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On November 17 2013 04:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 04:22 supersoft wrote:On November 17 2013 04:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
no supersoft i meant the Sharrant post that says absolutely nothing and you think it's really good. I said it's good, not really good and i said with good i mean looking town. Is something wrong with your eyes or what. Can you tell me what taht post actually says?
holy moses, can you please shut up. wtf are you trying to do here. Wanna say I am scum for looking through the filters and out the people in the thread, that have only one filterpage?
Sharrant is the least scummyperson of the persons that have only one page.
Am I scum for having that opinion or what?
you're so annoying.
Doing nothing. Sitting in this thread, and chatting with that koshkoshguy, you fail to analyze seriously, even though you were a hydra with him.
Get out of my way.
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How the hell is some crumb alignment indicative?
what am I doing here... I am talking to someone who crumbs tracker with panthead. wow.
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----- lol, okay lynch me. I accept it -----
There are people not voting for their favourites, because they don't want to be in the minority. They even say that openly in the thread.
there are people that claim tracker with some comic reference.
There are people who are willing to believe that claim.
there is yamato (Green but completely useless in scumhunting) is leading in votes... FOR A PLACE IN THE OFFICE
there is VE who just refuses to teamplay.
there is rayn and koshi who chat with each other and fill about 5 pages with accusing each other without ANY substance behind the accuses.
there is grackaroni who talks in third person like a retard
there is pandain who is masoned to me and who is obviously scum.
there is Lonemeow who only talks to crazyyamato
there is mig claiming scum with his terrible notes and his more than obvious lack of interst in this game - which can easily be seen, because he doesnt follow up any questions. i ignore his questions intentionally, to test his interest in this game. He probably just forgot about them, because he just doesnt care.
Ah, yes, there is coagulation, who claims randomly medic. I think twice and beside that doesnt post anything reasonable at all.
And then there I am, OBVIOUSLY town, and obviously without any protection n1, so
all in all, it would fit the pattern of this game really nicely if you'd lynch me day1.
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hm okay, now let's talk serious business here. I think i figured BHs claim out:
On November 17 2013 03:47 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 01:24 yamato77 wrote:On November 17 2013 01:18 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 17 2013 01:14 yamato77 wrote:The biggest gripe I have have with Austin is how he approached this: On November 15 2013 12:50 austinmcc wrote:On November 15 2013 12:43 yamato77 wrote:On November 15 2013 12:40 austinmcc wrote:On November 15 2013 12:37 yamato77 wrote:On November 15 2013 09:16 hiro protagonist wrote:
Thats cool VE. but this was my plan before I got a role. I think its a good one ^__^ Obviously a claim. Ah. I don't read it that way, but I see where you at. I will say that, assuming a non-infinite amount of rock-lifting power, Hiro is not a rock I'm interested in looking under today. Are you going to run for mayor? If not, who would you elect? I think so, but am not entirely sure atm. I generally think of myself as someone able to show that he's townie early, to assuage any doubts, and I'm usually decent at the game. I feel like I'd make a good mayor. Right now, my focus is on getting a handle on a couple people in the game, solidifying D1 reads on them, and then moving towards a good lynch target. If I were to elect someone RIGHT NOW, it would actually be hiropro I think. I'm not going to vote for a person on the basis of their scumread right now, it's way too early in the game for that. So I'd have to vote one of my strongest townreads, and just trust that I can identify a townie to whom I can give a vest and bonus vote, currently looking at Hiro or Holy I think? Not only is hiro someone who has subsequently fallen off the map, but Austin went to AMAZING lengths to justify this super town read of hiro so early on. He's never really updated who he wants to be mayor at all. In fact, all Austin's done since this point in time is prod 2 players about things, Pandain and Onegu. He's responsive when questioned and appears pro-town, but Austin is capable of those things as mafia. What I want to know is, who does he want for mayor now, and why? If he were mayor, who would he lynch? I don't see much along these lines in his filter. He mentions the mayor talk "doesn't do much" for him, yet when he was town in LIX, he ran for mayor and actively participated in the campaigning D1. This game, Austin's firmly in the group of players right below the super townie active ones which is where he usually is as mafia. Perhaps I'm taking this a bit far, but he seems like mafia to me. I'd rather lynch BH over him, but he's second on the list at the moment. Wait, rehash the reasoning what BH is doing right now is non-town-BH again for me plz. Read his filter in Hogwarts. A BH