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supersoft, did you alter those logs? I have been masoned by LM. He saw I wanted to talk with him. Nothing else posted yet. BC, Mig is not mafia. He's just not. Whatever you dislike about his targeting, look at the way he processed me asking for factional numbers. Look at him being the only person going "wtf is going on why aren't we consolidating?" rayn does look wonky. Koshi, I agree that a number of his reads have changed or been lost or been found for odd/no reasons. I remember him being very stubborn in his reads in other games, not so much here. One sec, looking at some vote stuff. | ||
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On November 23 2013 05:05 supersoft wrote: So in other words, these statements are entirely false?Risen, if Mig, BC and I were scum together lol beautiful theory, has nothing to do with the thread. I believe you just went through the playerlist and copy pasted a few names together you thought might fit austin: ofc i didnt alter any logs. On November 22 2013 13:25 Pandain wrote: Supersoft didn't put my real role in the thread. I don't know why he faked it, but I'm grateful because for all you know I'm a tracker and so I get shot. He is town | ||
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I think In a decent way though. | ||
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There are, as best I can tell, NINETEEN people alive in this game. There are, as best I can tell, FIFTEEN different people getting votes today at some point. There are, as best I can tell, FOURTEEN different people getting votes today RIGHT NOW. Start from there. Throw out ALL your scumreads, throw out this entire thread, throw out your computer, the baby, the bathwater. If you're town, you have scumreads. You have townreads. You think people are one or the other alignment. But you KNOW that with 5 scum and 10 votes between them, a lynch in which we have FOURTEEN candidates is NOT GOING TO GO WELL. That's just fact. It's not based on reads, it's not based on WIFOM, 14 people getting votes is NOT a good situation as town. So I propose we start lopping people off of the list, NOW. We need to consolidate, but mainly we need to shut down some tangents and get things focused on ... heck, just a list of like 6 candidates or something. (1) The following candidates have only a SINGLE vote - Koshi (Onegu), Onegu (Oats), Oats (Supersoft), Coagulation (Grack), Alakaslam (Vayne). Out of those, only one had more than 2 votes today, and that was slam, who topped out at 3. I propose we cut Koshi, Onegu, Oats, Coag, and Slam from possible lynches. They've got a whopping one vote each. They haven't really picked up any votes. No matter how strongly you feel about them, anyone voting those folks does not appear to have made convincing arguments. If anyone wants to argue that it's townie to have votes spread so much, or wants to argue that, despite convincing nobody to vote these players over the course of D3, they are totes serious lynch options, please do so now. Otherwise, Onegy, Oats, Supersoft, Grack, and Vayne should move their votes. (2) The following candidates have only TWO votes - Mig (BC, Oats), HF (Pandain, Onegu), Supersoft (Hopeless, Risen). Out of these options, only supersoft has ever had more than 2 votes today. I propose we cut Mig and HF as possible lynches. If anyone wants to argue that it's townie to have votes spread so much, or wants to argue that, despite convincing almost nobody to vote these players over the course of D3, they are totes serious lynch options, please do so now. Otherwise, BC, Oats, Pandain, and Onegushould move their votes. Supersoft has had much much more movement on and off him today, so probably should stay as an option over others. (3) rayn and koshi have each voted for 5 different people today. It looks like Koshi has voted, unvoted, and revoted (and sometimes unvoted again) 4 of his 5 total voted peeps. Risen has voted 4 people today. Slam has voted 4 people today. This indicates, TO ME, that Koshi is probably town. He has moved his vote a lot, but also keeps moving it back and forth. Koshi stands out as NUMBER ONE ICHIBAN VOTE-MOVER, and the way in which his vote moves shows ... some confusion, to put it mildly  . Yes, we all have 2 votes, and so making votes and moving them once = 4 people, but Koshi stands out for how friggin' much he's moved his vote, how willing he is to just vote the guys he just unvoted, how much he doesn't care what his vote record looks like. | ||
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SS RBs oats N1 We see only 2 scum KP N1 (artanis KP confirmed, he flipped town, mig KP backed up by mig shooting again last night, so probably wasn't covering up a factional hit). We only saw 2/3 factional KP N1. Therefore, ss believes Oats was delivering a factional kill and was blocked. Individual scum carrying out kills are blockable this game. | ||
