"##" Mafia

On October 20 2013 15:21 Seuss wrote:
/in

I'm just here to lynch Wave.

On October 21 2013 08:19 Promethelax wrote:
Get over it WoS, one smurf in a mini is nothing. And smurfs mean nothing, if you can't read a smurf you can't play the game. Meta is only a single tool and we rely too heavily on it anyway.

Suck it up boy! Smurfs build character.

On October 21 2013 08:27 marvellosity wrote:
"repore"? rofl

On October 22 2013 04:19 Clarity_nl wrote:


I mean... you can. But if he talks like a newbie walks like a newbie and quacks like a newbie, lynching him for being a newbie is probably sub-optimal. Unless ofcourse, you can show that he's faking it (shouldn't be so hard) or he's being newbie-scummy.

Just ignoring how experienced someone is will lead to bad conclusions

On October 22 2013 05:04 Seuss wrote:
EBWOP: FAIL

Are you using a particular Mafia setup (e.g. C9++) or can we expect Drunk Mason Paranoid Gun Owner Day Vigilante Lovers with Bulletproof?

On October 22 2013 12:48 Blazinghand wrote:
Unexpect the expected.

On October 24 2013 07:08 marvellosity wrote:
I never assume competence

On October 28 2013 08:30 Koshi wrote:
Pandain has a point on rayn though. He uses his power and then instantly goes "w00ps, shouldn't have done that"

I don't like it.

On October 28 2013 14:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lol WoS, prome explained what we needed to do to power him because I asked.

On October 28 2013 14:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
He said people that power other people up without caring whether they are scum or town should be policy lynched. Not the people that COULD be powered up.

On October 28 2013 14:16 Promethelax wrote:
Oats there is no case.

WoS had two points,
1) the powering thing, already addressed.
2) meta on him but not pandain, I've played with WoS before but not pandain.

Oh look, entire case refuted.

On October 28 2013 14:22 WaveofShadow wrote:

Yeah, no Prome.
First, the section Oats outlined.
Second, I know how you play. You fucking meta the absolute fuck out of everybody in most games. Why are you halting at Pandain now? You say I 'liked' town? When I had played with you last that was all I had played. Period. If anything I remember bitching about still not having rolled scum yet.

Third, the policy lynch discussion---who did you have in mind in your first post when you discussed people randomly powering people up without reasoning?

On October 28 2013 14:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
Man all the time this happens to me, I jump on a townie being scummy to me and scum jumps right on after.
Not that Prome is town and WoS is scum, just that WoS is way more likely to be scum if Prome is town.

On October 28 2013 14:27 Promethelax wrote:


Because I have never played with pandain before p, I cannot use meta when there is no meta. Are you fucking dumb?
It was originally addressed to Rayn and koshi. I find Rayn town and koshi scum.

On October 28 2013 14:35 Promethelax wrote:


Because oats keeps niggling at them, like he cares, like town. So I talk to him. The fact that you are being dumb bothers me, I didn't think you were dumb. So now I have to figure out if scum or dumb, which sucks,

Sorry I'm being hostile, it's been a long day I had to hang out with my future mother-in-law and it was stressful. I'm going to grab a beer and tone it down a little. Seriously though, thinking I'd want to meta pandain when I haven't played with him or (maybe this wasn't clear and its why you are confused) read a game with him in it in real time is really silly. I love meta, dont get me wrong but I can't meta people with whom I have no history. Also I hosted your first scum game. You were a nervous wreck.

On October 28 2013 14:48 Pandain wrote:

What?

I posted it to avoid suspicion or what he would probably inevitably do and make a dumb argument about how it was a scum slip and this was therefore my fourth mafia game.

Also I have to own up to my signs eventually

On October 28 2013 14:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Pandain why are you saying you look bad yourself?
If you are town you are supposed to be right and your posting now does not imply you yourself think you are right..

##Vote: Pandain

On October 28 2013 22:42 marvellosity wrote:

Yuck.

