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JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
November 04 2013 00:15 GMT
#1100
Storr makes me suspicious as well. He's helpful but not directing town except to take the lead on july who was town.

Storr won't get lynched today. Drop it until day post at least please.
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
November 04 2013 01:02 GMT
#1140
Balla #high five?#
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
November 04 2013 01:03 GMT
#1146
I want to say, I wrote on my notebook that sits on my desk day 1. Poofter is mafia when I wrote that Van post. I really did want to see his reaction.

Where do you guys want to go from here?
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
November 04 2013 01:09 GMT
#1152
I'm comfortable with the Von lynch coming up. Let's discuss this issue. He defended until it was a clear lynch then tried to switch off of poofter.
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
November 04 2013 01:13 GMT
#1155
I'm going out to dinner with my girlfriend. I'll be back tonight briefly.

Von, storr and cakeman are my best reads for scum. Odin maybe. He's unpredictable. Check em out if you have time. I'll look at their filters again before night post regardless.

Owb and Nyx, I dunno. Someone make a better argument than has been made yet if you want me on the wagon.
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
November 04 2013 18:27 GMT
#1223
I'd disagree that July lynch was easy. Odin had five votes to July's four when you switched.

On November 01 2013 09:04 iamperfection wrote:
final vote count

July617 (9): StorrZerg, Obzy, cakemanofdoom, Tehpoofter, Obzy, Balla24, Vonthin, Vanesco, OdinofPergo, onnyLaw
E00e (1): nyxnyxnyx, Vanesco, Vonthin, Tehpoofter, onlywonderboy, nyxnyxnyx
StorrZerg (0): Obzy, Balla24
Tehpoofter (0): nyxnyxnyx, cakemanofdoom, July617
OdinofPergo (3): JonnyLaw, E00e, nyxnyxnyx, Balla24, July617


These are the important votes from day 1 in my opinion. When I came back and started railing on Odin so hard there was a real chance to have Poofter lynched. I failed to realize nyxnyxnyx and cakeman were for that lynch after my post and their own analysis. E00e, nyx and July voted for and stayed on Odin which means very little.

I think E00e is town, cakeman null and this says nothing about nyx at all.

Gonna be digging through filters for a while before the day post. Balla you or I will probably be shot tonight so make sure to say what is you have to say. I'll recheck the reads you posted earlier and see if I come up with anything else to add to them. Also, I fucking hate how owb is playing this game. It doesn't feel scummy but so little attention is in itself scummy by not helping us as town. I still don't want him lynched yet but we have 60~~ hours till next lynch.
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
November 04 2013 18:31 GMT
#1224
I'm not sure Balla. Poofter was the fourth vote. You think he joined the bandwagon just to say he changed his mind and it was too easy?

I mean, I see where you're coming from with that point. Then poofter's vote is on E00e at some point so if he's caught it will draw attention away from himself. I think E00e's voting pattern is more significant.
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
November 04 2013 19:13 GMT
#1232
Looking at the voting owb and storr are not both scum. Owb would have thrown his vote on July before leaving for the day. Simple as that.

Storr put his vote on july early and left it there. He gained credibility early by posting advice on how to play the game. Then by leaving his vote there it makes people look at july every time there is a vote post. "oh yeah July's an option."

I'm poring over storr's filter at the moment. It's large.
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
November 04 2013 19:24 GMT
#1239
Storr's picking on weak players all game. I'm still going through this and making some notes. Picking on weak players day 1 makes sense. Policy lynching a lurker or can be the best option but we're in deeper waters on day 2 with the failed lynch. This makes it seem as if storr is helping the town.

Storr has some odd posts. I'll post a write up once i'm done so we can get some opinions for day 3.
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
November 04 2013 19:26 GMT
#1242
Cakeman you might not survive till day 3 if you don't post your reads before night ends. You have 5.5 hrs. Throw out your feelings if nothing else. By putting it out there, night killing you should be less attractive since your reads are on the table.
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
November 04 2013 19:41 GMT
#1244
Storr pushes me constantly in night phase trying to gain traction. Mentions wanting to vig me. Is this to plant an idea in the town vig's head?

