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On November 15 2013 09:35 hiro protagonist wrote:
Ok, well, out side of my policy lynch, how bout we talk about the positives of a pardner lynch:
*We kill off a pro scum role.
*It gets people to vote for not just the mayor, but who should be lynched. this means there will be more scumhunting day 1 and less dick wagging.
But they won't get to vote for both at the same time, which is meh. I'd rather take a classic approach of whoever is second best candidate for mayor gets pardoner.
Personally, I would actually use the role, so if you really think it is super anti town, do not give it to me.
Back to earlier, why claim like you did? You paint a target on your back as town, which means that we are forced to either assume you are fakeclaiming or give you an elected role / allocate protection to you when it was unlikely that you would be shot otherwise. Dubious decision at best, malicious at worst.
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On November 15 2013 09:44 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 09:43 Holyflare wrote:I would like to make my pitch to you for the mayoral election. As some of you may not know me here is the current list of games that I have played on TL. While short, it is full of content that would be helpful in ensuring a victory for us. + Show Spoiler [ My portfolio] +Newbie Mini Mafia XLV - This, my first newbie game on TL. I systematically determined the entire scum team on night 1 of the game and was subsequently killed for this. This game is paramount in showing my determination in hunting scum. I am very analytical and will deliver my reads in a coherent manner that serves town in the best way possible. Examples - although hefty - can be seen here: Cases
Newbie Mini Mafia XLVII Although this game was over from day 1 and a scum victory due to modkills, I was still the voice for the town and actively pushed my reads for lynches. Newbie Mini Mafia XLVI In this game I was responsible for eliminating the scum team and ensuring a town victory due to my analysis and reads. I was the driving force behind this win. World Heavyweight Championship Mafia In this game I was under a lot of pressure day 1 but consequently I was able to become pretty much confirmed town because of this. My read and lynch choice was scum and although this was a loss (due to my error no doubt) I felt that I contributed to the best of my ability at the time. My posting style heavinly reflects what alignment I am as Hogwarts mafia will show. Hogwarts Mafia (Themed) In this game I struggled to prove that I was town after day 1. I was confused after a shambolic display night 1 and degraded into mindless line posts, it was obvious I was mafia if you looked at my content. __________________________________________________________________________________________ Now that the formalities are over and done with I will speak to you about my strategy as mayor. Simply, this can be broken down into 3 stages.
Process of Mayoral lynches- Determine my top scum reads based on analysis. These choices will be my most preferred lynches.
- Failing to lynch my top scum reads, i.e if thread sentiment does not follow, I will only lynch into people that I consider scum by way of a convincing case from other people or actual knowledge based play (meta, good points etc.)
- Get rid of people that have contributed nothing, only if we are in a fit state as a town to be able to do this.
Now, while I may not be the first choice for most of you at this current point in time, I suggest that we hold off on voting for an actual mayor until later in the day. Obviously, blindly voting people into a mayoral role this early is extremely questionable as nobody has displayed any content at all. Also, later in the day I would have displayed the traits that I am best known for displaying as town and my contributions will most definitely be worth more then. If I have then gained your favour as an electoral candidate at that point then I thank you and I shall lead us onto (hopefully) another town victory. Thank you for your consideration, - HolyflareMayoral candidate, TL Mafia LXIII 2013 Also probably town. Anyone else?
This is a read I highly disagree with.
Last two townreads out of you have been a bit dodgy ;]
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On November 15 2013 09:53 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 09:48 yamato77 wrote:On November 15 2013 09:44 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 15 2013 09:43 Holyflare wrote:I would like to make my pitch to you for the mayoral election. As some of you may not know me here is the current list of games that I have played on TL. While short, it is full of content that would be helpful in ensuring a victory for us. + Show Spoiler [ My portfolio] +Newbie Mini Mafia XLV - This, my first newbie game on TL. I systematically determined the entire scum team on night 1 of the game and was subsequently killed for this. This game is paramount in showing my determination in hunting scum. I am very analytical and will deliver my reads in a coherent manner that serves town in the best way possible. Examples - although hefty - can be seen here: Cases
Newbie Mini Mafia XLVII Although this game was over from day 1 and a scum victory due to modkills, I was still the voice for the town and actively pushed my reads for lynches. Newbie Mini Mafia XLVI In this game I was responsible for eliminating the scum team and ensuring a town victory due to my analysis and reads. I was the driving force behind this win. World Heavyweight Championship Mafia In this game I was under a lot of pressure day 1 but consequently I was able to become pretty much confirmed town because of this. My read and lynch choice was scum and although this was a loss (due to my error no doubt) I felt that I contributed to the best of my ability at the time. My posting style heavinly reflects what alignment I am as Hogwarts mafia will show. Hogwarts Mafia (Themed) In this game I struggled to prove that I was town after day 1. I was confused after a shambolic display night 1 and degraded into mindless line posts, it was obvious I was mafia if you looked at my content. __________________________________________________________________________________________ Now that the formalities are over and done with I will speak to you about my strategy as mayor. Simply, this can be broken down into 3 stages.
