TL Mafia LXIII: Time to Die

On November 08 2013 18:04 OOHCHILD wrote:
i'm not a smurf just too lazy to log into my other account atm an di dont know the password exactly...
/in kushm4sta

On November 15 2013 02:27 yamato77 wrote:
My mayor campaign is simple.

If I'm town, I'm the best townie in the game and am obvious choice to lead the D1 lynch.

On November 15 2013 08:43 VisceraEyes wrote:

This isn't the worst way to approach the mayoral race imo. Yamato prolly town. You should still vote for me, but if you vote for Yamato I wouldn't cry myself to sleep.

On November 15 2013 09:07 VisceraEyes wrote:

Fuck this. This is garbage.

On November 15 2013 09:09 VisceraEyes wrote:

Nonono. It's not what he said. It's how and when he said it. Think bigger Oats.

On November 15 2013 09:16 yamato77 wrote:

What's the point of this, Oats?

On November 15 2013 09:20 yamato77 wrote:

because no one had really posted at the time?

this is a stupid criticism

what are you going to do D1, Oats? Run for mayor? Or elect one?

On November 15 2013 09:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
What Oats said is patently false I've said who I want to lynch presently he's full of shit.

On November 15 2013 10:31 VisceraEyes wrote:

I called it town before he explained how he wrote it. Knowing that part of it was prewritten and part of it was written after some of the thread had occurred, it changes my read of him. I still lean town, but the post doesn't make him town.

On November 15 2013 10:35 VisceraEyes wrote:

Mine wasn't. It was shorter obviously, but he could have written that whole thing since he got his role PM. Did you see Fallout numbered mafia where I ran for mayor? I had a huge post and wrote the whole thing after I got my town role PM, the thought isn't infeasible to me.

What do you think about supersoft? Should I lynch it? I don't wanna lynch it but he makin it rul hard. In a non-homo kind of way.

On November 15 2013 10:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hopeless, Onegu and Koshi played with me in withcraft. I don't remember if someone else is in this game. Why?

On November 15 2013 11:16 Mocsta wrote:

So classic chainsaw defending oats is back in town.

Gg too easy.

Nice attempt to belittle my case. Storrzerg is an experienced player. Far from lynch bait.

Want to have another go and explain why you disagree with my findings.

On November 15 2013 11:16 VisceraEyes wrote:

I'm saying if he's scum I don't want him as mayor and if he's town I can't trust him to be mayor. I haven't said anything about his alignment.

On November 15 2013 11:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
Mocsta: StorrZerg, while being an experienced player, I think is a little intimidated by the format change. I don't think saying "Give the new guy a chance" while he's running for mayor is admissible as "playing the newb card" anyway.

And please don't get into it with Oats dude - I'm barely restraining myself as it is.

Oats gets the "worst player of the game" award though for essentially claiming scum this last day when he could have instead easily set up a DBZ/Oats dichotomy for the last team by just shutting the hell up.

On November 15 2013 10:53 Alakaslam wrote:

I fixed this for you, retaining all of your true intent, adding some compatible intent in te form of an inside joke, and containing equally flawed logic.


Wouldn't it be convenient if this was the scum team? Highly unlikely, but then it is highly unlikely that any single player is scum- yet there is a guarantee of at least one. Therefore, you should elect players based on what they say, being WARY of those who have shown exceptional skill as well as those who have little or no skill. In fact, we want an absolute moderate with regard to meta until a veteran has sufficiently shown themselves to be town to earn our trust- in which case a veteran becomes ideal.

This point is why I usually talk about Svengali at some point. However, that is just an attempt to sound laughable- a meta I plan to give one last ditch effort to destroy here before turning wholly to co/hosting games with the very occasional /in. Therefore, I will from now on refer to it thus; "The Peid Piper Problem". The pied piper mislead a bunch of rats through skill; so also can forum vets who rolled scum.

I'm not an Assassin, therefore I'm not running for mayor. That was the only case in which I actually planned to run.

I am still catching up.

On November 15 2013 11:05 Alakaslam wrote:

I disagree.

Either: He is right, you are scum,
Or: He is wrong, you both interact poorly here
Or: He is not only wrong, but he is intentionally wrong and actually Pied-Pipering you.

Or: something else. But VE is far from idiocy, I can give you am example of idiocy in a heartbeat and in fact will do so.

Game: Newbie Mini Mafia XLVIII
Filter: Alakaslam

Game: Aperture Mafia 2: Part 2
Filter: Alakaslam

For alignment specific idiocy.

Do not insult needlessly.

On November 15 2013 11:46 Alakaslam wrote:
Caught up.

I don't trust VE but I don't think he is scum yet. I don't claim to be able to read him; this is just a pair of Lincoln coppers I used to own.