On October 28 2013 22:45 marvellosity wrote:
Depends how long you have Wave. Basically it would take me a little time to gather the shit that I think makes Prome probably town, and I'd want to know why you disagreed.

If you're going to be here for an hour, I'll go start digging, otherwise it can wait.

On October 28 2013 22:47 Clarity_nl wrote:
So, it's cool that you both thought yuck at the same time apparently, but then don't just ignore me and talk to eachother, explain.

On October 28 2013 23:01 Promethelax wrote:
marv, that is kind of a subtle read. Not super subtle but like not a read I'd expect a newer player to have.
As soon as I typed this I realized WoS isn't actually all that new anymore, carry on.

Clarity. Explain what oats is doing here that is out of character for him. Unless he started making sense and not doing stupid shit/changing his mind all the time this is totally in line with his meta AND that meta applies to both alignments so even if he wasn't doing that (which he is) it wouldn't be alignment indicative. I'd get you the venn diagram but I think you get my point.

On October 28 2013 23:04 Clarity_nl wrote:


I've never seen an Oats scum game I'll be honest.
Yes, Oats is all over the place, but when he's talking about one thing he doesn't ignore stuff relevant to what he's talking about e.g. WoS's case on you.

On October 28 2013 14:11 Oatsmaster wrote:

Go address case please Prome.

On October 28 2013 14:18 Oatsmaster wrote:

Go prome!.

On October 28 2013 23:16 Clarity_nl wrote:
I'm talking about his initial response to it. Obviously (in the hypothetical that oats is scum) he figures out "oh yeah I expressed interest in Prome"
Did his initial response to your case not strike you as odd?

On October 28 2013 23:15 marvellosity wrote:

I think it's kinda easy to make a case against Prome, and Prome will verify that I often find his opening post or two really really scummy (I PM him about it in shock, or comment on it if I'm in a game). I just think the attitude/mindset trumps it.

Btw, I understand what you're doing with your analogy with Pandain, but it's different. Pandain basically calls himself obviously town, but doesn't really display the supporting stuff like Prome has, in my opinion. One interesting thing to note is that I formed my opinion on Prome in a ten-page catch up on the thread this morning, so I got to take the "wider" view, as it were.

On Seuss, I'll take your read under advisement. I still hate how he went about his criticisms, but his subsequent responses at least feel earnest. I'll judge him on the rest of his play.

On October 28 2013 08:34 WaveofShadow wrote:

That's not what Pandain said was scummy.
He said Rayn's instant use of his power was scummy. Why is that, exactly?
There is not very much to go on at all and he says things like Rayn calling out weird logic without immediately pursuing him is scummy in the first hour of the game.

Overall his posting reeks of someone trying too hard right now. I've done this before as mafia, for the record---it's really easy to fabricate some easy shit, and then make an excuse for yourself to fuck off for a while by complaining that there's 'nothing else to talk about,' or 'no one to talk to,' in the hopes that people will assume his early and active contributions are town-aligned and forget about him.

On October 28 2013 23:27 marvellosity wrote:
Most of the case on Pandain seems to come down to him playing bad or weird. But I don't know what that means. Someone said to me after I died about Pandain flipped mafia in Hogwarts - "I should have known, he was posting too sensibly". So, yeah.

On October 29 2013 01:51 marvellosity wrote:

I was kinda fishing for something like this, good man :p I have this little theory in my head, that Clarity made a case on you because we had this conversation in Heavyweight about how only townies attack Oats, and mafia never do.

On October 29 2013 02:16 marvellosity wrote:

Haha, this is funny.

Don't think it says anything at all for Koshi's alignment, but I found it and it tickled me, so I thought I'd share.

On October 29 2013 02:47 marvellosity wrote:
Well, I was/am finding Koshi somewhat scummy, so I thought I'd browse his most recent scumgame. And voila ^_^

For your Prome question, I'm kinda inclined to think he was just being bad. Like meh, seems a dumb thing to push if you're mafia, because it's so easy to pick holes in (witness what happened)

On October 29 2013 02:57 marvellosity wrote:

So what's the point? This is kinda nitpicky and I don't get where you're going with it. So he says it, it's dumb, you prove him wrong. I'm struggling to make that lean one way or another.