who isn;t trying at all is a scum BH. He can be invovled, a la Thug Life, as town. There's no good excuse for how he's playing this game except that he's mafia. I've played trolly and non-trolly as both scum and town. It's certainly not helpful when I'm a lurking troll D1 as town but it happens all the time and it's always the same conversation when it does. Here's how it goes. Some guy: hey why is bh so quiet and unhelpful? he did this once as scum, therefore he is scum Me, or sometimes someone who knows me: yeah that's not really alignment indicative. BH definitely CAN be lurky and useless as scum but it happens when he is town as well; and him being active is not a towntell for him either. Basically the only towntell for BH is him catching scum Some guy: but I want to lynch BH based on a poor understanding of his meta!!!! wahhh so in any case let me know if you want to have that conversation, again, with real words, or if this will suffice for you. Lynching me today is a terrible idea. don't do it.
if take the letters at the beginning, you get ihsmafssm if you switch the h with the i you already have hismafssm and vigilante also has an i on the second position.
Who don't we analyze that interesting peace of nonesense for the next couple of hours?
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On November 17 2013 04:53 supersoft wrote:hm okay, now let's talk serious business here. I think i figured BHs claim out: Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 03:47 Blazinghand wrote:On November 17 2013 01:24 yamato77 wrote:On November 17 2013 01:18 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 17 2013 01:14 yamato77 wrote:The biggest gripe I have have with Austin is how he approached this: On November 15 2013 12:50 austinmcc wrote:On November 15 2013 12:43 yamato77 wrote:On November 15 2013 12:40 austinmcc wrote:On November 15 2013 12:37 yamato77 wrote:On November 15 2013 09:16 hiro protagonist wrote:
Thats cool VE. but this was my plan before I got a role. I think its a good one ^__^ Obviously a claim. Ah. I don't read it that way, but I see where you at. I will say that, assuming a non-infinite amount of rock-lifting power, Hiro is not a rock I'm interested in looking under today. Are you going to run for mayor? If not, who would you elect? I think so, but am not entirely sure atm. I generally think of myself as someone able to show that he's townie early, to assuage any doubts, and I'm usually decent at the game. I feel like I'd make a good mayor. Right now, my focus is on getting a handle on a couple people in the game, solidifying D1 reads on them, and then moving towards a good lynch target. If I were to elect someone RIGHT NOW, it would actually be hiropro I think. I'm not going to vote for a person on the basis of their scumread right now, it's way too early in the game for that. So I'd have to vote one of my strongest townreads, and just trust that I can identify a townie to whom I can give a vest and bonus vote, currently looking at Hiro or Holy I think? Not only is hiro someone who has subsequently fallen off the map, but Austin went to AMAZING lengths to justify this super town read of hiro so early on. He's never really updated who he wants to be mayor at all. In fact, all Austin's done since this point in time is prod 2 players about things, Pandain and Onegu. He's responsive when questioned and appears pro-town, but Austin is capable of those things as mafia. What I want to know is, who does he want for mayor now, and why? If he were mayor, who would he lynch? I don't see much along these lines in his filter. He mentions the mayor talk "doesn't do much" for him, yet when he was town in LIX, he ran for mayor and actively participated in the campaigning D1. This game, Austin's firmly in the group of players right below the super townie active ones which is where he usually is as mafia. Perhaps I'm taking this a bit far, but he seems like mafia to me. I'd rather lynch BH over him, but he's second on the list at the moment. Wait, rehash the reasoning what BH is doing right now is non-town-BH again for me plz. Read his filter in Hogwarts. A BH who isn;t trying at all is a scum BH. He can be invovled, a la Thug Life, as town. There's no good excuse for how he's playing this game except that he's mafia. I've played trolly and non-trolly as both scum and town. It's certainly not helpful when I'm a lurking troll D1 as town but it happens all the time and it's always the same conversation when it does. Here's how it goes. Some guy: hey why is bh so quiet and unhelpful? he did this once as scum, therefore he is scum Me, or sometimes someone who knows me: yeah that's not really alignment indicative. BH definitely CAN be lurky and useless as scum but it happens when he is town as well; and him being active is not a towntell for him either. Basically the only towntell for BH is him catching scum Some guy: but I want to lynch BH based on a poor understanding of his meta!!!! wahhh so in any case let me know if you want to have that conversation, again, with real words, or if this will suffice for you. Lynching me today is a terrible idea. don't do it. if take the letters at the beginning, you get ihsmafssm if you switch the h with the i you already have hismafssm and vigilante also has an i on the second position. Who don't we analyze that interesting peace of nonesense for the next couple of hours?