Process of Mayoral lynches- Determine my top scum reads based on analysis. These choices will be my most preferred lynches.
- Failing to lynch my top scum reads, i.e if thread sentiment does not follow, I will only lynch into people that I consider scum by way of a convincing case from other people or actual knowledge based play (meta, good points etc.)
- Get rid of people that have contributed nothing, only if we are in a fit state as a town to be able to do this.
Now, while I may not be the first choice for most of you at this current point in time, I suggest that we hold off on voting for an actual mayor until later in the day. Obviously, blindly voting people into a mayoral role this early is extremely questionable as nobody has displayed any content at all. Also, later in the day I would have displayed the traits that I am best known for displaying as town and my contributions will most definitely be worth more then. If I have then gained your favour as an electoral candidate at that point then I thank you and I shall lead us onto (hopefully) another town victory. Thank you for your consideration, - HolyflareMayoral candidate, TL Mafia LXIII 2013 Also probably town. Anyone else? This is a read I highly disagree with. Last two townreads out of you have been a bit dodgy ;] I think he is instead more dodgy honestly. I like how out there he is putting himself early for a VE, I don't think short bad posts like that are really scum indicative; indeed more town indicative. If you make a bad post like "this guy is town" but then don't justify yourself when its not immediately obvious, you put yourself under suspicion when you wouldn't want that as scum. As town you might not care. I don't think he really cares that much to justify himself. I get more a town feel.
I was joking, I actually think VE is town. The smiley was a sarcastic one.
On another note, did hiro ever answer me about why he softclaimed? If not, he's mafia.
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On November 15 2013 09:16 hiro protagonist wrote:
Thats cool VE. but this was my plan before I got a role. I think its a good one ^__^
Obviously a claim.
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On November 15 2013 12:35 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 12:29 yamato77 wrote:On November 15 2013 09:53 Pandain wrote:On November 15 2013 09:48 yamato77 wrote:On November 15 2013 09:44 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 15 2013 09:43 Holyflare wrote:I would like to make my pitch to you for the mayoral election. As some of you may not know me here is the current list of games that I have played on TL. While short, it is full of content that would be helpful in ensuring a victory for us. + Show Spoiler [ My portfolio] +Newbie Mini Mafia XLV - This, my first newbie game on TL. I systematically determined the entire scum team on night 1 of the game and was subsequently killed for this. This game is paramount in showing my determination in hunting scum. I am very analytical and will deliver my reads in a coherent manner that serves town in the best way possible. Examples - although hefty - can be seen here: Cases
Newbie Mini Mafia XLVII Although this game was over from day 1 and a scum victory due to modkills, I was still the voice for the town and actively pushed my reads for lynches. Newbie Mini Mafia XLVI In this game I was responsible for eliminating the scum team and ensuring a town victory due to my analysis and reads. I was the driving force behind this win. World Heavyweight Championship Mafia In this game I was under a lot of pressure day 1 but consequently I was able to become pretty much confirmed town because of this. My read and lynch choice was scum and although this was a loss (due to my error no doubt) I felt that I contributed to the best of my ability at the time. My posting style heavinly reflects what alignment I am as Hogwarts mafia will show. Hogwarts Mafia (Themed) In this game I struggled to prove that I was town after day 1. I was confused after a shambolic display night 1 and degraded into mindless line posts, it was obvious I was mafia if you looked at my content. __________________________________________________________________________________________ Now that the formalities are over and done with I will speak to you about my strategy as mayor. Simply, this can be broken down into 3 stages.
