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On November 05 2013 03:30 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 03:14 Onegu wrote:On November 04 2013 23:45 WaveofShadow wrote:Sweet, we're getting the non-lurk gumshoe this game. Alrighty let's see: It would be fine if he was just absolving Vanesco, what bugs me is that hesitance, or rather how it sounds like Wos wouldn't really be suprised if Vanesco was scum. It reads more to me as posturing rather than reluctance. He placed a vote early in hopes of building some momentum, and when that mometum dropped he got off the train but positioned himself so that if it ever got rolling again, he could hop right back on under the basis that he suspected Vanesco all along. Which is a safe bet when you take into account Vanesco's recklessness (which may yet get him lynched if no better targets present themselves). Also Wos's shambly defence does Vanesco no favours, because it requires us to assume that Vanesco is terrible and should be disregarded if hes town. Sometimes it's enough to just neuter a townie, because as we all know, useless can be just as bad as scummy. I'm actually surprised you were the only one to mention this so far, even Vanesco himself didn't bother. It has nothing to do with the perceived loss of momentum. I could very easily have kept my vote on him all day if I still believed him to be scummy, but as you can see I wasn't 100% sure of him being scum earlier on; I even mentioned 'nooby or scum' in one of my first few posts about him. It wasn't a bait to get him going, but I wanted him to post more to see his reaction to the pressure; that is whether he reacted in a towny or scummy way (both nooby imo). I got my answer and unvoted accordingly. Call it wishy-washy if you will but I have provided reasoning for everything I have done all day and been completely transparent with my reads and questioning. As far as the 'bite me in the ass' comments, I can't talk about one of those, but I've been systematically wrong on newbie reads a lot, so it is something I am particularly paranoid about. I was wrong about Koshi in the first game I was exposed to him as scum, and I was also wrong about Chairman Ray in a recent game of his. It's not going to stop me from performing analysis but I worry a lot because I know my analysis can be wrong, hence me opening it up for others to comment on it and pick apart, like you are right now. Other thoughts: If my goal was to neuter Vanesco, why did he basically take the entire reasoning for the 'out' I gave him and use it? You'd think if he was a fiercely strong and independent player like you are surmising, that he'd try and fight that notion. Also gumshoe, I hate to drop this card but do you honestly think at this point that the most active and engaging person in the thread is scum? This is completely subjective and not a defense and the only other defense you offer is, do you think the most active person is scum? On November 04 2013 23:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
Like...I find it pretty ridiculous at this point that anyone could suspect me but that's just self-bias and ego talking right now I suppose. Logically I know I shouldn't be absolved of suspicion unless proven it should be so but I feel pretty damn good about my performance so far, so I just find it weird that I am anyone's #1 scumread considering I have double/triple the filter and content of most people in this game.
You couldn't find anyone better gumshoe? Again subjective with you only saying your play has been good and you have been active. So other then you saying you have been playing well and transparant. Your defense was filter legnth.
Ok so my own accounts of my own filter are subjective. That's a real eye-opener, thanks for pointing that out!
Does it make me scum?
No desire to read anything else of what I've written?
Or talk about anything else?
Jeez I can barely contain myself with all of this original, discussion-promoting and thought provoking content!
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<3 gumshoe
Sn0:
lol scumshoe.
I don't think I've ever seen a scummer pull one of those 'bait-and-switch' type things. Even Rayn who lies all the damn time does this mostly (only?) as town.
Sn0, for somebody who professes not to do a lot D1, you sure do have a lot of unsubstantiated reads. The reasoning for them must be somewhere in your brain already; are you just afraid to jot them down where everybody can see?
