EPT@chinstrap when you say "scummiest looking guy" do you mean dragoon or DW?
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Derrida
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@chinstrap when you say "scummiest looking guy" do you mean dragoon or DW? | ||
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If I was around I would have definitely changed my vote after reading this: + Show Spoiler + I have to go soon, so here's my last word. I can't tell you guys how to think or how to use the information gained from me dying but I want to ask you guys to question your analysis. You will all be wrong in thinking I am scum, some of you, I feel, tried too hard to make something out of nothing. What I'm mostly referring to here is "scum buddy", defending Asuna, and "scum slip". I don't think you should target those who made cases against me because I feel like they were just making something out of nothing. My opinion is probably meaningless at this point but here is my scum ranking from most to least scummy: onlywonderboy, dnyarri, Day_Walker, Balla24, sidesprang, BigDad, Derrida, TheChyz, suki, JonnyLaw, Asuna, chinstrap This is my first game, really sad that I will die so early. I made mistakes which eventually led to my downfall, it doesn't help the fact that people overanalyzed my posts and made something out of nothing. I may seem scummy to some of you, but that's because you are actively looking for scum and trying to find anything you can use to get someone. I hope you reread my filter from a townie perspective and see that I was just really new to this. ggwp, gl town I hope you get it right next time. This just SHOUTS townie no matter how last minute, I wouldn't believe that the Dragoon could fake this act if he was scum given his previous level of reads. The foundation of my vote on him was that it was a "win-win situation," but reading his filter, it is clear that his analyses are improving as the game develops. I would probably unvote Dragoon, so I'm curious why more people who were present at the time of the deadline did not back down? Going through the final hour, it seems only Balla was actively there who didn't switch his vote, which is suspicious on its own, but his reaction to the switch is just odd, and he later apologizes for his "heated" reaction, which is odd once again because I mean come on, it wasn't that heated of a moment, was it? Day_Walker has came to Balla's aid by claiming that "I think suki and Balla look better after this, unconditionally. If I'm scum and I'm watching a vote swing away from a townie, I don't think I would impulsively blurt out an "Argh what the hell" or a "NO FUCK OFF YOU GUYS", regardless of the new target's alignment. But, for me, if someone was to do this, it would be Balla who has been consistently spearheading discussion, pressuring people, and doing in-depth analysis. It just seems that he is the most experienced and/or better player here, which means that such a move would may only be expected of him if he was scum, now he is guaranteed townie in everyones eyes. I mean how does that switch hurt Balla, and why does he just react that way? Which brings me to my next point; why did Jonny switch his vote? Seems as if the only thing that came out of his switch was Balla's reaction, which confirmed him townie in people's eyes. It seems as if this was a coordinated play by two good players to anchor themselves as townies and drag the town into mayhem. Now, even though I would unvote Dragoon, I don't see the point of jumping on the Dnyarri bandwagon just to policy lynch lurkers. It is true that he did not bring much to the table, but the fact that he was the first to vote on Dragoon (pointed raised by Jonny), doesn't say much about him to lynch. It is something to lynch him for lurking, but I mean switching your vote because he was the first to vote for Dragoon is something completely different. In his vote for Dragoon, Dnyarri says: Actually I have changed my primary target of suspicion from TheChyz to TheDragoon mainly because of this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434723¤tpage=16#316 TheDragoon stated that Day_Walker seemed like innocent even though Day_Walker had only posted one list and nothing else. Day_Walker's only vote is against TheChyz which doesn't mean much since TheChyz is easy bandwagoning target. TheDragoon's post give me the impression that he wants to slow voting down by defending (random) people while going to TheChyz-bandwagon and attacking nobody else. TheChyz is confusing but I'm not sure if it's carelessness or risk taking. My logic for calling him scum was somewhat faulted too I think. ##unvote ##vote: TheDragoon In my opinion this is just bad play and faulty analysis on the part of Dnyarri made just to have said something. Furthermore, noone jumps on this bandwagon by quoting Dnyarri so it is further irrelevant that Dnyarri was the one to vote first on Dragoon, which makes Jonny's switch even more suspicious. | ||
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Derrida
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It is one thing to lynch him for lurking, but I mean switching your vote because he was the first to vote for Dragoon is something completely different. | ||
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I wanted to observe the behavior of my two initial “red flagged” suspects in their natural habitat without any pressure on them. Besides, I do not like voting in a way that makes your vote insignificant, and as I have expressed numerous times I considered Dragoon’s lynch a “win-win” situation at the time. If I was around at the time of Dragoon’s latest post before he gets lynched, I would have switched my vote not to Dnyarri, but to Sidesprang for reasons I also elaborated earlier: On a side note, Sidesprang's filter is stil ringing all kinds of alarm bells for me. AFK for 24+ hours, comes in to vote Dragoon with a justification similar to mine, then just pokes at Dragoon some wishy-washy questions that do not contribute anything to the discussion. My concerns about Sidesprang continue in the post-lynch period given his lack of analysis once again. Something is just not right, he comes in for a short paragraph, asks Dnyarri about the switch, and poof, he’s gone once again. He is my currently third scum candidate. Regarding you, I still have my doubts. You were so adamant that Dragoon would turn scum before lynch and defended your position vs. Balla (here it is once again weird that Balla questions your level of clarity but does not switch his vote before lynch even after Dragoons final post). I would like to hear where you think your analysis have failed regarding Dragoon being a scum, and what are the implications of this. You are still a "red flag" but I have higher priorities right now in the form of Balla, Jonny as top 2 scums, and Sidesprang as the inactive third lurker. Jonny, in his four pages of talks, does not talk about Sidesprang ONCE. Balla does not have anything either. Just look at this: Would totally lynch sidesprang for lurking if I didn't feel like i had some good scum reads btw, just as a backup.. For sidesprang, i keep flip flopping on him Balla then once again mentions Sidesprang for lurking, but shifts the debate towards me and Sidesprang is off Balla’s mighty hook just that easy. Balla does not have a read/analysis on Sidesprang in his 12 pages of posts. What.the.hell? What happened to his initial proposed policy of lynching lurkers to make it harder for scums to lurk? | ||
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On January 07 2014 18:50 Balla24 wrote: you have certainly taught me well. these lurkers aren't even half as bad as we had in that first game either... I guess I shouldn't be worried about it... especially since sidesprang is definitely making enough of a contribution to read him Yet, does not post a read on Sidesprang. | ||
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I'm glad I completely made up random shit at start so when I died my stuff was not traced to my scumbuddies  | ||
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