this what is really so bad with cases and votes in the first few hours of day one?


This is the first example of him fabricating evidence. He mentions multiple times how I said that I did not like cases within the first two hours of the game. This is 100% lie. I clearly stated that I only did not like votes 2 hours into the game. I said absolutely nothing about cases in that post. Why does he come to the conclusion that I don't like cases either? He is trying to turn the facts against me to form a case against me. This is a super scummy thing to do.

Then, he changes his attack to "Corazon does not like votes at all".
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On November 26 2013 06:33 Onegu wrote:
On November 26 2013 06:31 cDgCorazon wrote:
On November 26 2013 06:25 Onegu wrote:
On November 21 2013 01:00 cDgCorazon wrote:
When did I say that sciberia was bad town? Please find a post where I said he was bad town.

I didn't vote for sciberia because 0% of wagons in the first 2 hours of a game actually get to the deadline? None. What is the point of vote-jumping? It just allows people to skim my cases once they see the bold vote and only really look at it once it's my turn to be under the gun. Voting for people at this stage is pretty useless because it's not going to get a lynch going. I guarantee you that our reads and opinions are going to change before the deadline and it's useless to lock yourself in (or at least making a statement saying you are going to) 2 hours into a game.

That case was confirmation bias because you took 1-2 decent points about me (which alone are not enough to justify a vote or my lynching) and then supplemented them with saying "Corazon is doing stuff that he always does in every game, he has to be scum for it in this one".



Ok first look at the bolded part. Im not going to make a case and vote because people only skim them and read them fully only when they think I am scum. How is this a townies mindset? He is worried about people makeing a case on him. This does not come from someone townie. Now look at the underlined part, there is no reason to make a case this early as they never stick. What out giveing someone pressure and makeing them answer questions with a early case and getting a read on them.


Cora answer me this what is really so bad with cases and votes in the first few hours of day one?


Did you see any votes that lasted from the first few hours of D1 all the way to the deadline? No.

Also, I only mentioned votes, not cases. I'm fine with cases and pressure/questioning in the early bits of D1. Why did you blatantly twist my words there? It is because you are scum trying to fake a scum read on me in order to push the agenda of getting me lynched.

Town has to find reasons that people are scum.
Scum have to make up reasons that people are scum.

The fact that Onegu tried to twist my words so that it appeared to have me say that I did not like pressure/cases early D1 is a clear sign that he is scum.


Why dont you like votes on people?


Pretty much self-explanatory here. Why does he change his point of attack? He knows that I caught him lying so he tries to change his interpretation on the fly and continue to pressure me. This isn't a scum-hunting technique, this is a technique where he is desperate to find something scummy about me so he cuts all of the lies out until he can find something scummy.

Lastly, he decides to continue to spring his "trap" even though it's pretty obvious his bait is completely phony.

His version of the story: I make the post about not wanting to vote two hours into the game at exactly two hours into the game. Then I make the vote on Aqua 16 minutes later (which means that I would have contradicted myself in 2 straight posts).

What actually is the truth: I made the post about not wanting to vote two hours into the game 11 hours into the game. I then vote Aqua 11 hours and 16 minutes. The proof for this is in the thread. I showed him the timestamp for the beginning of the game and I compared it to the post that he quoted. 11 hours and 16 minutes.

What does Onegu then do? He knows he is caught in a really bad situation, so he just pretends that I never completely stomped his case and peaces out. How is that anything close to a townie response?

Onegu needs to be the lynch tomorrow. He told three lies in a 15 minute span and if you let him survive past D3 then this town deserves to lose.



Look where he underlines case 3 times and the look what I wrote and what he wrote. The first time he says Im not going to make a case on someone and vote them so people dont read the case and only look at it when they are looking at me for scum. The second one I am talking about cora being worried people are going to make a case on him. Third I should have used vote. But I want lieing I was excited I caught a scum cora. Go look at my notes I have a star next to the part about him makeing that post and 16 minutes later voteing. And I only looked at the timestamps of those two posts because they were at the top of one of his filter pages.


And I planned on trapping him the entire time, I never change my story.
And thats why you are scummy in a nutshell.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 27 2013 12:26 GMT
#2412
On November 27 2013 21:08 Onegu wrote:
Also mocsta since cora asked me Im going to ask you. Are you fucking with your bbcode so when I quote you my points on you are all fucked up?

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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 27 2013 12:29 GMT
#2413
Words of wisdom from Mr. Marvellous:

"
If a player is suspicious and simply afks, that does not make him town. That's my lesson for you this game <3"

Hi Holy!!
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 27 2013 14:25 GMT
#2419
Lol; that is pretty funny
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 28 2013 00:28 GMT
#2441
Wow. Onegu
You totally convinced Cora is scum.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 28 2013 00:37 GMT
#2443
Luckily if scum jump off last minute we are ok

Cos tommorow will be 4-3.

Jeez Corazon.
Lemme guess, tomorrow you will refuse to vote onegu lol?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 28 2013 00:48 GMT
#2447
I was being sarcastic.

Your case looked like holyflare wrote it.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 28 2013 01:00 GMT
#2452
So scum is according to holyflare now
Cora, bereft and onegu??

Lol
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 28 2013 01:12 GMT
#2460
On November 28 2013 10:10 sciberbia wrote:
HF if you flip town And we lose to cora/bereft scumteam I will apologize profusely and admit I suck at this game. But i really doubt it.

Shameless +1

With caveat
If Cora is scum, I'm never playing with him again.
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