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On November 05 2013 03:45 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 03:36 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 05 2013 03:30 Onegu wrote:On November 05 2013 03:14 Onegu wrote:On November 04 2013 23:45 WaveofShadow wrote:Sweet, we're getting the non-lurk gumshoe this game. Alrighty let's see: It would be fine if he was just absolving Vanesco, what bugs me is that hesitance, or rather how it sounds like Wos wouldn't really be suprised if Vanesco was scum. It reads more to me as posturing rather than reluctance. He placed a vote early in hopes of building some momentum, and when that mometum dropped he got off the train but positioned himself so that if it ever got rolling again, he could hop right back on under the basis that he suspected Vanesco all along. Which is a safe bet when you take into account Vanesco's recklessness (which may yet get him lynched if no better targets present themselves). Also Wos's shambly defence does Vanesco no favours, because it requires us to assume that Vanesco is terrible and should be disregarded if hes town. Sometimes it's enough to just neuter a townie, because as we all know, useless can be just as bad as scummy. I'm actually surprised you were the only one to mention this so far, even Vanesco himself didn't bother. It has nothing to do with the perceived loss of momentum. I could very easily have kept my vote on him all day if I still believed him to be scummy, but as you can see I wasn't 100% sure of him being scum earlier on; I even mentioned 'nooby or scum' in one of my first few posts about him. It wasn't a bait to get him going, but I wanted him to post more to see his reaction to the pressure; that is whether he reacted in a towny or scummy way (both nooby imo). I got my answer and unvoted accordingly. Call it wishy-washy if you will but I have provided reasoning for everything I have done all day and been completely transparent with my reads and questioning. As far as the 'bite me in the ass' comments, I can't talk about one of those, but I've been systematically wrong on newbie reads a lot, so it is something I am particularly paranoid about. I was wrong about Koshi in the first game I was exposed to him as scum, and I was also wrong about Chairman Ray in a recent game of his. It's not going to stop me from performing analysis but I worry a lot because I know my analysis can be wrong, hence me opening it up for others to comment on it and pick apart, like you are right now. Other thoughts: If my goal was to neuter Vanesco, why did he basically take the entire reasoning for the 'out' I gave him and use it? You'd think if he was a fiercely strong and independent player like you are surmising, that he'd try and fight that notion. Also gumshoe, I hate to drop this card but do you honestly think at this point that the most active and engaging person in the thread is scum? This is completely subjective and not a defense and the only other defense you offer is, do you think the most active person is scum? On November 04 2013 23:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
Like...I find it pretty ridiculous at this point that anyone could suspect me but that's just self-bias and ego talking right now I suppose. Logically I know I shouldn't be absolved of suspicion unless proven it should be so but I feel pretty damn good about my performance so far, so I just find it weird that I am anyone's #1 scumread considering I have double/triple the filter and content of most people in this game.
You couldn't find anyone better gumshoe? Again subjective with you only saying your play has been good and you have been active. So other then you saying you have been playing well and transparant. Your defense was filter legnth. Ok so my own accounts of my own filter are subjective. That's a real eye-opener, thanks for pointing that out! Does it make me scum? No desire to read anything else of what I've written? Or talk about anything else? Jeez I can barely contain myself with all of this original, discussion-promoting and thought provoking content! First where have I called you scum? I asked you a question. Because we were 18 hours into the game and you were offering defense of a case on you with I cant belive it im so active and transparent. Then you come after me because I asked you the question. Followed by you asking me to respond to your second paragraph which I did, because you said filter legnth wasnt your only defense, but it was at the time. I never discussed the case on you only your reaction to it.
What I'm saying is, if you're NOT calling me scum, what is the point of your constant drilling home about my self-subjective posts WHILE COMPLETELY IGNORING THE REST OF MY DEFENSES AND EVERYTHING ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, RELEVANT.
Feel super good about my vote choice atm. OO, join me. Hell I'll even accept Sn0 coming aboard, even if you're scum. I offer one red ticket aboard the train of justice and you can have it if you'd like.
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On November 05 2013 03:50 Sn0_Man wrote:If I could substantiate them there'd be substantiations in thread yo. Besides not so many reads just stuff. You weren't (aren't? unsure) playing how I'm used to but I can dismiss that if I need to. Was about the best I had. My shots at onegu are strictly based on teh player i have no idea his current alignment. Massive walls of text full of dumb videos is either rayn territory or scum usually so I'm flaming gumshoe. MEANWHILE I have no actual idea who is scum so I'm making sure people don't decide to lurker lynch me 
See so that's where you'd say 'Hmm...as a town member who would like to win this game, maybe I should try to help my team figure out who the scummers are?'
Which team doesn't care about who is scum and who isn't, Sn0? I forget.
Shitposting for an entire day may not be lurking, but it certainly won't take you off the lynch radar in my eyes.
Out for now, be back later this evening.
