On December 08 2013 12:46 Pandain wrote:
Alak, not that town lost on this, but please don't martyr as town and don't keep bringing focus on your martyr attempts

I was thinking no way I could salvage this
Unlikely that I will do again.

Hopeless1der

United States5836 Posts

December 08 2013 03:49 GMT

#7784

@pandain SS was mostly because pardon vet and a little because he actually is kind of good at this game. Granted, completely wrong when we killed him but BC is pretty good at the mason-game so that messed up alot of his reads.

I'd like to see if BC wants to gloat or not tbh.

Holyflare

United Kingdom30775 Posts

December 08 2013 03:49 GMT

#7785

The scum votes on bc were really weird though surprised nobody looked at that more than on thrawn. Hopless was also 10000x different than any town game he's played.

Grackaroni

United States9846 Posts

December 08 2013 03:50 GMT

#7786

SS had to go because he had the RB. Mig already explained he was super unlikely mafia from his BC logs so if he happens to RB our kill then we lose a mafia. Nobody else was as big of a threat.

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

December 08 2013 03:51 GMT

#7787

gg wp well hosted

Holyflare

United Kingdom30775 Posts

December 08 2013 03:51 GMT

#7788

Oh yeh he was rb too that's why :D

Bc called us terrible in obs qt btw, meh

geript

10024 Posts

December 08 2013 03:52 GMT

#7789

On December 08 2013 11:43 Coagulation wrote:
no suprise here. I said grack was scum and everyone told me to fuck off.

I even voted holyflare last vote and everyone acted like I was a complete retard.

Lol. Can't imagine why anyone would tell you of all people to fuck off.

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

December 08 2013 03:58 GMT

#7790

I played pretty bad this game, but not totally unreedemable and I'm improving.

Grackaroni

United States9846 Posts

December 08 2013 03:58 GMT

#7791

meh I won't dispute that I was pretty terrible. BC was too he didn't do any analysis. I don't think that is ever the way to go. If he made some good posts I would have moved off of him; I was a mafia read for like everybody in the game day1 and instead of throwing in the towel and creating chaos I tried to make some posts during the night and was able to move up to null on MIg's list before the Mocsta shot.

Thrawn too, bus wasn't a terrible play. In my mind I could not reasonably argue that Risen was scummier than Thrawn against Austin because he was much scummier to me than Risen and I don't make posts that I wouldn't reasonably believe as town. When I am mafia there are usually townies that I actually believe to be scummier than people on my team.

Mocsta push was pretty selfish of me. I had no idea he was vigilante. I just didn't do anything all day and wanted to have reasonable scum reads so I agreed with Artanis' case. Mocsta would have moved off my scum list later on. I'm surprised SS even considered listening to my opinion after I called him bad.

Hopeless1der

United States5836 Posts

December 08 2013 03:59 GMT

#7792

On December 08 2013 12:51 Holyflare wrote:
Oh yeh he was rb too that's why :D

Bc called us terrible in obs qt btw, meh

Yeah rb-pardoner-vet town SS.
#damnnatureyouscary

Grackaroni

United States9846 Posts

December 08 2013 04:04 GMT

#7793

Strangest kill was Koshi lol. I don't mind it in retrospect because he probably would have made town more active.

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

December 08 2013 04:20 GMT

#7794

For my own thoughts:
I need to learn that nonsensical/bringing suspicion to yourself is not really scummy, but making weak arguments can be(as long as you pressure them to see their response).

I need to learn not to follow Vets too much.

I need to learn how to interpret night kills better. I misread the SS death and failed to recognize that the way people got shot suggested town was wrong.

I need to learn not too heavily to rely on associations, really.

I did do some stuff right, but I think in the end my mason logs ended up hurting me far more then help me. I misread Hopeless and Grack heavily based on their mason chats with me which gave me town feels(see above. However, I did think Grack played phenomenaly in mason chats if not anywhere else. You must've been giggling when I said if you were scum any game you would play me like a book).

I could've recognized Mocsta and Hopeless on their weak arguments and actions based around that.

Don't know where Holy went wrong, probably something in hindsight. I only recognized him in the lategame, and happy that I stuck to him when no one else did.

Coag/Risen/Slam made things a lot harder because we had to know whether they were being town useless or scum useless. I misread them, or at least I never had good reads on them although I did have a town read on Slam(which he slowly weakened by being continually useless).

Finally, even though I was wrong throughout the game(at least in the end), I needed to put in that extra 5 hours to re-analyze everyone, and maybe then I would've recognized Grack/Hopeless; and not say I can just accept defeat after dozens of hours I had put in.

I think I definitely learned a lot from this game, sorry if I was wrong a lot and so seemed dumb. Very confident about the next game, however, when usually after a loss I don't feel that confident.

Thank you so much Marv and the co-hosts, I heavily enjoyed the game(except when I kept being wrong, but that's just being wrong I was mad at!)

Grackaroni

United States9846 Posts

December 08 2013 04:25 GMT

#7795

I was especially townie in my mason chat with Thrawn

http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/P6mk36MMgMSL3

I was also a scum mason so there was 4 of us. (in case nobody checked roles list)

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

December 08 2013 04:27 GMT

#7796

lol nobody even thought to ask who i masoned during d3

Risen

United States7927 Posts

December 08 2013 04:28 GMT

#7797

Meh, HF didn't look anything like WHC. Grack should have been policy lynched. Regardless, a really well played game from scum to live the dream in what was a game with really steep odds.