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On November 26 2013 07:07 Holyflare wrote:
##Vote: Thrawn
will post logs in bit, anyway thrawn is biggest read, risen has completely fallen off too, your case on him wasn't that great IMO in favor of his townieness, he wants to martyr and get 3 town killed over potentially 1, scummy but either way thrawn for now, for me at least! Can you just post messy log for now? I really just want to check for one thing.
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On November 26 2013 07:12 Mig wrote:
Thrawn has done almost nothing to make me think he is town (I only wonder if he would buddy BC so obviously day 2 when BC was making his idiot case against grack as mafia). There are just more things that Risen has done that makes me think he is mafia. At the very least thrawn voted BC while Risen tried to get people to move to Oats last second. You are completely cool with Risen trying to last second save BC?
You really buy him yelling DOUBLE TOWN LYNCH DOUBLE TOWN LYNCH right before last cycles lynch when they were trying to save BC? He was pretending to be a bitter upset townie but then almost immediately asks vigs to shoot after the lynch lol. It is such a joke. He was acting and his story makes absolutely no sense. You are not a bitter townie upset that you are going to be lynched and then immediately you do a 180 and martyr yourself.
The not voting pandain stuff is literally the only evidence I see at all that you have that Risen can be town and that can be explained by a ton of different things (as I talked about earlier).
Anyway in the end like I said I think they are both mafia.
I think if you look at thrawn's vote on BC yesterday, it looks scummy and not good. Yes, he voted BC. But I cannot find a single reason why he would have done so. He was townie, townie, townie, and then asks BC to explain his argument with Mig. Before BC explains, thrawn votes BC, without saying anything, and never actually calls BC scummy. When BC answers thrawn's question, thrawn does not say whether BC's answer is scummy or not.
A vote on a CLEAR lynch leader who flips mafia from a guy who had him town, without any reasoning for a change in read, comes off looking, at least to me, like thrawn wanting to be on the lynch for a sliver of cred. If you look at his comments about BC before, right at, and after the vote...do you actually read it as a townie action?
When did risen try to last second save BC? BC tried to last-second save Risen, but I don't read Risen's stupid posts as trying to save BC. I think that Risen's conduct after the lynch makes no sense as town Risen. I think that Risen's conduct today makes no sense as town Risen. I think that he is forgetting or "forgetting" things like "if we lynch scum today they are down 1 KP," and neither of those makes him look town.
I can't make the dude look like a saint or a giant townie force. But I think the Pandain stuff yesterday is ODD for scumRisen. I think that he had one townie-looking answer to my question about BC on D1, saying that BC's grack/storrzerg post looked good and his followup looked scummy. That's....pretty much it. As of right now I don't super want to stand in the way of a risen lynch if scum is already down to 1 KP. But I'm much more certain of thrawn's scumminess than Risen, and I really want to make sure we hit a scum before we go after Risen.
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Boo.
I wanted to see if you and Artanis discussed the plan to say he was shooting BC and then shoot me. If you DID, you'd be 99.9999999% town, because Artanis got roleblocked when, if you were mafia, they could have NOT roleblocked, blocked some other random person, and let me get shot.
That was the very specific bit I was looking for, but I didn't see him discuss that witchoo.
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On November 26 2013 07:25 Holyflare wrote:
± if I was scum i would have totally added it in there because that would be obvious free town points
Which is why I wanted you to post it quick and not say you were going to do it later.
I apparently missed Artanis saying that he had not discussed things witchoo.
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Mig, you still around at all?
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On November 26 2013 08:41 Mig wrote:
I am around but only for 5 min then I will gone till after the deadline. Whats up. Just wondering about the thrawn vote on BC yesterday. If you look for justification, do you find some? Do you agree with Koshi that it's him sheeping thread sentiment?
We're on opposite sides of who looks worse, and I'm not sure why thrawn's vote on BC looks good to you.
