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LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
November 19 2013 13:43 GMT
#3605
On November 19 2013 22:20 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 22:18 Koshi wrote:
How is that not a genious plan?


Not only has BH been afk for almost the entirety of day 1 but the only read he has is grack. He admits he has no time and has a new job and so cannot invest any good time into getting a read. His reads are therefore worthless. Why on earth did he even sign up? God only knows.


Do you remember Hogwarts obs QT? I am not going to believe any sob stories about being busy and such from BH after that.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
November 20 2013 12:59 GMT
#4159
On November 20 2013 08:21 Pandain wrote:
Okay I just finished analyzing everyone but Slam, I'll do that later.

Right now i have scum reads most heavily on Lonemeow, heavy reads on Holy and Oats, and then am really suspicious of Coag/Mattchew/Risen.


Could you explain your read on me?
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
November 20 2013 13:04 GMT
#4160
On November 20 2013 21:58 Onegu wrote:
BTW I think I can read rayn now, Im really confident he is town. Slam seems town also they should stop fighting.


Why is Alakaslam town? He's done pretty much nothing after a reasonably coherent start and the latter part of his filter is largely just clutter.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
November 20 2013 14:16 GMT
#4170
On November 20 2013 22:16 OOHCHILD wrote:
Lonemeow it would be great to get some scumreads from you along with at least short reasons why.


Pandain - Looked terrible, then a bit better, now I'm his top scum read without any explanation or mention of me earlier, puts him back on the list.

Mig - The only thing that he has going for him is his spreadsheet, and there's only so far I'm prepared to let that carry him. Filter full of nothing useful.

austinmcc - I was already slightly suspicious and the mason chat log gave me the impression he wasn't really trying to solve the game very hard at all.


I wouldn't be against lynching Mattchew if we want to lynch a lurker, he's been just completely useless.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
November 20 2013 14:18 GMT
#4171
On November 20 2013 22:29 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 22:04 LoneMeow wrote:
On November 20 2013 21:58 Onegu wrote:
BTW I think I can read rayn now, Im really confident he is town. Slam seems town also they should stop fighting.


Why is Alakaslam town? He's done pretty much nothing after a reasonably coherent start and the latter part of his filter is largely just clutter.



Exactly have you seen slams scum game? Hes try to hard scum, plus his cohearant start is really townie imo.


The scum Alakaslam I saw wasn't really tryhard and his behaviour near the lynch reminds me of that game very much. The coherent start gives him some "town points" though so he's still null for me. Would love to get some reads out of him...
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
November 22 2013 13:59 GMT
#5182
On November 20 2013 08:21 Pandain wrote:
Okay I just finished analyzing everyone but Slam, I'll do that later.

Right now i have scum reads most heavily on Lonemeow, heavy reads on Holy and Oats, and then am really suspicious of Coag/Mattchew/Risen.


I already asked you to explain, but now it's even more relevant. Explain why you thought I was scum and why you apparently don't seem to think so anymore.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
November 22 2013 14:11 GMT
#5184
On November 22 2013 23:06 Holyflare wrote:
Urgh, koshi, rayn has so much filter that contradictions also make sense in that sense but I'll look into him :/

LM, what is your updated view on how things have gone. Has anything drastically changed and have you caught up?


I have only skimmed the thread since D3 started, working on reading through it now but it'll take a while since I'm working at the same time.

If you have spare time, could you give me a summary of the claim shenigans that happened?
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
November 22 2013 20:12 GMT
#5344
Pandain, will you finally stop ignoring me and explain what happened with your scum read on me? Where did it come from, and where did it disappear to?
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
November 22 2013 21:36 GMT
#5428
I want to have Pandain for lunch. Not sure of the other one yet.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
November 23 2013 22:17 GMT
#5886
On November 24 2013 01:50 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 01:47 Holyflare wrote:
I think scum can mason whoever the hell they want to be truthful. When exactly did he mason you? Was it the start of the day? Or did he wait to see what was going on before he did it and make an educated attempt at finding out your alignment?


