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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 20 2013 19:10 GMT
#358
Yeah my problem with Aqua is not his case on Rean. My problem is that based on what he posted after that i think he should be voting for Corazon instead of Rean. That's really weird.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 20 2013 19:13 GMT
#359
Also thrawn saying i should know him by meta is wrong. I have never seen thrawn play scum so i can't possibly know how he plays scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 20 2013 20:20 GMT
#363
Rean, since you apparently are not answering JarJar's case i would like you to explain the following things:
  • At the start ofthe game you said you will not tolerate spam/one-liners/shitting up the thread etc. Then you proceed on acting just like you said people should not act. Why?
  • Why do you actually think Corazon and sciberbia are scum?
  • After you call Cora/scib your strongest scumreads in the next post you vote for Aquanim. Now you are saying you agree with thrawn/my reasoning. Yet thrawn's reasoning was already in thread and what you said about my reasoning (Aqua voting for you while he should logically vote for Cora) later on contradicts yourself in what you said earlier (as that's not what you said). Explain that.
  • Why are you refusing to answer JJD's case? Don't you think bad/wrong cases should be shut down or what's the reason?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 20 2013 20:50 GMT
#365
Cora why not having "any original reasoning" for voting for someone is scummy?
People sheep all the time.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 20 2013 20:58 GMT
#369
On November 21 2013 05:51 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Cora why not having "any original reasoning" for voting for someone is scummy?
People sheep all the time.

But sheeping on arguments made 15 hours ago? That's not scummy?

I dunno, does the argument somehow vanish if it gets "too old"?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 20 2013 21:04 GMT
#373
On November 21 2013 06:00 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 05:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 21 2013 05:51 cDgCorazon wrote:
On November 21 2013 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Cora why not having "any original reasoning" for voting for someone is scummy?
People sheep all the time.

But sheeping on arguments made 15 hours ago? That's not scummy?

I dunno, does the argument somehow vanish if it gets "too old"?

Well to me it looks like an attempt to make a case without doing the work.
It also doesn't help when I've refuted all of the points and he still decides to make the case. It's scummy because it's fake scum-hunting.

Well this answer is much better in case it's true. I didn't even read Onegu's post because i know 98% from it can't possibly make anyone scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 20 2013 21:10 GMT
#375
On November 21 2013 06:03 Rean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 05:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rean, since you apparently are not answering JarJar's case i would like you to explain the following things:
  • At the start ofthe game you said you will not tolerate spam/one-liners/shitting up the thread etc. Then you proceed on acting just like you said people should not act. Why?
  • Why do you actually think Corazon and sciberbia are scum?
  • After you call Cora/scib your strongest scumreads in the next post you vote for Aquanim. Now you are saying you agree with thrawn/my reasoning. Yet thrawn's reasoning was already in thread and what you said about my reasoning (Aqua voting for you while he should logically vote for Cora) later on contradicts yourself in what you said earlier (as that's not what you said). Explain that.
  • Why are you refusing to answer JJD's case? Don't you think bad/wrong cases should be shut down or what's the reason?


I did answer one point that I felt needed to be adressed, 'kinda forgot about the others.

1. I don't see what you mean with this. While some of my posts were short and to the point, I don't think it's a problem. I prefer not to write endless paragraphs if a short and simple answer suffices. And they definitely weren't spam/shitting up the thread.

2. On Cora: at the time cases on him seemed convincing and he felt off. But after rereading his filter I don't feel so strongly anymore, he's actively participating and his logic isn't too bad.
On Scib: I don't like how he's constantly trying to follow others with posts like + Show Spoiler +
On November 20 2013 12:49 sciberbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 12:44 cDgCorazon wrote:
On November 20 2013 12:43 sciberbia wrote:
On November 20 2013 12:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
Who wants a free town read? I've only got one, get it while supplies last! All you need to do is be the first to respond to this post!

mocsta is ineligible because him and I are already confirmed town to each other


@thrawn
You are masons?

Thx for piggybacking on my post. I really appreciate it.

I didnt' 'piggyback' on your post. Our posts aren't saying at all the same thing.

On November 20 2013 15:37 sciberbia wrote:
@Mocsta
You're wrong about me but I think you may very well be right about Cora. I resent that you stole my thunder though -- almost done a case on him.

@thrawn
I legitimately thought Cora was the scummiest person in the thread at the time (if by the tiniest of margins). My intention was mainly to get interesting discussion started.

On November 20 2013 16:55 sciberbia wrote:
EBWOP

Oh yea one other I wanted to reply to was your criticism that I ignored Cora for a while. I stopped prodding Cora because other people were doing a fine job of it and I thought it'd be more productive for them to ask questions such as "explain why you think this about sciberbia" than me doing it. Also I was getting increasingly suspicious of him so I decided to just observe and include my comprehensive thoughts in a later case.

I didn't want to miss the opportunity to question Rean who is probably my second strongest read right now. I find Aquanim's above post on him agreeable.