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On November 26 2013 08:45 Mig wrote:
I don't think it looks good, I agree it actually makes him look worse with the useless timing and his earlier opinions of BC. I was just making the point that he actually voted for a scum where as Risen tried to last second save a scum.
Anyway I will repeat that I think both are mafia and if I could murder them both I would but I can only murder one so gotta murder Risen who has still not shown up with any cases whatsoever. Okay. As long as I'm not missing something there.
When you say Risen tried to save BC, you're talking about his townie-lynching caps posts?
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Eh. I don't think you can go that far. I have not seen him actively try to put town in a worse position as a townie, which seems to be what he's fine doing today. MULTIPLE times it has come up that if we lynch scum, KP goes down. Risen, who maintains he is townRisen, continues to vote himself, even after reading this multiple times.
Whether he's giving up or whatever, he can do it on a day when we're at less than or equal to 3 remaining mafia.
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VA does not appear to want to vote either. Slam wants to be useful, but does not vote either main candidate and does not follow up. Unknown if he'd go either way.
Thrawn probably votes Risen, if anything. Risen can still switch to Thrawn or someone else.
If thrawn votes risen and slam votes risen, it's still just 7-7 with thrawn hitting 7 first. So thrawn has to vote risen, slam on risen, AND oats on risen, without risen unvoting himself like a non-noob, for there to be a change based on unplaced votes. I did not see anyone else super contemplating swapping.
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Gonna play an LoL game and check back in.
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On November 26 2013 09:22 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 09:02 austinmcc wrote:
VA does not appear to want to vote either. Slam wants to be useful, but does not vote either main candidate and does not follow up. Unknown if he'd go either way.
Thrawn probably votes Risen, if anything. Risen can still switch to Thrawn or someone else.
If thrawn votes risen and slam votes risen, it's still just 7-7 with thrawn hitting 7 first. So thrawn has to vote risen, slam on risen, AND oats on risen, without risen unvoting himself like a non-noob, for there to be a change based on unplaced votes. I did not see anyone else super contemplating swapping.
I will stick with a Thrawn vote. I want things more sure. Also, though I am uncooperative lazy child, you have been the uncle. Whatchoo mean by wanting things more sure?
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Oh, sure on who gets lynched.
Why you want thrawn to get lynched? Something against 2s and 1s?
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I don't know that we start counting mason chickens yet, but LM/HF/pandain all masons and all currently alive?
grack is...not a mason.
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There's a tiny, tiny chance that mafia decided to all gang up on scumgrack, but yeah, it's WAY unlikely.
I think this also makes onegu look a little better, as I don't THINK that scumthrawn goes "K GAIZ I'MA PLAY SUPER SRS NOW" and then goes after onegu, except only for his votes yesterday and the rest of onegu's filter looks townie. That seems like.....an odd choice for thrawn's target, he either DESTROYS a scumbuddy or he finds a scummy looking townie, imo.
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Imo, it also makes townPandain much more likely, given thrawn's vote yesterday. I'm not sure what to make of pandain's other votes yet. Rayn was town, BC was scum, but hopeless/LM/coag are unknown, and hopeless has felt relatively townie to me. Certainly not looking like every scum is there, but it DOES look like too many scum on him to be a mafioso.
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On November 26 2013 10:17 Grackaroni wrote:
Shouldn't we just lynch Risen? We probably lynch risen, imo, unless something neat turns up. But may as well still be trying to solve the game.
On November 26 2013 10:18 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 10:07 Mig wrote:
Maybe vayne can stop saying Austin is scum now. what are you talkin' about rtard? Austin has been the one pushing me, only reason I started pushing him. Anyone that thinks I am scum can rot. VA, you had me as scum earlier, before I pushed you, for no reason as of yet. And you liked an austinmcc/pandain lynch (which now appears to be TWO VETS). Don't act like you didn't have me scum, and didn't slightly push me previously. But you're still not a lynch right now.
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I don't think there's much reason to focus on scenarios where risen is town.
