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Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 25 2013 02:53 GMT
#1805
I just don't think we've seen enough time from the Chezinu/Jampidampi slot to be confident at all about lynching into it.

Alakaslam/Rean... maybe. but I think giving alak some more time is necessary.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 25 2013 02:56 GMT
#1810
Mocsta could you do my paranoia a favour and switch back onto JJD?
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 25 2013 02:59 GMT
#1816
if we get caught by deadline halfway through a swap we'll look really, really stupid
switch back
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 25 2013 03:01 GMT
#1824
fuck.

sorry jjd
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 25 2013 03:04 GMT
#1828
dammit corazon can you stop repeating that we got your message already
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 25 2013 03:07 GMT
#1830
On November 25 2013 12:05 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 12:04 Aquanim wrote:
dammit corazon can you stop repeating that we got your message already

How many town flips does it take for people to listen to what i have to say?

I listened to you. I was voting Onegu earlier. I changed my mind and decided JJD was scummier but I listened to your case.

Even so, repeating yourself now changes nothing. This is the position we're in and now we do what we can to get out of it.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 25 2013 03:07 GMT
#1831
Listening to you is not the same as agreeing with everything you say.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 25 2013 03:16 GMT
#1836
Fuck you Corazon.

I'm going out for a while. See you all later.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 25 2013 03:20 GMT
#1840
...I apologize for that outburst. Just tired of these recriminations.

peace out
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 25 2013 05:55 GMT
#1850
I've cooled off some and I'm back. Got any questions?
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 25 2013 05:55 GMT
#1851
The entire scumteam replacing out seems ridiculous though >.<
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 25 2013 06:14 GMT
#1855
I don't see how being self-centred makes him town.

"I know scum are always looking for who supports them, and who doesn't; but they typically evaluate all information (as they have the knowledge advantage). Whereas, this is written in a selfish/C.B. manner that I thinks aligns with town (i.e. blinkers are on)"
I don't even know what you're talking about here.

"Its obvious he is clearly evaluating his thread presence and monitoring how people respond to him based on thread presence (e.g sciberbia). Again, scum monitor this too; but I don't think they write about how every single person treats them."
I don't see why scum wouldn't do this, especially if they feel like they're required to update the thread on what they think about everyone.

"Look how he takes offense to Rean thinking Onegu should be flipped if Aqua is town.
If Onegu was scum, I would expect a discredit here instead of observation."
I wouldn't be suprised at a 'discredit' if he was scum but I don't think he would necessarily always do it if he was scum.

Summary: I'm unconvinced and what's more I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at. It might help if you rephrased your arguments.

I don't know that all of the scum is in Holy/Chez/Alak but I think one has to be and likely two are. For the purpose of evaluating Onegu's alignment I intend to look at how much any of those three were pushing for a JJD lynch over Onegu, particularly during the time period(s) where many people were voting for Onegu. If they were all wasting their time with other irrelevant shit other than pushing JJD, as IIRC they generally were, then that would indicate to me that Onegu might well be town.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 25 2013 06:15 GMT
#1856
The question is:

Did day 2 look like a 1-scum and 1-town wagon day, or a 2-town wagon day?"
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 25 2013 07:09 GMT
#1866
On November 25 2013 16:06 thrawn2112 wrote:
Chezinu, who is the dragon? Who is the sun?

Is the sun Moc-star? that's an awful pun if so
I got nothing re. the dragon.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 25 2013 07:20 GMT
#1871
On November 25 2013 16:18 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 12:16 Aquanim wrote:
Fuck you Corazon.

I'm going out for a while. See you all later.

Well first thing catching up on current events while I'm here before sleep. This crap is unnecessary, and especially since we didn't pay him enough credence (at least I didn't; I fess I didn't read his case through as I got notice I would have to leave and got in a rush)

Telling each other off gets town nowhere.

"Telling each other off" is what Corazon had been doing for the last page. And for a fair bit of this game too. Did you not notice that?
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 25 2013 08:42 GMT
#1888

What do you think about jampi's play? I want to hear aqua talk about this as well.

Well, he made absolutely no effort to steer the day 1 lynch. His fixation on that single post I made to him was dubious, I thought he was making a pretty big stretch to claim that I couldn't possibly make that post as town. (Not having an outside view of my play it's difficult for me to judge that, though.)

Fixating on somebody slightly maligning your play is a typical scum move I think and I reckon that perfectly decribes Jampi's play here.

He claimed he was willing to consolidate onto Rean, but never did - and didn't try actively to argue people back onto my wagon either. Some of his posts showed a fair bit of dubiousness about Rean:
On November 21 2013 23:21 jampidampi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 23:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The difference between Aquanim and Rean is both have made bad posts & contradicted themselves but unlike Aquanim, Rean admits he made a mistake or worded his thought poorly when it's pointed out. Aquanim makes up new reasons for his argument or licks strong players asses to make himself look better to them. And that is a fucking fact.

How does admitting mistakes make someone town? You seem quite certain that he is in fact town.

On November 21 2013 23:27 jampidampi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 23:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 21 2013 23:21 jampidampi wrote:
On November 21 2013 23:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The difference between Aquanim and Rean is both have made bad posts & contradicted themselves but unlike Aquanim, Rean admits he made a mistake or worded his thought poorly when it's pointed out. Aquanim makes up new reasons for his argument or licks strong players asses to make himself look better to them. And that is a fucking fact.

How does admitting mistakes make someone town? You seem quite certain that he is in fact town.

Because townies don't have to make shit up. I am not saying it makes him town but it makes him more town than a guy who makes shit up intead of admitting they were wrong.

Is there something else that makes you think Rean is town? Calling someone a misslynch is to me a clear indication that you though there was a high chance that he would flip town.

but there was never any further pressure on that front.

All in all it's pretty scummy. I don't have an especially high opinion of Jampi's town play so it's hard to rule it out... but I find it difficult to believe that he could think this was a productive way to spend his time as town.

(also what Mocsta said, I think he's hit the nail on the head this time)

The thread's moved on a bit so I'm not sure if you're still interested in this but what the hell.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 25 2013 09:10 GMT
#1895
I've never been any good at riddles :/
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 25 2013 10:52 GMT
#1900
@Alakaslam

Suppose I label the corners of a triangle in order of their acuteness. If I was to look upon you with the eyes of your vaunted chupazi, which corner would I see?
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 25 2013 11:10 GMT
#1904
On November 25 2013 20:03 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 19:52 Aquanim wrote:
@Alakaslam

Suppose I label the corners of a triangle in order of their acuteness. If I was to look upon you with the eyes of your vaunted chupazi, which corner would I see?

The third triangle, which is totally unique?


Good Morning everyone!! or rather is it night...

That rather depends on your perspective.

I have a question for you, Isunizehc.

Is it your opinion that this game is composed entirely of the brown and its component colours, or that there might be other, darker shades exerting a corrupting influence?
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 25 2013 11:37 GMT
#1907
I have another question.

Earlier in this game, the fate of Rayn fell from the heavens to the grave, precipitated by this post and those which came after.

What do you think the attitude of the red was to the fate of Rayn? Jubilation? Direct support? Indifference?
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