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On November 25 2013 14:28 cDgCorazon wrote:
How strong is your town read on Aqua?
Is there anyone else you potentially have a strong town read on?
I havent filtered aqua; but in the two filters I have read (Onegu/Scibs) Aqua comes up a lot so I have kinda read his filter indirectly.
My current reads:
Town (Tier 1): {Aquanim, Sciberbia} - Definitely not interested in lynching. If HF is scum, both will prob be shot.
Town (Tier 2): {Bereft} - Unlikely to consider
Null: {Thrawn, Slam (rean), Corazon, Holyflare (LoneMeow), Onegu*} - * I kinda like Onegu as a Tier 2 town, but I want some feedback from Aqua/Scibs on my list interpretation first.
PoE Scum: {Chezinu (jampi)}
I actually like the idea of the scum team being the lurker trifecta of {LM / Jampi / Rean } = {Holy, Chez, Slam}
Just stuff like this
On November 20 2013 21:41 LoneMeow wrote:
I could agree about cDgCorazon being scum. His filter has a ton of filler-like stuff, practically the only player he seems to have anything to talk about is sciberbia and even that is kind of non-commital, he's more or less hinting that sciberbia is scummy but never actually making it a real case. The part about town reads not being useful was just plain weird.
On the other hand, sciberbia's massive tunnel so early in the game is pretty weird and I really don't think they're both scum.
I'm struggling with this post to understand the message.
He spends 4 lines discussing how corazon *could* be scum.
Then he gives consideration to his scum reads (corazon) scum target (sciberbia) and indicates he could be scum.
Somehow, he concludes its he doesnt think they are both scum.
The last line is important to me because I see nothing in the writing to suggest why its unlikely they are bussing.
You could argue that he has a much stronger scum read on Corazon, and thus does see Sciberbia as unlikely scum -- he just can't get over the weirdness of the early tunnel.
However, why has he belittled his read on Corazon by stating "I could agree".
Either way, this is pretty useless based on the doctor claim I suppose.
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On November 25 2013 14:55 Aquanim wrote:
The entire scumteam replacing out seems ridiculous though >.<
I kinda need to see if HF is doctor or not before deciding whom out of the actives COULD be scum.
Since you want some questions, please read through my points on onegu list post and see if you agree.
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On November 25 2013 15:08 cDgCorazon wrote:
Mocsta, did you just go from having sci as one of the possible 4 candidates for being scum to your top town read?
Did you have a point?
If you want to outline the sequence as a simplistic A -> B.
Then the answer to your question is: Yes.
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Onegu didnt receive that much pressure; Corazon was just very outspoken about this push.
On November 25 2013 12:00 ObviousOne wrote:
Bereft (0): thrawn2112
Alakaslam (1): Aquanim, JarJarDrinks, Mocsta
Chezinu (1): Mocsta, thrawn2112, Mocsta, thrawn2112
Onegu (0): cDgCorazon, cDgCorazon, Aquanim, thrawn2112, cDgCorazon, Chezinu
JarJarDrinks (6): cDgCorazon, thrawn2112, Mocsta, sciberbia, Aquanim, Mocsta, thrawn2112, Bereft, thrawn2112, Mocsta, Aquanim, cDgCorazon, Alakaslam, Mocsta
sciberbia (0): Mocsta, Chezinu
Holyflare (1): Bereft, Aquanim, Chezinu
Mocsta (2): Bereft, Onegu, Holyflare
Thrawn2112 (0): cDgCorazon
This is the the most even vote count before JarJar gets 7
On November 25 2013 07:20 ObviousOne wrote:
Bereft (0): thrawn2112
ReanAlakaslam (1): Aquanim
jampidampiChezinu (0): Mocsta, thrawn2112
Onegu (0): cDgCorazon, cDgCorazon
JarJarDrinks (3): cDgCorazon, thrawn2112, Mocsta, sciberbia, Aquanim, Mocsta
sciberbia (1): Mocsta, Chezinu
Holyflare (0): Bereft, Aquanim
Mocsta (3): Bereft, Onegu, Holyflare
Thrawn2112 (1): cDgCorazon
Not Voting (2): Alakaslam, thrawn2112
I dunno what to make of this.