why*
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On November 17 2013 04:56 Pandain wrote:
Supersoft since you wont answer in mason chat, who do you want to lynch first
Someone from this group probably:
Grack, coagulation, Hopeless1der, Storr, hiro protagonist, Risen, OOHCHILD (mostly because of his terrible reasoning for not voting BC/me) tbh: you're still a candidate even though you vote for me.
mig might be a target, i mean he's a strong townread, but usually I don't like to kill vets day1.
it's a huge group right now, but i hadn't had the time to separate bad townies from scum.
If I reread the whole thread, the list might change a lot.
But i'll write some cases up in the next couple of hours and I want to disuss this especially with BC.
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On November 17 2013 05:08 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 04:56 Pandain wrote:
Supersoft since you wont answer in mason chat, who do you want to lynch first Someone from this group probably: Grack, coagulation, Hopeless1der, Storr, hiro protagonist, Risen, OOHCHILD (mostly because of his terrible reasoning for not voting BC/me) tbh: you're still a candidate even though you vote for me. mig might be a target, i mean he's a strong townread***, but usually I don't like to kill vets day1. it's a huge group right now, but i hadn't had the time to separate bad townies from scum. If I reread the whole thread, the list might change a lot. But i'll write some cases up in the next couple of hours and I want to disuss this especially with BC.
***scumread obviously.
He's like my strongest scumread by far.
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On November 17 2013 05:09 austinmcc wrote:super, can you explain (2) here? Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 22:55 supersoft wrote:On November 15 2013 22:50 Mocsta wrote:@Supersoft, - 2 questions (1) Is VE still dodgy, or has artanis taken his stead? + (2) What do you think of Hopeless1der? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434275&user=Hopeless1derI am aware that he was only present during the very early game where trolling is common; however, I find this quote unusual for town to make. On November 15 2013 08:26 Hopeless1der wrote:
VE you got some credentials? How many successful mayor campaigns have you run? Maybe this is written very dry and the joke is going over my head; but I am interpreting this as giving contemplation to voting VE. BTW, which occurs here: On November 15 2013 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 15 2013 08:49 Coagulation wrote:On November 15 2013 08:47 Hopeless1der wrote:
Any campaign for kush gets a solid "yeah, no" from me. No offense to kush but I did kind of tell yamato i wanted to win. kush is really good at scum hunting actually. probably better than 90% of the players here. Hes just non communique *must...not...feeed....troll* ##Vote: VisceraEyes My issue is that, I don't think a townie would given any sort of consideration to that criteria for considering a mayor. Fact is, town want in a mayor someone they think is a good player + standing out as town + has identified why their lynch choice is a solid candidate. You're a deep analyser of motivation; do you agree that the above is not evident in the mindset of Hopelss1der? (1) No, I am slightly leaning town on both of them right now. Their behaviour fits their townplay. it's okay. Feel slightly better about VE. Artanis is little more than 0. (2) got to think about this.
mhm i didn't follow that one up, because I couldn't deceide whether hopeless is scum or bad townie.
