I'm really really not convinced on this coag business, if you look at his entire filter it's literally useless. I agree CC isn't very towny and his post on towny people vs scummy people was calling people town for voting thrawn etc but I think the points raised against him are also very mediocre at best. You're giving coag brownie points for voting thrawn but CC did that also, in fact I give more weight to CC's vote on thrawn.

He was the first vote on risen, he didn't need to switch AT ALL and nobody would bat an eyelid, then he returns with:

On November 26 2013 05:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I want to lynch both risen and thrawn. You know what? FUCK IT SHENANIGANS!!!!!

##Unvote
##Vote: Thrawn

You think that's something scum do? He pretty much maintained steam on the reverse lynch train ONTO thrawn. He was the 5th person to do it and that added a LOT of weight onto thrawn and off of risen. He could have stayed on risen and done mucho shenanigans, especially as the vote was soo so close at the end.

People called him scum for an "if risen is town" scenario, however, he even says that the "if he is town bit" has no real analsysis put into it and should be seen as tentative for now. What would be the point of that, he detailed out the "if he is scum" bit way more methodically, something I see a towny doing. I think a scum would flesh out both parts equally.

Holyflare

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December 01 2013 22:56 GMT

#7238

It was also you austin, who said that he put a lot of effort into the if risen was town bit here:

On November 27 2013 10:01 austinmcc wrote:

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You put a lot of work into risen being town. Like...more work than you have put into the rest of the game (Said in a smiley way).

It looked odd.

Especially since the last time we played together, you were really lurky, a bunch of scum died, then you bussed a scumbuddy, then were really lurky, and that game didn't go so well.

This game, you were really lurky, a bunch of scum are dying, and all of a sudden you are not really lurky. So maybe you're town, or maybe you decided you had to get active as mafia because you had no control in Sexy Sandwich Mafia. I dunno.

Or compare with HF's activity. HF got active, made a case on a questionable dude based on some flips and some posts and stuff. Then keeps reminding people he did that. His activity looks targeted at a filter, at a person, at a scumread, and at making people discuss possible scum. Yours looks more targeted at speculation, what might be the case if x happens, or y happens. It feels...not super duper townie.

But non-sarcastic props for getting involved and posting.

If you actually read CC's post, it really is no effort at all for the town part, he's highlighted people different colours on who he thinks are town/scum and they all really hinge on the thrawn lynch, it's pretty because colours but if you put a ribbon on a pile of poop at the end of the day it's just a pretty pile of poop. It was most definitely also fine to list out an if risen is town part because if he was scum then none of the wagons mattered at all because it was 1 scum between another, if he was town then wagons played a more important part in the game. I didn't see you mention that though.

Holyflare

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December 01 2013 23:00 GMT

#7240

So someone starts a lot of effort into the game and your first remark is that he is scum lynch with fire?

Holyflare

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December 01 2013 23:02 GMT

#7243

The only questionable thing that he has done imo is switching to onegu with me when risen posted that he was lying, anything else you have been mentioning is so far gone from scumlike that I don't know what to say.

Someone starts to put in effort AFTER scum kp goes down to 1 when scum are most likely to lose. Do you think that's the mentality of someone losing the game? He could have maintained his attitude of non-contribution and snuck past and you'd still think he was scummy because of lack of contribution, so what tool does a town person have to get away from scum/scum scenarios at that point?

Holyflare

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December 01 2013 23:05 GMT

#7246

Now compare that to coag, it's the same thing!?!?!??!!?

Holyflare

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December 01 2013 23:11 GMT

#7252

I don't think he's not mafia I just don't think he's the right lynch when there are people who weren't on thrawn who are doing much more questionable shit and then seeing these CC votes go down the way they have been I'm not liking some other players too.

Holyflare

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December 01 2013 23:16 GMT

#7255

If oats was scum why wouldn't he just switch to risen and then thrawn could move over? I mean I agree oats is scummy as hell and I made a case on him day 2 but what sense does that make?

