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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 26 2013 09:51 GMT
#2147
On November 26 2013 18:19 Holyflare wrote:
Yeh, we can lynch onegu to prove cora's claim IMO. 9 players we have plenty of time TBH.

Lay down a vote then pl0x
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 26 2013 09:53 GMT
#2148
On November 26 2013 18:07 Holyflare wrote:
Also, if you play like I am playing you aren't likely to get nk'd, especially if a cop claims too.

This is a poor argument.

A successful doc heal is a successful doc heal, regardless of how poorly you are playing.

I still can not comprehend how a town player could be f5n furiously to note Corazon claim and not post a single thing 30min either side of the flip.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 26 2013 10:07 GMT
#2151
On November 26 2013 19:05 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 18:53 Mocsta wrote:
On November 26 2013 18:07 Holyflare wrote:
Also, if you play like I am playing you aren't likely to get nk'd, especially if a cop claims too.

This is a poor argument.

A successful doc heal is a successful doc heal, regardless of how poorly you are playing.

I still can not comprehend how a town player could be f5n furiously to note Corazon claim and not post a single thing 30min either side of the flip.


I was around for lxiii, only casually looking at this, saw flips were coming soon, f5'd, saw cop claim, auto healed and afkd to sleep. It is 3am when the deadline is after all.

That you don't understand what I'm saying blows my mind.

So when are you voting onegu?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 26 2013 10:09 GMT
#2153
On November 26 2013 19:06 Holyflare wrote:
Hey look, I'm not saying that I shouldn't be shot because I should. I'm saying that they are bad for not doing it. Besides, there is so much talk about lynching into me/onegu and because cora claimed cop (i think its fake and he is scum) he easily drew my heal away and then could kill 2 towny looking people.

So let me get this straight.

Before the cop claim.. jampi and onegu were the two lynch candidates discussed.

Scum already had a masyerplan to fake claim set in motion night 1 and decided to unveil with dubious timing to secure a MYLO Victory.
.using this logic surely jampi is scum.. otherwise scum wouldn't care and let either be lynched.


So wanna swap to chezinu holy?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 26 2013 10:10 GMT
#2154
On November 26 2013 19:08 Holyflare wrote:
I do understand, you are saying that killing a doctor should supercede everything because saves can ruin their game. However, if a scum claims cop he automatically draws the doctor away and then they do not have to worry about who they kill, therefore they can afford to leave a doctor alive, shoot 2 people and use the cop claims to lynch another person. It's not an awful play.

No that's not what I'm saying.

I'm talking about a town player expecting to die. Known for talking a lot.. can be present at lynch deadline and not say a word.
Blows my mind.
..so where is ya vote going?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 26 2013 11:33 GMT
#2168
Funny how hf now starts posting.

Anyways once onegu is lynched. I hope hf and chez concede.

I'm bored....

I was willing to entertain one of onegu/hf being town, but they are both. Tag teaming the same arguments too hard.

It really feels us vs them.

Gg.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 26 2013 13:40 GMT
#2173
I actually am trying my hardest to think if onegu could be miller.

I have been in mylo enough times and made too many rash decisions to think this is set in stone.

but.. I can't get over onegu still assuming I'm scum.
hes played with in a game last week with me as scum, and I'm playing 100% diff.
this behaviour is beyond cb

I'm actually getting to the point where onegu is pissing me off so much I just want this game over. and if cora fake claimed.. well done to him I don't care.

the thing, if cora fake claimed., I have no idea who his scum buddies are..it doesn't make sense to me one iota.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 26 2013 13:43 GMT
#2174
On November 26 2013 21:20 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 20:18 sciberbia wrote:
On November 26 2013 20:07 Onegu wrote:
@Scib if I flip town what are your thoughts on cora? Anyway my case is comeing up.

Also everyone except chezniu has weighed in on me ant it is currently 6-1-1 votes on me, on cora, note voted.

Can we please vote 24 hour day?

##VOTE cDgCorazon
##VOTE 24 HOUR DAY


Well if you flipped miller that would be tragic and I'd still think Cora is cop.

If you flip town then Cora is obviously somewhat suspect. Probably one of him/Mocsta/Bereft would have to be scum. Either cop claim is fake or Mocsta/Bereft framed you. Most likely because of math would be a fake cop claim. So yea if you flip town then I guess Cora is probably scum. But I doubt it.

This whole martyring thing is pretty dumb and just makes me feel more sure about you being scum tbh. Do you really think you are going to win with town by dying but convincing someone to shoot Cora? It doesn't make any sense. If we DO have a vig then he has been roleblocked twice in a row. It wouldn't take a genius scumteam to roleblock the same person again.