On October 29 2013 08:22 Pandain wrote:
The only problem with the post is it effectively said nothing except town reads( which can easily change).

The points are good but the timing is weird to me because I don't know what it did

On October 29 2013 09:00 marvellosity wrote:

I'm sorry, I'm trying not to comment on too many inconsequential things, but this is ludicrous. If someone is capable of smurfing, then someone is capable of looking at the top left to see who they're signed in as rather than having to post "test". This is spectacularly dumb, Wave.

On October 28 2013 22:57 marvellosity wrote:
Wave - The long and short of it is this, Wave - I think Prome is being too much of an arrogant ass to be mafia. Now, as you know, usually I have large reserves of faith in my powers (I can be arrogant ;p) but Prome is taking it to another level. So:


It takes remarkable confidence imo to propose creating a town circle with you at the head of it. I'm relating this back to me, but as mafia even I struggle to propose/say these sorts of things.


Again with the ridiculous self-confidence. As if whatever his read is definitely makes him town, which it almost certainly doesn't. Townies rather than mafia tend to think "this SO makes me town" even when it doesn't. Toad is a prime example of this (say LIX, where his mason claim "confirmed" him town when it did no such thing). It's a double whammy because he also thinks that someone else with a power explaining it to him will make him town. All of this seems hard to fake as mafia.


I think this post is pretty bad, and his subsequent reasoning for it isn't fantastic either (it's a little superficial in my opinion). But again, I see it as town bad. See again how it's like he's framing it that OTHER townies can show their alignment to HIM by working out what he's talking about. Again, hard to fake as mafia.

These are the prime examples, but generally his filter reads as him being way too arrogant, assuming the townleader position, seeing things and quizzing others to see if they see the same as him ----> they are town.

I think that's all quite impressive if he's mafia.

On October 29 2013 09:03 marvellosity wrote:

Are people not looking at who they're signed in as. If you're thinking enough to post "test" then you're thinking enough to look at who you're signed in as.

On October 29 2013 09:11 OOHCHILD wrote:
I posted "test" to determine the timezone of the time stamp that accompanies each post.

On October 29 2013 09:12 marvellosity wrote:

I literally could not have said anymore, and I think it's pretty dodgy you're saying this. Stop being bad please, it's giving me scumvibes.

On October 29 2013 09:13 marvellosity wrote:

You, yourself, said "yuck" to Clarity's post, and since then, he just went to play dota and disappeared? Why aren't *you* convinced given what you've posted, or at least convinced enough to vote him over OOCHILD? That's really weak, WoS.

On October 29 2013 09:22 marvellosity wrote:

And yet you're convinced enough that OOCHILD would make himself blatantly voteable by doing absolutely nothing and posting shit? That's more convincing to you? Ok Wave.

On October 29 2013 10:07 marvellosity wrote:
As long as we're clear, Seuss, that you're policy lynching and not actually aiming for mafia.

On October 29 2013 10:11 marvellosity wrote:
No, your questions are all either dumb or readily answered by reading the thread.

Tbh OOHCHILD isn't a terrible lynch and my vote would probably have gravitated there if I didn't find everything Clarity has done so terrible. I just get annoyed that people won't do what I want and then I argue in a really binary fashion. Meh.

On October 30 2013 01:38 Promethelax wrote:
Wave, respond to my case

On October 30 2013 01:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
WoS, I dont see the point of you using your power.
Explain.

On October 30 2013 01:43 marvellosity wrote:
Sorry, dickmove analysis re: me, my reading fail. You don't think I'd use it as mafia, with you in the game and aware I'd not be using it though?? Seuss explanation would be nice.

On October 30 2013 01:43 strongandbig wrote:
here's the thing i notice about wos's filter. there's a lot of talking about other people talking about himself.