On November 01 2013 06:55 StorrZerg wrote:
Im really happy to see most of town pulling off the single votes, we still have 2 people, July and Odin who are both on the chopping block.

@Jonnylaw if i was a day vig i would shoot you right now. you are disruptive on the vote right now when we only have 2 hours to go. you can switch focus to me tomorrow, but right now its not happening so stop trying to screw with town.


That post really bothers me. This is right as I bring Odin to the forefront of discussion. It's not during the night phase arguments. I don't mind being questioned or accused but what is the motivation for saying this because I brought a new lynch target into the game? There was a lot of time and I thought I could form a good enough argument to avoid the E00e or July lynches on day 1.

He's been chasing weak players all game. Posts huge segments on Nyx and virtually pressures july into collapse. Then this is the start of the owb train.

On November 03 2013 05:08 StorrZerg wrote:
OWB i'd lynch him today.
Defends Nyx for bad reasons imo on day 1.

So maybe they are linked. Votes of him and Nyx kinda link up on E00e.




I'm halfway through the filter. I'm leaving this here for now while I read the rest. I don't want this to grow out of control in one post.
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
November 04 2013 19:42 GMT
#1245
ebwop the traction started in day phase and so did the vigi comment.
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
November 04 2013 20:09 GMT
#1247
disclaimerThis post looks long but there's not a lot of actual reading. Please look over it.

On November 03 2013 05:50 StorrZerg wrote:
@tehpoofter why did you go on july, when Cake had all ready cast his vote on july? If you think cake is scum did you think it was a bus? I know its hard to answer that question after the fact when it is clear that july was town. How come you didn't' express your concern more about cake while voting on july?



On November 03 2013 05:53 StorrZerg wrote:
After finishing tehpoofter filter, yet another person who has yet to contribute to today.

I actually don't' want to lynch him. I really liked the pressure he put on cake as well as his reasoning. my only problem, was he followed cake, to vote july. I feel if he was town he would have expressed more concern with following his #1 scum read onto the july vote. Honestly this is the biggest scum feeling i get from tehpoofter. If i take that out, i read him fairly town.



This post reads incredibly scummy. He's "pressuring" poofter while at the same time he's really trying to alleviate our fears about him. Oh, this is why he COULD be scum but I don't think so.

On November 03 2013 06:12 StorrZerg wrote:
For now i'd lynch nyx, owb


and i have far more people leaning town, who i wouldn't be interested in lynching today

obzy
balla
jonny
odin
Vonthin
tehpoofter

null on
cake
E00e

i don't think i missed anyone..



Like really? A few short posts before this he tried to say cake and I are a scum team and should be lynched. Why don't you follow up on this read when no one else latches onto it. Well, Obzy does on me but that's different. Nyx and owb are playing badly. I'll eat my shoe if they're a scum team together. All of these posts combine keep pressure away from poofter, vonthin and odin.

Check page 6 of storr's filter he's still riding cakeman. Cakeman was poofter's final vote as well.

On November 04 2013 05:27 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2013 04:43 Balla24 wrote:
I think both nyx and OWB are silly lynches... they're both similar to july (pre-july-defense) that I can't get a full read on them... their plays are erratic and I can't see a reasoning for them. They aren't pushing anyone hard.

If it ends up being one of them I would rather go with OWB as a feeling over any substance, but I think they are both bad lynches. Would much rather lynch Vonthin/Poofter (I put these two together since I see them on a similar level almost), Storr and finally Jonnylaw as my last lynch target.

Would appreciate it if everybody put their votes down though... there's only like 5 hours or so left and half of us haven't voted...



instead of saying silly lynches. Why don't you post a defense for them? or explain why they are town. On the note that you cant' get a full read on them, do you think you would be able to get a full read on them if they continue with how they are playing?



Why explain why those two are town? I don't know if they are. Why not look for someone who is not town?


On November 04 2013 07:06 StorrZerg wrote:
Why do inactives get a free pass in this game? How do inactives who are scummy not get lynched?


Im in general attacking inactive people...
I made a good case against nyx... its just kinda bonus he is being bad and inactive


He's trying so hard to lynch lurkers on day 2. Lynching a lurker day 2 is so risky when we've made a solid case for poofter already. You're fucking right it's a bonus. It worked for July why not for nyx?

