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On November 24 2013 10:08 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Its been 5 minutes. Austin stop asking useless questions Then go with this, why are we following ss's list?
On November 24 2013 10:09 VayneAuthority wrote:
There's not much to discuss. We are lynching SS' top suspect and if he's wrong then we can talk about it.
Why are we lynching down ss's list?
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That's an honest question, to both of you. It's simple, you don't have to go filter diving cheese (although you should answer the other questions, because they're about your own reads). I'm curious.
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On November 24 2013 10:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
Why not? I always give confirmed town the benefit of the doubt. Then if they are wrong with our top read I ignore everything else. Because we've had a number of confirmed town, and nobody said we should lynch down OOHCHILD or Artanis's lists.
Also, ss just yesterday was townie on BC and scummy on oats, and maintained his position throughout, indicating that, at least through yesterday, he was wrong on same major reads.
During the night, he posted little, and did not realize that I had previously claimed mason.
Overall, I don't see why we would mindlessly sheep down SS's list, given that he was absolutely convinced oats was mafia and BC was town, and given that he did not catch pandain's vet claim, nor my vet claim.
I'm not sure why you would follow him over other confirmed townies if you're just going to sheep someone's reads.
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So unless you can give me a reason why ss is magically correct in all his reads but Artanis/Kush/others weren't, why are you sheeping one list but not others?
Why are you sheeping the list of the dude who was wrong on BC/oats and kept arguing it?
Why are you sheeping the list of the dude who has missed a lot of stuff that happened this game?
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On November 24 2013 10:20 VayneAuthority wrote:
because I do what I want, how about that It's not a very good reason. You at least have to admit that.
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On November 24 2013 12:31 Alakaslam wrote:
Ok, so it looks like everyone wants to give Texas what he wanted. Any objections...? Do YOU have any, Sir Slam?
thrawn,
I notice you really poked at onegu's votes, which are, indeed, kinda awful. Do you think his play as a WHOLE is scummy? Is the rest of his play townie/null, but the votes are just so bad that he's scummy?
If I don't want to lynch risen (and I don't), and you don't want me lynching you (you don't), then let's chat, or you can send me down some filter holes to go check people out, or ... pretty much whatever. But I'd like to know your thoughts on the rest of onegu's play.
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I will look back more at Pandain today.
His votes yesterday look like mega-butt though, BC swap aside. How do you feel about various entities on this list:
Pandain (6): Risen, Hopeless1der, raynpelikoneet, Coagulation, Risen, Pandain, thrawn2112, LoneMeow, BloodyC0bbler
I assume you find yourself townie, so coag, thrawn, LM.
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On November 24 2013 13:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
i trust you the most right now since you appear to give a shit about continuing to play the game, so for that your read of LM as town gets sheeped by me. However, LM has done next to nothing this game so its only because I don't have a better reason than "lurking" to call him scum that I choose to ignore him. The game is over 300 pages, and he still has 3. One hundredth of the thread is LoneMeow. Thats fucked. If it was LYLO, he'd be under consideration but for now, forget about him.
Coag is as about as useless as LM, but with double the filter.
I agree that thrawn looks scummy based on the past couple pages. More suiciding onto Grack makes no sense though, so I'm hesitant. I'd be willing to lynch thrawn today, at least over Risen (but not over Pandain). I want to hear from mig about why he finds the log scummy. I find the start townie, I wish he'd stayed active and talked/bullshitted with me about BC's dying post and stuff, but oh well. It lessens the townieness of our mason chat, but overall I'm still...okay with it I think.
On November 24 2013 13:54 Grackaroni wrote:
Yeah I don't agree with your case Hopeless. It's already been well explained by now that Pandain didn't want to reveal to the thread that he was a veteran (what's the point of being a veteran if you do) that is why he lied. I agree some of the Storrzerg stuff was really strange but other than that I don't see anything worthwhile in your case. Pandain's posts regarding BH were actually completely misrepresented in your case as well. What do you think about the parts in both rayn and hopeless's cases on Pandain's storrzerg read D1?