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On November 05 2013 03:56 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 03:49 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 05 2013 03:45 Onegu wrote:On November 05 2013 03:36 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 05 2013 03:30 Onegu wrote:On November 05 2013 03:14 Onegu wrote:On November 04 2013 23:45 WaveofShadow wrote:Sweet, we're getting the non-lurk gumshoe this game. Alrighty let's see: It would be fine if he was just absolving Vanesco, what bugs me is that hesitance, or rather how it sounds like Wos wouldn't really be suprised if Vanesco was scum. It reads more to me as posturing rather than reluctance. He placed a vote early in hopes of building some momentum, and when that mometum dropped he got off the train but positioned himself so that if it ever got rolling again, he could hop right back on under the basis that he suspected Vanesco all along. Which is a safe bet when you take into account Vanesco's recklessness (which may yet get him lynched if no better targets present themselves). Also Wos's shambly defence does Vanesco no favours, because it requires us to assume that Vanesco is terrible and should be disregarded if hes town. Sometimes it's enough to just neuter a townie, because as we all know, useless can be just as bad as scummy. I'm actually surprised you were the only one to mention this so far, even Vanesco himself didn't bother. It has nothing to do with the perceived loss of momentum. I could very easily have kept my vote on him all day if I still believed him to be scummy, but as you can see I wasn't 100% sure of him being scum earlier on; I even mentioned 'nooby or scum' in one of my first few posts about him. It wasn't a bait to get him going, but I wanted him to post more to see his reaction to the pressure; that is whether he reacted in a towny or scummy way (both nooby imo). I got my answer and unvoted accordingly. Call it wishy-washy if you will but I have provided reasoning for everything I have done all day and been completely transparent with my reads and questioning. As far as the 'bite me in the ass' comments, I can't talk about one of those, but I've been systematically wrong on newbie reads a lot, so it is something I am particularly paranoid about. I was wrong about Koshi in the first game I was exposed to him as scum, and I was also wrong about Chairman Ray in a recent game of his. It's not going to stop me from performing analysis but I worry a lot because I know my analysis can be wrong, hence me opening it up for others to comment on it and pick apart, like you are right now. Other thoughts: If my goal was to neuter Vanesco, why did he basically take the entire reasoning for the 'out' I gave him and use it? You'd think if he was a fiercely strong and independent player like you are surmising, that he'd try and fight that notion. Also gumshoe, I hate to drop this card but do you honestly think at this point that the most active and engaging person in the thread is scum? This is completely subjective and not a defense and the only other defense you offer is, do you think the most active person is scum? On November 04 2013 23:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
Like...I find it pretty ridiculous at this point that anyone could suspect me but that's just self-bias and ego talking right now I suppose. Logically I know I shouldn't be absolved of suspicion unless proven it should be so but I feel pretty damn good about my performance so far, so I just find it weird that I am anyone's #1 scumread considering I have double/triple the filter and content of most people in this game.
You couldn't find anyone better gumshoe? Again subjective with you only saying your play has been good and you have been active. So other then you saying you have been playing well and transparant. Your defense was filter legnth. Ok so my own accounts of my own filter are subjective. That's a real eye-opener, thanks for pointing that out! Does it make me scum? No desire to read anything else of what I've written? Or talk about anything else? Jeez I can barely contain myself with all of this original, discussion-promoting and thought provoking content! First where have I called you scum? I asked you a question. Because we were 18 hours into the game and you were offering defense of a case on you with I cant belive it im so active and transparent. Then you come after me because I asked you the question. Followed by you asking me to respond to your second paragraph which I did, because you said filter legnth wasnt your only defense, but it was at the time. I never discussed the case on you only your reaction to it. What I'm saying is, if you're NOT calling me scum, what is the point of your constant drilling home about my self-subjective posts WHILE COMPLETELY IGNORING THE REST OF MY DEFENSES AND EVERYTHING ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, RELEVANT. Feel super good about my vote choice atm. OO, join me. Hell I'll even accept Sn0 coming aboard, even if you're scum. I offer one red ticket aboard the train of justice and you can have it if you'd like. The only defense you offered at the time was you are being transparent (not a legit defense) and filter legnth, and then saying it wasnt your only defense. But as I just pointed out it was your only defense. Im not ignoreing anything. I didnt care for gumshoes case on you but your reaction afterward is shit.
Last post because you're REALLY annoying me atm.