Having just read jampidampi filter, I actually like the tone of his posts.
*sigh* need a break.
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I'm not against the idea Corazon.
Def need more discussion.
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On November 20 2013 17:42 jampidampi wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 17:33 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 17:29 jampidampi wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 17:24 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 17:20 jampidampi wrote:On November 20 2013 13:19 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 13:14 Bereft wrote:
he wasn't actually calling mocsta scum. just you.
i don't see the distinction between mocsta's explicitly stating and sciberia's "window looking". how were they different? could you expand pls? He means that Mocsta is going around calling people scum or town straightup, unlike Sciberia who is more held back. At this point, what in Sciberias posting came to you as held back? Hi jampidampi, Help me out please. Firstly, I assume you have read the whole thread, thus consider this post to be significant enough to warrant being your introduction post? Secondly, Are you querying Rean for information about Rean or Sciberbia? I'm asking him about his thought process. I find that "held back" is a very interesting way to describe Sciberias play up to that point, imo he was one of the most direct poeple at that time. OK, thanks. Have you read the whole thread? Is it safe to assume that because you are "intrigued" by Rean, you are in any agreement with Aquanim case on Rean? Yes I have read the thread once for a sense of game flow. Rereading now with actual thought. to it if Reans reasons for thinking Sciberbia was "held back" are not good. If Rean had good reasons to think Scib was "held back" then it kinda falls apart.
So originally Jampi likes Aqua case on Rean (with a caveat)
Then..
On November 21 2013 00:22 jampidampi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 18:24 thrawn2112 wrote:
jampidampi, have you noticed the elephant in the room?
It's over there >>>>>
What do you make of it? Assuming you mean your case on Aquanim. I like it. I especially like how it applies to Aquas play even after the case.##Vote: Aquanim+ Show Spoiler +Here's some more evidnce against Aquanim: On November 20 2013 20:01 Aquanim wrote:Well, it looks like Jampidampi has run off without adressing the elephant. I'm not sure whether to be insulted. He'd better offer some more constructive opinions when he gets back, though. Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 18:22 jampidampi wrote:@Sciberbia: My read on Corazon is not conclusive aka null. Slightly on the town side of null. + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote:
I took a shower. Sorry for not wanting to smell bad.
Moc, I'm quite concerned that you have already used up >25% of your "self-allotted posts". If you're going to start spamming, it's going to be a problem.
Now to my goals/early game statements:
1. I'm not gonna make any meta crap posts. TBH I don't remember anyone's meta and it's ridiculously stupid logic. I'm not going to stand for it and I don't think you guys should either.
2. I'm voting for the scummiest person. My last game was Titanic and it came down to 3-4 days of "X is scum, Y/Z/Q is scum as well". That led the town way off of the path and allowed my scum team the easiest scum win in a very long time. I don't care if they're not on the two lynch trains that are going to form. It's not instant majority so as long as I feel like I'm voting for the scummiest person in my opinion, I'm going to be happy with my vote.
3. I'm going to do my best to not be just an onlooker. I'm gonna try and facilitate discussion and ask a lot of questions instead of just answering questions and throw my ideas out there and just create more chaos.
On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.