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I promise I read stuff. There's a lot in those cases that I throw out, including some side-stuff that is unimportant like VE saying pandain scum-slipped by noting there was only one mafia mason (absolutely can't be true if pandain mafia).
But the storrzerg comments DID just jump back and forth between townie/scummy.
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On November 24 2013 14:21 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 14:07 austinmcc wrote:
I promise I read stuff. There's a lot in those cases that I throw out, including some side-stuff that is unimportant like VE saying pandain scum-slipped by noting there was only one mafia mason (absolutely can't be true if pandain mafia).
But the storrzerg comments DID just jump back and forth between townie/scummy. I don't doubt that you read lol. What are the questionable things you keep mentioning about Vayne? The bulk of your argument seems to be based on Vayne claiming mad hatter and BC forgetting to mention vayne when discussing much kp town has which seems dumb to me. If he was in a QT with Vayne I'm sure vayne would be in there blabbing about his hatter claim in the QT so he's not exactly more likely to forget Vayne when talking about that. Aside from that how frequently do scum breadcrumb a role from the start of the game all game long and make themselves stuck to that claim? I'd say close to never. I'll do a post on it later today or sometime. He's not a lynch for today, I'm just frustrated that he can turn sideways and disappear and nobody looks at him. it's a combo of:
- BC mentions the other KP claimers, not vayn. It's not just this. I read BC's post, especially when he flips scum, as ACTUALLY thinking town had a bunch of KP this game and he hated that idea. They have 1 or more than 1 medic(s), but still...lotta town KP. But who does he leave off the town KP list entirely? Vayne. He's posting about town KP, why we can't have 3 town KP sources, and he entirely omits the guy who keeps mentioning how many crumbs he left and how his claim is airtight. BC read the thread, saw rayn's claim, but entirely missed Vayne's? And once rayn says his claim was fake, BC doesn't address whether artanis/vayne/Mig can all be town KP sources, despite arguing previously we couldn't have artanis/rayn/mig.
- His "confirming" himself based off mocsta read wonky to me last night - + Show Spoiler +On November 18 2013 10:26 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 15:24 Mocsta wrote:
VA seriously
That is not cool.
I don't five a fuck what alignment u r.
mocsta scumslips that I am town here, so if you push me from here I will just think you are dumb unfortunately. boop. That's it. That one comment, after VA posted that giant wall of link text. But man oh man mocsta scumslips that VA is town, The End.
- His read on me was troubling to me, watch it evolve:+ Show Spoiler +On November 17 2013 01:19 VayneAuthority wrote:
I've definitely been keeping an eye on him as well, austinmcc looks suspicious to say the least. His random questions to 3 specific players that really had no connections to each other or we're even the main topics really rubbed me as strange Suspicious. npnp, fine read On November 18 2013 03:58 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2013 03:56 Koshi wrote:On November 18 2013 03:55 VayneAuthority wrote:
aight im here, we all know im gonna get shot by a vig so if anyone has any questions shoot Is ausstin or Holyflare scum? austin I have currently right outside the spectrum of my initial scum reads, if one of them flips town I would go to him as scum yes. Holyflare I honestly haven't paid attention to much tbh, I saw rayn was attacking him so I just let him do that and see what happens. Just outside initial scum reads, npnp On November 19 2013 03:26 VayneAuthority wrote:
dat list post
town: Thrawn, Grack, Me, Rayne, Risen, Mr. CC, Artanis, Oats
Slightly town: Koshi, Coag, Pandain, Supersoft
Slightly scum: BC, VE, austinmcc, kush
Not Town: LM, BH
Unknowns: mattchew, mig, onegu, hopeless, stutters, HF, Slam
Slightly scum On November 20 2013 04:00 VayneAuthority wrote:
Warning: Conjecture ahead
So I did a little research on the timestamps of when SS announced he would kill mocsta as mayor and the votes that followed after that.
Supersoft says he would kill mocsta at 9:57, says he will filter mocsta at 9:47
Austinmcc switches his vote to supersoft at 9:23
Then switches back to VE at 9:47 as well.
I was hoping it would be a little more conclusive but he would have had to change his vote in the same minute for this to have any merit...anyways something to keep in mind for austin.
