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This is extremely relatable to what gumshoe just said---if he didn't show up nobody would have lynched him, and I understand that completely.
And this is not true because of the following:
(1) hzflank was here defending himself.
(2) i just got back, ET lynch was not going to happen for some retarded reason and i really clearly had implied gumshoe was my #2 target for lynch.
If we assume gumshoe is scum, it is not really hard to make an educated guess about who is going to be the next lynch target if hzflank lynch does not go through. It is going to be either gumshoe or Onegu. Do you disagree?
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On November 06 2013 10:41 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2013 10:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No WoS, the thing here what gumshoe said does not refer to you, because he was using that as a defence.
I did the exact same thing in ##, i got back when i could have stayed afk and not get called scum for it. I was scum. There was nothing alignment indicative in that comment because whatever way you look at it it's WIFOM. You're wrong. Look at the timing of gumshoe's and my posts. How long before you were lynched did you 'come back' from being afk? There's a massive difference. I really don't want to argue with you about this though because it's going to turn the thread into a shitfest and I already know you and I will not see eye-to-eye on this. It's irrelevant right now; I only wanted to know what you were originally referring to. Show nested quote +On November 06 2013 10:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:This is extremely relatable to what gumshoe just said---if he didn't show up nobody would have lynched him, and I understand that completely. And this is not true because of the following: (1) hzflank was here defending himself. (2) i just got back, ET lynch was not going to happen for some retarded reason and i really clearly had implied gumshoe was my #2 target for lynch. If we assume gumshoe is scum, it is not really hard to make an educated guess about who is going to be the next lynch target if hzflank lynch does not go through. It is going to be either gumshoe or Onegu. Do you disagree? I don't disagree that you would have tried to push him next anyway, but how do you think that would have looked on you if gumshoe hadn't come back at all?
WoS i am talking about D1 in ## where i am referring to myself.
I don't care how it would look on me. And that's not the argument here. The argument is there is nothing alignment indicative in his comment and i know it because i just did the same thing as scum, therefore the comment can be come from scum. If it could not come from scum i would have flipped town in ## game. If there is something that makes you think mafia!gumshoe could absolutely not say that and it had to be town!gumshoe, then tell me why so we can discuss it.
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On November 06 2013 10:51 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2013 10:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 06 2013 10:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 06 2013 10:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No WoS, the thing here what gumshoe said does not refer to you, because he was using that as a defence.
I did the exact same thing in ##, i got back when i could have stayed afk and not get called scum for it. I was scum. There was nothing alignment indicative in that comment because whatever way you look at it it's WIFOM. You're wrong. Look at the timing of gumshoe's and my posts. How long before you were lynched did you 'come back' from being afk? There's a massive difference. I really don't want to argue with you about this though because it's going to turn the thread into a shitfest and I already know you and I will not see eye-to-eye on this. It's irrelevant right now; I only wanted to know what you were originally referring to. On November 06 2013 10:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:This is extremely relatable to what gumshoe just said---if he didn't show up nobody would have lynched him, and I understand that completely. And this is not true because of the following: (1) hzflank was here defending himself. (2) i just got back, ET lynch was not going to happen for some retarded reason and i really clearly had implied gumshoe was my #2 target for lynch. If we assume gumshoe is scum, it is not really hard to make an educated guess about who is going to be the next lynch target if hzflank lynch does not go through. It is going to be either gumshoe or Onegu. Do you disagree? I don't disagree that you would have tried to push him next anyway, but how do you think that would have looked on you if gumshoe hadn't come back at all? WoS i am talking about D1 in ## where i am referring to myself. I don't care how it would look on me. And that's not the argument here. The argument is there is nothing alignment indicative in his comment and i know it because i just did the same thing as scum, therefore the comment can be come from scum. If it could not come from scum i would have flipped town in ## game. If there is something that makes you think mafia!gumshoe could absolutely not say that and it had to be town!gumshoe, then tell me why so we can discuss it. We've already been over this. Gumshoe's entire early game posting makes no sense from a scum standpoint. (And for the record you are comparing apples and oranges if you are referring to D1 in ##. I disagree and that's all there is to that.) I'm not sure that it makes sense right now to go through his filter here and Basterd to debunk your case on him post-hoc because hindsight is 20/20 (or 6/6 in Canada!) and I can't be sure I won't be biased.