Don't like this post. Doesn't say anything with a substance. + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 13:24 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 13:20 Aquanim wrote:
@Corazon
I'd like you to elaborate more on why you think sciberbia is scum. I don't entirely understand your argument at present. He's trying to get us to tunnel each other early so he can just sit around and piggyback on town lynches and point the finger at others. This is demonstrated when he essentially copies my post asking thrawn if he was a mason (deliberately, his post was at least 2-3 minutes after mine) and then decides that he can take my words and twist them when I pressure him about it. This is what troubles me about sciberia right now. Don't understand what he is trying to say with this. If "us" refers to Scib and Cora, how does he come to the conclusion that Scib can "sit around and piggyback on town lynches and point the finger at others" if Scib is tunneling Cora? On one hand Cora could be a townie caught in a emotional tunnel. This falls in line with his tone when directly responding to Scib. On the other hand he could be scum. Reserving judgement until he returns and properly answears Sciberbias case and this post. @Jampidampi: This reads to me like two quotes demonstrating why you don't like Corazon's play so far. How does that leave you on the town side of null? I think you need to flesh this out some more. This post is odd. It feels like Aqua really wanted to say the first paragraph and inserted the second one to make a post with more substance. If Aqua wanted to address my post with the second pararaph, why wait nearly two hours? Since the motive of this post clearly wasn't to adress my post, it must lie withing the first paragrapgh. The first paragrapgh is just throwing some dirt onto me without stating explicit suspection. The motive behind it is to make me look worse. That, ladies and gentleman, is a scum motive. @LoneMeow: Could be more specific about what makes you think Aqua is town? What do you think about the case on him? Firstly, I take "even after the case" to refer to Thrawns case on Aquanim (rather than Aquanim case on Rean) though I don't think this changes my concern.
Secondly, lets look at what the points of Thrawn case was that Jampi liked.
On November 20 2013 16:31 thrawn2112 wrote:Aquanim is scum. + Show Spoiler +I just read through all his posts and concluded that he is not looking for scum and is not suspicious of anything. I don't want to make a big post full of quotes so I'd like you to read his filter and then read this post.
He starts the game by asking the "are you scum" question. When questioned about this he says he has a slight town read on Mocsta. In his next post after giving Mocsta the "teeny tiny town read" he expands upon the reasoning for said town read with way more words than are needed. Later in that post he comments on things that aren't related to scumhunting. He ends that same post with a question to Corazon but the question is not framed in a way that it looks like he is suspicious of Corazon. He then asks rean a similar sounding question, and posts another question for Corazon. None of it looks like scumhunting because I don't sense any hint of accusation behind any of the questions. After those series of questions comes a larger post where he gives me a townread, and says he doesn't like Corazon's case but he doesn't call Corazon scum for it. Then there's another non-accusatory question to rean, and he asks a nonsensical and completely useless question about vig shots. He asks who would mocsta shoot, but says that this doesn't mean he's asking for a scumread. What use is a vig shot other than to shoot a scumread? It doesn't make any sense at all and I don't see how he was trying to help town by asking it. So what is his filter comprised of? Town reads, overly lengthy explanations for things that aren't important, weak questions that don't look like he's actually looking for scum, and a completely useless question about vig-shots. ##vote: aquanim
How is jampidampi PoV applicable if Aquanim made a case on Rean that jampi acknowledged potentially decent.
Further look again at how Jampi explains why Aqua case could be meritable
Aquas case has some merit to it if Reans reasons for thinking Sciberbia was "held back" are not good. If Rean had good reasons to think Scib was "held back" then it kinda falls apart. This is a strawman argument that is completely open to vague interpretation allowing jampi multiple outs.
The main reason I find this scummy is due to how jampi adjusts his scum read based on thread sentiment.
Later on Aquanim is off the noose and we get:
On November 21 2013 23:09 jampidampi wrote:ReanShow nested quote +On November 21 2013 03:04 Rean wrote:... On November 20 2013 17:20 jampidampi wrote:On November 20 2013 13:19 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 13:14 Bereft wrote:
he wasn't actually calling mocsta scum. just you.
i don't see the distinction between mocsta's explicitly stating and sciberia's "window looking". how were they different? could you expand pls? He means that Mocsta is going around calling people scum or town straightup, unlike Sciberia who is more held back. At this point, what in Sciberias posting came to you as held back? That he, compared to Mocsta going around calling people "confirmed town" and naming scumteams 5 posts in, seemed to be taking it easy and more the "is most likely to be scum" route. In hindsight held back is probably not the phrase I'm looking for but you know what I mean. That is like saying Scarlett is bad when compared to Jaedong. Doesn't explain how "held back" is the phrase that came to your mind when thinking about Sciberbias early play.Hasn't scumhunted very much. Might consolidate onto him. Guess, he gets the answer to "held back" is not satisfied, but leaves his vote on aquanim the whole cycle even though it made the case of merit.