Here's a thing on austin but there's no conclusion and I don't know if this is scummy or not at all and he doesn't say if he thinks it's scummy or not. On November 20 2013 10:06 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2013 03:26 VayneAuthority wrote:
dat list post
town: Thrawn, Grack, Me, Rayne, Risen, Mr. CC, Artanis, Oats
Slightly town: Koshi, Coag, Pandain, Supersoft
Slightly scum: BC, VE, austinmcc, kush
Not Town: LM, BH
Unknowns: mattchew, mig, onegu, hopeless, stutters, HF, Slam
LM and austin double lynch sounds good to me tomorrow I'm still slightly scummy, but I'm definitely a D3 lynch, LM and myself, not BC. On November 20 2013 10:31 VayneAuthority wrote:
scum ran for mayor from my calculations...they just didn't have a good candidate on their team. If I'm correct look at mocsta and BC who each got 1 and 2 votes respectively...oh they tried. BC was a scum mayor candidate, sayeth VA On November 21 2013 11:20 VayneAuthority wrote:
w/e then id also be down to lynch into pandain/austin, definitely one scum there Lynch pandain/austin. Forget LM, forget BC, we lynch pandain/austin, a slight town and a slight scum read On November 21 2013 13:44 VayneAuthority wrote:
Only if for some reason you believe there can't be 2 mad hatters, when we have 20 masons running around and 50 other PRs. so I don't see why rayn's claim has to be fake. NOT ABOUT ME, but look. rayn could be a hatter, because we could totally have 2 hatters. This is 1000000% the opposite of the reason, I presume, that he wants to lynch pandain and I (assume we have 0-1 veterans) On November 23 2013 09:48 VayneAuthority wrote:
I still think the safest double lynches would be pandain/austin or BC/mig because there is mutually exclusive scum in both of these. I am pretty sure about that Still fine with lynching pandain/austin. Or cool with lynching BC/mig When I asked him why I was scum early for him, he wouldn't respond. When I continued, he said it was because I voted to lynch rayn yesterday. That is NOT a reason for him to have wanted to lynch me D3, it's not a reason to lynch into pandain/austin, and it's not a reason he found me slightly scummy back on D2. THIS IS IMPORTANT, AND REALLY WHAT GOT ME A LITTLE TUNNELED ON HIM. WHEN ASKED FOR REASONING ON HIS EARLY SCUMREAD ON ME, HE REPLIED THAT I WAS SCUM FOR A REASON THAT HAD NOT YET OCCURRED. HE HAS YET TO PROVIDE ANY JUSTIFICATION FOR WHY I WAS SCUM BEFORE THE RAYN LYNCH. There is NOTHING in the thread from him about me beyond that stuff, while he DOES talk about LM, about BC, about some other folks. I'm a top lynch for him yesterday with NO reasoning. And the only reasoning I can infer from his posts is that he wants to lynch pandain/austinmcc yesterday. He floats this idea MULTIPLE times, despite it lacking LM (his top scumread), BC (the thread's top scumread and a scumread of his), and DESPITE ARGUING THAT WE COULD HAVE TWO HATTERS.
- His bombs. + Show Spoiler +(1) He puts a bomb on OOHCHILD N2, because OOHCHILD was "shitting up the thread" at some point. + Show Spoiler +On November 22 2013 01:55 VayneAuthority wrote:
kush is such a bad player that he made me waste one on him when he started shitting up the thread, I changed it last second. . I don't know when OOHCHILD started shitting up the thread, he never explains, and OOHCHILD LOOKED TOWNIE ENOUGH TO MAFIA THAT THEY SHOT HIM IN THE FACE. (2) He puts a bomb on BC N2, despite artanis claiming he was going to vigi BC, because - + Show Spoiler +On November 22 2013 01:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
Scum doctors, I wanted to stack Kp. . Maybe. But here's the thing. LM is a STRONGER scumread for him. Why doesn't he just bomb LM, and if he gets killed, his STRONGEST scumread dies? Instead, he bombs BC, a slightly scumread according to his list, in order to stack KP. Putting a bomb on LM means LM, his strongest scumread, dies. Putting a bomb on BC means that BC, not his strongest scumread, dies through a medic OR gets hit with 2 KP when 1 would do it. How does this decision make sense? You risk overkill on not your strongest scumread, just in case of medics, when you could have bombed a second target and skirted the medic issue altogether. He explains because - + Show Spoiler +On November 22 2013 01:58 VayneAuthority wrote:
Also I never had a bomb on LM. figured we were lynching him today . Which, maybe. But he's so worried about protection on BC that he drops his bomb there, which only helps kill BC if VA actually dies last night. Otherwise, BC is protected, BC lives, and we 100% lynch BC the next day, not LM. VA's reason for putting a bomb on LM relies on BC dying overnight. Which would rely on no protection or VA dying. I don't think this placement makes FULL sense. Some sense, yes, but...I don't find it to be the most sensible action and I'm confused by it.