On November 04 2013 23:45 WaveofShadow wrote:Sweet, we're getting the non-lurk gumshoe this game. Alrighty let's see: Show nested quote +It would be fine if he was just absolving Vanesco, what bugs me is that hesitance, or rather how it sounds like Wos wouldn't really be suprised if Vanesco was scum. It reads more to me as posturing rather than reluctance. He placed a vote early in hopes of building some momentum, and when that mometum dropped he got off the train but positioned himself so that if it ever got rolling again, he could hop right back on under the basis that he suspected Vanesco all along. Which is a safe bet when you take into account Vanesco's recklessness (which may yet get him lynched if no better targets present themselves). Also Wos's shambly defence does Vanesco no favours, because it requires us to assume that Vanesco is terrible and should be disregarded if hes town. Sometimes it's enough to just neuter a townie, because as we all know, useless can be just as bad as scummy.
I'm actually surprised you were the only one to mention this so far, even Vanesco himself didn't bother. It has nothing to do with the perceived loss of momentum. I could very easily have kept my vote on him all day if I still believed him to be scummy, but as you can see I wasn't 100% sure of him being scum earlier on; I even mentioned 'nooby or scum' in one of my first few posts about him. It wasn't a bait to get him going, but I wanted him to post more to see his reaction to the pressure; that is whether he reacted in a towny or scummy way (both nooby imo). I got my answer and unvoted accordingly. Call it wishy-washy if you will but I have provided reasoning for everything I have done all day and been completely transparent with my reads and questioning. As far as the 'bite me in the ass' comments, I can't talk about one of those, but I've been systematically wrong on newbie reads a lot, so it is something I am particularly paranoid about. I was wrong about Koshi in the first game I was exposed to him as scum, and I was also wrong about Chairman Ray in a recent game of his. It's not going to stop me from performing analysis but I worry a lot because I know my analysis can be wrong, hence me opening it up for others to comment on it and pick apart, like you are right now.Other thoughts: If my goal was to neuter Vanesco, why did he basically take the entire reasoning for the 'out' I gave him and use it? You'd think if he was a fiercely strong and independent player like you are surmising, that he'd try and fight that notion.Also gumshoe, I hate to drop this card but do you honestly think at this point that the most active and engaging person in the thread is scum?
The bolded are areas of my defense that have nothing to do with what you're talking about. And that's just my first defense. Are you not reading the fucking thread at all?
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On November 05 2013 08:17 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 08:15 Cephiro wrote:
Not a silly vote, most serious in fact. I very much liked some of the points gumshoe pointed out, even if targeting WoS wasn't his main aim of the case.
I also have secondary reasons for voting WoS.
And thank you for the welcome. well if you plan on staying this course then I might have to fight you later but for now I'd rather WoS manage it
I'm sick of managing shit.
You go right ahead.
Interesting case on Sn0, hzflank. I don't feel particularly good about Sn0 right now but your case doesn't quite do it for me. He has basically specifically absolved himself of all responsibility in the day thus far so you attacking him on thsoe points is just kinda 'meh' with me because he isn't really going to care I imagine. I could lynch him BECAUSE he's being particularly useless but it would probably end up being more akin to a policy lynch than for the reasons you mentioned.
Also I still have to go back and look at your scum newbie because I kinda forgot.
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On November 05 2013 08:45 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 06:28 Umasi wrote:On November 05 2013 06:04 ObviousOne wrote:
Umasi is now a person of interest. Meta-mechanics discussion/finger pointing is the core of his contribution. I have nothing to comment of, I still think vanesco is the best lynch. I won't discuss townreads at all, because nightkills, and I have no significant scumread other than vanesco, just people who are kinda scummy. Well Vanesco has posted several things since your last post regarding him. How did they affect your read on him? Even if you still think that he is scum, there must be some more detail in there now.
I remember reading this and was going to say the same thing.
Umasi, this is really bad honestly. Not budging on a vote without even considering actions since the original pressure or re-evaluating your reads constantly is really scummy.
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On November 05 2013 08:59 ObviousOne wrote:
Fuck that, he said I smell. Hang'em.
Heat wave is coming
Sno man gonna melt
Dunked
You talkin' about me?
I really don't want to bother with more useless pressure on me---it's pretty obvious I'm not getting lynched today Cephiro, but I figure I at least should try and ask, though I'm not expecting much.
What gives?