Coag, I will probably do that, in inside jokes dispersed here anBlazinghand d there, if you want to waste your tunnel on me over that know that it is a waste, therefore antitown unless there are reasons to think I would THE GREAT bloody cobbler as scum- so give reasons why that is a valid reason to tunnel me if that is an honest threat.

That being said, I'm moving on to the vote thread after a bit more deliberation

On November 15 2013 12:07 Alakaslam wrote:

The last one is the only one I could conceivably see as being similar

Did you even understand me before? Or do I still fail to get my thoughts across?

On November 15 2013 12:08 VisceraEyes wrote:

Well you were being bad! And you call me bad all the time wtf?! If it means more coming from me because you perceive me to be good then why do you call me bad? Why do you antagonize?

It's a game of give and take - and you can only take what you give. You give hardly anything Oats - keeping up and commenting is barely giving. It's more than people who don't post anything, but barely. The way you play, it's how scum generally play man. That's why you catch a lot of shit and why people call you bad. I give you a lot of shit because I've seen you play better and when you don't I get salty and call you bad.

On November 15 2013 12:11 VisceraEyes wrote:

Oh...well, I was calling you bad because I was representing that I thought you were town. It would have been preferable if you'd gone with me on Prom and ended the game more assuredly, but you opposing me wasn't strictly speaking "bad" play.

I certainly disagree that you were the best scum in the game I HAD THAT SHIT LOCKED DOWN. But no, I don't think you played that poorly at all in Resistance.

On November 15 2013 12:14 Alakaslam wrote:

So do you now? How the hell am I supposed to word things? I have stopped trolling and my head hurts with the assumption of -_- during my leisure time. It's like working a 16 hour day for kicks but I'm thinking it will pay off irl to become more serious here.

On November 15 2013 12:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah that was leftover rage - understand that that post directly followed the endgame post which directly followed the situation I'm referring to. Having gone over the situation I fully admit to a bit of bias where that bit is concerned. I'm sorry Oats, I didn't mean to upset you. You know I love you. Here, come lie beside me. I won't let anyone hurt you anymore.

On November 15 2013 12:27 Alakaslam wrote:

So what is the cause? This is not usual for you far as I can see. I know I am not in the best position to talk about what is usual when I am purposefully setting out to destroy my own meta, but it is what I have to go in until you clarify a bit using some specifics.

What's causing it? Its not normal man. Im currently trying to change the way I post so I cant really comment on it, but can you explain in detail?

On November 15 2013 12:39 Mocsta wrote:

Every game I played with him he has been mislynched.
Even as a cop.

I dunno what you have got up ya ass. But you need to remove it.

On November 15 2013 12:40 yamato77 wrote:

He said "a role" not "my role". It's a claim.

On November 15 2013 20:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm tired of answering stuff regarding ss. I don't like playing with him and would like to see him removed for that reason, but I'm not going to go on about it unless he either becomes an actual candidate or I see something explicitly scummy about him.

Oats, what do you think about Rayn?

On November 15 2013 21:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also Oats is not scum so he doesn't need to be considered scummy unless he has somehow changed his playstyle upside down after the ##'s game.

Risen has overly paranoid reads as both alignments, there is no way of telling his alignment from those posts.

On November 15 2013 22:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: What i mean is he says so surreal stuff as either alignment it's impossible to tell his alignment at least on D1. You either policy lynch him or not but you can't justify having a scumread on him unless he scumslips majorly.

On November 15 2013 22:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well then you don't know Risen.

On November 15 2013 22:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Why are you asking dumb questions?
I just told why i find it extremely unlikely he would have done that as scum. The other option is that he is town and telling the truth.

On November 15 2013 23:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No the question is why would mafia!Lonemeow use mason on D1 on yamato, right at the game start, before posting anything at all? No.. fucking.. way.

On November 15 2013 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yamato is quite obviously town because he tries to shift the dicussion into right direction.

On November 16 2013 01:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here is why Holyflare is SCUM and should be lynched:
*also elect me as mayor*



1) I have never ever in this game called Risen town. Whoever says so does not make it true. There is nothing to rectify because i have not done so. Oats for example did ask me about it and i clarified why i said i will ignore Risen on D1. After that it has not been brought up. You on the other hand still bring up how I CALLED RISEN TOWN (false) and then rectified my statement (false). I ahve not changed my mind on anything so you are making shit up.

2) I clearly stated why your campaign is full of shit. Everything you said in the campaign had been brought up earlier in thread and there is no reason to write fancy non-alignment indicative words because the only thing that matter is that the mayor lynches scum. Period. Therefore the campaign is shit. Do you think BC/yamato/supersoft/VE/me/etc etc are all scum and don't really want to be mayor? Are we running for mayor? Why do you think we are not writing fancy posts about our awesomeness and plans on lynching scum as mayor? Because it does not make it anyone any more town and therefore those kinda campaigns are shit and mean absolutely nothing. So why did you write that post again?