Holyflare

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December 01 2013 23:17 GMT

#7258

I've loosely kept track of him since then and I've read a bit of your/LM's posts on him etc so I'm not entirely behind on him I just think that point alone throws everything up in the air.

Holyflare

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December 01 2013 23:20 GMT

#7261

I checked the vote and he was on unvoted, then I checked his log and saw he only posted in thread.

On November 24 2013 17:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
##vote Risen I have no idea why Austin doesnt want to lynch risen.

Makes perfect sense.

Holyflare

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December 01 2013 23:23 GMT

#7264

If scum lost a kp because oats didn't vote in the vote thread I will seriously just spam lol all post-game.

Holyflare

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December 01 2013 23:24 GMT

#7265

but I honestly don't think they would let him do that

Holyflare

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December 01 2013 23:27 GMT

#7267

Well, talk to me about slam a little bit and I'll consider oats.

Holyflare

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December 01 2013 23:29 GMT

#7269

I think slams vote is the most suspicious thing in the game and I think he should die by the way.

Holyflare

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December 01 2013 23:41 GMT

#7275

I think you've extrapolated the wrong side of things from CC's reads on risen. I do agree that he didn't mention thrawn reasonings for mafia compared to risen though but what good reason does he have to switch to thrawn in the first place? Reduction of kp against 2 vets? Kill off for town cred? No, he clearly didn't get any of that, I don't think you can get a thought process from the lack of information that he posted so it's null at best not the scummy light that you have painted it.

The most objective of people would look at risen as both town and scum, the most analytical would look at risen as town (which CC was doing) and make hypothesis based on that scenario IN CASE it happens, he did not call risen town, he is saying in the case that he is town then we can do "x plan", he calls him scummy and votes him (I don't know why he switched to onegu though). What were other people doing at the time? They did sweet FA. They sat on a risen is scum lynch and did nothing to progress further town ideals. At least this is what CC appears to be trying to do. Now what risen has in fact flipped town, I expect him to push into his scenario and lynch off Oats, pandain, VA, onegu, Slam.

On December 01 2013 20:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
b]##vote: oatsmaster

[/b]

which he is doing

Holyflare

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December 01 2013 23:45 GMT

#7279

On December 02 2013 08:30 Pandain wrote:
I have a town read on him because he is playing too dumb to be mafia in this situation, wanting to martyr himself is dumb as town but worse for scum esp. after what they saw with risen.

He was also extremely blunt about wanting to lynch Rayn because he made the thread a clusterfuck

Could be less scum but I wouldn't lynch him now

On November 26 2013 08:48 Holyflare wrote:
The votes are very close, we need to consolidate on 1 so no shenanigans are possible. Recommend thrawn.

On November 26 2013 09:20 Alakaslam wrote:

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K noted.

Why should Risen get lynched over Thrawn?

On November 26 2013 09:22 Alakaslam wrote:

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I will stick with a Thrawn vote. I want things more sure.

Also, though I am uncooperative lazy child, you have been the uncle.

On November 26 2013 09:46 Alakaslam wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: VayneAuthority

Holyflare

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December 01 2013 23:50 GMT

#7282

"one of the reasons he's scummy"...................?

The dude literally gets told that he needs to consolidate to make sure no shenanigans can happen, tells us that he will AND THEN VOTES VA and you don't want to lynch into that!??!?!

Holyflare

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December 01 2013 23:52 GMT

#7285

If 2 people are suspicious and one of the people is getting defending a shit tonne and won't get voted, why would I not move onto the next scummiest looking person??

Holyflare

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December 01 2013 23:53 GMT

#7286

On December 02 2013 08:52 Pandain wrote:
I find it hard to beleieve you as town don't want to lynch either oats or cheesecake

I never said I don't want to lynch oats but I do not want to lynch cheesecake right now.