That's why i said i hated this D1. I am not claiming i am always right. When i made the original case on gumshoe people did not tell where i was wrong (and i still stand behind my case besides gumshoe's alignment - obviously). PEople just ignored the case or said "no he has contributed here and here" which is not tellingwhere i am wrong because i did very clearly say what i thought gumshoe said in his posts. If i was worng and people thought i was wrong why the fuck would noone go into those posts and tell me:
"Look, here. gumshoe says this and that. This means this and that, and it clearly contributes to the game because XYZ."
That's how you are supposed to do it. Look at how i answered Cephiro's case on you and ET's case on thrawn. I think the cases were shit. I went through them and told people what i disagreed with. There is no reason why there should be bad/wrong cases in thread at any point of the game because having them distracts the town from scumhunting. That's why people should point out why the cases are bad and not just say "lol bad case" or stay silent.
I hope you get what i mean. If i make a case and noone tells me why it is bad then i think i am right.
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On November 06 2013 11:15 WaveofShadow wrote:Like...how the fuck can you even come in here and consider what you posted even worthy of a case that nobody responded to? Your case was so shit nobody even needed to respond to it because it said nothing. You were vague and just said you didn't understand what he posted---and then when I asked you what the scum motivation was for what he posted? You said: Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 17:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Bleh.. I can't really say. :E
I think it's not alignment indicative. Great case, bro. The only one we have to blame for D1 lynch is YOU, and whereas normally I would think the header of a D1 mislynch is alignment non-indicative, I believe it to be completely indicative of you being scum in this case. You had nothing to go on from the very beginning and you feel super strongly enough to call him your second strongest read after ET and THEN get pissed at everyone else to deflect? Scum city bro.
I don't know if you have been reading the thread or not but i backed up my gumshoe case with an argument about the differences in his posting in this game and in Basterd. Do i really need to go to my own fucking filter because everyone seems to have missed that post?
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On November 05 2013 17:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe's contributions in Basterd have a clear point, are transparent and every time they reach to a hard conclusion. None of those things happen in this game and half of his filter anyways is useless because it's about fake case that either serves no purpose if he is town or he just fucked up and is making stuff up if he is scum.
Here. It's fucking here. Do not lie about this WoS and stop this shit already.
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And what the fuck is about the comment you quoted. That has nothing to do with gumshoe. Why the fuck do you even bring that up?
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WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT COMMENT YOU QUOTED?
THAT IS ABOUT ONEGU, NOT GUMSHOE?
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING WAVEOFSHADOW???
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You are full of shit WoS.
Good night.
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I am too pissed off to leave yet.
So if you thought this was the case why didn't you say that in the first place?
Why did you tell me to go look at Basterd game which i did and then did not say anything about it?
Why are you letting me run around with shit cases here -- and then call me scum during the night phase for it when you could have done that a fucking day ago if you thought i was wrong?
And explain that Onegu comment. I demand a fucking explanation on it right now.
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Okay i see what you and me might have understood. Here is the conversation:
On November 05 2013 17:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ughhhhhhhhh the self-vote.
Fuck now I do want to change it. I don't know if I've ever really seen scum martyr (self-vote, whatever) like that specifically and he gave us pre-death reads.
Rayn he quoted you here---does that thought stand? Is his play too shit to be scum?
##Unvote
ET I await your return because I want to see if you can convince me now that I don't have a primary target. I still don't think I'd go Sn0 today (though if he acts the same way tomorrow as he does today he's dead tomorrow) and I feel better about Umasi than I did so maybe it is thrawn. The thought process thing has yet to steer me wrong though, and I would find it odd that thrawn would be so happy-go-lucky about talking about town circles and whatnot...