- He's one of two people to vote BC super early yesterday and then slide off without getting back on (The other was rayn). This fits a POSSIBLE pattern of scum thinking BC was dead, but town wasting a lot of the day and BC half-convincing a lot of people, and so going "Oh wow, BC actually isn't 100% dead after we RBed artanis. We can totally save him!" Now, THIS IS IMPORTANT. READ THIS CLOSELY. VA unvotes BC because his bomb is on BC. We don't need to lynch BC, because if mafia ever kill VA, BC will die. Open and shut case. Just N2, VA says he put his bomb on BC because he was worried about mafia medics blocking Artanis's KP. VA was worried about medics N2. But on D3, we do not need to lynch BC, because he'll die if VA dies. No medics now. No worries about medic protection despite him CLAIMING his bomb target. A mafia medic was gonna block Artanis's KP, but not good ol' VA's CLAIMED BOMB. He has entirely forget that he was worried about mafia medics, and we had not seen BC flip medic yet, so chances were still the same that they had one.
There's a rough, ranty list. The key points for me are that: - BC somehow forgets Vayne claimed KP, despite discussing our other hatter, and despite seemingly being worried about the amount of KP town had
- rayn does not have to be mafia, because town could have two hatters. But we should lynch pandain/austinmcc, because there HAS to be 1+ scum there
- When asked to explain why I was mafia BEFORE the votes yesterday + Show Spoiler +
On November 23 2013 10:11 austinmcc wrote:
(2) Vayne, you had me as mafia BEFORE these votes. I want to know why. - On N2, he puts a bomb on BC because mafia might have a medic and we need to stack KP. On D3, we don't need to lynch BC because his bomb will kill BC if mafia ever shoot VA, entirely forgetting that the whole reason he put a bomb on BC was because of worry over a mafia medic.
Someone, on D1 or something, posted a comment about how to read VA based on whether he was steering town or not. I also thought that was an interesting point, but I want to focus not on any kind of meta arguments, but about ACTUAL oddities and contradictions in his play this game.
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On November 24 2013 14:52 Alakaslam wrote:
Austin,
Have you seen "Lifeboat"? I have seen a lifeboat.
But I have not seen a movie or TV show called "Lifeboat."
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The whole breadcrumb argument is also essentially "I started crumbing early and ONLY crumbed hatter, therefore I must be hatter."
From the same guy who argues we have to lynch pandain/austinmcc yesterday because we can't both be veterans. Yet I've never claimed to be anything else, and crumbed my role on D1. Pandain has not claimed any other role, and apparently told SS D1 he was a veteran.
pandain or myself is SURELY lying about our role, can't be multiples, and we have to be fakecrumbing/claiming a single role since D1. vayne is 100% town because he crumbed from D1. Also, rayn could have been hatter, because we could have multiple hatters.
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There. There's my current summary on Vayne. He's not a lynch today, he should not be a lynch today.
But dear sweet Jesus I don't really understand what people are seeing in his filter. And I would like to have Some Serious Discussion Time, because I can't get a straight answer as to what people find super townie about him. And nobody seems to have critically read his filter, because there are big fat contradictions in there like how he treats hatter claims and veteran claims, and how he treats KP on BC during N2 and future nights.