+ Show Spoiler +
generally i don't like this, not one bit. it's like, scum are much more likely to do that kind of thing than town, because they care much more about deflecting small amounts of suspicion from them. note that none of these early things that wos is responding to amount to any serious pressure, any serious chance of him getting lynched, but he still attacks the people who attack him.

Prome, as for your case -
(1) his soft claim - well, i guess it's getting towards 'later in the day' when he said he would use his post. but if we're talking about claims i think sent's is way worse than his.
(2) not being here post - meh. i've done that as town, no reason why someone else cant.
(3) 9 minutes. a little suspicious? but i could easily see him having gotten three or four of your filters from the database, scrolled through looking for big cases, and coming up empty in that amount of time. also if he actually knew it was bs, why say that as scum?
(4) the 3p thing. yeah it's weird. is it scummy? Only if scum know there's a third party in the game that town doesn't know about, and we have no evidence that that's the case.

i actually like rayn's case a lot better than yours, it's similar to the argument i made above about wave being self-focused, plus rayn's pretty right that town wave just has more backbone than in this game.

overall i think wave is probably a good lynch choice today but i don't really agree with your case's reasoning for that.

On October 30 2013 01:48 marvellosity wrote:

I literally do not want you to answer rayn or Prome's case, I want you to push who you think is the best lynch.

That's the most important thing. You can defend cases if you have time AFTER you've pushed whatever you think the right lynch is.

On October 30 2013 02:03 marvellosity wrote:
Wave, I don't want a list of small random things, I want your best effort at finding who you want to lynch. I want to have something to pin to you.

On October 30 2013 02:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
Fuck it, lynching WoS and sleeping.

A thing to note is that the last time I saw Wave(town) this close to dying, he busted out the big guns and was able to not get lynched. Not even close to that now.

On October 30 2013 02:14 marvellosity wrote:
Wave, is there anything more to your role?

On October 30 2013 02:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS is your +1 vote permanent?

On October 30 2013 02:19 Promethelax wrote:
Oh the classic permanent means temporary excuse.

On October 30 2013 02:20 marvellosity wrote:

Your vote is on yourself, if it stays there I'm lynching you.

On October 30 2013 02:21 Promethelax wrote:


or its a joke. And no, this is godawful play from you. Your vote is on yourself. You don't have a leg to stand on.

On October 30 2013 02:23 marvellosity wrote:

I don't give a fuck for your god-damn irl excuses.

There is no excuse for a townie to self-vote, they should always vote for whoever they think is mafia, because voting for yourself cannot possibly help the town if you are town.

Stop it.

Btw, it's not a policy lynch. The only reason for anyone ever to vote for themselves is as a play to not get themselves lynched. You work out the rest.

On October 30 2013 02:24 marvellosity wrote:
Why are so many players playing absolutely disgracefully this game?

On October 30 2013 05:22 marvellosity wrote:
Screw Clarity, seriously. I am so angry at him.

btw Wave, there is no rule against lynching people who aren't in the thread and aren't active.

Anyway, gonna have dinner then I'll be back for 20 mins before lynch or whatever in case Wave is awesome or something.

On October 30 2013 05:23 Koshi wrote:
btw WoS. Reads on Pandain and SnB? I think we are pretty indecisive about those 2.

Why do you think Oats and VA are scum... I like those 2 tbh.

On October 30 2013 05:32 Seuss wrote:


I thought it was possible but as I had zero information about what he did and it had been completely ignored, I filed it away and moved on.

For that matter, why didn't you or anyone else comment on it?

On October 30 2013 03:45 strongandbig wrote:
@marv devils advocate - what if wave didnt want to lynch Seuss bc he has warm fuzzy feelings from coaching his noob game

On October 30 2013 05:39 marvellosity wrote:

I dunno about s&b. This post is pretty bad because Sentinel has talked about his power so many times, I don't see the point in bringing it up again.