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On November 23 2013 05:46 Risen wrote: Makes sense to me. Any consideration for him withholding a KP to get oats lynched at a later point in time? I'm fine with not lynching super now. But that means Oats needs to go so we can lynch super after if Oats flips town. That's just the way it has to be. For now: ##unvote: supersoft Don't know how you're town. I think you're scum going for the 1 for 1. I'd be impressed by this bus, though not surprised. I put no stock in possible withholding a KP N1 when they know the mayoral lynch was townie and they probably feel decent. Other options are super lying, mafia hitting an assassin, mafia hitting Sharrant's doc target, mafia hitting an unclaimed vet or unclaimed doc's target. | ||
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On November 23 2013 05:46 Koshi wrote: Anyone that is a veteran or has a vest gets notified when hit, to indicate that they have lost their ability/item.austin are you sure you get notified when hit? Anyone protected by a medic does NOT get notified when hit. | ||
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Pandain claims veteran to you. He later tells the thread that DID NOT HAPPEN, that you altered the logs. You say you didn't alter the logs. | ||
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On November 23 2013 06:23 Mig wrote: Thrawn has been on a number of scummy lists, been called scum by a number of people, but is one of the only players in the game to pick up ZERO votes today. It's curious. (I'm one of the people calling him scum).If Risen is scum he is a beast. On one hand you put 0 effort in at all this entire game then when about to be lynched you explode. But it seems believable. I have no clue really tough. Anyone want to talk about thrawn. He posted 65 times in his other game and not here, 65! Also, 16 people have received votes today but not him. Why is he so completely ignored. If he were town seems like an easy person to jump on for mafia. Yamato said to watch thrawn, and that if thrawn was useless, he was mafia - On November 18 2013 09:27 yamato77 wrote: Notably from a player replacing an inactive fuck who has also done basically nothing. Watching thrawn, if he's not mega useful we lop his head off. Artanis had him as scum in final list, but thrawn/risen were both there for lack of better options. Yamato's thing not super useful, that was very early on and he seems to be keying in on the replacement factor and not identifying a specific facet of thrawn's play. But I agree that thrawn looks bad. | ||
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On November 23 2013 06:26 supersoft wrote: TO JOIN COAG, YOU RESPONDED TO ME WHEN I POSTED THE EXACT PLACES WHERE PANDAIN SAID YOU ALTERED THE LOGSwhat where did he say that. rofl i completely missed that On November 23 2013 05:12 austinmcc wrote: So in other words, these statements are entirely false? | ||
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On November 23 2013 06:44 Mig wrote: I have found a lot of Risen's posting today to be slightly too logical for him to be super scummy.Yea it was incredibly obvious really for anyone who isn't a cow. I don't know if that makes Pandain town but the ploy was clear. Anyway I am torn between thrawn and Risen. Risen does nothing for 2 days is close to getting lynched and just turns the thread into complete chaos. Thrawn gone, has posted a ton in his other game and seems to be completely ignored despite people being suspicious of him. | ||
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On November 23 2013 06:50 Mig wrote: I haven't read Wrestlamafia 2013. But I think people are really really focused on that. The only game I've played with scumrisen, he faked being a parity cop or something, got lucky with his claimed check and accidentally nailed a third party or something (Chrono Trigger).I agree most of his defense seems good but everyone talks about how good Risen is as mafia right. Look what he has done to the thread lol. He posts a 1-2 liner every 10 hours for the first 2 days now close to the lynch deadline he turns the thread into a mess. Seems like really good scum play. I am worried if Risen is mafia he is just owning town right now. Fuck it I don't know tho honestly. I would be ok voting thrawn. I may be working from a different scumRisen than others, but I think Risen knows plenty well how to wreck a thread as mafia, but also has not been the sole person wrecking this thread. And I haven't seen him...DO anything that I might expect from scumRisen. He's been relatively tame. | ||
