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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On November 26 2013 03:08 VayneAuthority wrote: you answered my own question though, you arent reading the game, that is clear from not even seeing that I'm confused as to how that post answered my concerns toward you? I did read that post. I didn't know that's what you meant when you said you had already answered. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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Mig
United States4714 Posts
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
my vote is on alakaslam at any rate. I don't constantly change my vote like a retard. If you can't read timestamps then dont play mafia thank you. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On November 26 2013 03:14 VayneAuthority wrote: do you speak english? probably not my vote is on alakaslam at any rate. I don't constantly change my vote like a retard. If you can't read timestamps then dont play mafia thank you. And yet at the time...? | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On November 26 2013 03:14 Mig wrote: Risen what happened to me being scummy for revealing my reads during the night? Someone convinced me that you were not scum. So I changed my mind. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
you are beyond dense. You deserve to die today regardless of alignment. read the fucking thread or don't play the game | ||
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Onegu
United States9695 Posts
On November 26 2013 02:33 Risen wrote: I'm just still shocked rayn was lynched tbh. Just woke up, was exhausted last night. I lynched rayn b/c I'm conf to myself and pandain/rayn are not. Catching up Oats looks bad as does Onegu (his justification post is very similar to the reasoning I used yesterday but has now been pointed out as flawed so is Onegu not reading the thread? Why am I greater than 70% chance to flip scum? You don't really say anywhere in your filter I don't think) Someone asked earlier I think, but yes I'm just VT. No fakeclaim shenans coming from here. Your scummyness goes up since then because of the shennanigins that went on near the end of the lynch. And because looking back at supersofts thoughts after he was NK. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On November 26 2013 03:29 Onegu wrote: Your scummyness goes up since then because of the shennanigins that went on near the end of the lynch. And because looking back at supersofts thoughts after he was NK. Doesn't really hold water since dead townies don't automatically become right. Combine this with the fact that Oats was his #1 scum read and... | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On November 26 2013 03:25 VayneAuthority wrote: you are beyond dense. You deserve to die today regardless of alignment. read the fucking thread or don't play the game Please note the feigned rage that isn't actually real here. He can't back up his play and so is now just raging out. I do it as scum, too. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On November 26 2013 03:32 Risen wrote: Please note the feigned rage that isn't actually real here. He can't back up his play and so is now just raging out. I do it as scum, too. see if you can read this time | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
HERE IS THE LONG VERSION Stuff I find in Risen's filter : Critical of hiro/thrawn early - + Show Spoiler + On November 15 2013 17:09 Risen wrote: "*I reserve the right to lynch someone other than OHHCHILD should a better target apper *I reserve the right to vote for a strong scumhunter for mayor who follows this plan." From one of hiro's posts. Why did he add this? Seems like something scum would be worried about but town wouldn't be. Tells me scumRisen plays by pointing out scummy stuff, either his own team or townies, but that scumRisen just scumhunts. So early on, at least somewhat truthful even if he's mafia. Feels scummy on HF, but is critical of Rayn's HF case. Likes some, but feels like rayn is wrong in a couple things he calls scummy. Looks like critical reading of a case on a scumread. scumRisen has option of +1ing, or just piling on. Votes BC mayor because of BC's grack/storrzerg post that WAS fluffy and meh. Boo. Cough cough, D4 Risen meet D1 Risen On November 16 2013 07:36 Risen wrote: Why not? I'm confused. I hate people who give solid town reads, but I give them from time to time and understand why people give them. Scum reads should always be given when you have them, or you can delay if you want to see that person post more, but why withhold information like that beyond a certain point? No one is perfect, maybe you're sitting on something people missed or glossed over and because you're not airing your scum reads people won't be as willing to believe your stuff later. Seems foolish/not pro-town at all to me. Is reading thread, following, BC asks storrzerg to vote for him. Risen tells BC unlikely, because BC had storrzerg scummy, might lynch him. Does scumRisen point this out? He's not calling BC scummy with it, just noting why someone wouldn't vote. If time, check pages 50 (BC posts his grack/storrzerg post) to 67 (risen posts that he liked BC's case initially, but not his followup). That's the PROPER response. Townie