Process of Mayoral lynches- Determine my top scum reads based on analysis. These choices will be my most preferred lynches.
- Failing to lynch my top scum reads, i.e if thread sentiment does not follow, I will only lynch into people that I consider scum by way of a convincing case from other people or actual knowledge based play (meta, good points etc.)
- Get rid of people that have contributed nothing, only if we are in a fit state as a town to be able to do this.
Now, while I may not be the first choice for most of you at this current point in time, I suggest that we hold off on voting for an actual mayor until later in the day. Obviously, blindly voting people into a mayoral role this early is extremely questionable as nobody has displayed any content at all. Also, later in the day I would have displayed the traits that I am best known for displaying as town and my contributions will most definitely be worth more then. If I have then gained your favour as an electoral candidate at that point then I thank you and I shall lead us onto (hopefully) another town victory. Thank you for your consideration, - HolyflareMayoral candidate, TL Mafia LXIII 2013 Also probably town. Anyone else? This is a read I highly disagree with. Last two townreads out of you have been a bit dodgy ;] I think he is instead more dodgy honestly. I like how out there he is putting himself early for a VE, I don't think short bad posts like that are really scum indicative; indeed more town indicative. If you make a bad post like "this guy is town" but then don't justify yourself when its not immediately obvious, you put yourself under suspicion when you wouldn't want that as scum. As town you might not care. I don't think he really cares that much to justify himself. I get more a town feel. I was joking, I actually think VE is town. The smiley was a sarcastic one. On another note, did hiro ever answer me about why he softclaimed? If not, he's mafia. What claim? If you mean the cop buddies post, that was pregame, and referring to him and koshi being cops in whatevermabob mafia.
I'm actually pretty disturbed that you didn't notice it, honestly.
But I guess that goes for most of the thread, because you have all ignored it.
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On November 15 2013 12:38 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 12:37 yamato77 wrote:On November 15 2013 09:16 hiro protagonist wrote:
Thats cool VE. but this was my plan before I got a role. I think its a good one ^__^ Obviously a claim. I think he meant before he got his role PM. "I think it's a good one" is, I think, referring to his plan, not the role.
He said "a role" not "my role". It's a claim.
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On November 15 2013 12:40 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 12:37 yamato77 wrote:On November 15 2013 09:16 hiro protagonist wrote:
Thats cool VE. but this was my plan before I got a role. I think its a good one ^__^ Obviously a claim. Ah. I don't read it that way, but I see where you at. I will say that, assuming a non-infinite amount of rock-lifting power, Hiro is not a rock I'm interested in looking under today.
Are you going to run for mayor? If not, who would you elect?
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Even if I misinterpreted hiro's singular post, the rest of his filter is still drivel and I think he fits nicely in the category of useless players posting nonsense when there's reads to discuss.
Pandain looks better than he did early game, but grack is still being a useless fuck and is in the same category as hiro.
Super is more belligerent than I've ever seen him and also overall not seemingly invested too much into the actual game. His start to the game was rocky at best and he came under fire for it rightly so. His response was to OMGUS and insult the people calling him out, and then never to commit fully to any reads.
Mig's one post was pro town but it was essentially meaningless. Of the "conversation" Moc talked about, this is the most interesting aspect because Mig never followed up on the question or offered his own thoughts. Perhaps he is a generally lurky player, but I expect better if he,s supposedly a vet.
Oats and VE are my two solid town reads. Everyone else either hasn't posted at all or isn't posting anything I find alignment indicative.
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Obviously I disagree fundamentally; posting about the setup, even if it seems pro-town, is in no way shape or form good enough to be considered the towniest guy in the thread.
Austin is now on my sketchy list for that read.
gtg
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Austin, the read is sketchy because not only is it based off of bad logic (collectively, I think it's obvious this is the case), but that it's the one read you've mentioned so far. It seems so much like you're reaching for a reason to justify a read you never should have given in the first place.
Anyway, that's really my last post for a good chunk of time. At least 8 hours. So bye.