Random question---thrawn, who is scum? A lot of poking/prodding from you but no conclusions.
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On November 05 2013 09:23 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 09:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm sick of managing shit.
You go right ahead.
Interesting case on Sn0, hzflank. I don't feel particularly good about Sn0 right now but your case doesn't quite do it for me. He has basically specifically absolved himself of all responsibility in the day thus far so you attacking him on thsoe points is just kinda 'meh' with me because he isn't really going to care I imagine. I could lynch him BECAUSE he's being particularly useless but it would probably end up being more akin to a policy lynch than for the reasons you mentioned.
Also I still have to go back and look at your scum newbie because I kinda forgot. Do you truly consider yourself to have been that clearly "the most townie player in the game"? Your frustration on gumshoes case alone seemed very overboard. I also don't like how you don't even consider the option of you being lynched at all. Keep that up and I wouldn't mind making it happen. Activity does not time make. It's interesting claims like your recent one which make me a bit vary. Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 09:09 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 05 2013 08:45 hzflank wrote:On November 05 2013 06:28 Umasi wrote:
I have nothing to comment of, I still think vanesco is the best lynch.
I won't discuss townreads at all, because nightkills, and I have no significant scumread other than vanesco, just people who are kinda scummy. Well Vanesco has posted several things since your last post regarding him. How did they affect your read on him? Even if you still think that he is scum, there must be some more detail in there now. I remember reading this and was going to say the same thing. Umasi, this is really bad honestly. Not budging on a vote without even considering actions since the original pressure or re-evaluating your reads constantly is really scummy. I find it interesting that you claim that he hasn't re-evaluated his reads. Or does re-evaluation equal to changing ones opinion to you? I often re-evaluate some of my reads and still end up thinking the same, sometimes even more confirmed on my stance on a player. I don't mind Umasi getting pressured at all, but I'd like to see it happen for better reasoning than this. I do agree it'd be nice to hear how Vanescos new posts affected his reads, but as far as I know he hasn't been around to reply to the question yet. Small things like this combined with how you are trying to enforce a "I'm the towniest player"-status on yourself this early on so hard is what ticks me off. Sure you post a lot, but that's by no means alignment indicative. Looking at your posts from a neutral point of view, I don't honestly see them as pro-town as you claim them to be.
Blah blah blah, ' I don't like your posting but I'm still calling you scum for no reason.'
K Ceph.
LOL wait a minute.
You're threatening to lynch me if I keep up my arrogant behaviour, but you're ALREADY VOTING me.
You need to explain what in the actual fuck you're doing right now. No stupid-ass beeg playz.
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On November 05 2013 09:30 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 09:25 WaveofShadow wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 05 2013 09:23 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 09:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm sick of managing shit.
You go right ahead.
Interesting case on Sn0, hzflank. I don't feel particularly good about Sn0 right now but your case doesn't quite do it for me. He has basically specifically absolved himself of all responsibility in the day thus far so you attacking him on thsoe points is just kinda 'meh' with me because he isn't really going to care I imagine. I could lynch him BECAUSE he's being particularly useless but it would probably end up being more akin to a policy lynch than for the reasons you mentioned.
Also I still have to go back and look at your scum newbie because I kinda forgot. Do you truly consider yourself to have been that clearly "the most townie player in the game"? Your frustration on gumshoes case alone seemed very overboard. I also don't like how you don't even consider the option of you being lynched at all. Keep that up and I wouldn't mind making it happen. Activity does not time make. It's interesting claims like your recent one which make me a bit vary. Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 09:09 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 05 2013 08:45 hzflank wrote:On November 05 2013 06:28 Umasi wrote:
I have nothing to comment of, I still think vanesco is the best lynch.