Also in regards to Onegu, he says I'm scum for calling saying LM's mason day 1 could be scum LM and then posts this:

On November 23 2013 06:21 Onegu wrote:
4:18 am

Goodnight.... Im not goinf to lynch LM rayn, I still cant believe a scum LM would mason a town yamato. He would ask his scum qt what he should do and they wouldnt let him do that, and yes he would ask, I have been on the same scum team with him twice and he always asks.

Pandain maybe I could but I dont have the energy to look right now.


and calls him town for it.... LOL.. I don't even know what to think of it at all because it actually looks like a joke
I posted the log from the first bit of D3/N3 above. He seemed to mason me relatively early, because I got the invite at like 4 or 5 AM EST. Day started at...8 PM the night before? So it seemed like relatively early in the day he masoned.

I hadn't really done anything in that day phase yet.


Slight correction, I masoned you on the second real life day of D3, about 33h after D3 started.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
November 23 2013 22:32 GMT
#5890
On November 24 2013 01:53 Mig wrote:
LM can you post your logs with Yam.


As requested:

+ Show Spoiler [LoneMeow & yamato77 mason log] +

Yamato77
Why did you mason me?

Yamato77
I apologize, now that I remember LXII, I think you're actually town for this.

Either way, scum probably won't kill you, and they can't roleblock you, so it's not like being outed is a huge deal. I thought about this before I posted in the thread.

If you need any help catching up or whatever, let me know.

LoneMeow
I masoned you because I wanted to ascertain your alignment. Based on pregame and playing with you before I thought knowing which side you are on would be very useful. I sent the request before reading the thread because the wording was a bit unclear ("beginning of cycle" and such, so I figured I'd have to send the request before reading to fullfil the "spirit of the rules" if not the word). Still catching up on the thread, very busy day at work.

LoneMeow
I'd like to hear your thoughts of raynpelikoneet and especially his defense of me. I see a flaw in his logic, but is that obvious to you too?

Yamato77
honestly, flawed logic doesn't mean anything

arguing over people beign right or wrong about how they reason is the biggest noob trap ever

LoneMeow
If you can't become the mayor, who would you prefer to get the job? Who would you prefer to be the pardoner? Is that affected by who gets the mayor job?

Yamato77
VE will be mayor AFAIK and he should be. I should be pardoner but BC is an alright choice. I don't trust ss fully but he had some town tells early on when I mentioned that you masoned me in the thread. I put pressure on him because I want to see what he does.

I'll be rereading today.

LoneMeow
Do you believe Pandain's mason claim? And what does that imply of his alignment, if anything?

Yamato77Last mayor game had a bunch of masons. He could be a mason, but it doesn't make him town.

I think he's townish though.

Yamato77
Why do people still think I think BC is mafia? I clearly said otherwise

right now I'm working with BH/austin as mafia

Yamato77
If you come back before the deadline, I'd really like it if you placed your vote on me over VE. I don't think VE is mafia, but I think I would use the lynch better than he would.

LoneMeow
I will be back before deadline. I could agree about BH being scum, his uselessness is very similar to Hogwarts (I'm not really aware of his town meta though). Not fully caught up to the thread right now, but I'm reconsidering my vote and will prioritise voting someone I think is most likely town - a mislynch I can live with but electing scum as mayor would be very bad.

Yamato77
I think it's really obvious that I'm town.

Yamato77
Is this mason over or did you not continue to post here at all?

LoneMeow
I believe we're masoned until end of cycle, so a few more hours still. I was afk for most of the last 24 hours or so, and in fact missed the deadline too.

LoneMeow
Now that we're both around, there's a few things I'd like to hear your opinion on:

1) Do you think BH's uselessness is alignment indicative? Would you still want to lynch him?
2) Your read on Onegu?
3) Ditto on Pandain?