3) Now you are calling me town for my reads. But that was not the reason you called me scum in the first place (lack of reads). How does my reads (oh they were also weak with no reasoning according to you) make me suddenly town when the reasons you called me scum for were something completely different? You can't even fucking know if i am right or wrong in my reads if you are town. So it makes no sense.

You are scum and making shit up.

On November 16 2013 13:56 VisceraEyes wrote:

Explain what you mean here. No one is making him do anything, so he's not. He's not giving opinions and not participating, but he doesn't have to. Where does decency come into it?

On November 16 2013 13:59 VisceraEyes wrote:

Oooohhh...

Ummm....but why? Like why is it more indecent to fuck off and not play as scum than it is as town?

On November 16 2013 14:00 VisceraEyes wrote:

He breadcrumbed earlier apparently musing about whether he should run. Said something about becoming "confirmed town". What do you make of that?

On November 18 2013 00:20 Mocsta wrote:

Yeah, Im finding you really distant this game - like you dont give a fuck about the game.
And you haven't used your trademark on anyone as far as I know.

Whats up with that?

On November 18 2013 13:52 Hopeless1der wrote:

wat

Do tell.

On November 18 2013 13:55 thrawn2112 wrote:


hey can you explain your koshi town read? I instantly recognized him as 100% conftown in WC2 and i'm not getting that same feeling here. do you know what I'm talking about? rayn touched on some of it earlier

On November 18 2013 14:01 thrawn2112 wrote:


uh I'd assume one becomes town by getting a town role pm

I've already explained why but I'm tired of doing so. He told me something in regards to his tracker claim that made me think he's town, and I'm gonna leave it to him to decide if he wants to share that with everyone else. I don't really trust people on TLmafia not to lynch him for what he told me lol

BH get in here this is annoying

On November 18 2013 14:02 Hopeless1der wrote:

Why am I scum? Explain that first please.

On November 18 2013 14:19 Hopeless1der wrote:

I voted VE for the sake of voting someone and possibly drawing attention to get discussion. I wasnt planning to be afk the next day and it didnt really matter, because now is the first I've seen anyone mention it.

On November 18 2013 14:30 Pandain wrote:
No because scum doesn't tell someone they fake-claim due to being busy. That seems more like a townie thing to do.

On November 18 2013 14:35 Hopeless1der wrote:
Oats the short version is you have so much filter and so little content. You don't seem to care.

On November 18 2013 14:39 Pandain wrote:
No they would probably reveal secretly to Thrawn to gain town cred that he's doing it to get shots/roleblocks. The fact he straight up told thrawn he's doing it because he's busy both makes sense in the perspective of this game and justifies(sadly) his claim.

On November 18 2013 15:02 Pandain wrote:
Hey Oats I'm going to fakeclaim because I don't want to get lynched

+ Show Spoiler +

On November 18 2013 15:41 Grackaroni wrote:
Hey Oats, can you elaborate on what you meant earlier when you said VE can't play this good as scum? I think he looks quite bad right now.

On November 18 2013 15:42 Pandain wrote:
No, it's not even about bad.

Why would scum fake claim 6 hours before?

On November 18 2013 15:45 Grackaroni wrote:

I wouldn't really argue against vigging him, but the too bad to be scum does usually end up correct. (It could actually just be because there are more bad players than scum players.)

On November 18 2013 15:57 Grackaroni wrote:

He wouldn't fully flesh out any real reasoning for his mayor lynch targets being scum. The fact that he ended up lynching Skanjab. I also don't like the way he started accusing me of "breaking character" as soon as I attempted to question Mocsta.

On November 18 2013 16:02 Risen wrote:
Can we lynch Pandain?

On November 18 2013 16:07 Grackaroni wrote:

No I don't think that's accurate. I trolled my way through most of the dick measuring contest and Mocsta's post was the first thing that actually struck me as scummy. I had wanted to try to question him and he pushed me into defending myself and my trolling.

On November 18 2013 16:09 Blazinghand wrote: I did what I needed to do to try to avoid getting mislynched by the insane yamato D1, and you know what? It worked.

On November 18 2013 16:35 Blazinghand wrote:
well look at grack's play, oats. I'm completely serious here. if you had a scummate playing like this (link) and you are a 2-shot vigi isn't a bus the most sensible play?

On November 18 2013 20:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I can't help but notice that two of the three scumshots were people critical of VE (Yamato, Spaghetticus). StorrZerg doesn't count since it was the only shot Mocsta could make if he wanted to claim, and even he wasn't positive about VE. I'm not sure if it's a set up or if we should be looking into our mayor with a lot more scrutiny than before.

On November 18 2013 23:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also I don't think Marv would put BH at the head of a scumteam due to his tendency to troll.