I won't discuss townreads at all, because nightkills, and I have no significant scumread other than vanesco, just people who are kinda scummy. Well Vanesco has posted several things since your last post regarding him. How did they affect your read on him? Even if you still think that he is scum, there must be some more detail in there now. I remember reading this and was going to say the same thing. Umasi, this is really bad honestly. Not budging on a vote without even considering actions since the original pressure or re-evaluating your reads constantly is really scummy. I find it interesting that you claim that he hasn't re-evaluated his reads. Or does re-evaluation equal to changing ones opinion to you? I often re-evaluate some of my reads and still end up thinking the same, sometimes even more confirmed on my stance on a player. I don't mind Umasi getting pressured at all, but I'd like to see it happen for better reasoning than this. I do agree it'd be nice to hear how Vanescos new posts affected his reads, but as far as I know he hasn't been around to reply to the question yet. Small things like this combined with how you are trying to enforce a "I'm the towniest player"-status on yourself this early on so hard is what ticks me off. Sure you post a lot, but that's by no means alignment indicative. Looking at your posts from a neutral point of view, I don't honestly see them as pro-town as you claim them to be. Blah blah blah, ' I don't like your posting but I'm still calling you scum for no reason.' K Ceph. LOL wait a minute. You're threatening to lynch me if I keep up my arrogant behaviour, but you're ALREADY VOTING me. You need to explain what in the actual fuck you're doing right now. No stupid-ass beeg playz. For no reason? Hardly. Maybe you should read more closely instead of skimming through it without thought. Especially as for how sure you are of yourself, your two last lines are very confusing. Is it not really more obvious than that? I'm hardly pointing out some reasons why I'm suspicious of you. You reply with indifference and not caring, as well asking me the weirdest stuff ever instead of trying to comment on my points. Is it because you can't, or do you have a reason for not wanting to, other than "being obvious town and annoyed at people for accusing me?" I'm simply saying that I have no problem in properly pressuring you if you keep confirming my suspicions at the rate you currently do. You can hardly say I've pressured you to any extent yet, but that's something easily changed. No stupid-ass big plays in this one simple matter.
Lol so at first I overreact to a little pressure, and now I react to yours with indifference and not caring huh? I guess I can't win huh? Must be scum! PLEASE DON'T LYNCH ME CEPHIRO!!
Anyway onto something that actually matters.
Thrawn:
On November 05 2013 09:30 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 09:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
Random question---thrawn, who is scum? A lot of poking/prodding from you but no conclusions. not me I'll lay out just about everything I'm thinking. Note that I'm gonna do this WITHOUT going back and rereading filters, so what you're getting is whatever I can remember right now. Poking/prodding is all I've got right now. My only conclusive reads are town reads. In my notes I've got you, OO, Vanesco, hzflank, sn0, ET, Cephiro, and Syl crossed off as the people I'm not worried about, and that list is in order starting with who I'm least concerned with. Note that not everyone in that list is a town read, there is room for nulls or maybe even slightly scummy people who for various reasons I want to give some more time. The people not on that list are: gumshoe, Umasi, onegu, and rayn. gumshoe- came in with long posts that I honestly haven't read completely yet. the only thing I can remember about them is that I thought his targets were awful Umasi- I haven't paid attention to anything he's said after the start of the game, I tuned out while reading his early post about Vanesco and haven't paid him any attention since so I don't really know what that guy's about. I remember reading someone talking about how his opinions on Vanesco haven't accounted for new evidence so that is worrying. onegu- not a single thing comes to mind -rayn - I want to fucking lynch this guy because I know he's capable of doing so much more. I'm not talking about quantity of posts. That's about it. I don't really have "scumreads" yet but I'm confident about my townreads and I have a pretty good idea of who I want to talk to
Your D1 feels pretty similar to mine in this regard; I don't usually have strong scumreads D1 though this game is proving an exception since there are a lot more people jumping out at me (double entendre!) than usual.
You should read gumshoe's posts. I wouldn't mind hearing what you think about him. (I also would actually like him to comment on my defenses of his 'fake-but-not-really' case on me outside of the reactions that others gave him at some point. )
I follow your thought process but I want to make note of something here. I have a bad feeling (and I can't exactly mention why I think this) that Rayn is not going to actively be playing this game, and as such will essentially be passively pushing us to policy lynch him, as some people are basically doing at the moment.
I would also like the mention that whether this is the case or not, I probably won't be voting for him today because I would at least like to give him the benefit of the doubt. I am certainly confident in my ability to find people scummier than him today. Onegu/Sn0 and now maybe Umasi fit the bill for me atm. I have no idea wtf Cephiro is thinking right now but I don't...think...he's scum?
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On November 05 2013 09:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS what do you think of thrawn's "scumreads" or rather the reasoning behind them?
He's pretty unapologetic about basically having dick all for most of the day thus far. Doesn't strike me as scummy at the moment, since as you well know it is certainly possible for town not to have strong scumreads on the first day. I do see a marked difference in what I did D1 in ## and what thrawn is doing right now and I will be keeping watch.