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THERE ARE NINETEEN PEOPLE ALIVE. FIFTEEN PEOPLE GOT VOTES. FOURTEEN PEOPLE HAD VOTES A MOMENT AGO. PROBABLY LIKE TWELVE AND A HALF PEOPLE HAVE VOTES NOW. IF YOU ARE MAFIA TODAY, A COUPLE HOURS FROM LYNCH, WHAT ARE YOU DOING IN THAT SCENARIO? IF A NORMAL TL MAFIA PLAYER IS MAFIA TODAY, SAME TIMING, WHAT IS NORMAL JOE DOING IN THAT SCENARIO? | ||
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On November 23 2013 08:33 Risen wrote: I don't care if you hate questions like this. You are blowing up at HF for crafting some case on you based on play last game where you played good scum or you played decent scum and town played like poop or whatever.I'm bussing one of my scummy teammate homies because they're scummy as shit. Normal joe is defending his scum team and trying to misconstrue what people have said. I really hate questions like this. What do I do as scum always? I find the most scummy person in the thread and build a case on them, regardless of their alignment. It just helps me find scummy things about people when I know their alignment. You KNOW that he hasn't read all your games, and that he's overanalyzing a particular game. You, assuming you're town here, KNOW that he's not bussing you. So what that leaves me is that you think HF, if he's scum, is trying to defend his scumbuddies and he's trying to misconstrue what people have said. He's just building a case on someone scummy. My question is....why you? Why, when he's getting little traction on his case and posts specifically, all his HWC mafia references, does he keep going. The votes are spread. He PROBABLY doesn't have to protect someone all that hard. Why does scum HF attack YOU specifically, and in this really, really, HF-specific way ----> constant references to a game you guys just recently played in. Do you think he's effectively making you look scummy? Do you think HE thinks he's effectively making you look scummy? | ||
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On November 23 2013 08:40 Risen wrote: If I count correctly, you have 4 votes.Why me? I'm the clear frontrunner for second lynch in front of LM or Pandain or SS or Oats. All of those people look really bad. My gameplay isn't the most endearing. I am the easiest person to push a mislynch onto. I don't think he's being effective. I think the majority of the train on me is scum, not town. That's, frankly, not a boatload. I don't think it's near enough to say you're a "clear frontrunner." For all the people moving onto you, or the train, or whatever, since the last vote count I see THREE UNVOTES on you and TWO VOTES. You've LOST VOTES. I don't terribly see that as an effective scum push when really they only need a couple votes. If scum has is out for you, you'd have an extra vote or two IF they had active members that cared at all. The fact that you're LOSING votes speaks to me that either a push is going elsewhere, or there isn't some concerted action to get you lynched. | ||
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On November 23 2013 08:43 Risen wrote: The population of India + the population of china = the number of mislynch options scum has right now.EBWOP: And prior to my sudden outburst how was HF to know I'd get involved in the game beyond a smidgen of defense? As far as he knows when he makes that first post I'm not defending myself at all. He also knows I hate defending myself. I know he read some of my games during WHC. It's only after my burst in posting that HF sees I'm going to actually be posting more and now has to appear to be pushing me while maintaining a semblance of being "open to change his mind". He's not open to changing his mind, and he's clinging to his misleading statements about my gameplay because he doesn't know what else to do. If he's scum, and multiple people have pulled their votes off you, he can SUPER DUPER MEGA easily hop off you and onto ANY NUMBER OF MISLYNCHES. How can he not know what else to do? SOMEONE out of oats/BC/SS/you/pandain/thrawn/rayn is town. Multiple people in that list are town. If he's scum, he can change his mind and hop onto another mislynch EZPZ. This doesn't MAKE him town. But it's way way way way easier for him to be town than you're saying, because scum do not, imo, need to really super duper hammer on you right now if you're town. There are too many options. He is in here expending a ton of effort trying to make you look scummy while you're losing votes, and he's mainly arguing really specific stuff that he thinks based on a single past game. Yet you're all super defensive about it. | ||
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onegu unvotes super unvotes pandain unvotes super votes again grack votes you should now be at mig, super, HF, grack. Rayn picked up 2 votes to go to 4. There are some other folks at 4 maybe or something. There are a bunch of unaccounted for votes (I have one of those). | ||
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