On November 05 2013 17:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Generally yes, it stands. Although now it doesn't because he brought it up. :E
I have no idea what to think about it either.
Could you comment on what i said about gumshoe?
On November 05 2013 17:17 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 17:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Generally yes, it stands. Although now it doesn't because he brought it up. :E
I have no idea what to think about it either.
Could you comment on what i said about gumshoe? I see your point but the effort he put in while he WAS here (sporadically) gives me a great deal of pause. Why would he do that as scum? What is the motivation?
On November 05 2013 17:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Bleh.. I can't really say. :E
I think it's not alignment indicative.
The bolded parts. I think we are talking about Onegu all the time.
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Apparently in your last post you were talking about gumshoe...
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WoS why would i say "i can't talk about it" about gumshoe?
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And yes, i am blaming people for not doing anything useful in the last 20 hours of D1. If you want to lynch me for it go fucking ahead, but it's the truth.
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After the comment you apparently thought was about gumshoe (which i thought you were talking about Onegu) i even ask you this:
On November 05 2013 17:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WaveofShadow why do you refuse to talk about gumshoe? Also ET same question?
Shouldn't this be a clear indication someone has misundertood something?
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i again remember why i did say what i did in ##'s game. lol this is hilarious.
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I don't think they are very good because they make no sense to me besides what he says about ET.
I am going to try to be very polite and not trying to rage when i say this and then i will never bring this up again.
The D1 lynch was bad. It was really bad. If you guys really want i can go back and quote all the cases that were "possible lynces" (if you want to put it that way lol) before i made my case on ET. But i can tell you, the cases were in this category -- "geez, someone used a scummy word". Then there is this guy who comes in and says "hey guys we need to consolidate". If this was a newbie game that would be acceptable because you know. But this is not. Consolidating 24h before the deadline with the cases there were is ridiculous. It's even more ridiculous that i made a case, ET gives basically a "fuck you" answer and people tell me "you should see ET is town" because of it. The spoilered thingy is kinda useless and only explains why i get really mad at these games.
+ Show Spoiler +The guy has 5/5 in his scumgames before Hogwarts and i called him scum for his first post in that game - he was scum. I have also correcty identified Pandain (who had apparently never lost a scumgame before at that point) as scum at last on N1 two games in a row after having played two games with him before that.
So yeah, i don't like getting called scum because i said "D1 was shit, your lynch went through, you are not allowed to be mad, you are also scum because ET is totes town (without explaining why)" .
In addition to that, i am not going to talk about people who i do not want to lynch at that point in this game. Like it or not, but i think it is beneficial, because of the scum bluesniper role and the bitchcraft elections. I can point out why a case on someone is bad if i think they are town, but if you ask me "what do you think of X" don't expect me to say "he is town because of ABCDE" even if i think so. If you can't see why, idgaf tbh.
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OO why would there be 3 scum on gumshoe unless hzflank is scum?
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So if i get this right;
OO is saying scum somehow needed to lynch gumshoe over no-lynch?
If that's the case i have no idea why OO thinks scum "needed to hammer gumshoe" based on Cephiro being scum.
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On November 06 2013 15:39 thrawn2112 wrote:
hmm. the mafia team is ET Sn0 and Ceph because.....
starting point >>> ceph is the most nervous about the lynch
-cephiro was apprehensive
-maybe he's apprehensive becuase he's waiting for his team to green light gum's death
-there's probably 2 scumbuddies causing all of sn0's apprehension
-therefore all 3 scum are talking about the gumshoe lynch in the scum qt as it's going down
-since all 3 scum are around for the lynch they must have all voted gumshoe at some point
conclusion>>> 3 scum were on the mislynch
That is absolutely terribad, are you really trying to sell me on this? You're making assumptions each step of the way, assumptions that need only be made if you're trying to justify your conclusion about who the 3 scum are.
yeah i basically agree with what you are saying in this post.
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I have no idea why he should not be.
Could you clarify your posts about the scumteam?
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