Just feels to me like he's only going for people others are already going for, dodgy. But still waiting for him to explain his suspicion of me like I said before.

3. Again, I don't follow. I said the Cora/Scib part while also putting suspicion on Aqua because of his playstyle, trying to pressure him. And the way he responded to the pressure really gave me heavy scumvibes, enough to vote for him.

4. I already adressed a point I felt was him taking things wrongly.

1) You gave answers like "Mocsta said this and that" and "Mocsta could be town or he could be scum". How is that supposed to help people think what do you think about people when you are not giving straight answers?
2) So you felt Cora was scummy because of what other people said but then sciberbia was scummy because he seemed to be agreeing a lot with what other people said? Aren't you clearly contradicting yourself here?
3) I mean you liked thrawn's reasoning (also see (2), why is scib scummy then?). It was already in thread but at that time you still listed Cora/scib over Aquanim. Then you used completely different reasoning on Aquanim's post and later on "corrected" the reasoning into fitting what i said about that post.

So, aren't you doing exactly the same things you think sciberbia is scum for?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 20 2013 21:13 GMT
#376
EBWOP: And btw your interpretation for those posts from sciberbia is absolutely terrible. None of those posts are sheeping others.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 20 2013 21:32 GMT
#383
On November 21 2013 06:23 Rean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 06:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 21 2013 06:03 Rean wrote:
On November 21 2013 05:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rean, since you apparently are not answering JarJar's case i would like you to explain the following things:
  • At the start ofthe game you said you will not tolerate spam/one-liners/shitting up the thread etc. Then you proceed on acting just like you said people should not act. Why?
  • Why do you actually think Corazon and sciberbia are scum?
  • After you call Cora/scib your strongest scumreads in the next post you vote for Aquanim. Now you are saying you agree with thrawn/my reasoning. Yet thrawn's reasoning was already in thread and what you said about my reasoning (Aqua voting for you while he should logically vote for Cora) later on contradicts yourself in what you said earlier (as that's not what you said). Explain that.
  • Why are you refusing to answer JJD's case? Don't you think bad/wrong cases should be shut down or what's the reason?


I did answer one point that I felt needed to be adressed, 'kinda forgot about the others.

1. I don't see what you mean with this. While some of my posts were short and to the point, I don't think it's a problem. I prefer not to write endless paragraphs if a short and simple answer suffices. And they definitely weren't spam/shitting up the thread.

2. On Cora: at the time cases on him seemed convincing and he felt off. But after rereading his filter I don't feel so strongly anymore, he's actively participating and his logic isn't too bad.
On Scib: I don't like how he's constantly trying to follow others with posts like + Show Spoiler +
On November 20 2013 12:49 sciberbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 12:44 cDgCorazon wrote:
On November 20 2013 12:43 sciberbia wrote:
On November 20 2013 12:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
Who wants a free town read? I've only got one, get it while supplies last! All you need to do is be the first to respond to this post!

mocsta is ineligible because him and I are already confirmed town to each other


@thrawn
You are masons?

Thx for piggybacking on my post. I really appreciate it.

I didnt' 'piggyback' on your post. Our posts aren't saying at all the same thing.

On November 20 2013 15:37 sciberbia wrote:
@Mocsta
You're wrong about me but I think you may very well be right about Cora. I resent that you stole my thunder though -- almost done a case on him.

@thrawn
I legitimately thought Cora was the scummiest person in the thread at the time (if by the tiniest of margins). My intention was mainly to get interesting discussion started.

On November 20 2013 16:55 sciberbia wrote:
EBWOP

Oh yea one other I wanted to reply to was your criticism that I ignored Cora for a while. I stopped prodding Cora because other people were doing a fine job of it and I thought it'd be more productive for them to ask questions such as "explain why you think this about sciberbia" than me doing it. Also I was getting increasingly suspicious of him so I decided to just observe and include my comprehensive thoughts in a later case.

I didn't want to miss the opportunity to question Rean who is probably my second strongest read right now. I find Aquanim's above post on him agreeable.


Just feels to me like he's only going for people others are already going for, dodgy. But still waiting for him to explain his suspicion of me like I said before.

3. Again, I don't follow. I said the Cora/Scib part while also putting suspicion on Aqua because of his playstyle, trying to pressure him. And the way he responded to the pressure really gave me heavy scumvibes, enough to vote for him.

4. I already adressed a point I felt was him taking things wrongly.

1) You gave answers like "Mocsta said this and that" and "Mocsta could be town or he could be scum". How is that supposed to help people think what do you think about people when you are not giving straight answers?
2) So you felt Cora was scummy because of what other people said but then sciberbia was scummy because he seemed to be agreeing a lot with what other people said? Aren't you clearly contradicting yourself here?
3) I mean you liked thrawn's reasoning (also see (2), why is scib scummy then?). It was already in thread but at that time you still listed Cora/scib over Aquanim. Then you used completely different reasoning on Aquanim's post and later on "corrected" the reasoning into fitting what i said about that post.