And either
a) HF is town and gets shot, ending the game, or more likely
b) HF is scum, so we have no medic, and scum have their pick of game-ending NK



Im not martyring, I just GMarshal if I am allowed to do something that might save me actually. The problem is I know my town play looks scummy Im working on it, I have been mislynched in every town game I have been in.
I don't care what your alignment is.
stuff like this needs to go on the rules list, if its not there already.

this is disgusting abuse of host manipulayuion which we have no means of knowing is true.

completely poor sportsmanship if scum, completely.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 26 2013 22:32 GMT
#2213
On November 27 2013 02:07 Bereft wrote:
Cora has been a pretty unwavering town read for me since n1/d2. his explanation to moc of why he never gave scib a strong town read in his posting was extremely solid. while I don't know if I agree with him claiming 40 min before the deadline was over, his rationalization of it was consistent with a townie mindset in my opinion.

compare this to HF whose explanations and rationalizations for his actions are completely inconsistent with an actual blue role. I cannot believe for a moment he would be around at the deadline and change his save target to Cora without even questioning Cora's motivations, considering the suspicions he has of him. combined with the way he acted N1, it is basically impossible that even the most confused and foolish of doctors would do the things he's doing.

I think onegu is a good lynch but HF is a safer one. when we are at mylo I don't see any harm in being risk averse, and I hope you guys will agree.

also this last bit might be a bit of a stretch, but considering how he implies cora should've checked him he's probably the GF. if he flips GF we know that the scum check on onegu is basically unquestionable.

##Unvote
##Vote: Holyflare

holy Moses this is like best post of the entire thread.

convinced me in one fell swoop.

##unvote
##vote: holyflare
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 26 2013 22:35 GMT
#2214
On November 27 2013 04:01 Alakaslam wrote:
So why is Holyflare so certainly scum again? Can't have been too scummy if a red check was stronger, but...

Another thing to think about is if Cora is fake claiming and Onegu is a mislynch target, why not build on what appears to already have been there with holy? Unless scum together etc, this makes HF being scum basically = Cora is scum. But if HF is town, why is Cora doing this?

Or Chezinu is the false one and Cora is simply doing what he should with a miller, framed, or really really way too tryhard scum XD

And in fact, I never take notes because I can't, physically impossible where I play from. There is shame here- yet I will do my best...

this post sits very bad with me.

feels like you are buying time
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 26 2013 22:38 GMT
#2215
On November 27 2013 05:39 cDgCorazon wrote:
If you guys can't see how Onegu is scum even after a red check, I don't really want to play the game anymore.

We're lynching Onegu first. The argument about framer/GF is as much WIFOM as the argument that HF missed two saves. I'm not going to have you guys not listen to me three days in a row and so I'm going to force an Onegu lynch first.

My vote stays on Onegu.

I know you want to be the hero with the day2 onegu case and the cop check.

however holygflare is the safer choice.
hes deffo scum.

chexz is deffo scum

and between slam/onegu, slam is worrying me with his spam. hes talking a lot but saying absolutely nothing.

out of those 4, if there was not a reds check,, I would be inclined to think onegu is the towniest.

please join us with holy.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 26 2013 22:55 GMT
#2217
On November 27 2013 07:44 Alakaslam wrote:
Frankly, thus far I more agree with Bereft than with cDgCorazon.

##Vote: Holyflare

why is that?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 26 2013 23:04 GMT
#2222
On November 27 2013 07:59 Holyflare wrote:
How can nobody else see this play? It's onegu, onegu, onegu for 3 straight days and then suddenly red check on onegu, NO MORE ONEGU! lolololol

were you even voting onegu before?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 26 2013 23:06 GMT
#2225
On November 27 2013 08:04 Holyflare wrote:
Wanna know why I didn't claim my 'saves' during the night? It's because i'm the fucking vet you tools. Nobody has even shot me so far so I haven't lost my vet, I completely made up my flavour and it was so bad, I even put the wrong name in the brackets instead of doctor >_>

ohh the same vet onegu fake claimed with in hogwartsa.. that the forum vets said is the easiest fake claim to make because there is no way to confirm it.


gotcha
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 26 2013 23:06 GMT
#2226
On November 27 2013 08:05 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2013 08:04 Mocsta wrote:
On November 27 2013 07:59 Holyflare wrote:
How can nobody else see this play? It's onegu, onegu, onegu for 3 straight days and then suddenly red check on onegu, NO MORE ONEGU! lolololol

were you even voting onegu before?


no/??? because I think he's town

funny, because your quote suggests we pile back onto your town read..,
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 26 2013 23:11 GMT
#2229
you are getting very angry holy flare

you aren't even talking to me as if I'm your scum read.

yeah this is a good vote
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 27 2013 00:16 GMT
#2233
Cora did post his flavour
His said town cop
Yours just says apparently vet

Yeah.. bah bam
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 27 2013 00:57 GMT
#2241
OK.