I'm off for the night after posting that. I'm gone for most of tomorrow. Would really like to see active LM. Would really like to see active thrawn, and for thrawn to speak about more of onegu's play than just his conduct during D3.
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On November 24 2013 15:12 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 15:05 austinmcc wrote:On November 24 2013 14:52 Alakaslam wrote:
Austin,
Have you seen "Lifeboat"? I have seen a lifeboat. But I have not seen a movie or TV show called "Lifeboat." K the movie is sublime watch with Casablanca. Envision a boat full of dejected survivors of a U-Boat torpedo on a cruise ship stuck with a Nazi officer who was aboard the cruise ship conducting espionage. He is the only one rowing the boat. Does this help you understand my fears this game? Sure. Urrbody gots a right to be paranoid.
But if I'm a metaphorical Nazi here, I ain't steering no boat yet. Yar, she be fightin' me, this here vessel.
Otherwise, I'm pretty open and honest with my thoughts. I think people can see/read MOST of what I'm thinking, and can figure out what I'm working from and where my thoughts go. I engage BC a lot yesterday, and, imo, it appears like he's singling me out as someone to try and convince, reason with, and really get off his back. He never attacks me as scum, he's always trying to be reasonable and just just just convince me that he's not scum. I don't see that as scum on scum interaction, I don't need to be convinced to save him if I'm scum, and he needs to work on convincing someone else that can maybe swing a vote or two.
(Also, scum are the ones rowing a boat. It's a tiny boat, and it's sinking. Maybe it's just an inflatable life raft with a little hole in it. Town be some sharks in the water, hungry from scum. Chomp chomp, mafia)
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On November 24 2013 15:15 VayneAuthority wrote:
it's like the boy who cried wolf austin, we have 3 games together and you tunnel me in every single one, why do you expect anyone to take you seriously, especially given the circumstanes Does my finding you scummy determine your alignment? If I just find you scummy every game, you will always retroactively get a town PM?
How come you put a bomb on BC N2, in order to stack KP with artanis's shot, in case of a mafia medic, but then you unvoted BC D3 because your bomb would kill him if mafia ever killed you?
Where did the worry about a mafia medic go?
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On November 24 2013 15:23 Pandain wrote:
Austin, so who are your lynches for today?
What do you think about Oats?
I thought oats was town before the BC flip. BC flipping mafia and ss flipping town does not give me reason to doubt that read.
My lynch of choice is thrawn atm. See vote.
I need to give LM a closer look, and I want to check with mig on what he really dislikes about our logs, especially after I posted our N3 chat. He was someone I would have lynched at the start of D3, but now am, at the very least, worried/paranoid about, because he got a lot of "Let's lynch LM!" without a lot of reasoning and could have been a nice mislynch target.
I also want to give cheese a much much closer read. There's a post from ...13 or something hours ago about things I wanted to look for. Cheese hits a couple and has mostly escaped heavy scrutiny. I wanna peek harder, and if a lot of warning bells are ringing, he's got an outside chance to really shoot up in my lynch preferences.
Vayne I want discussion on, for now. And I need to read you harder and engage in more discussion there, possible-veteran-bro.
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On November 24 2013 15:23 Grackaroni wrote:
lol Austin BC was not reasonable. I'm actually really unimpressed with his scum play. He did absolutely nothing but make excuses and accuse me for trolling and accuse mig for shooting a doctor. Overall, he was not terribly reasonable.
But he was trying very hard to be reasonable with some of his posts, and he was specifically targeting a bunch of questions and posts at me that were based purely in logic/thought exercises, in order to try and get me to unvote. If you check his filter, there's a line of posts when he was calling mig scum, and there's a line of posts right up towards the end of the lynch. iirc, those two separate back and forths.
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okay seriously. I go sreep now.
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On November 25 2013 01:00 Mig wrote:
Austin/thrawn can you please explain to me exactly why you think Risen is town. Austin I keep seeing you say you are going to go back and read his filter. Well did you? No, gone all day, top of the list for tomorrow. I've got a couple posts based on his actions yesterday, and why I don't think scumRisen flips out and does all the crap he did yesterday if he's scum. Scum had GREAT control over that lynch for so long in the day. I will double check the timing along with rereading him, but if Risen starts to meltdown BEFORE we get any kind of consensus on votes, then that feels townie to me. Why make a spectacle of yourself yesterday if you're scum and in the middle group?