Setting up what to do if he's town and what to do if he's mafia and who looks good in a bunch of hypothetical worlds is sexy, but also great territory for mafia to post and chime in and whatever, because they can post like crazy about what happens if flips are this way or that way or whatever.
I know I defended Risen N3, and then on D4, but given thrawn's never pushing risen (the only other real lynch) and risen's never pushing thrawn/never returning/continuing to vote himself despite knowing we needed to lynch scum and not a martyr, things ain't look good for him.
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sry, only people who have made themselves decently useful for the first 3 days get to troll now.
Haven't been looking at much or typing much this cycle because i SHOULDN'T die. Realized there COULD be a suicide bomber or another vigi, although I dunno if they'd use em.
Anywho, lynch risen. Read HF's stuff on coag. Then proceed to not lynch him tomorrow and lynch risen instead. Then proceed to discuss coag, while performing the aforementioned lynching of risen.
Other things to discuss:
(1) Why VA worried about a mafia medic N2 and then forgets a mafia medic D3, so that he can unvote BC. As a tangent to this discussion, discuss the fact that BC was mafia.
(2) Grack. A couple mafia going after grack, grack looks good. Every last mafia ever going after grack, it looks a little odd. Granted, he doesn't ever seem to get VOTES, just people calling him scummy, and that's good, but please read and watch his filter, make sure this is mafia on town violence, not mafia on mafia violence.
Things that I think:
(1) Given pandain's voters, he's likely town
(2) Mig is town
(3) Hopeless1der was super afk, but has been on a similar page to myself the last couple days, and he's one of my stronger townreads. Please don't lynch him for a bit.
(4) Cheesecake is suddenly playing after a bunch of scum are dead. For all the work he put in today, I think making giant posts about what might happen if risen flips town is...maybe not so much helpful. Especially with a lot of his other new activity being somewhat trolly.
(5) That the votes on people OTHER THAN BC/RISEN D3 should be crosschecked with votes on BC D1. People who fall into both those categories are smelly.
(6) People who jump on BC out of nowhere D3, with little reasoning to explain the change, are likely mafia (see: thrawn. see further: my post saying to watch for that. see further further: a couple stupid posts like this with some things to look out for, because I swear those are things that mafia is likely doing, probably nobody doing ALL, but most/all mafia doing some).
(7) LM is...unknown. I liked his early mason chat with me. His play continues to be super lurky. Please check his votes, his reasoning, and...whatever.
(8) In relation to (6), someone needs to go back and check for people who were scummy on mattchew. Mattchew was likely to be a mislynch target. Not all mentions of him being scummy are from scum. Some likely are. Maybe same thing with pandain and oats, who are likely town but have gotten called out as mafia by a bunch of folks except I haven't put together lists of who dem folkses is.
(9) VA is pooping on people from space.
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On November 27 2013 09:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I gave two scenarios austin, nothing else to do during the night. Have to take all the stuff into consideration. You put a lot of work into risen being town. Like...more work than you have put into the rest of the game (Said in a smiley way).
It looked odd.
Especially since the last time we played together, you were really lurky, a bunch of scum died, then you bussed a scumbuddy, then were really lurky, and that game didn't go so well.
This game, you were really lurky, a bunch of scum are dying, and all of a sudden you are not really lurky. So maybe you're town, or maybe you decided you had to get active as mafia because you had no control in Sexy Sandwich Mafia. I dunno.
Or compare with HF's activity. HF got active, made a case on a questionable dude based on some flips and some posts and stuff. Then keeps reminding people he did that. His activity looks targeted at a filter, at a person, at a scumread, and at making people discuss possible scum. Yours looks more targeted at speculation, what might be the case if x happens, or y happens. It feels...not super duper townie.
But non-sarcastic props for getting involved and posting.
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gg Koshi.
Yes Cheese, I know you were active early in Aperture. I was on your team, being really inactive.
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