Heres my role PM..

Original Message From GMarshal:
Welcome to Back to the Basics Mini Mafia! You are Jack McVitie, also known as Jack The Hat a Mobster (Vanilla Townie) . You used to be a hitman, a cleaner, the kind of man who would make sure problems would go away and never come back. That is until your family was mostly wiped out by a sting operation lead by the Liquidia Police Force, in the months after you managed to somehow keep the family running, now, you're in the running to become head of all the families, mostly based on your reputation as strictly honorable, and your willingness to put old quarrels aside in order to strike back at the cops.


Lets compare:
On November 26 2013 11:28 cDgCorazon wrote:
Welcome to Back to the Basics Mini Mafia! You are Sergei Mikhailov a Private Detective (Town Investigator). You were the bright one in the family and was able to attend criminology school with the help of the "legitimate" side of your family's business. Your role in the family is to find the undercover cops so your business can stay clean and your family's "interests" remain undisturbed. Once per night, you can submit a name to the hosts and receive a message back saying whether your target is an honest Mobster or an undercover Cop. Crush those who would bring down the family "business"

&
On November 24 2013 10:16 Holyflare wrote:
Welcome to Back to the Basics Mini Mafia! You are Ronnie Lanzo a Smuggler, known as "the Runner", you've been in the trafficking business for so long you don't remember life without it. Once per night you can lock someone up in a shipping container (to keep them safe from the cops) at night. When you hide someone from the police, they will still be able to use their contacts and any other resources at their disposal, but any attempts to arrest or shoot them will fail, unless they are targeted by two or more kp. Protect your business, find the cops!

&
On November 27 2013 09:10 Holyflare wrote:
Welcome to Back to the Basics Mini Mafia! You are Anthony Spilotro an Ancient Mobster (Veteran), known as "the Ant", you're old, older than these scamps, you remember back when the cops were clean. Hell, you're part of the reason they aren't anymore. Now your age gives you a distinct advantage, you know how the cops operate and how the mob operates you can use this and the net of contacts you have to avoid the first KP aimed at you during the game. You will be notified if you lose this extra life



I assume these are all copy/pasted by clicking "reply" on the role PM.. otherwise, why type this out.

So with that in mind:
(1) I find it odd immediately that the vet claim is just "blue" and not "bolded blue"

(2) I find it concerning Corazon claim DOES NOT have an alias (i.e. known "as")




I'm still at the point where if Corazon had the foresight to plan a fake claim N1 then he deserves a MYLO victory.

Having said that:
In my experience with MYLO, scum post the bare minimum to swing the vote.

(A) Only now Holyflare steps up the posting -- probably null overall
(B) I'm concerned Corazon has posted way less -- worth scum points
(C) Chezinu is doing sweet fuck all -- definitely scum
(D) Slam is starting to spam and has made no effort to read the thread (officially) -- worth big scum points too
(E) Sciberbia posts has me at ughhh: Was just a consolidated post of 2 pages of my filter interactions but treated Bereft post exactly like me, so is town regardless of if Corazon was fake claiming.
(F) Bereft has post of the thread.Has to be town.
(G) Onegu is trying hard. I'm not that fussed about the notes like Scib is to give a town lean. This is a pivotal time to make big plays.

I'm still happy with a HolyFlare vote.
I can not fathom that a town vet would make a big hoo haa about having to save Corazon.. insinuate he is a fake claim... AND then admit he is fake claiming doctor.

Further, when we were discussing Delay KP.. he never admits to the thread that he knew 100% that Delay KP occurred Night 1.

He has intentionally withheld information from town over multiple cycles & then proceed to lambast us.
This is a *BIG DEAL*.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 27 2013 00:58 GMT
#2242
On November 27 2013 09:50 Bereft wrote:
E for effort HF, but sorry you are no GMarshal. you can take another stab at attempting his prose if you'd like, but if you honestly expect any of us to believe the awesomely moderating GMarshal would give us flavor with run-on sentences you have another think coming.

and now that you are caught out on it, you're admitting the vet claim is fake?

lynch this fool already. come on and do it, Cora.
Lol, fake claims are provided by GM.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 27 2013 01:02 GMT
#2245
On November 27 2013 10:00 Holyflare wrote:
I brokeded my paste on firefox so I had to type it

Of course lol.. then why is (Town) missing from Veteran lol.
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