Yamato77
BH is mafia, Onegu I am unsure of, I think Pandain is townish but I struggle to reconcile why he voted for SS who called him mafia.

LoneMeow
I would support a BH lynch, he's been utterly useless and very much reminds me of the way he played in Hogwarts.

I had Pandain down as scum before deadline, but he's looking better to me now so I'd say null for now.

Koshi compared my lurking to my scum play in Hogwarts - do you think he's intentionally cherry picking or did he honestly forget I played very much like that as town in LXI?

Yamato77
Koshi is quite possibly mafia. I don't like a single post he's made about his reads.

marvellosity
CLOSED

LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
November 24 2013 00:48 GMT
#5956
On November 24 2013 09:44 austinmcc wrote:
I still end up with 3 mafia inside Pandain/Cheese/HF/Risen/Vayne/Slam, with an outside chance of Coag, and an also somewhat outside chance of Onegu, but they're a ways down my list.


I find this list quite agreeable.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
November 25 2013 21:02 GMT
#6401
Honestly not very sure about this, but austinmcc's case is pretty convincing.

##Vote: thrawn2112
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
November 25 2013 21:08 GMT
#6409
On November 26 2013 06:04 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 06:02 LoneMeow wrote:
Honestly not very sure about this, but austinmcc's case is pretty convincing.

##Vote: thrawn2112
What part of my posts MOST convince you he's mafia?

Are there parts that you disagree with? Think i've got blinders on and am painting something townie/null as uber-scummy?


The problem I have is that you're kind of suspicious after D3 votes but the case seems pretty solid. Hold on while I re-re-read thrawn2112's filter.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
November 25 2013 21:10 GMT
#6410
austinmcc, in the meanwhile: how possible would you say that both thrawn2112 and Oatsmaster are scum?
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
November 25 2013 21:26 GMT
#6418
austinmcc, so who would be likely scum if thrawn2112 flips red?
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
November 25 2013 22:09 GMT
#6435
On November 26 2013 06:54 Holyflare wrote:
Also have some interesting points to raise when I've settled down re:thrawn votes, also onegu's points on me are factual lies, more on that too


Please, if you have something about Onegu post it soon, I have to go to bed and it's important I think.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
November 25 2013 22:32 GMT
#6444
On November 26 2013 07:16 Hopeless1der wrote:
found thrawn/rayn logs btw
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20261055


Interesting. Pretty much every time raynpelikoneet talks about how BC is scum, thrawn jumps to BH or some other topic. I'd say he's avoiding the subject.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
November 28 2013 15:39 GMT
#6972
Went and colored all known flips into final vote counts for your (well, originally my) pleasure.


Day 1:

yamato77 (7): yamato77, OOHCHILD, Grackaroni, Pandain, Spaghetticus, Mattchew, Skanjab1s, Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet, VayneAuthority, Grackaroni
VisceraEyes (9): VisceraEyes, Hopeless1der, Koshi, Coagulation, Alakaslam, Risen, StorrZerg, LoneMeow, Artanis[Xp], OOHCHILD, Koshi, Koshi, austinmcc
OOHCHILD (0): Grackaroni, Pandain
hiro protagonist (1): hiro protagonist
Mocsta (1): OOHCHILD, Mocsta
supersoft (9): supersoft, BloodyC0bbler, OOHCHILD, Stutters695, Pandain, VisceraEyes, Sharrant, Holyflare, supersoft, Koshi, austinmcc, Alakaslam, Grackaroni
raynpelikoneet (0): raynpelikoneet
Bloodyc0bbler (2): Mr. Cheesecake, Alakaslam, supersoft, Mig
Blazinghand (1): Blazinghand, VayneAuthority, Grackaroni
Koshi (0): Koshi, Skanjab1s
Onegu (1): Onegu
Alakaslam (0): Alakaslam
austinmcc (0): austinmcc



Day 2:

Oatsmaster (0): supersoft, Pandain, Thrawn2112, VisceraEyes, Holyflare, supersoft
Holyflare (0): raynpelikoneet
Blazinghand (17): Pandain, Grackaroni, Oatsmaster, LoneMeow, raynpelikoneet, Artanis[Xp], Koshi, Onegu, Hopeless1der, BloodyC0bbler, VayneAuthority, Coagulation, VisceraEyes, Pandain, Mr Cheesecake, OOHCHILD, supersoft, Mig, Austin
Hopeless1der (0): thrawn2112
Grackaroni (1): Blazinghand, thrawn2112, thrawn2112
raynpelikoneet (0): Alakaslam, supersoft
Pandain (3): Risen, thrawn2112, Hopeless1der, thrawn2112
BloodyC0bbler (4): Holyflare, Artanis[Xp], Alakaslam, Artanis[Xp], Mattchew
Mattchew (0): Artanis[Xp]



Day 3:

Pandain (6): Risen, Hopeless1der, raynpelikoneet, Coagulation, Risen, Pandain, thrawn2112, LoneMeow, BloodyC0bbler
Grackaroni (2): Risen, BloodyC0bbler, Koshi, Coagulation
BloodyC0bbler (10): VayneAuthority, raynpelikoneet, Mr. Cheesecake, austinmcc, Mig, Grackaroni, Koshi, Hopeless1der, Koshi, Mr. Cheesecake, Pandain, Holyflare, LoneMeow, thrawn2112, Hopeless1der
LoneMeow (2): VayneAuthority, raynpelikoneet, Mr. Cheesecake
supersoft (0): Risen, Koshi, Koshi, Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet, Hopeless1der, Risen
Mig (1): BloodyC0bbler, Oatsmaster
Coagulation (0): Grackaroni, Oatsmaster
VayneAuthority (0): Koshi, Mr. Cheesecake, Koshi, Alakaslam
raynpelikoneet (6): Alakaslam, Koshi, Mr Cheesecake, Pandain, Koshi, Pandain, Alakaslam, Risen, austinmcc
Oatsmaster (2): Alakaslam, supersoft, Risen
Risen (5): Oatsmaster, Mig, supersoft, Alakaslam, Pandain, Holyflare, Onegu, supersoft, Grackaroni, VayneAuthority, BloodyC0bbler
Alakaslam (0): VayneAuthority, Risen, raynpelikoneet
Onegu (1): Oatsmaster
Koshi (0): Onegu
Holyflare (1): Onegu, Risen
austinmcc (1): Onegu
thrawn2112 (0): austinmcc
Not voting (1 vote):: Alakaslam (1),



Day 4:

Risen (5): Mr. Cheesecake, VayneAuthority, Pandain, Risen, Koshi, Mig, Holyflare, Grackaroni, Alakaslam, Onegu
thrawn2112 (7): austinmcc, Holyflare, Hopeless1der, Coagulation, Grackaroni, Mr. Cheesecake, LoneMeow, Holyflare, Alakaslam
Pandain (0): Hopeless1der
VayneAuthority (2): thrawn2112, Alakaslam, Alakaslam
Alakaslam (1): VayneAuthority
not voting (1): Oatsmaster
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
November 28 2013 15:39 GMT
#6973
Town:
- austinmcc (based on BloodyC0bbler & thrawn2112 lynches)
- Mig (see above)
- LoneMeow (obviously I know my alignment)

Leaning town:
- Grackaroni
- Coagulation (looks better for thrawn2112 lynch, pushes Oatsmaster who is my prime suspect)

Null:
- Pandain
- Hopeless1der
- Mr. Cheesecake
- Holyflare

Scummy:
- Oatsmaster (terrible voting pattern and see my points in my mason log with Holyflare)
- Onegu (avoiding the main lynch targets much, eh?)
- Alakaslam (not trying to solve the game, and now he's just spamming the thread, also horrible voting pattern)
- Risen (not playing pro-town, pushing austinmcc with broken logic)


If Risen is scum, my reads on Onegu and Oatsmaster are possibly incorrect.
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