On November 22 2013 11:59 ObviousOne wrote:
cDgCorazon (0): thrawn2112, Mocsta, sciberbia, Onegu, thrawn2112, sciberbia, Holyflare
Aquanim (2): thrawn2112. Mocsta, jampidampi, cDgCorazon, Rean, raynpelikoneet
Rean (0): Aquanim, JarJarDrinks, raynpelikoneet, Bereft, Mocsta, thrawn2112, raynpelikoneet
Onegu (0): sciberbia, thrawn2112
Bereft (0): raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet
Mocsta (0): raynpelikoneet
raynpelikoneet (8): thrawn2112, Mocsta. Aquanim, JarJarDrinks, Bereft, raynpelikoneet, cDgCorazon, thrawn2112, thrawn2112, raynpelikoneet, thrawn2112, Holyflare, sciberbia, raynpelikoneet
jampidampi (0): raynpelikoneet
Mocsta (1): Onegu, raynpelikoneet
JarJarDrinks (0): raynpelikoneet
No-Lynch (1): cDgCorazon
raynpelikoneet [blue]is currently set to be lynched.
jampi posted many times whilst Rayn went AWOL including giving him a calm/calculated town read:
[B]On November 22 2013 00:14 jampidampi wrote: Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 00:07 Mocsta wrote:On November 22 2013 00:03 jampidampi wrote:
I need some time to make any sense of this rayn mess, give me a moment to reread. hmmmm <I am going to the QT to talk to Rayn about how to best perform damage control> Rayn has some weird things as town in the past, though mostly related to fake claiming (Nuclear Winter for example).Show nested quote +For a guy that displayed shrewd analysis with the corazon read (i.e. immediately being able to identify emotional tunnel etc) its disconcerting how hard you are holding onto this Aquanim line of questioning.
The original query to you was "fair game".
You wrote he was leaning town (slightly) yet identified two quotes that you said had no substance. The message is unclear -- yet you keep trying to shit the thread with this. Both you and Aquanim need to read more carefully. First of all, I highlighted one post that "didn't say anything with a substance". My point about Aqua is about the motive behind his post, and he seems to continue missunderstanding that. He has yet to refute my actual point, instead trying to make my point appear to be something which it isn't and refuting that.
I take ire with this town read further; as even people like Onegu who have extensive experience with Rayn were not able to distill their reasons for Rayn being town as succinctly as that one sentence.
Yes, I do think jampidampi is scum.
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Further to jampi being scum.
Chezinu has made no effort to integrate into the thread.
Even when Scibs was roleplaying with him; Chezinu decided to be distant.
I do not profess to be an expert of Chezinu -- heck I have only seen him play scum.
But the couple games I seen him played scum, hes distant and unhelpful. (Matching up to my expectations)
I feel very confident about this slot being scum.
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This game .. haha Ohh man
I will take that.
What did you think of the jampi aspect?
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U r not insane for the chez stuff but I would be surprised if it gained traction either.
Many havebt played with him.
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Slam.
How would you feel if you were my strongest town read?
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On November 25 2013 18:25 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 18:09 Mocsta wrote:
Slam.
How would you feel if you were my strongest town read? I would be really frikkin surprised But I need to sleep and CHUPAZI is all CHUPAZI is or means. However it is also Swahili.
Y surprised?
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On November 25 2013 18:37 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 18:29 Mocsta wrote:On November 25 2013 18:25 Alakaslam wrote:On November 25 2013 18:09 Mocsta wrote:
Slam.
How would you feel if you were my strongest town read? I would be really frikkin surprised But I need to sleep and CHUPAZI is all CHUPAZI is or means. However it is also Swahili. Y surprised? Nobody ever does Good night
Inherent guilt lol?
