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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
December 03 2013 03:31 GMT
#2743
I promise i will never be this bad in a mafia game ever.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
December 03 2013 04:28 GMT
#2771
Of course yamato means everyone except me.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-03 07:39:44
December 03 2013 07:37 GMT
#2816
Actually i do not think town was playing well for the first half of D1. Yes they were right, but for wrong reasons. Based on a case that was answered and noone updated their read on Rean after that, just said "but he is scum". Even when town is right like that it is not good play by any means. I tried to confront sciberbia about his weird "i wanna lynch Onegu but i am more interedsted in telling Aquanim should not be lynched than i am telling qwhy Onegu should be lynched". I even thought of making a case on him, but then Mocsta effectively shut down the discussion for god knows what reason.

Yes i ruined the second half of D1 and it was totally and only my fault, but i do not think the first half was "good play" either - regardless how right or wrong town was.

EDIT: yamato it's not a good thread atmosphere where everyone are just friends with each other. If noone confronts other people and where there are no conflicts it usually always ends up in a townie lynch. People just agreed on the first 2 things there were and i'd say it was 100% luck that one of the cases happened to be on scum. If Rean/Aqua would have both been town and I was not in the game ruining the end of D1 it would have been ideal scum atmosphere where noone does anything and all discussion is shut down.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
December 03 2013 07:48 GMT
#2823
On December 03 2013 16:43 sciberbia wrote:
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On December 03 2013 16:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually i do not think town was playing well for the first half of D1. Yes they were right, but for wrong reasons. Based on a case that was answered and noone updated their read on Rean after that, just said "but he is scum".


Well it's hard to definitively say whether the reasons were right or not. Only Rean could really tell us for sure. But given that town moved off of a town wagon (Aquanim) onto a scum one (Rean) I'm inclined to think they were doing something right. And I felt the atmosphere was mostly constructive up until that point.

Rayn I think you can make some good reads and sometimes look pretty smart, but presuming that you are right and everyone else in town is wrong to the point where you refuse to let town have their lynch is a bit much. I think you have to be more willing to concede the possibility that you are wrong (this goes for everyone).

My point is this:

JJD made the original case on Rean. That was the case people agreed on. JJD never questioned Rean about anything he said after that, nor did anyone else. Then i made him answer the points pointed at him in the case, and i found his answers reasonable. I dunno should i have done so, or not, but i did.

After that i unvoted him. Then other people came in and said "but Rean is scum" or "we should consolidate on Rean". That's retarded because the case is already answered to, and if people still think he is scum they should address and tear apart his answers. Noone did so. That made me think the votes on rean were either lazy townies or scum. Nobody updated the read on him, just called him scum based on something he already answered without reasonably commenting on the answers.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
December 03 2013 07:50 GMT
#2825
On December 03 2013 16:48 yamato77 wrote:
It's really depressing to me that the two players who need to learn the most are both convinced they did nothing wrong.

If you are referring to me i do know exactly what i did wrong.
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