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lonemeow hasn't posted in the thread yet masoned me
interesting thought process
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On November 15 2013 14:53 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 14:47 Holyflare wrote:On November 15 2013 14:42 Grackaroni wrote:On November 15 2013 14:37 Holyflare wrote:On November 15 2013 14:35 Alakaslam wrote:he has taken up the position as the leader of RNG lynches ever since the downfall of Palmar. Now quit changing the subject you silly Alaskan lamb; where can we find this scum remover and can you be more flexible on price? You can get it from deep CHUPAZI, I am not sure what they would charge I troll no further albeit tempting Not actually sure if I can deliver on that promise Your take on mattchew please? Also I want to hear more opinions on rayn, don't want to let him pass unchecked. The games you quoted are both over a year old; Play styles can change a lot over time. His recent play in Hogwarts also did not match either of the town games you listed as meta, yet he was town in that game. I disagree with you: here is his filter for hogwarts: click me!while yes, there are singular lines, there is also hefty content at parts just like the town games I linked, albeit this game is still early so it's justifiable for the near future, I want to hear more from him because right now I think it falls more in line with his scum game (even if it is old) Either way he is not around to defend himself and so I'll move elsewhere for now. Mattchew did nothing at the start of that game. And I'm right that you should be looking at current games. Of course Mattchew is going to start off games more try hard in older games than in recent games when he has played more games . I think that's true for most players.
This is true of Mattchew and precisely why I have no read on him, it's possible he could do this as mafia, but he's definitely acted this way as town before (almost to a tee), so there's little point in calling him mafia for it. Null at worst.
On November 15 2013 15:11 VayneAuthority wrote:
or maybe mocsta is an assassin, random long convoluted case on storrzerg that is about nothing if you read it heh
Not a bad theory tbh, but I also have a 3P lean on Vayne both for this post and his lackadaisical attitude. He's probably not mafia, regardless.
On November 15 2013 17:23 Risen wrote:
Sleep. How I feel: Kill yamato, VE, and rayn. I feel like one of yamato/VE is scum and rayn is scum.
Worst post in thread. 
On November 15 2013 19:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Risen, why do you read Yamato VE as scum? Both are nearly universal town reads so far and I don't find them particularly scummy. It worries me that you haven't tried pursuing them when thread sentiment is in their favour.
I think Rayn is scum. His nitpicking on HolyFlare's open post feels awful to me. HF's post was clearly not alignment indicative. Mayoral campaigns was something everyone had in the back of their minds when they signed up for this game. Obviously you'll already have thoughts of how to write it down. Furthermore there's lots of things stating the obvious. Don't like the ignoring of Risen either. Says he doesn't like people needlessly antagonizing others then proceeds to do it himself.
I've got an opinion on the Mocsta vs Storrzerg thing but I'd rather give him a chance to respond first and see where it goes. Also hate Mig's opening post. More stating the obvious and no followup so far.
I'll also support any supersoft lynch on the base of him being a dick.
I don't exactly think rayn is mafia, but I can get behind everything else said in this post, and also subsequent posts. Super's play is strictly worse than attempting to be as neutral as possible.
On November 15 2013 20:42 supersoft wrote:
pfff always the same with you guys... this is a game. Play your role. Play to win. This isn't a forum to friendly chat with each other. this is mafia, you want to create an uncomfortable situation for scum. Friendly chatting with each other is a situation which is optimal for scum.
Scum has to be afraid to post, because everything will be looked very closely.
If you think it's okay to post things that are completely against your wincondition, you're wrong here and you're playing bad.
An environment in which scum are afraid to post is one where heavy analysis is doen and townies start agreeing. Your attitude, on the other hand, is dead easy to fake as scum and also detrimental to the thread overall. It's really not worth reading your posts if you continue this path, we pretty much have no choice but to either ignore you or lynch you.
On November 15 2013 20:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 20:42 supersoft wrote:
pfff always the same with you guys... this is a game. Play your role. Play to win. This isn't a forum to friendly chat with each other. this is mafia, you want to create an uncomfortable situation for scum. Friendly chatting with each other is a situation which is optimal for scum.
Scum has to be afraid to post, because everything will be looked very closely.
If you think it's okay to post things that are completely against your wincondition, you're wrong here and you're playing bad. You realize that there's a bit of a gap between being overly friendly and antagonizing every single person you see at any given opportunity right? Posts like Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 09:05 supersoft wrote:
Btw.: Everyone who votes anyone else than mig, BC or myself is playing antitown.