So, aren't you doing exactly the same things you think sciberbia is scum for?


1. I said what I was thinking. If I thought they were leaning town or scum I'd say so but I didnt so. Perhaps not as decisive as others but I spoke my mind, can't ask for more?
2. There's a difference between agreeing with others and trying to find scum yourself aswell and just piggybacking of others 24/7, which I feel is what Scib is doing.
3. Can you quote the specific posts please? Having a hard time understanding what exactly you are on about


1) Well we have to agree to disagree. I think you have a lot of posts that say nothing.
2) Those posts you quoted are definitely not "piggybacking others". Actually they are the opposite.
3) I mean this:
Here is where you agree with thrawn's case:
This, combined with what Thrawn already said (not gonna waste time parroting), really gives me a bad feeling about you.

This is what you talk about Aquanim's vote on you:
You're put under pressure and you instantly accuse me to try to prove me wrong about you, but 2 posts later you're already looking for arguments to back out of it. And then you go for Corazon with some not terribly convincing arguments.

You are saying Aqua is OMGUSing you and then presenting himself an out in the first place. What i say later is Aquanim by his logic should be voting for Corazon and not Rean. You then say "yes that's what i was saying" while you are not saying the same thing at all. What you say and what i say are two definitely different things.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 20 2013 21:49 GMT
#388
Corazon tbh i find it hard to find why you actually think sciberbia is scum. Yes i see this:
He didn't do it with just me. He told Moc and I that it was scummy that we made troll posts. At least Mocsta was direct in saying who he thought was scummy instead of sciberia who is only doing a "window looking" version of scum hunting.

..and this:
While sciberia simply misreads my posts and attacks me, yet doesn't give any conclusion to his read on me. Way less direct and clear then what Mocsta did.

..but could you clarify what actually makes you think so. I can't find these things to be true from what i read from sciberbia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 20 2013 21:54 GMT
#390
##Unvote:
##Vote: Aquanim

I find Rean's answers quite reasonable and i don't like Aquanim's vote at all.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 20 2013 22:02 GMT
#393
Corazon i believe sciberbia when he says it was a discussion starter (the first post). Do you believe you two may have just looked things differently about your mason-incident? Because i find that to be the most likely explanation. I don't think either of you is lying or trying to make shit up, you just read each other's posts differently.

I agree with you on Aquanim and Onegu. What do you think of Bereft?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 20 2013 22:12 GMT
#396
I think LoneMeow looks fine, although i'd like to hear his updated thoughts on Aquanim, you and scib.

That was kinda the answer i expected you to give on Bereft.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 20 2013 22:13 GMT
#397
On November 21 2013 07:10 cDgCorazon wrote:
EBWOP:
I also said (in an earlier post) that I didn't like how he was trying to bring conversation off of Aqua and onto me. That's what concerns me about LM.

I think that's fine if he thinks Aquanim is town and there is something weird in you/scib.
But as i said i'm waiting for his updated thoughts.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 20 2013 22:49 GMT
#402
On November 21 2013 07:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
rayn is aight for now. so is corazon and jarjar. ofc moc is conf town

i'll take any odds that there's a scum in aqua/rean and if it's only one of them it's 100% aqua. i reread rean and his play is way scummier than i remember thinking it was at the time i became convinced about aqua

everyone else is currently difficult to read

i will resume tryharding and using punctuation/capitalization when I return but for now this is lazy reads ver 1.0. i am very busy today and might not be able to post again till tomorrow (like at least + 12 hrs from now)

toodles


sciberbia is quite fine aswell and jampidampi is voting for Aquanim so we lynch Aquanim -> Onegu -> Lonemeow -> Bereft, maybe Rean. ggnore game solved.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 20 2013 23:00 GMT
#404
It's a joke.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 20 2013 23:09 GMT
#407
Because Bereft said she's (you are the same Bereft from voice mafia right?) gonna follow that post up. Of course that's not a good post but a lot of people do those list posts. I'm waiting for her to follow that up.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 20 2013 23:12 GMT
#409
Why are you voting for Rean when your post suggests you have a bigger scumread (or at least better reasons) on Corazon?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 20 2013 23:13 GMT
#410
There is a big problem with that because you should be voting for your top scumread.
What's your case on Rean again?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 20 2013 23:20 GMT
#412
On November 21 2013 08:16 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 08:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why are you voting for Rean when your post suggests you have a bigger scumread (or at least better reasons) on Corazon?

Well, I was voting Rean to pressure him, since Corazon was already being pressured. At this point, though, the pressure from my vote appears pretty irrelevant. I'mma reread the last ten pages or so and decide who my greatest scumread is now, and then I'll vote for them. The time for me to mess around with pressuring and such appears to be well and truly past.

Uhh.. I really don't like this. Are you saying your contributions at the start of the game were just "messing around" and "pressuring people"? That's a weak way to "flush all suspicion away", by just saying "guys hey, i was just messing around, now i start playing".
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