response. If other people have been saying this in the meantime Risen gets little/no townpoints for this. If risen vocalizes this sentiment before others do, moderate townpoints. Okay, so, nobody posted about BC's followup, but risen's answer was in direct response to me asking him whether he liked BC's followup. Risen's D1 BC read confusing. Within like a 1 hour span, he posts that he likes VE more than BC, but BC's posting is fine. Wants VE mayor/BC pardoner, no SS pardoner. But Risen wary of BC after BC wants VE/SS to get vests, not himself. Says it makes BC look scummy, like he committed too hard to candidacy and is now watching how he looks, which is scummy. N1 or something wants to kill yamato/OOHCHILD/HF, but can't remember reasons. But is fine lynching Pandain and calls rayn scummy for his pandain read, is fine lynching rayn as well. Has dropped all discussion of OOHCHILD/HF (yamato is ded). But then could lynch grack over rayn. N2 he's wants kills in Pandain/HF/Austin/Rayn. So he's somewhat consistent. Risen's stance on the grack/coag mason claim is that grack will be lynched, but it's unclear whether he's scum or not. I like that. Risen's posting turns into the "oh i'm leading, lynch me, woe is me, town is bad, etc." stuff Nov. 22 15:59 TL time. Lynch wasn't for 20ish hours. Town has not reached any consensus, votes are everywhere. Risen does NOT need to go nuts at this point. It puts the spotlight on him in a day where a lot of people are doing nothing, thread is fractured, votes are everywhere, and scum KNOW this. They can't be THAT worried about risen with this much time left, can they? IF risen actually thinks he's getting lynched, he IS crapping up the thread. Basically fine with lynching all non-risens, except he masks a bunch of his posts as scum lists, not "I will lynch whoever to live." Risen's response to understanding the supersoft RB oats thing is TO WANT TO LYNCH OATS, not SUPERSOFT. This is townie, because scum wants supersoft dead as the RBer (they know he's town and probably not lying). Risen UNVOTES supersoft when he learns about ss/oats. However, he says that if oats flips town, ss gets lynched next. So it's possibly this is all just setup, but mafia should be lynching ss NOW, ASAP. I am conflicted on this, because ss had lost a bunch of votes earlier, was down to just Hopeless and Risen. So if he was starting to seem like a poor lynch AND risen is mafia, mafia needs to find another candidate ASAP. I don't know why they find OATS here instead of someone with more votes though --> LM and rayn had 2 votes, and imo, LM would be easy to kind of swing thoughts onto. Him posting in the voting thread ... is either null or scummy. He makes a bunch of posts there, he should SEE it's the vote thread. Which means he's not paying attention at all OR he's actively posting in there to try and look stupid/unfocused, and argue that's townie because scum so worried about being lynched. He never uses this argument, so I'm okay with null on his posts in the vote thread. AT:KLJAEHNTLKAJEHTAEKT. RISEN UNVOTES PANDAIN AND LEAVES A VOTE ON OATS LIKE 2 HOURS BEFORE LYNCH. WHY DOES SCUMRISEN MOVE A VOTE OFF OF PANDAIN WHEN HE CAN MAKE UP REASONS TO KEEP IT THERE? HE PUTS IT ON HF WHICH IS SILLY AND A WASTE OF A VOTE WHEN MAFIA NEED TO BE USING THEIR VOTES. RISEN ACTIVELY UNVOTES THE DUDE THAT SCUMMY PEOPLE SEEM TO WANT TO HAVE LYNCHED YESTERDAY, AND HE DOES SO WHEN HE DOESN'T NEED TO. IF PANDAIN IS TOWN, AND HIS VOTES MAKE THAT SEEM LIKELY, THEN SCUMRISEN IS ACTIVELY CHOOSING NOT TO LYNCH A GUY THAT SCUM NEED TO KILL BECAUSE HE'S A FRIGGIN' VET IF HE'S TOWN AND THEY HAVE THREE VETS TO DEAL WITH IF PANDAIN IS TOWN AND THAT IS A LOT SO THEY WOULD WANT TO LYNCH HIM BUT RISEN DID NOT. LIKE RISEN CONTINUES TO SAY THAT THE SS/PANDAIN LOG SITUATION IS FUCKED, AND THAT SOMEONE IS MISCOMMUNICATING OR SOMEONE IS SCUM SCUM SCUM. HE CAN EASILY RIDE A PANDAIN LYNCH BASED OFF OF THEIR LOG. Some of his woe is me stuff is about him being pushed by scum. He's misreading his votes, making this out to be some kind of scum push when he's not ACTUALLY getting pushed while saying it, he's lost some votes. Don't like this. Risen is now concerned about the vote list of pandain, says he's voting pandain (but he's not). He's either just playing the dumb, confused guy card (which isn't valid as EITHER alignment), or...I don't know. Heck, as scum, he says "I think I'm voting pandain" --> "Wait, no i'm not" --> "Vote pandain". Pandain comes up, Risen "doesn't like Pandain's explanation" for his lying about the lots being altered, says it slipped his mind, and STILL DOES NOT VOTE PANDAIN. Except he DID read that stuff earlier, and he's been on pandain mainly because of the log stuff, and is still talking about Pandain, and risen of EITHER alignment doesn't do this nonsense afaik. Says he wants to flip ss/pandain/oats, votes OATS. Not PANDAIN. Pandain is lynchable with 30 minutes to lynch, oats is friggin' not. Again, scum can lynch pandain's face off is Risen is scum but they just don't? If Risen is scum with BC but not pandain, BC doesn't need to last minute vote swap, risen just has to move a vote from rayn onto pandain, or put his oats vote on pandain before 3 minutes to lynch, or ANYTHING. Scum probably more than happy to get rayn out of the game, but if pandain is town he's