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On November 03 2013 12:58 Pandain wrote:
I think the "Oats didn't jump on him!" is not ideal reasoning. We can't say what scum Oats and how he wanted to play, maybe he didn't notice it.
You are right that it's entirely possible that Oats just didn't notice it and wasn't paying close attention to people's posts. Town Oats does think that playing the newbie card is scummy though so it should have been an ideal push for Oats.
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I'm wondering where tehpoofter is. He's been posting a lot in his other game.
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Is it just me or does this make all my thoughts look smarter even though they are really not
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Poofter did promise some content for the night and did close to nothing day1. He's my vote until I see some analysis.
##Vote: tehpoofter
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nah I liked the old icon better 
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I want to vote the new guy.
I don't like how apologetic he was, and he used the "guys, it'll take me a while to catch up!" when we only had like 35 pages.
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About Poof lurking, I'm not decided one way or the other.
I'll just say trying to keep up with two games has been pretty difficult for me personally.
This could be the case for him too.
I do have to agree that Oats flipping red makes me feel better about Grack.
I was somewhere on the fence about him but one of my biggest things between Oats/Grack was the drug out argument that just controlled the thread for a while. It gave me bad vibes that one of them could be scum or could just be two townies muling at eachother.
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So you're having some second thoughts on Asinine Pandain?
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I don't know if that's really too out of the ordinary for a replacement post. They're almost always just an introduction and a promise to catch up with the thread and deliver some analysis.
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Actually no this post re-certifies my interest in him. I can't get over how bad it is.
On November 01 2013 04:49 Asinine wrote:
Having just caught up to the thread, I see no reason not to vote hzflank. He continues to sidestep accusations and fails to provide any answers to my questions.
##vote: hzflank
Juxtaposition of
On November 02 2013 08:03 Asinine wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2013 07:57 Pandain wrote:
I agree Hz's reasonings are poor, but it seems to be more of a result of mis-understanding then pure malice. Even ignoring him, what do you think of my points? All I saw was "mkfuba is apathetic" and a few quotes of his posts. First of all, apathy isn't a sure-fire scumtell. Apathy is usually an indication of disinterest. While scum are more likely to appear disinterested than town are, you'll need a broader set of evidence to convince me that mkfuba is scum.
and
On November 03 2013 06:36 Asinine wrote:
1) Here we can see a type of apathy that is reminiscent of scum play. He is saying that he doesn't care who is lynched.
is bad too
He might be town but we can't not lynch him.
You have second thoughts? You never seemed that committed?
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I don't know Grack.
I just dun like it
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To be frank I don't think mafia just gives up one of their mafia members. No resistance? Mmm possible but weird
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I would never do it. What do you think Grack?
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On November 03 2013 13:13 OdinOfPergo wrote:
About Poof lurking, I'm not decided one way or the other.
I'll just say trying to keep up with two games has been pretty difficult for me personally.
This could be the case for him too.
I do have to agree that Oats flipping red makes me feel better about Grack.
I was somewhere on the fence about him but one of my biggest things between Oats/Grack was the drug out argument that just controlled the thread for a while. It gave me bad vibes that one of them could be scum or could just be two townies muling at eachother.
I think Grack has been confirmed town since Fuba flipped 
What are your other thoughts? What do you think of Mig, Asinine?
Thoughts?
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Oats was ready to give up Asanine though. I haven't re-looked his filter yet but I'm just not completely convinced the way he defended fuba is more indicative of a mafia player defending his teammate or a town player with a mafia read on hz seeing a last minute bandwagon pop up from nowhere on a lurker. I also don't like the argument that he's not thinking so he's scum for saying he wanted to lynch stutters after fuba flipped.
My gut right now is that the last 2 mafia are in that poofter/bereft/hopeless group so it's possible that is the reason why there was no mafia resistance to the lynch.
Oats/fuba were not there at deadline. Bereft was also not there. Obviously hopeless just replaced in. Poofter is a new player and it makes sense for a newbie to do what poofter did if all of his teammates are missing and there is suddenly a lot of traction for a mafia lynch.
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Of course he's willing to give up Asinine. Assuming Asinine is mafia, then they're not going to hard buddy someone. If Asinine was mafia, I would hard bus him hardcore and play it from there.
So the question becomes is Asinine mafia and I think he's suspicious enough to warrant a lynch, more then the targets you have at the moment.
His reasons were really weak for defending him. And then when it became obvious he just switched entirely
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Please look into Mig some more.
Look @ how Mig avoids actually saying anything while still trying to keep me as possible scum in peoples minds here:On November 01 2013 09:28 Mig wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 09:18 Grackaroni wrote:
Scum are careful and more concerned about looking good. They pretty much never say, "Hey, I'm going to lynch this guy because other people are lynching him" I don't agree with this when talking about new scum players. It is pretty normal for a new scum player to jump on an easy bandwagon and use that as their reasoning. That being said new townies do the same thing and I am more leaning new townie on JJ. Grack what do you think about hzflank? ?
So he thinks that my whole bandwagon vote could be a noob scum move. But it could also be noob town. But for some reason he's leaning town on me. Well why is he leaning town on me? Because he just said the bandwagon vote thing was null. You'd think he's say "I'm leaning scum on JJD because...."
So I thought @ first, well maybe he was liking the fact that I was going after hzflank since that was his main scumread throughout all of day 1. But I reread and Mig made this post AFTER I backed off of HZ.
I would think that if he really suspected HZ then the fact that I pressured him a bunch and then 180ed my opinion would likely make him MORE suspicious of me. Not less.
Like I really can't figure out why he would have had a town read on me @ that point.
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I'm not sold on Mig at all. Just looks like he's scum hunting. I wasn't sold on hz post of fluff between himself and Fuba convincing in the first place. Only that Fuba looked worse. Fuba flipping scum helped his case because I don't see why scum buddies would of fought so early.
It's a lot of the reason I'm leaning more townie on Grack now too.
The biggest issue I had with him was the fight between him and Oats dominating the thread.
Oats flipped scum makes me believe he would have little reason to fight for 3 pages and make himself look bad with his own scum buddy. Which is why I was only on the fence about either of them.
Still don't like Asinine, I haven't really gone through his filter yet. At least he stuck around and chatted about a few other reads but I need to go read filters and see. I'm kind of tied up reading through my other game atm, so it will probably be much later tonight or maby tomorrow since it's already 1:20 in the morning for me.
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On November 03 2013 14:06 Pandain wrote:
Of course he's willing to give up Asinine. Assuming Asinine is mafia, then they're not going to hard buddy someone. If Asinine was mafia, I would hard bus him hardcore and play it from there.
So the question becomes is Asinine mafia and I think he's suspicious enough to warrant a lynch, more then the targets you have at the moment.
His reasons were really weak for defending him. And then when it became obvious he just switched entirely
He didn't exactly switch entirely. He was never townie on fuba and even said he would vote him over odin. he just didn't think there was as good of a case on him as there was on hzflank and was wary of a last minute bandwagon. I don't think it's a ridiculous switch in mindset.
If you are really confident that Asinine has to be mafia then I will trust your judgement.
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I trust your judgement too and I'm not certain just think he's the best case
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