Rayn, are you going to be playing this game? May as well tell me now.
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On November 05 2013 09:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 09:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On November 05 2013 09:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS what do you think of thrawn's "scumreads" or rather the reasoning behind them? He's pretty unapologetic about basically having dick all for most of the day thus far. Doesn't strike me as scummy at the moment, since as you well know it is certainly possible for town not to have strong scumreads on the first day. I do see a marked difference in what I did D1 in ## and what thrawn is doing right now and I will be keeping watch. Rayn, are you going to be playing this game? May as well tell me now. I mean two of his reads are "i have not read their posts". And two of them are "they have not done anything". well that's as much reasoning i have given at this point for someone being scum (which is nothing). At least i do not have 4 targets, only one atm. I will be playing the game, i will tell you who is scum. I don't know yet for sure about who is scum.thrawn were you serious when you said you don't remember Sylencia playing scum?
Alright good to hear.
Any thoughts on Cephiro atm?
I honestly don't know what to make of his entrance or his play thus far.
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On November 05 2013 10:10 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 09:40 WaveofShadow wrote:
Your D1 feels pretty similar to mine in this regard; I don't usually have strong scumreads D1 though this game is proving an exception since there are a lot more people jumping out at me (double entendre!) than usual.
You should read gumshoe's posts. I wouldn't mind hearing what you think about him. (I also would actually like him to comment on my defenses of his 'fake-but-not-really' case on me outside of the reactions that others gave him at some point. )
I follow your thought process but I want to make note of something here. I have a bad feeling (and I can't exactly mention why I think this) that Rayn is not going to actively be playing this game, and as such will essentially be passively pushing us to policy lynch him, as some people are basically doing at the moment.
I would also like the mention that whether this is the case or not, I probably won't be voting for him today because I would at least like to give him the benefit of the doubt. I am certainly confident in my ability to find people scummier than him today. Onegu/Sn0 and now maybe Umasi fit the bill for me atm. I have no idea wtf Cephiro is thinking right now but I don't...think...he's scum? Usually I start games off by making myself the center of attention but I didn't do that here because 1) there aren't enough people who are familiar with my town play who could bail me out if things go wrong and 2) I think people are mostly annoyed when I do that. Becoming the center of attention usually gives me something to work with, it's very easy to find scum when half the thread is accusing you. Without that tool I'm admittedly a little lost, or maybe bored is the better word. I wanted to roll mafia this game because I roll town something close to 95% (no joke) of the time, so after getting town yet again I became even less interested... add to that how I hardly know anyone on the player list and you should be able to understand my current attitude. I agree with you about Cephero. His entrance was a little awkward but he gave me a straight up answer so I'm cool with him for now. Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 10:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Cephiro looks town to me.
thrawn i find that hard to believe because the last game you played here Sylencia was scum in.. lol do you really? I'm not convinced you care at all. Are you wanting to make it an issue or are you only here to make passive accusations?
Are you and I the same person?
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Um....
I don't do well with town circles. I'm a pretty paranoid guy by nature even when talking to the towniest confirmed town that ever towned.
As is thrawn you are certainly not obvtown in my eyes at this point. In fact I think I like OO more than you currently. If you show me some of that play you were talking about in your above post then mabes we'll have something.
In any case you need not worry about what I think of you because today's lynch comes down to one of Umasi/Onegu/Sn0 in my eyes. Currently still want Onegu.
Slightly below that on the scumdar are hzflank and Cephiro.
Hzflank because I expect a great deal more from him. White flag just ended and look at his activity and behaviour there----and I may be giving him an out here but perhaps his activity in this game suffered because of that one? The thing is low activity =/= scum with him since he was very towny and active in the newbie in which I coached him. He just doesn't look mega towny right now, but not super scum either.
Cephiro cause wtf.
As for the rest, I await big things. Even from you, Syl.
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On November 05 2013 10:26 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 10:23 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh my bad you're already the only other guy on my "confirmed" town list
nevertheless, accepted We must use this power wisely. Can we agree that gumshoe is a person of interest? Huh. I wonder if he has enough recent history to get a meta baseline.
I'm fine on gumshoe right now.
You know, that witchcraft vote reminder gave me another convenient thought.