I don't even consider giving my vote anyone else. Are never going to help town because it's going to get a bunch of townies mad. People that are mad tend to not enjoy playing the game. People that don't enjoy the game either spam the thread to show their anger, making it unreadable, or cut down on their posting drastically. This isn't a game of extremes, and this isn't the first time people have told you this as you're well aware of given you started with "always the same with you guys". Perhaps some inner reflection is in order? People play games because they enjoy them. That's the entire point of the game. It's in fact possible to analyze people without being a dick. You just haven't tried yet. If you're willing to do that, then I'm happy to give my full collaboration. Unless you're scum of course, in which case you shall die a horrible fiery death.
Also this.
Note: I find BC's lack of committal to any read disturbing. He typed a lot of words, but did just about nothing. He took some strong stances, but on things that didn't really mean much. BC is on my watch list.
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On November 15 2013 21:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 21:36 yamato77 wrote:
lonemeow hasn't posted in the thread yet masoned me
interesting thought process I kinda think that makes him town.
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"interesting thought process"
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On November 15 2013 21:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Actually Risen seems to have really paranoid reads as town day 1.
doesn't help anything, really
but you're right
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I correctly read his alignment in the last big normal when a lot of people were calling him mafia
I don't remember actually interacting with him, but maybe it impressed him or something?
I'm also playing pretty townie so it's not crazy to mason me.
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Perhaps he thought he had to mason early to use his power at all, as Marv clarified was not the case, and then just sent in first guy he got a townread on. He DID say he was going to be busy this weekend.
It's also kind of odd for a mafia player to do something like that which is so overtly attention-grabbing.
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On November 15 2013 21:56 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 21:53 yamato77 wrote:
I correctly read his alignment in the last big normal when a lot of people were calling him mafia
I don't remember actually interacting with him, but maybe it impressed him or something?
I'm also playing pretty townie so it's not crazy to mason me.
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Perhaps he thought he had to mason early to use his power at all, as Marv clarified was not the case, and then just sent in first guy he got a townread on. He DID say he was going to be busy this weekend.
It's also kind of odd for a mafia player to do something like that which is so overtly attention-grabbing. hmm so you defended him? can you link me the game? I just want to understand his thoughtprocess. I agree, that you established your townieness well, so i don't disagree with his masoning choice. it makes perfect sense for a townmason. But i wanna doublecheck
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=LoneMeow
Even better, he was actually the doctor that saved me N1 while not even talking about me at all.
I guess it's not that inconsistent at all, really. At least we can reasonably assume he's not automatically mafia for this.
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On November 15 2013 22:03 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 22:00 supersoft wrote:On November 15 2013 21:58 yamato77 wrote:On November 15 2013 21:56 supersoft wrote:On November 15 2013 21:53 yamato77 wrote:
I correctly read his alignment in the last big normal when a lot of people were calling him mafia
I don't remember actually interacting with him, but maybe it impressed him or something?
I'm also playing pretty townie so it's not crazy to mason me.
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Perhaps he thought he had to mason early to use his power at all, as Marv clarified was not the case, and then just sent in first guy he got a townread on. He DID say he was going to be busy this weekend.
It's also kind of odd for a mafia player to do something like that which is so overtly attention-grabbing. hmm so you defended him? can you link me the game? I just want to understand his thoughtprocess. I agree, that you established your townieness well, so i don't disagree with his masoning choice. it makes perfect sense for a townmason. But i wanna doublecheck http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=LoneMeowEven better, he was actually the doctor that saved me N1 while not even talking about me at all. I guess it's not that inconsistent at all, really. At least we can reasonably assume he's not automatically mafia for this. Okay, that's perfect. I like it. it's a reasonable story. Thanks You know, he obviously respects you as a strong townplayer, since he saved you the game before. Makes no sense from a scummasonperspective to mason a strong townplayer. I think the most reasonable use for scummasonpowers is to not use them at all. At least if you're lonemoew and not availiable for d1.
Yeah I'm actually pretty sure he's town.
I feel bad about outing him to the thread, but really, what are mafia going to do? lol
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rayn, let's talk.
What's your read on grack?
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We are not arguing about LM. Find better things to talk about.
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Like BC perhaps
Everyone is ignoring the fact he hasn't said shit all in actuality
Wanna see him hang tbh
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