On November 04 2013 08:02 StorrZerg wrote:
##Vote: onlywonderboy

as a placeholder at minimum



Storr wanted to lynch nyx then votes owb. IT WORKED FOR JULY WHY NOT FOR OWB AS WELL!

Storr then goes on to vote poofter and unvote him then revote him.

On November 04 2013 09:02 StorrZerg wrote:
well i look a little stupid now :/
Still willing to go on OWB



No shit you are.

This is at @owb

On November 04 2013 09:46 StorrZerg wrote:
What about myself? or Cake? (the only other 2 you could vote for that have votes on them)


No one wanted to vote for cakeman except poofter.

On November 04 2013 10:05 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2013 10:03 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Oh this is interesting.. I guess I'm going to have to re-evaluate my read on you Jonny.


tbh, i couldn't imagine this kind of push to bus a partner on day 2 with plenty of other options to lynch. Might be more clear now on why Vans was lynched. Setting up cake/jonny is possible (more so on making jonny clear today than cake imo)


DING DING DING Who went on myself and cakeman day 2? I'll answer that question. Storrzerg! It looked like I was going to implode with obzy and balla so it was easy pressure. He quickly backs off of questioning me at all when it's clear balla and I are having a good ole time scum hunting.




JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
November 04 2013 20:14 GMT
#1248
Also don't forget the voting.

On November 04 2013 09:40 ObviousOne wrote:
JonnyLaw (0): Obzy, OdinOfPergo
onlywonderboy (1): Vonthin, Obzy, StorrZerg, E00e, StorrZerg, Vonthin, Tehpoofter
StorrZerg (1): nyxnyxnyx, cakemanofdoom
Vonthin (1): Balla24, onlywonderboy, OdinOfPergo
nyxnyxnyx (0): StorrZerg
Tehpoofter (7): JonnyLaw, Balla24, cakemanofdoom, OdinOfPergo, StorrZerg, Obzy, Vonthin, StorrZerg, Vonthin
Cakemanofdoom (1): Tehpoofter
Day 2 ends in at 01:00 GMT (+00:00).
If there are any errors please let us know.
[/b][/blue]


Looks like von and storr are trying to get away from poofter, but want to do it gently. As if we have another option. It's not great play though because I think Balla, cake obzy and I were clearly not going to move. Maybe if Odin had gone with them.

You want scum pairs?

storr/vonthin (most obvious, almost too obvious) storr has never mentioned von in a post. Like ever, not even once from what I read.

storr/nyx or owb or E00e those three are all neutral to me. They could be town and based on voting patterns I'd say are likely all poorly performing town players.

storr/odin I put this right behind the vonthin read.

Yeah there's a pattern in my scum team reads.
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
November 04 2013 20:16 GMT
#1249
Sorry for the triple post but I just noticed this interesting part of voting yesterday.

On November 04 2013 09:40 ObviousOne wrote:
onlywonderboy (1): Vonthin, Obzy, StorrZerg, E00e, StorrZerg, Vonthin, Tehpoofter
[/b]
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
November 04 2013 20:28 GMT
#1251
Going into tomorrow all I have to say is

JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
November 04 2013 20:53 GMT
#1256
Nyx was the first vote on poofter after I made my case. Had I stayed on him we might have secured that lynch day 1.

I'd leave nyx alone.
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
November 04 2013 21:01 GMT
#1261
In order storr > odin > vonthin > owb > E00e > nyx for lynch candidates as of this moment.
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
November 04 2013 21:28 GMT
#1269
@balla I'm willing to adjust my priorities for lynches for now. Yours makes sense when reading your analysis of the poofter von interactions.

storr/von seem most likely but lynching von makes a lot of sense.

@owb No one's dropped off nyx but his voting patterns and pressure make no sense from a mafia perspective. I don't think you're scum yet but give me something to work with here man. There's time to spare in your day somewhere to read the thread. Balla and I have done all the work already.
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
November 04 2013 21:31 GMT
#1270
That's not a bad point storr. This would seem to alleviate pressure off of cake when poofter was certainly lynched. Though, you and Von were switching back and forth so if it started a caketrain™ it's just a poor town decision.
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