Why would you announce 'town circle' type stuff to the thread when we don't want scum knowing who we vote for? Are you creating 'easy targets' for town to sheep along their votes and as a result, easy targets for scum?
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Sorry the lower paragraph is directed at thrawn.
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On November 05 2013 10:34 thrawn2112 wrote:
I promise to talk about onegu or whoever if you'll talk about rayn?
Do you think that town rayn is likely to display the apathy he's showing if he truly thought he'd caught me lying? He hasn't done a single thing this game that's made me think he's town and the way he's passively gone after me all game does not match up to what I remember him doing the last time a town rayn thought I was mafia. Why will you not vote him D1? If you think he's going to be lazy this game why do you want to keep him around?
WoS my town circle posts were pretty sarcastic although they accurately describe my reads.
What did he catch you lying at?
As for not voting him---it's circumstantial.
First of all, when was the last time you've played with Rayn? I'm not a huge fan of people using a heavy meta basis for their reads on someone, especially when they haven't played with said person in a long time.
Rayn has been making a conscious effort not to spam thread anymore in his town games. The passive way he's going after people right now doesn't seem that much different from the poking and prodding you've done thus far, the only difference is yes, I am used to rayn being a lot more active and useful than this even in his 'reduced-spam' state.
He says he isn't going to be lazy so I will give him the benefit of the doubt for now. If we're lynching him on the basis of laziness then we are policy lynching him and I am not comfortable with that currently. If his play continues as such I will become increasingly more comfortable with it---though I can say I would still rather find and lynch scum today and it is entirely possible (and likely imo) that Rayn is doing this as town. I have reasons for thinking this which I don't think are necessary or appropriate to bring into thread right now, though I will if absolutely necessary.
Rayn knows what I am talking about and can bring it up himself if he so chooses.
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On November 05 2013 10:44 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 10:44 hzflank wrote:
I think that what we have here is the elusive Sober Rayn. Preferable to the out-of-cigarettes Rayn.
HAHA have you been reading?
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On November 05 2013 10:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 10:54 ObviousOne wrote:On November 05 2013 10:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 05 2013 10:44 ObviousOne wrote:On November 05 2013 10:44 hzflank wrote:
I think that what we have here is the elusive Sober Rayn. Preferable to the out-of-cigarettes Rayn. If you read the last page of my filter.. I was not lying regardless of my alignment. I thought this was a drunk posting joke. I'm all about dae jokesen. No i really mean it - read my last page of filter from ## game if you are curious.
No see here's the thing Rayn.
The reason why I asked you if you were going to play was because of that post.
If you start intentionally playing worse then I will be policy lynching you.
If you knowingly go about doing this knowing the result that is akin to playing against your wincon as town, and unacceptable.
Cephiro....I am not reading or responding to any of that. It is not worth my time. You're welcome to push the lynch as you please.
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On November 05 2013 11:32 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 11:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
Cephiro....I am not reading or responding to any of that. It is not worth my time. You're welcome to push the lynch as you please. Short ver for all the (censored) who can't read one long post. You should vote for WoS today, because he constantly tells how he will deliver and how he has provided a lot of content, yet hasn't really done so. He posts a lot, but he doesn't really pressure anyone. His excuse for not providing proper analysis is because he's afraid he might be wrong and it may get ripped apart. Read why this and many other reasons make him scum in my case. Do it. It won't take you that long, and it'll make you a better mafia player just by reading it. @WoS: If you truly are going to completely ignore all of that (I am extremely disappointed you are not even trying to defend yourself against the main points which are easily found.), then I promise I'll do everything in my power to get you killed. Even if you are scum, be kind enough to provide this content and tell me for example 2 persons that you think are scum, and give me a proper analysis and thought process as for why you ended up thinking they are scum and what makes them scum.
Wow.
I just fucking dodged a game of LoL by accident because I was all ready to type something to you and lost LP.
Fuck this, Ceph. I have no desire to get into it with you at all. All it will amount to is a huge shitfest because I can already tell you will not have your mind changed at all based on the sheer zealousness of your case and your posting. You can cry and scream and threaten all you like. Go ahead, you can even spam the thread like Rayn. I will not be getting lynched today so you'd better start diverting your attention span elsewhere.
I will be pushing my own lynches when and where I feel like, and am comfortable where my vote is right now.
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