Also, look at your other risen post.On November 23 2013 09:59 Risen wrote:
AUSTIN LAST SECOND VOTE ON RAYN THAT DOESNT MATTER SCUMMY AS FUCK If Risen is scum with BC and they are planning shenanigans to save risen, it's a ... tense moment for scum. They're watching votes, they NEED BC to swap unhindered in order to kill not-risen, and in order to kill pandain. Risen not only posts this, but he doesn't post "last second vote," or "voted but didn't post," or anything like that. He specifically calls it a "last second vote on rayn that doesn't matter."
If he knows BC is planning on swapping to Pandain (or anyone), then my vote ends up putting rayn at 6 before pandain hit 6. Risen would KNOW that my vote DID matter, and I'm hesitant to say that in the minutes right before we possibly lynch 2 scums (in the scumRisen world), he uses THAT phrasing, a vote that doesn't matter, when as mafia he would know that my vote WOULD matter.
On November 25 2013 04:11 Pandain wrote:
To explain:
1. Extremely contributive day one, seemed to have town agendas and pushed them. Questioned people. Consistent.
2. Talked to BC ALOT. Like that would be weird to do, though it's not impossible. Double weird because this would be thrawn's first scum game?
Thrawn was not in the game D1. He replaced hiro, who was mostly inactive D1. Whatchoo talkin' bout?
On November 25 2013 09:01 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 08:34 Holyflare wrote:
Post at end of day - cause confusion - mislynch
Post now - discussions - right lynch
You are town and post at end of day - cause confusion - mislynch you/another towny = 2 nightkills = 3 town deaths
You are town and post now - discussion - avoid possible mislynch = 1 night kill = 1 town death
You are scum and post now - discussion - you die = 1 night kill = 1 town death
You are scum and post later - cause confusion - possible mislynch = 2 night kills = 3 town deaths
How is your option choice the one that = post later, that is the worst scenario. I hadn't thought about it like this. I was more thinking along the lines of catching people out who have more information about my alignment than they should. I'm not home until late tonight, though. I'll post cases then. I don't think any case would/should prevent my lynch, though. At best it delays it maybe if we hit scum. But what if we hit town? What if I'm wrong? You should read the thread. You SHOULD have thought about it like this, because THIS HAS BEEN POSTED. It is not magical new thinking, it's 100% true and it has already been put in the thread.+ Show Spoiler +On November 24 2013 04:37 austinmcc wrote:
IF YOU ARE TOWN, PLEASE STOP BEING DUMB. THERE ARE 4 MAFIA. IF WE KILL ONE THEIR KP GOES FROM 2 TO 1.
IF YOU WANT TO DIE AND ARE TOWN, DO IT AFTER WE KILL A FRIGGIN' MAFIA. YOU ARE 100% NOT A GUARANTEED LYNCH TOMORROW, AND THRAWN IS A NICE LYNCH AND I THINK WE SHOULD LYNCH HIM OVER YOU REGARDLESS OF YOUR ALIGNMENT AND WHAT YOU DO.
Nobody cares either way about your "woe is me, kill me now" posting. So knock it off. We find mafia, we lynch mafia. Then you can commit seppuku or whatever you want. You have no idea what happens tonight, who dies, whether if ss is town he ACTUALLY BLOCKS SOMETHING AND WE ALL SPLOOGE AND HIGH FIVE AND THE GAME IS SUPER SUPER NICE TOMORROW.
The issue of super getting shot over others came up. Super was basically half a cop. He can't check people town (only town OR mafia and not delivering KP), but if he happens to RB someone who is mafia and shooting, PEW PEW.
Dat sounds a wee bit dangerous for mafia to leave alive, IF they were worried we might lynch their own roleblocker (or if RBs resolve in such a way that they can't roleblock a roleblocker). He doesn't just have 2 lives, he can find scum via role, and it's possible that after today they couldn't stop him for at least 2 more cycles.
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