+ i don't fully agree that these credentials are irellevant if you're town.
I mean it might be interesting to read a game where your mayorcandidate actually is mayor before you vote him so i think that comment isn't really a tell.
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On November 17 2013 05:11 austinmcc wrote:
Also super, I know your list includes a couple very low volume/contribution posters. Is cheesecake off the list because you think he's town, or just super duper forgettable and he should actually be on there?
I don't want to kill someone who doesnt participate at all, these guys can be town or scum you never ever know it for sure.
I know that if i get elected, I have to kill scum, to prevent the inevitable discussion whether I am scum for not killing scum or not.
Yes there are still some of these people on that list, but I am here and I will work on my scumreads until the deadline comes.
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On November 17 2013 05:15 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 05:13 supersoft wrote:On November 17 2013 05:09 austinmcc wrote:super, can you explain (2) here? On November 15 2013 22:55 supersoft wrote:On November 15 2013 22:50 Mocsta wrote:@Supersoft, - 2 questions (1) Is VE still dodgy, or has artanis taken his stead? + (2) What do you think of Hopeless1der? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434275&user=Hopeless1derI am aware that he was only present during the very early game where trolling is common; however, I find this quote unusual for town to make. On November 15 2013 08:26 Hopeless1der wrote:
VE you got some credentials? How many successful mayor campaigns have you run? Maybe this is written very dry and the joke is going over my head; but I am interpreting this as giving contemplation to voting VE. BTW, which occurs here: On November 15 2013 08:55 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 15 2013 08:49 Coagulation wrote:On November 15 2013 08:47 Hopeless1der wrote:
Any campaign for kush gets a solid "yeah, no" from me. No offense to kush but I did kind of tell yamato i wanted to win. kush is really good at scum hunting actually. probably better than 90% of the players here. Hes just non communique *must...not...feeed....troll* ##Vote: VisceraEyes My issue is that, I don't think a townie would given any sort of consideration to that criteria for considering a mayor. Fact is, town want in a mayor someone they think is a good player + standing out as town + has identified why their lynch choice is a solid candidate. You're a deep analyser of motivation; do you agree that the above is not evident in the mindset of Hopelss1der? (1) No, I am slightly leaning town on both of them right now. Their behaviour fits their townplay. it's okay. Feel slightly better about VE. Artanis is little more than 0. (2) got to think about this. mhm i didn't follow that one up, because I couldn't deceide whether hopeless is scum or bad townie. + i don't fully agree that these credentials are irellevant if you're town. I mean it might be interesting to read a game where your mayorcandidate actually is mayor before you vote him so i think that comment isn't really a tell. Do you think that those two posts are enough to call someone scum or bad townie?
I think these posts are definetely not enough. If I overthink them, i might come to any conclusion i guess :D
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On November 17 2013 05:20 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 05:15 supersoft wrote:On November 17 2013 05:11 austinmcc wrote:
Also super, I know your list includes a couple very low volume/contribution posters. Is cheesecake off the list because you think he's town, or just super duper forgettable and he should actually be on there? I don't want to kill someone who doesnt participate at all, these guys can be town or scum you never ever know it for sure. I know that if i get elected, I have to kill scum, to prevent the inevitable discussion whether I am scum for not killing scum or not. Yes there are still some of these people on that list, but I am here and I will work on my scumreads until the deadline comes. Okay, just checking. I haven't engaged you and am unsure on elected-you. Last time you got an extra life, I think you were short on time (you were rezzed as a ghost in some game we played where I was scum), and the game was a MESS, but it didn't go very well. I know our team initially killed you because you were onto someone or someones, but once you were confirmed town and alive again, it just didn't feel like you did much, and your reads got turned around.