Then again it looks like s&b actually made genuine effort to go and look at Pandain's games earlier when he talked about his big posts

On October 30 2013 05:41 strongandbig wrote:


im not defending you
the attitude that if i agree with someone's conclusions i have to agree with all of their logic is one of the many silly tropes in mafia

also i guess i didnt vote yet

##vote: waveofshadow

On October 30 2013 05:44 marvellosity wrote:
Given I mentioned earlier that all I do lately is kill blues on Day 1 (even when I'm playing well!) I find it both funny and extremely tragic I have so many votes to play with. Arg.

On October 30 2013 05:46 Koshi wrote:

Give your 3 gut read scums. For endgame cred.

On October 30 2013 05:49 marvellosity wrote:
Can we actually kill Clarity? I know he might not be mafia, he might be, and i'm just not happy with any of what we've got right now.

On October 29 2013 23:44 Clarity_nl wrote:


Prome no offense but right now I couldn't care less what you think of me as a person. I could just have afk'd and gotten modkilled instead. But I'm here and I'm being sincere and me being sincere right now is me saying fuck you all and lynching me is bad.

If you think I'm sincere then get over your holier than thou bullshit and lynch someone else. If you think I'm doing this crap as scum then you clearly do not know me.

On October 30 2013 08:55 Seuss wrote:
Wave, did you not get a nuke?

On October 30 2013 09:14 Seuss wrote:


The argument for them being fake is, "This will be the dumbest game of mafia ever." For all intents and purposes the game could basically be over after N1.

The argument for them being real is, "This is twitter mafia with some pretty ridiculous powers and who would have guessed the town would be dumb enough to thoughtlessly countdown an unknown power from an unverified source day 1?"

On October 30 2013 02:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
Oh what lol.

Ok so now Im struggling with the 180 for suess, I have no idea why WoS suddenly decided that Seuss is scum and I would really like to know.

On October 30 2013 01:36 OOHCHILD wrote:
Popping in to say I hate the WoS lynch. It feels like the only reason why are lynching him is because he isn't here.

I'm letting Pandain go.
Im letting Marv go (don't see what is so town about him though)

I would lynch Seuss, HotCottonCandy, or Sentinel.

On October 30 2013 02:32 OOHCHILD wrote:
Seuss over WoS please.

All else being equal, you lynch the weaker player so that you can benefit from the insight of the better player.
In this case Seuss is the weaker player.

I read Seuss' analysis he posted in some quick chat about some random game. He is not thinking nearly as deep in this game as he was thinking in that analysis.

WoS voting for himself. You may not like it but it's honest. He is honest about not knowing who to lynch and that leans town.

On October 30 2013 02:39 OOHCHILD wrote:

This is actually a very good point. Changing my vote to WoS.

On October 30 2013 09:36 OOHCHILD wrote:
Why did I nuke you? Because you should have been lynched.

Why did I sheep a lot? I didn't really sheep I just changed my mind. I don't believe all of the vote changers can be town. Wouldn't that be OP?
Like I said I wasn't doing analysis so I couldn't really get a good read on anyone.

On October 30 2013 09:55 OOHCHILD wrote:
I can't believe the person who voted for himself is taking the high horse.

On October 30 2013 00:29 HotCottonCandy wrote:


Yea I brought this up earlier in the game and is part of the reason I have been pushing sentinel. Gaming the set-up in small games like this is actually extremely powerful even if others find it lame. I highly doubt town just has 5 charging powers running around in thread in a 13 man game. Sentinel looks by far the worst on this list. Could be Koshi but his recent posting is way better, so I still feel really good about a sentinel lynch today.


As far as clarity and OOHChild go

This OOHChild fellow seems to be doing bad things to all my strongest townreads (I doubt shun is something good) and is kinda just refusing to find scum besides making a weak case on marv(lol why?) That is the only thing that makes me believe he could possibly be town. If he's a smurf and making a case on marv day 1 to save himself then he is town. If he's just a new player then could go either way. this is where it helps to know these things.