a vet and scum is running lowish on KP and they NEED to get rid of vets. So why don't they lynch him (if risen scum and pandain town. Risen and pandain BOTH unlikely to be scum, right? That's too many almost-scum-lynches for a day that had such a slow start and middle). Risen's play, at times this game, makes no sense at all to me. As either alignment his votes aren't where they shouldn't be, his reads are lost and found and he doesn't appear to know WHY he has some reads at all? Which would normally be uber-scummy, except that one of the BIGGEST examples of this, Pandain, is a lynch that scum REALLY WANT if pandain is town. Risen loses his pandain read, doesn't vote, doesn't lynch Pandain. So while that would be scummy, it's the worst possible choice for Risen to pretend-derp or real-derp on, there's NO RAISIN for him to do that as scum except to maybe WIFOM a lynch tomorrow EXCEPT HE'S PRETTY CLEARLY NOT DOING THAT AT ALL. I do not understand Risen's last 80-90 hours of play, as either alignment. He's just bouncing around and not in any kind of sensible way, he's trying to get killed to get himself out of the way when we NEED a scum kill to drop KP, and he's overall just making himself a bigger and bigger distraction and harming the thread. But I don't think he's today's lynch, because his conduct concerning pandain read/vote doesn't make sense to me as scum. He interacts early with hiro/thrawn, in a negative way, and he comes around to what I think is a very townie view on BC's alignment D1 (his grack/storrzerg post looked nice, but his followup was crap, therefore he's not very townie). That was with prodding, fine, but I think that's the right mindset for a townie looking at BC's D1 to have. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Thrawn replaces Hiro. I found Hiro super townie because he wanted to select a mayor, then vote the mayor's lynch choice into pardoner slot, so that there would be ZERO risk of pardoner in this game. I was not thinking through things at the time. Pardoner gets a vest this game. Hiro's plan was to lynch the pardoner, eliminating 1 of 2 vests that town could potentially have access to. Town GENERALLY kills mafia via lynch. Mafia KILL LOTS OF TOWNIES WITH SHOTS. Having a vest out of the game, even if you don't know pardoner's alignment, is more mafia-favored than town-favored. On November 15 2013 09:12 hiro protagonist wrote: My FOOLPROOF mayor candidacy Plan™: step 1: Vote for me for mayor ^__^ step 2: Vote OOHCHILD* for pardner. + Show Spoiler + Sorry VE, I lied about you being my running mate  step 3: I lynch OOHCHILD, taking out a polrizing player, and a pro-scum role day 1. + Show Spoiler + *I reserve the right to lynch someone other than OHHCHILD should a better target apper *I reserve the right to vote for a strong scumhunter for mayor who follows this plan. ##Vote: hiro protagonist On November 15 2013 09:35 hiro protagonist wrote: Ok, well, out side of my policy lynch, how bout we talk about the positives of a pardner lynch: *We kill off a pro scum role. *It gets people to vote for not just the mayor, but who should be lynched. this means there will be more scumhunting day 1 and less dick wagging. On November 15 2013 10:20 hiro protagonist wrote: Im out till tomorrow afternoon. Feel free to talk about how awesome a Day 1 scum pardner lynch would be. Feel free to try and say otherwise, so I know I can put you in the Red column. | ||
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Mig
United States4714 Posts
So much of your case relies on the fact that they lynched Rayn and not Pandain. Have you considered that maybe mafia just thinks they can mislynch pandain easier later on? Maybe they don't actually believe pandain's vet claim? There are multiple reasons they could have decided it was better to lynch Rayn. Rayn lynch also makes koshi look worse since he pushed so hard for him, etc. A lot of your analysis concluded that what Risen is doing makes no sense. Well no shit it makes no sense. Risen is a smart guy, look how convincing some of his posts can be. If his play makes no sense then is it more likely townie (why?) or mafia causing chaos? | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
austin what do you think are the chances that hiro didnt realize both mayor and pardoner get vests? I seem to remember someone else having the same issue but I cba to find it right now. | ||
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Mig
United States4714 Posts
On November 26 2013 02:55 Risen wrote: Pandain and HF have appeared scummy to me for a long while now but I can't remember why | ||
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Mig
United States4714 Posts
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On November 26 2013 04:19 Mig wrote: Hopeless can you explain why exactly pandain is mafia, besides the pandain lied about the logs thing? Which was already explained about 10 times in the thread. So you can say how you wont lynch a claimed vet? No, won't bother right now. I'll do this though: ##Unvote: Pandain ##Vote: Thrawn2112 I'm more inclined to believe austin's case for town-risen. | ||
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Mig
United States4714 Posts
But np murdering thrawn suits my interests as well. | ||
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