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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
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Laughing Jack
Finland50 Posts
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On November 05 2013 13:22 Hopeless1der wrote: your play was decent stutters. The only thing that gave me reservations about you was that you had a hard time committing to hzflank or mkfuba Day 1. In all honesty, who did you think was scummier? If I had to decide for myself, it'd be fuba but you didnt really show that because you kind of just ended up sheeping town sentiment to finalize your vote. Aside from that, I think it comes down to having more time to play for you. Honestly, I couldn't make up my mind. I thought Fuba's post was scummier than Hz's overall play, but I was thinking they both were quite possibly scum. Coupled with the fact that I felt confident figuring out Fuba's alignment if he started posting more, I felt the risk associated with a potential mislynch was higher. I ended up going for Fuba mostly as a policy lynch, but I honestly would have been fine with either flip. I will say it was also very weird that both my targets d1 were up for lynch. Usually I have a fringe candidate and end up consolidating based on others peoples cases but in this case it was really hard for me to discern what all was confirmation bias from my end on Hz because other people agreed and even people who didn't weren't really pointing out the flaws in my logic as much as arguing that Fuba was just a better lynch. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
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EchelonTee
United States5239 Posts
On November 06 2013 02:51 gonzaw wrote: lol fastest X% reduction of a scumteam I've ever seen in a mafia game. gonzaw what was that game where you nuked VE and BH? I can't remember the name | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
Poof and Stutters, I was slightly leaning town on both of you but just barely. You played decent but you really need to work on your activity, I was leaning town on most of what you did post but in another game that might not be enough. (And Poof, don't run away from questions, they're not disappearing with time and in this game it made you look way more suspicious and could easily had been avoided) Pandain, you played really well but your day 1 behaviour made it really hard for me to trust you despite the successfull lynch and even after hzflanks flip I still didn't feel comfortable to lean on your reads. Oats, never defend yourself by saying that your play isn't worse then others. It was by far your greatest mistake and made you near confirmed scum in my eyes. Asinine, I don't know what to say, I gave you some rope in the beginning and I was lenient because I mistook took you for an arrogant veteran and it's not to unusual for them to not be to talkative with their reads. But you hung yourself by never following up on them while making new promises of coming activity. You didn't put any effort into your reads and you need to if you're going to fool anyone taking a closer look. Especially when you have that attitude. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9835 Posts
You make it out as if it's just bad mafia play to pressure scum reads and that is not the case. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
I will concede that oats looked terrible (imo) by the end of it, but if you hadn't been a vig, your play was disruptive and left town wondering wtf is gong on. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
So singling him out is a trifle ridiculous here. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9835 Posts
On November 06 2013 06:56 risk.nuke wrote: You were bickering back and forth for 3 pages, I've seen it go on for over 20 pages many times. It never generated anything. That is because even though you somehow ended up seeing Oats as obvious scum post game for what I was saying rather than comment on my push you asked me who I wanted to lynch. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On November 06 2013 07:00 Grackaroni wrote: That is because even though you somehow ended up seeing Oats as obvious scum post game for what I was saying rather than comment on my push you asked me who I wanted to lynch. You can want to lynch more then one person. All I knew were you were pushing Oats, and I wasn't sure Oats was scum untill later. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9835 Posts
On November 06 2013 06:27 risk.nuke wrote: Oats, never defend yourself by saying that your play isn't worse then others. It was by far your greatest mistake and made you near confirmed scum in my eyes. You see how this makes like absolutely no sense. I spent 3 pages pushing oats mostly on this point and then your in game-reaction was: "wow grack, Don't you know that Oats will never agree with you... Soooo why do you want to lynch pandain?" What you should have been saying was, "I think that Oats defending himself by claiming he is bad while actually thinking of himself as a decent player is scummy." Or whatever you actually thought of it at the time. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9835 Posts
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On November 06 2013 06:59 marvellosity wrote: Except Grackaroni singlehandedly caught Oats and singlehandedly killed him. So singling him out is a trifle ridiculous here. Kush could tunnel someone and shoot him and by luck hit mafia. And he too would forfill to crieteria, it doesn't make it good play. But my point isn't that his case was bad, just that the confess, Spanish inquisition style wasn't going anywhere. You don't direct your scum cases to the person you're accusing but to the other people. On November 06 2013 07:06 Grackaroni wrote: You see how this makes like absolutely no sense. I spent 3 pages pushing oats mostly on this point and then your in game-reaction was: "wow grack, Don't you know that Oats will never agree with you... Soooo why do you want to lynch pandain?" Grack you didn't spend 3 pages pushing Oats, you pushed oats and then you spent 3 pages trying to tell him why he's mafia in one-liner conversations. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On November 06 2013 07:09 Grackaroni wrote: I see what you are saying though. I could have spent time pushing other things and could have just wrote out one longer post on Oats. That was the most important thing in the thread for me and I'm not trying to convince Oats that he is scum; I'm pushing him to see his reactions. Just this from my point of view. I play by viewing reactions. It's no good me just seeing "Oats did this one thing, I think he's mafia". For me it's very helpful for both people's alignments to see them arguing about it. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On November 06 2013 04:11 EchelonTee wrote: gonzaw what was that game where you nuked VE and BH? I can't remember the name Sum of All Fears Mafia! Ah...those were the times... ...where I could win as scum >_> <_< | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On November 06 2013 18:38 Koshi wrote: Damn this town was pretty stronk it seems. Sort of. More that mafia was weak imo. | ||
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Bereft
United States1007 Posts
On November 04 2013 07:07 Pandain wrote: Yo bereft was playing since 2010 why was she in newbies. She was playing with my old boys. I have one possible solution but I'll see if she says it. also pandain i missed this earlier - i joined newbies because i only played a handful of games almost 3 years ago and if this game was any indication i need the practice! i noticed you had a slight town lean on me after day 1 which transitioned into a hardcore scum read on day 2. i know part of it was due to my absence (i lacked the motivation to fight it out once oats got vig'ed and an asinine lynch was practically a certainty), but was a large part from reading my newbie games?? there seems a lot more meta focus than i remember there being in the past.. | ||
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