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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
December 08 2013 03:44 GMT
#7777
On December 08 2013 12:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 08:38 supersoft wrote:
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA SCUM HAHAHAHA YOU LOOOSE! BETTER SURRENDER NOW, PUSSYS!


Dat doublestack lol. "Risen 200% scum, oats 100% scum. Re:SS reads"

I'm sad I never suicided. Its so up my alley too.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
December 08 2013 03:49 GMT
#7784
@pandain SS was mostly because pardon vet and a little because he actually is kind of good at this game. Granted, completely wrong when we killed him but BC is pretty good at the mason-game so that messed up alot of his reads.

I'd like to see if BC wants to gloat or not tbh.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
December 08 2013 03:59 GMT
#7792
On December 08 2013 12:51 Holyflare wrote:
Oh yeh he was rb too that's why :D

Bc called us terrible in obs qt btw, meh

Yeah rb-pardoner-vet town SS.
#damnnatureyouscary
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
December 08 2013 06:17 GMT
#7814
I can't believe I got away with being invisible for so long this game. My activity and general usefulness skyrocket when I'm legitimately up for lynch, I wanted to end up squeaking out an extra day just to turn up dead in the morning latched onto the towniest looking player.

Meanwhile, there is marv in the obsQT struggling to keep his information to himself and still no one said a thing about me. I'm a freaking ninja!

p.s. I cant access the spreadsheet. should I actually request permission or can it be made public?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
December 08 2013 06:28 GMT
#7817
On December 08 2013 15:25 Pandain wrote:
You guys shouldn't be shitting up a thread now meant for post-analysis.

Good for Coag for resolving the situation one way or another.

Yeah Hopeless, honestly if I wasn't so hooked on your attitude in the thread(which I guess now is too fake/adamant to be real), you didn't actually do anything in the game

Aside from cast aspersions at you and sheep austin, I agree I was largely useless. I still wish I'd managed to get you lynched. That would have been a real feather in my cap.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-08 14:42:35
December 08 2013 14:41 GMT
#7847
On December 08 2013 21:33 Adam4167 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2013 21:06 syllogism wrote:
On November 25 2013 08:39 Hopeless1der wrote:
I did see your response but I'm still on my phone.

I'll get around to tunnelling you don't worry. Right after I figure out how to save risen.

On November 25 2013 08:48 Hopeless1der wrote:
Everyone voting Risen, if you're town this is unacceptable because SS has proven himself to be completely untrustworthy. BC has proven himself capable of fooling the guy you are sheeping. You can't all be scum, so what gives?

On November 25 2013 12:24 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 25 2013 09:33 Grackaroni wrote:
Hopeless why do you think Risen is town?

I dont think he's town, this lynch just feels shitty is all. Going to bed now so I'll try to make something happen in the morning.

There is no way someone is town after this sequence of posts. Then on the following day he votes risen without any justification at all.


And there you go. A simple case, a single line.

It shows a clear disconnect in logical thought processes in just a 4 hour period where Hopeless says 'Right after I figure out how to save Risen' to 'I don't think hes town, its just a shitty lynch'. Do you frequently try to derail lynches on someone you have a 'not town' or 'null' read on? Does any townie do this, ever? Nope.

Then to vote him the next day without reason should have moved him into the 'kill with fire' category.

I'd LOVE to have seen his response to this case if someone had picked up on it at the time.



My response to syllo's case on me being scum Re: my stance on Risen is based largely on the context of those posts:
+ Show Spoiler +


Syllo, two of those three points are basically jokes.

First quote, I was referencing this from holy, note "save" in his quote:
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On November 25 2013 08:34 Holyflare wrote:
On November 25 2013 08:33 Hopeless1der wrote:
For a "pretty important" lynch you (and a lot of people) are quite content to slap a vote on Risen and then nope the fuck out of the thread.


So where are your reads to "save" risen then, angry man?

Second quote was my attempt to mock Pandain, because he's scum and he needs to fucking die. Actually I'd say Risen is almost certainly town and Pandain is working for towncred. BC had no intention of killing Pandain and did it to WIFOM the shit out of us. Looks like it worked like a fucking charm too, so gratz on the free win scumteam. Maybe town can pull its collective heads from its asses to get this lynch on to scum?

Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 12:24 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 25 2013 09:33 Grackaroni wrote:
Hopeless why do you think Risen is town?

I dont think he's town, this lynch just feels shitty is all. Going to bed now so I'll try to make something happen in the morning.

Yeah this one has changed, Pandain is trying to soak town-cred by looking reasonable. Can someone please respond to my goddamn cases on him?