Since I blew my cover ill say this about clarity: Martyring is my least favorite thing in mafia, With that said,



He has done one thing offensively this game and it consisted of attacking oats. To forget about the only thing you have done in this entire game I have to imagine he is being genuine.

So i ask people to switch back to sentinel or I will be voting for OOHChild as my second choice.

On October 30 2013 10:10 HotCottonCandy wrote:
So the real predicament here is do I double-stack OOHCHILD with another nuke or nuke SnB =/ not sure.

On October 30 2013 10:11 OOHCHILD wrote:
Nuke away. I was reading filters but now I'll be back if I survive the night. Yes this is your punishment for considering nuking me more.

On October 30 2013 10:16 OOHCHILD wrote:
Oh WoS I actually think you are town now. Still glad I nuked you. Also I took away your twitter powers tomorrow as an extra f u.

On October 30 2013 12:04 Pandain wrote:


It was my working assumption, but Marv convinced me that not all nukes are real because that would be real bad play by the hosts.

Even if they are all real, I wouldn't be comfortable nuking anyone else.

I heavily encourage you and everyone to nuke Snb

On October 30 2013 09:41 Pandain wrote:
It's extremely unlikely all nukes are fake, although I guess some might be, though I don't think so because there's a time limit on using the nukes, and we only have the next 12 hours to use them.

Even if some are fake, what would be more retarded then having everyone have nukes is having no one have a real nuke and thus making Sentinels role completely useless.

On October 30 2013 09:45 Pandain wrote:
Maybe you guys simply don't care but I believe even 1-2 nukes means we should treat all of them as real

On October 30 2013 23:20 OOHCHILD wrote:
if you gonna try to meta me WoS you have to guess who i am. that will help

On October 30 2013 23:39 strongandbig wrote:
Okay so questions then. WoS why did you nuke me? Go through my filter and say why I'm scum plz

On October 30 2013 23:42 Promethelax wrote:
yes sorry, I saw that post and it was a good point about reasons to defend clarity. I couldn't argue with it. I didn't vote for clarity because I didn't think he would flip scum. The thing is kush did not defend clarity on that. He defended clarity on random bull shit which had nothing to do with anything that had actually happened in thread.

WoS, why did you ask about VA, what are your thoughts on him?

On October 31 2013 01:12 Seuss wrote:


Ask and you shall receive.

First and foremost I don't care who kush is or if OOHCHILD is kush, his play has been nothing short of scum-city. While he's had the odd good point here or there, he's been extremely disruptive, unhelpful, distracting, and more.

His nuke on Wave also makes zero sense. This was OOHCHILD before the lynch yesterday:



The last we heard from him Day 1 he'd rather lynch Sentinel or HotCottonCandy over WaveofShadow. Fast-forward to nuke-city and the first thing he does is nuke WaveofShadow. Not a word as to why, just FIRE ZE MISSILES!

Now I'm willing to give him a pass on Sentinel because nuke-city changed things on that front. However, we have no explanation for why HotCottonCandy wasn't considered. Outside of the Clarity flip nothing had really changed there, and as of yet we haven't received a good explanation (calling it an "impulsive move" is up there with the "bored of mafia" defense he gave for Clarity).

Looking over HotCottonCandy's history there's nothing that stands out connecting or disconnecting him from OOHCHILD. At one point he suggested voting for OOHCHILD when the choice seemed to be Clarity or OOHCHILD, but outside of that HotCottonCandy has only mentioned him in passing. I don't feel confident reading much into their interactions or lack thereof, but I will analyze HotCottonCandy.


I'll forgive HotCottonCandy for waffling back and forth with his opinion on me during the pre-lynch insanity; I was under a lot of scrutiny at the time and there was a lot going on. However, I haven't liked his approach to the whole nuke situation:



On the one hand he's correct that you can read a lot into a person's thoughts and motivations based on their nuke choice. However, a town's greatest strength is its community, and telling everyone to follow their bliss is a great recipe for chaos, confusion, and counter-productivity.