I only remember i defended the shit out of some other ver (Foolishness or BC) and when i came back i think marv convinced me that he was scum, but he wasn't and I built a scumteam around him and failed completely :D
Yes, that was the worst game i ever played. I am not immune to mistakes. And even if you might think i am arrogant and that I have a huge Ego, I admit my mistakes and I am always ready to think twice about my reads.
+ I always trust my brain and not my heart. I never lynch someone because I don't like him and I never show mercy because I like someone.
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On November 17 2013 05:33 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 05:27 supersoft wrote:On November 17 2013 05:20 austinmcc wrote:On November 17 2013 05:15 supersoft wrote:On November 17 2013 05:11 austinmcc wrote:
Also super, I know your list includes a couple very low volume/contribution posters. Is cheesecake off the list because you think he's town, or just super duper forgettable and he should actually be on there? I don't want to kill someone who doesnt participate at all, these guys can be town or scum you never ever know it for sure. I know that if i get elected, I have to kill scum, to prevent the inevitable discussion whether I am scum for not killing scum or not. Yes there are still some of these people on that list, but I am here and I will work on my scumreads until the deadline comes. Okay, just checking. I haven't engaged you and am unsure on elected-you. Last time you got an extra life, I think you were short on time (you were rezzed as a ghost in some game we played where I was scum), and the game was a MESS, but it didn't go very well. I know our team initially killed you because you were onto someone or someones, but once you were confirmed town and alive again, it just didn't feel like you did much, and your reads got turned around. I only remember i defended the shit out of some other ver (Foolishness or BC) and when i came back i think marv convinced me that he was scum, but he wasn't and I built a scumteam around him and failed completely :D Yes, that was the worst game i ever played. I am not immune to mistakes. And even if you might think i am arrogant and that I have a huge Ego, I admit my mistakes and I am always ready to think twice about my reads. + I always trust my brain and not my heart. I never lynch someone because I don't like him and I never show mercy because I like someone. No, that game was ridiculous. We let marv and foolishness fight, caused town to DISTRUST a mod-confirmed flip, and a couple other things. It's not fully indicative of your normal play. We were also in bureaucracy together (and both got banned  ) and I had no problem with your play there. I care mildly about ego/arrogance, only because I really do believe in happy atmospheres yielding good town results. I don't want you mayor because of that.
I didn't get banned in bureaucrazy! I shot Foolishness the scumchief of the bureau :-P
+ I delivered you scumPalmar with my special Palmar-alignment-detection-tactic
That was my best game ever lol
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okayokay, enough, how about we start to force players to analyse each other:
Grack a little comment on the following players would really help:
coagulation, Hopeless1der, Storr, hiro protagonist, Risen, OOHCHILD, pandain, mig
just a few sentences and a ranking on the following skala:
++ = town
+ = slightly town
0
- = suspicious
-- = scum
okay? you got one hour.
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On November 17 2013 05:39 Onegu wrote:
Ok its 3 am and I am falling asleep trying to read filters. I am halfway through supersoft and he trolls alot, while I wouldnt 100% call him scum I would never vote him for mayor, alot of his ideads are juat untown, and the way he justifies himself acting like this really sets off warning bells for me.
Ok all my reads up until SS which I just gave you.
1. BC touched on this earlier null to slightly townie, would like him to answer my questions though.
2 Mattchew for someone people have talked about has nothing in his filter or has made any reads
3 Sharrant Scum
4 VE There is a Ton and I mean ton of spam. He gives a list of scum reads but no reason why those people are scum. This really makes me not want him to be mayor. Also if you read his filter its like he EXPECTS to be mayor. This sets off alarm bells for me also. I do not want him to be mayor.
5 Mig his notes made me feel a bit better about him, also his first post seemed townie to me. He needs to be more active and give better reads though.
6 Onegu Im town
7 koshi pregame goes on and on about wanting to be mayor, game starts he doesnt want to be mayor, then 30 hours into the day he wants mayor again, this just doesnt make much sense. Also we know he thinks rayn is scum but I would like him to flesh out his storr, and grack reads and find somemore scum. Null to town
8 coag nothing
9 mocsta very townie, I think he is one of the more townie people in the game. His cases and thought process is clear even though I disagree with a few.