Night
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On November 25 2013 20:09 Chezinu wrote:
Sometimes being too good with your reads can get you killed. That happened to me one game. Town was all like, your reads are too accurate all day. You mafia die!!!! Yeah.. that really happened. true story.
The police hate the fact that I would not place my hand against my own brother. It shows that I'm unique and am an individual - not a robot. The soundness of illogical, these robots do not understand. They mock the idea the the Chezinu Rule for they can not compute. The Chezinu Rule has never failed. It's accuracy in experimental trials has been 100% so far. Yet, it still requires faith to follow despite its proven past. Some think logic is more important, much like the robots. But I say, faith>logic.
So Unizehc is statign he is scum with Sciberbia.
& Sciberbia is telling him what to do in the scum QT.
Awesome.
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If I'm alive I will respond to his case scibs.
I don't think a single thing is valid - mainly cos I know my role PM.
He may have picked out bad play, but I always had towns intention at <3
Looks like the jampi/Chezinu lynch is full go tomorrow anyways
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I'm finding Onegu extremely unreasonable here towards Cora.. reads quite fake to me.
Further, why does Onegu auto-assume jampi is not scum; yet doesnt comment on the integrity my case.
Even people that suspect me like Scibs acknowledged the merit of the case.
jampi case
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Like I do get Onegu argument about the posts being 16min apart - its certainly suspicious; however, its also purely conjecture.
It most certainly does not warrant "claim bby sealz, bby grl".
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Reading the TL;DR you posted to Cora, heres some commentary
On November 25 2013 10:39 Onegu wrote:
Mocsta hasnt made a real case all game, his reads jump around all game without any reason given or BS.
(1) Aside from the slur about a real case; what has jumping reads got to do with being scum?
All this is, is identifying poor play and not attributing any effort to divine motive.
NOW LOOK AT HIS REASON TO WANT TO LYNCH JAMP. Because jamp tunneled onto Aqua, but when rayn says that mocsta gives a meta reason that is town for jamp. Several have expressed doubts on jampi based on the limited post count. What is your point? Again, you identify me constantly evaluating information and changing my position - yet you make no effort to explain why this is scummy.
Uses the words scumslip for cora and scib, and scum claim for me. Then calls out HF for seeing scum slips. Again, why is this scummy. These are purely events that are in my filter.
[quote[Also when I make my notes, if its true he can lynch bereft that cycle, doesnt check when he thinks he is out of time, says if I am wrong its not malicious, to he leaves out the most important piece and Im scum for trying to make bereft look bad.[/quote]I dont see what the point is here either. Mocsta did "this"; Mocsta did "that".. but none of what is here is why its scummy, or even what agenda I pushed... if he is asserting that I tried to save a scum Bereft.. well thats an association read at best, thus conjecture... and scum feigning contributions at worst.
Is scum scum scum on rayn, then right before lynch switches to its a policy vote, then after lynch lies and says he didnt have rayn as scum but was afraid rayn wouldnt get a lynch through. I disagree. I thougth Rayn was scum at the start of the martyring and over the course of lynch downgraded to a policy lynch. This is clear when I ask if he has been mislynched before. Instead of taking the olive branch, he spat it in my face and wanted to be lynched
In short: Onegu case is very useless and doesnt state a single reason why I am scummy.
One thing that is concerning is his mention of my swap on jampi.
Why is this an issue? Does he know what jampi is going to flip - thus making me look bad for calling him town at one point?
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On November 26 2013 09:11 Alakaslam wrote:Well, I do like your TL;DR, thing is you are hostile there too. But I will say; the last point about Rayne is scummier to me than the rest. Why push Rayne then vote switch? But we will see.
^^
Lol
/dunked
I wish i asked why you liked it before I posted my response. Cos this post is bad.
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Wow, Aqua is confirmed town.
We came to the same conclusion of Onegu posts; however, he didn't give just cheap reasons using scum knowledge. Like ohh this is a bullshit reason.
hes back it all up with what I remember of the thread.
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Alakaslam
*VERY* important question.
How much of the thread have you read.. i.e.. what cycle are you up to?
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