Case in point, if everyone hadn't been so trigger happy we could, as has been suggested several times, effectively had a lightning-lynch round. Instead we currently have chaos because OOHCHILD, Koshi, Oatsmaster and others had to push the red button.

HotCottonCandy also acted extremely surprised when strongandbig nuked him after he'd been actively and vocally contemplating nuking strongandbig. It's pretty obvious from how strongandbig went about the actual nuking that he was being vindictive. I think it's a stretch at this point to think it was anything more than that, as strongandbig's play post-lynch hasn't shown him capable of that kind of duplicity and forethought.


So right now I've got a strong scum read on OOHCHILD, and I'm suspicious of HotCottonCandy.


A quick thought on Oatsmaster's confusing Koshi nuke. Even if you assume Koshi's question is scummy, we had hours that could have been spent grilling Koshi on that before we needed to fire nukes at him. Oatsmaster's play there is in keeping with the grand traditions routine irresponsibility of this game (hashtag first, ask questions later), and I'm reevaluating him accordingly.

On October 31 2013 01:50 strongandbig wrote:

I do

Why am I scum

No one has made a case I can respond to

Also I'm not

Also I'm probably dying at the end of night anyway

On October 31 2013 01:55 marvellosity wrote:

Please don't tell me what's good and bad, I was doing it in association with Prome's own read on OOHCHILD, and it didn't tain my own read. I don't need teaching how to play the game.

On October 30 2013 05:46 strongandbig wrote:

which of these things are not also things a townie without much time would do? i guess the thread atmosphere thing, but how am i hurting thread atmosphere?


dude you were on my team, you KNOW that wasn't a genuine effort because I knew palmar was scum because he was ON A TEAM WITH THE TWO OF US
also did even that case didn't involve any actual research into palmar's past games

also i forgot that sentinel claimed he doesn't know what his power does. but why is saying that scum motivated.

last thing, why would i have attempted to change the lynch when i like it

On October 30 2013 23:19 strongandbig wrote:

Well, I'm actually kind of unsure now about wos. Once pandain made my vote not matter I didn't have to decide whether I believed the turnaround. So like, I would be happy if he flipped but I'm not sure I want to flip him.

I think I'd go with ooh child and vayne.

Sent I'm struggling with because I feel like the way he played is antitown but I can't see his power going to mafia unless they're all fake. So if they turn out to be all fake nukes at the day post then sentinel.

Actially nm I think I still would put wos on the list above sentinel. I just get really bad feelings about how self-focused he was early in day 1 on people who attacked him despite the pressure being largely superficial.

On October 31 2013 02:15 marvellosity wrote:
Wave - why didn't you ##Twerk me??

On October 31 2013 02:26 strongandbig wrote:


1. Like I said, once I decided I didn't want to kill pandain, I decided that you were a good choice to lynch and better than the other options people were voting for (if there were any, I don't remember). I'm pretty sure I posted something about that where i said i disagreed with promethelax's case but i still thought you were scum. and my filter is pretty short, you must've read that right?

2. "Trying to find a way to justify" vs "explaining my reasons for". If I was scum and wanted to yolo lynch someone, I would've made up reasons for nuking rayn or Marv or someone good instead of vayne right? Or I would have just kept my nuke, but I see no scenario in which nuking vayne isn't worth my life as scum. Especially when I can be pretty sure a revenge nuke is coming (since this is VA we're talking about). Instead, suppose I'm a townie, I've decided to use my nuke before going to sleep, I look around at the players who haven't been nuked yet, and I choose vayne. How does my post in this scenario differ from what I actually posted? (Protip: it doesn't)

Also I strongly disagree that other players who had not yet been nuked had done all the things I talked about vayne doing. He was definitely more hypocritical and more suspect than the other people who were still alive and unnuked.

3. The only reason I was unsure was that Marv and prome seemed persuaded by your outpouring of emotion and rage. I think they're both good players so the fact that they appeared to think you were genuine made me hesitant.