10 Storrzerg I kept getting a lynchbait feel to him, yes he hasnt done anything, but just seems so many people just jumpped all over him for small reasons and that just snowballed and he hasnt really done anything about it.
11 Sknjbs this really looks like the same approach he had in hogwarts where he was town, he is slightly more active this game, but I think that is because there are more people he is famailar with from his other site, townie
12 hiro big lurks
13hopeless big lurks
14 grack he has zero serious scum reads, and he trolls a ton slightly scummy
15 Pandain I like his posts but disagree with almost all of them
16 Stutters big lurks
17 supersoft this is where I stopped and am not quite finished
Anyway goodnight
should have finished reading me, because I changed my playstyle several times during day1... but okay
ranking the guys on my scumskala would also help...
and right now youre voting yourself. I dont want to shatter your dreams, but you're not going to be elected.
So far, you could vote for BC. You have him as slightly town on your list...
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On November 17 2013 05:44 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 05:39 supersoft wrote:
okayokay, enough, how about we start to force players to analyse each other:
Grack a little comment on the following players would really help:
coagulation, Hopeless1der, Storr, hiro protagonist, Risen, OOHCHILD, pandain, mig
just a few sentences and a ranking on the following skala:
++ = town
+ = slightly town
0
- = suspicious
-- = scum
okay? you got one hour. coag - null Hiro- null Hopeless - leaning scum Risen- Craaaaaazy OOHCHILD- Do not ever lynch in any game ever. Pandain - Fuck knows. His point on Rayn is actually decent. Mig- Probably town Storrzerg - Forgot about this guy. He could be scum.
OOCHILD refuses to vote for me, because he doesnt want to vote for the underdog. What do you think of this.
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please people discuss lynchtargets.
comment on these:
On November 17 2013 05:39 supersoft wrote:
Grack, coagulation, Hopeless1der, Storr, hiro protagonist, Risen, OOHCHILD, pandain, mig
just a few sentences and a ranking on the following skala:
++ = town
+ = slightly town
0
- = suspicious
-- = scum
and everyone else you want to have eyes on.
Enough chattering. Go. reread!
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when will the mayor have to decide who he wants to lynch?[blue][/blue]
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On November 17 2013 07:04 Koshi wrote:
Nobody from that supersoft inactive list should be lynched except for maybe Storrzerg. BH, rayn look like the 2 best candidates. I still prefer rayn over everybody. SS are you serious when you say Mig and Pandain are scum? Pandain isnt imo.
I am sersious about mig, not so sure about pandain. He looks better now. I had to take his time to decide what to do, so i give him credit for that, i think for today, he's off the table...
I am currently rereading. If i really have to decide the lynch, i have to do a lot of work until then. I need all your help now, the time of the endless chat is over. We produced a lot of content and now we have to analyze it.
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So, I am back. I had to take a short 90minute nap, because i barely slept recently.
First of all, I think it doesn't matter if VE or I get mayor. We probably end up lynching the same target. I listen to VE and VE listens to me.
Votewise I want you to make sure, that VE and I end up in that office and not Yamato. Yamato played well so far and I believe he's town, but we need to find other ways to protect him. And I think he's not the first person the scumteam worries about.
I'll go back rereading now.
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On November 17 2013 09:20 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 05:04 Pandain wrote:
Yes Mig is suspicious. Note in our last game he was asking questions as well but he was also targeting people and posting opinions. This is just questions. So it's his playstyle without good intentions of that playstyle=scum replicating past playstyle.
I don't like how he's not making strong opinions like he did in the past game where he went after people and helped along with me and you lead town to victory.
Also he shared his notes I don't see much of a difference at all between Mig from White Flag and Mig in this game.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=432880&user=Mig
yes? I see a significant difference at least in basic activity. average post length, quantity etc.
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