On November 19 2013 01:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


He types carefully in general and ignores his teammates. The interaction with grack this game from what I saw in both games filters is completely unique. Its only that reason that it stands out to me.

On November 19 2013 10:56 supersoft wrote:


you haven't said why. You contradict yourself all the time
you called him an assassin AFTER the lynch.

On November 19 2013 11:00 supersoft wrote:


what? you called VE assassin, because of the person he lynched!
How did you know before the lynch, that skanjab is town?

lol. You're digging your own grave right now

On November 19 2013 11:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oats I don't know why you think I'm Assassin, but I'm not so your reasoning is ridiculous whatever it is.

On November 19 2013 11:05 VisceraEyes wrote:

No, I'm town. Unlike you, I've been playing like I give a shit about town winning the game.

On November 19 2013 11:07 supersoft wrote:


lol now you're just trying confuse me. lol.

On November 17 2013 02:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
FUCK YOU VE.

WHY DO YOU INSIST ON LYNCHING TOWN.

VOTE NOT VE.

On November 19 2013 11:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
Whatever ur bad. And ur scum. And after BH flips you can die next. <3

On November 19 2013 11:18 supersoft wrote:
lol. You think i cannot see through your cheap drama ^_^

On November 19 2013 11:23 supersoft wrote:


i do this all the time, when I am scum. As town, i try to be useful.

On November 19 2013 11:26 supersoft wrote:


and i thought you're trying to tell me, that your play is completely uncommon for scum.

On November 19 2013 11:43 supersoft wrote:


okay cool, so we try it the other way around:
what did you do this game, what doesn't fit your scumplay?

There are AT LEAST 7-8 reads where Oats has been calling actions null and putting a stopper in the discussion because of it. It looks worse when you find out that the first read he gave, without being told to give a read on that person was (excluding the random VE IS SCUM OMG!) post is on mocsta. His read? The total wishy washy thing in the spoiler above... maybe town/maybe scum.... Does he elaborate on mocsta again since then? Hah, of course fucking not. He posts this:

On November 20 2013 10:08 Hopeless1der wrote:

Correct you arrogant fuck. Scum just got a free night of nk's. grats

On November 20 2013 10:09 supersoft wrote:


You hang tomorrow! Oh I get you hanged, even if i have to enlarge my filter to 100 pages!

On November 20 2013 10:15 supersoft wrote:


You die tomorrow :-)

On November 20 2013 10:18 supersoft wrote:


hahaha I want your scalp as a trophy

On November 20 2013 11:51 Grackaroni wrote:

vehemently.

On November 21 2013 13:33 Holyflare wrote:


Have you even been reading...?

On November 21 2013 13:37 Mig wrote:


1) I already answered that, maybe if you read the thread you would know these things.

2) way to completely ignore my point broski. Give me a motivation for claiming the vig shot as mafia. Lets hear it.

On November 21 2013 13:41 Holyflare wrote:


I haven't changed that, I'm asking why you call SS and BC scummy but vote only SS and risen? I want to know specifically what reasoning you have to choose 1 over the other. If you haven't read there are a lot of other things that happened over the night to talk about, your read on SS would be unfounded though unless you actually read. He has mason logs and things too.

On November 21 2013 13:51 Risen wrote:

Amount of surprise is less than the number of townies alive at endgame when I wiped the floor in World Heavyweight Championship.

On November 21 2013 15:40 Coagulation wrote:


yeah oats lynch people who are proven to be following thread and calling out bullshit when they see it to help town. good plan.

On November 21 2013 18:55 Risen wrote:

Don't know if english is your first language or not, so I probably shouldn't have been so harsh. I'll walk you through it bud.


I didn't. It wasn't a joke, in my opinion. It was a lie or a troll taken too far. Both are anti-town so policy lynch Grack to create a better TL. If he's town then fuck him hopefully he learns his lesson. If he's scum fuck him die scummer. My votes are currently on Grack and SS. This can be seen in the voting thread. I can't quite teach you how to read over the internet, but I'm sure you can find someone willing to help you.


I nightkilled you because you were horrible and unworthy of being in the final day with me. I kept the people I felt were playing the best with me as long as possible. Read my QT, I go into no small amount of depth on the subject. My diary can be found here for those wanting to see my masterpiece. http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/aQ5GRH9NDu9N

On November 21 2013 22:04 Koshi wrote:
Oats are you telling me there are 0 scums on Yamato? Who was killing BH?
Who is scum out of VA & rayn?

On November 21 2013 21:57 Koshi wrote:
Only to rayn. Because:
1) He pushed everybody away from you D2.
2) He only mentioned you briefly in the thrawn/rayn mason but didn't do shit all around you otherwise.

Also I am certain I thought you 2 were scum on day 1. I already forgot why.

On November 22 2013 10:20 austinmcc wrote:
(Oats this is the part of the game where I try to stare into your soul and see if I can go three in a row)