4. I don't care who you are scum with. I don't look at potential teams until someone flips. I look for the people most likely to be scum and try to make all of them die.

On October 31 2013 02:39 marvellosity wrote:

That's kind of the point. In case they're telling porkies, it stops them from doing any shenannies. Also why I said "safe" if you genuinely didn't know who to do it to and are worried about removing potentially useful town powers.

On October 31 2013 02:41 strongandbig wrote:

So why did you nuke me wave?

On October 31 2013 02:47 marvellosity wrote:

See, I think you should be better than how you used your nuke. Sigh.

On October 31 2013 02:53 marvellosity wrote:
You know very well I can't doublestack anything right now.

On October 31 2013 03:00 marvellosity wrote:
I'm still stuck on rayn abandoning WoS to lynch Clarity. It's so unlike townrayn not to be all guns blazing for that lynch.

rayn doesn't mind shouting at me repeatedly if he thinks I should be lynching his target.

On October 31 2013 03:03 strongandbig wrote:

Idk, I assumed he was talking about your lynch. The post of his is quoted in my post that you quoted.

On October 31 2013 03:38 marvellosity wrote:

yeah, koshi said you would be mad that i wanted to lynch clarity over WoS and you were totally fine about it.

that's me listening to koshi.

On October 31 2013 03:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
VA - your read on kush(?) assumes that he wouldn't be aggressive like that and risk being shot in the face. If he is kush i highly doubt he'd put much thought into 'oh shit it's closed setup there could be vigis abound and I will die.'

Rayn - Your reasoning on me isn't amazing because the only reason I got back an hour before deadline is because my lab ended early. No other reason than that---if it hadn't then I would have been dead and flipped blue. It nothing to do with my attitude.

On October 31 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:

You actually made posts that made sense. How the fuck is that not a reason to not lynch you?
It's irrelevant why you got back. Are you saying i am scum because your posts were bad and i should have lynched you? What the fuck is that kinda logic?

Because Wave got back before the deadline and didn't roll over and die and made good posts. Clarity fucked off when people said he is town.

On October 31 2013 03:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:

First time you martyred. Second time you actually gave us something. Yes, if you didn't come back the second time i would have lynched you.

On October 31 2013 03:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:

You didn't say anything uselful. Then you voted for yourself. When people called you out of it you rng'd SnB. Then you said you're off. That's what i saw.

On October 31 2013 04:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why the fuck are you doing this guys? Can we find scum instead?
WoS and Clarity were useless martyrs when i left. WoS came back and made better posts and actually wanted to play this game, Clarity didn't but skated by his "dick move town analysis" reads. When i came back i noticed this. If it's scummy from me sue me. But it's useless to talk about this because that's what i did and why i did it.

On October 31 2013 04:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
notice the double disagreement. that's how wrong you are.

On October 31 2013 04:28 OOHCHILD wrote:
WoS strikes me as someone who is pretty careful and calculating and his nuke just looked so fucking weird.
He couldn't stfu about how bad it was to use nukes, then he used one...

Rayne is sitting in the thread jumping on the easiest shit possible. Very very very very very unlike his townplay this game. What happened to your spam Rayne?

HotCottonCandy looks like a shit sundae.

im out until i finish this exam later tongiht.

On October 31 2013 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Was kush hydraing there?
My best experience with hydras is when i asked geript if he thinks WoS is scum in Bluelightz game when they were hydraing. :D

On October 31 2013 05:00 OOHCHILD wrote:
okay WoS i may have confused you with pandain. easy mistake to make i suppose because you are both scummy as hell

On November 12 2013 04:33 VayneAuthority wrote:


you have also never seen my scumteam get crushed haha

One of the greatest skills to learn when playing mafia is to know ahead of time when a partner can't be saved and plan ahead for it, mafia is a bit like chess in that way.

This was my first mafia game where I didn't really try to dictate the team at all and it showed. I should have never let the marv shot go through night one but I just wasn't invested enough, too busy.