Some parts of this case may have changed depending on when someone decided to call me out, but that would have been the jist of it. I think I would have gotten away with the snarky joke-type posts considering my "claim"
On November 24 2013 13:24 Hopeless1der wrote:
SS' final reads can take a backseat. Anyone using the fact that he's confirmed town as reasoning to say that SS is all of a sudden 100% right needs to slap themselves in the face as hard as they can. Take your dominant hand (for most people that's the right hand) and draw it in a rapid motion from right-to-left (left-to-right if left-handed) such that your palm strikes your cheek in a glancing but definitive contact that results in a jarring sensation. Good. Now play the fucking game you pieces of shit holy fuck balls dhjfsdahgkfjgshdvmdfiahfueahlguahlfhvkmfdvuhfglnwefujludhlfkjngfjnkj.

Disregard the WIFOM bombs caused by BC's voteswitch because that is exactly what it is - WIFOM. Explain why Risen is scum without BC incriminating him. In the meantime, explain how Pandain is town, knowing that he at some point has lied, either TO confirmed-town-supersoft in their masonchat or to the thread regarding said masonchat, or debunk my case on Pandain, or since you all have such a fucking hard-on for flipped townies, read Rayn's case on Pandain. I'm headed to bed shortly, and I'll be away from my computer until tomorrow evening. Maybe some phone posting tomorrow.
##Vote: Pandain

Btw, I'm 3rd party planar dragon, because semi-open setups with minimal notifications get broken by mass-claims (see OATS IS SCUM BECAUSE RB HERP DERP FUCKING SS CONFIRMED TOWN GREATEST EVAR OMG).

Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
December 08 2013 14:59 GMT
#7849
I would agree with you syllo. Town had a hard on to follow SS' reads since he was doublestacked. I wanted to get attention on me so I'd have an excuse to suicide, but floundering on Risen didn't give enough people second thoughts on me, so I continued to lurk and coasted to endgame.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
December 08 2013 16:08 GMT
#7853
Thanks captain hindsight =P
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
December 08 2013 16:29 GMT
#7857
That thrawn bus was so colossally bad for scum that we all rode his corpse to confirmed-town land by virtue of "no scum is so bad as to bus in that scenario".
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
December 08 2013 23:27 GMT
#7887
Thank you to marv and the cohosts. Game was run impeccably as far as I can tell. No mistakes on night actions, lots of reminders, fair warnings. Clean hosting all around, with the minor exception of marv not being around at endgame, which he gave reasonable notice for.

I'd also like to commend austin on continuing to play in what has to be the towniest play-style and player in this game. Hats off to you austin, a true example of how to play when you have the veteran role.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
December 09 2013 00:08 GMT
#7891
On December 09 2013 08:34 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2013 08:27 Hopeless1der wrote:
Thank you to marv and the cohosts. Game was run impeccably as far as I can tell. No mistakes on night actions, lots of reminders, fair warnings. Clean hosting all around, with the minor exception of marv not being around at endgame, which he gave reasonable notice for.

I'd also like to commend austin on continuing to play in what has to be the towniest play-style and player in this game. Hats off to you austin, a true example of how to play when you have the veteran role.

I actually disagree, I think Austin needs to consolidate his posts more. He was really obviously town but his posts are so verbose that it deters people from reading through his filter, which is a shame because his reads were probably the best of any townie this game. (Led the charge on Thrawn and BC). The filter was bordering on Rayn territory haha.

Austin continued to put effort into the game when most of the other players had completely tuned out. People didnt need to read his posts thoroughly to understand what he was saying, the jist of it was always there and he oozed town all over. If 1 or 2 other players would have been inspired by him to go try-hard on the game it could have turned out very differently for us. It wasnt meaningless spam or arguments with other players either, it was very often the results of filter dives, and while they were longish posts he didnt take 2 pages to go through 1 filter (See Slam's phone-post shenanigans).
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
December 09 2013 00:17 GMT
#7893
Another thing, regarding rayn's spamminess. Its not just because rayn spams. Its because he jumps his reads so often that he is constantly bullying his latest target and basically calls half the game scum.

Rayn your reads and instincts are pretty good, you just dont stop to actually decide what it is that you want to do once you've "caught" scum (sometimes not always scum but thats not the problem). You keep going full steam into anyone who crosses your path, and while being suspicious of everyone is probably the prudent choice, you alienate the town when people learn that by disagreeing with you, they will probably be called scum for it. I would sincerely like to ask, do people tend to re-read their OWN filter through the game?



I'm not sure if its an ego thing, but if you get lynched, enough wisdom of the crowds has happened to decide you were scummy. Some of that is mafia influenced but YOU are responsible if you get lynched. So many players have thrown hissy fits over "well I'm so obv town so FUCK YOU guy". That attitude is complete bullshit and I hope people learn to get off their high horse and take a look in the mirror once in a while. Go read Pandain's ppstgame self-reflection for a good template of how to take an objective stance on your own play.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-05 13:37:57
January 05 2014 13:37 GMT
#7903
wrong thread whoops
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